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that's all for us tonight. tomorrow night, billy ray cyrus. "ac 360 later" starts right now. good evening, everyone. an exclusive took at the devastating flooding. swallowing bridges and houses. the rebuilding will take years. also ahead tonight, a 24-year-old man, bruised and bleeding tries to get help after his car crashes in the middle of the night. instead of help, he's shot dead by a police officer. did race play a role? we begin with chilling new details about the gun the shooter used in monday's massacre at the navy yard in washington. the killer etched or carved two phrases into the shot gun. one saying, quote, my elf weapon. the other saying, quote, better off this way. investigators don't know what
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those cryptic messages refer to. could they offer any insight into the killer's motive? john sciutto will have more on that ahead. before we spend too much time on the shooter, we're going to hear from a survivor. a building where the damage is so extensive it may not open in weeks. . one official told cnn's barbara starr that there is blood everywhere. one man knows it's sheer luck he's alive when so many of his friends have died. john weaver knew six of them personally. he joins me now. can you walk with us through what happened? you were at your desk. you heard a commotion, a loud noise in the atrium, right? >> i sat in a cube that is five cubes deep and eight square cubes and i'm the fourth one back. the cube behind me is the cube next to the atrium, okay? what happens was this.
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somebody was rolling a large cart through the atrium which normally occurs many times. i remarked to one of my coworkers that it sounded like somebody was skateboarding on the ceiling. she made a chuckle and a really loud bang occurred. i thought to myself, they dropped another safe, because they had done that before and it sounded similar to that. two seconds later, there was another really loud bang. that's when i realized that somebody was in the building shooting people. >> so you knew after that second shot that that is what it was? saerkt. >> exactly. i knew that there shouldn't be two bangs that loud close together. and the second one was a shot. >> and then what happened? >> i stupidly pop my head up and saw him reach over into my cube row and diagonally shoot across the row to where one of my friends was sitting. i could not see her because it's
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diagonal to me, caddie corner. and he aimed and shot directly at her. and i popped my head back down and then went under my desk. there's a cabinet with two drawers and i pulled that towards me and hid under the desk. so if he walked down the row, he would have just seen the desk. >> so he was actually aiming at one of your coworkers? >> oh, no, the reason he did not see me is because he was so intent on shooting her. i spoke with her this morning. she told me the reason that was was she was lookin him dead in the eye when he shot her. >> this co-worker was released last night and she is doing okay? >> she's doing very well. we spoke with each other this morning and i was just so glad that she was alive and that nothing else happened to her and that she got out.
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and then, when he shot her, she told me the force of the blast was so strong, it drove her into the ground and now she has a black eye, and bits of her scalp are scattered all over her cubicle. >> oh, my gosh. >> it was that close to her being killed. her right finger is blown off almost completely at the tip. they are trying to save it. what she did was she went like that and it got her on this side of her head. so what happened was, he shot at her and then i ducked, hid, i heard him take another shot, that's when he shot mary knight. the reason i know, it was definitely two shots, the first one was frank. the second one was j.j. the third one was her, and then the fourth one was mary knight. because after she was shot, she turned around while she was
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curled up and watched him shoot her. i mean, i told her, she's the bravest, quickest and luckiest person on the face of the earth. >> all in all, how many shots did you hear this guy fire? >> after i went down, that was four shots. he walked away, farther west to me. two more shots and then he proceeded, i think through the corridor between the kitchenettes and proceeded over into the zero 4 xi spaces and shot people over there. i called d.c. 911 from my cellphone at that point. there must have been 20 to 30 shots during that time. it was unbelievable how many shots were going off. and the feeling of being so helpless that you could not help those people and you just had to stay in place. >> the point where you saw him, that's when he was using the shot gun? >> he had the shot gun the whole time when i was there.
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i never heard any other type of firearm except the shot gun. >> you know, i mean, you personally, you're friends with, you've lost a lot of friends? >> yeah, six people i personally knew in that building. i reported directly to mary knight every day about stuff. j.j. worked with me and submitted forms to me that i passed on to somebody else for approval. jerry reed, i saw him every day in the halls and worked with him but not in a direct fashion. sylvia frazier, i worked with directly every day. that's the person i'm most sad about. she was the nicest person in the world. i cannot believe that man killed her. i can't believe that. and pandit, i knew him too, but i hadn't worked with him. he was one of my users when i was assistant admin in their
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group. i've worked in this building for 13 years. and worked at the company for 16 years. so i know a bunch of people. i know who kathy is just by seeing her in the halls. >> i spoke to carriage gardy and her daughter jessica yesterday. obviously they are beyond devastated, to say the least. >> it's just something when it happened, it was like, you had to tell yourself that this was really happening, while it was going on. that's how just surreal it was. i mean, it was real, but it was surreal at the same time. >> yeah, i understand that. >> so what happened, when he started going away and i got off the phone with d.c. 911, the fire alarm went off. i'd say it was about five minutes after the shooting started. i pushed my desk out and i said run. when i ran around the corner, i
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saw mary knight dead laying on the ground basically and what i did, i kneeled over her and checked her by looking straight into her eye and to see if there was consciousness and there was none. i knew there was nothing i could do for her. so i just got up and i ran. i went down the stairs, i saw my friend standing there. i couldn't believe she was there. it was that shocking. i said to her, what happened? i didn't want to say, have you been shot? i just said, what happened? she goes, i've been shot. i looked at her and her finger was torn off. basically it was a really bad manicure. let's say that. and then the back of her head was scraped off. i looked at her and told her i've gotten a bigger scrape from playing hockey, so let's get out of here. so as i'm running down the stairs, i'm just yelling at all of these people. run for your lives! there's a guy shooting people. please leave. run! i went down the stairs.
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i got to the first floor. there was a bunch of people in the conference room and i yelled to them. everybody just started scattering. she ran over some woman who was just -- i mean people went into a complete panic at that point. and we basically ran out of the building over to the 197 parking garage. then i saw an officer there that i recognized. because i've seen these guys all the time. i said there's a guy up on the fourth floor, he's slaughtering people with a shot gun. you guys need to get up there with a lot of weapons. >> as you look back on this, there are obviously a lot of questions being asked. is there something you particularly want answers to? >> you know, i mean, really it's how that guy got a security clearance. you know, because if the system's supposed to work, that stuff should have been caught by the people doing his security clearance. you guys found that information
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readily available. that's the thing that i'm angry about the most. i don't blame the building security or anybody like that, because they don't expect this to happen. you know, he came in and he's a normal worker there. those guys carry backpacks everywhere they go. they have a lot of paperwork and computer accessories that they carry when they roll out the computers. >> so he wouldn't have raised any suspicions? >> oh, no. there's people carrying backpacks all the time in there. that doesn't raise a suspicion at all. and he badged right in with a valid i.d. i believe he badged in, went to the elevator, came up the elevator, went toward the bathroom that's across the east-west corridor divide from us. came out of that bathroom, started shooting everybody there and basically went in a clockwise fashion around the core of the building. came back to our area, i believe he went over to the east side.
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at that point, i had already vacated the premises, probably out of the building within seven minutes after everything started. >> i know beyond telling people what happened, you want to let people know about your friends and co-workers who lost their lives and what they were like and honor them. >> every one of those people who were killed were the nicest people that you could know. they were great co-workers and would never harm a fly. and they were responsible, great people, government workers and contractors. i just cannot believe they were subjected to that violent, hosh horrible death that they had. me, i got lucky. it was my birthday. i consider myself the luckiest one that day, and my friend was the first luckiest.
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but all those people, they did not deserve that death. it's horrible. that's all i have to say about that. >> thank you very much, john. >> no problem. i'm going to miss them all very much. >> john weaver is not the only one who wants to know how the navy yard killer got his security clearance to begin with and held on to it despite repeated run-ins with the police. alarming signs that his mind was, to say is least, troubled. as we reported last night, the navy gave him his initial security clearance when 2007 when he enlisted. at the time, the navy knew he had had been involved in a violent incident in seattle. but they issued the clearance anyway. john sciutto joins me live from washington. we'll get to the security questions in a minute. but first the breaking news about the sense of the shooting. what do we know here at the scene? >> we're learning now the building where the shooting took place may not be open for several weeks because of the damage inside. when you hear john weaver's account, you get a sense of what that might look like.
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the damage from first responders were breaking down doors, trying to get in there to get at the shooter, but more from the mayhem that aaron alexis unleashed there. there are descriptions that there is, quote, blood everywhere, damage, everywhere, a truly gruesome scene. testament to how violent an episode this was. >> the question that a lot of people are asking is how the system did not pick this guy up. today even the defense secretary acknowledged what he called a lot of red flags surrounding the shooter and the security clearance. can you piece together what we know? >> i was at the briefing today with secretary chuck hagel. you had many warning signs here, but no one was able to connect all of those dots. but when you look at them individually, it's amazing that no one was. for instance, we learned today he went to the rhode island police, told them this delusional story of being
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followed, being controlled by a microwave machine. the police reported it to the rhode island station. but they did not pass it on to washington station. he went to a v.a. hospital twice in the weeks leading up to the shooting. he also took medicine for ringing in his ears. that in addition to his two arrests he had in 2004 and 2008. also his departure from the navy because of a series of episodes of misconduct. when you look at all of those together, it's quite amazing that no one was able to piece at that and get at that. the fact that he still had a security clearance, valid for ten years, from 2007 when it was issued. >> i understand we heard from the shooter's mother today. what did she say? >> she had clearly been asked many times for an interview. this is kathleen alexis. she refused to, but she did want to make a statement.
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when you hear it, you hear a mother who is heart broken, but also taking on guilt from what her son did. let's listen to what she said. >> our son, aaron alexis has murdered 12 people and wounded several others. his actions have had a profound and ever-lasting effect on the families of the victims. i don't know why he did what he did. and i'll never be able to ask him why. aaron is now in a place where he can no longer do harm to anyone and, for that, i am glad. to the families of the victims, i am so, so very sorry that this has happened. my heart is broken. >> you hear one more person suffering from this. as the sun went down here, i heard a soldier playing "taps." a quiet sad moment around the navy yard and around washington tonight. >> john sciutto, appreciate it.
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federal officials say hundreds of miles of highway and 30 bridges are destroyed or impassable. police have to reroute traffic for fear of more injuries and deaths. fema says it will take years to rebuild at a cost of millions of dollars. then there are the structures. across these canyons, churches sit under water and homes on their sides. >> how forceful was this flood? it actuallly broke through the wall of this building. and this is the weight of the sludge that they're actually having to clean up. the water filled this business all the way up to our waist, and this is just one of 7,000 homes in businesses in just two counties damaged or destroyed. for four days, ann has been
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digging through the muck at her antique market. it never stops being hard. what is it like to see this place like this? >> it's devastating. sorry. to see it like this, it's just sometimes hopeless, but it's not really, but it is. >> it's incredible. >> so to add insult to injury, i understand it rained heavily where you were today? >> reporter: yeah, pretty hard. there are people outside at the time. and a woman ran by me with her hands in the air, saying, are you kidding me? the forecast was only 10 to 20% chance of rain, but it rained very hard for 30 minutes to an hour. the ground is so saturated. you can see what happens right away. one thing we learned, the amount of rain they've gotten this year is the most they've received in 120 years that led a forecaster here to call it biblical. >> appreciate the update.
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running until december. republicans also plan to insist on spending cuts. president obama denounced the move immediately. >> you have never seen, in the history of the united states, the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party, and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and have nothing to do with the debt. >> let's get the latest from chief congressional correspondent dana bash on capitol hill. explain this to me. during the summer it seems the house republican leadership did not want to this to happen. they didn't want to do this. what happened? >> reporter: what happened, they got a lot of pushback from the conservative grassroots. for five weeks, conservative groups were out there pounding away at conservative members saying, look. this is why we got you into office. this is what we want you to do. and this is the best leverage we
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have, meaning try to repeal obama care even if it means shutting down the government. this is something i asked the speaker about. he wasn't publicly against it, but we knew that privately he was against it. so i asked, what gives? >> i know it's not been easy to be the speaker over this caucus, but, at this point, have you just kind of lost control over the caucus? >> listen. we've got a lot of different opinions in caucus. the key to any leadership job is to listen. we listen to our colleagues over the course of the last week. we have a plan that we're happy with and we're going forward. >> the bottom line is that the speaker and his fellow leaders have trouble with the same group of about 40 or so people in their caucus that they've had lots of other issues these past two and a half years. the votes weren't there for them to keep the government running without including defunding obamacare. >> is all of this just for show?
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they know it's not going anywhere. so it's just about placating the more conservative members? >> the supporters say it's for principle. and that is why they are doing this. tonight we have seen a real divide in the republican party tonight. one of the big issues has been that house republicans who feel like, at least the leaders feel like they're walking the plank, they're angry at some of the chief supporters of this idea, namely, senator ted cruz and marco rubio, because they released a statement saying they don't have the votes in the senate. this suggests they're not going to try to filibuster, you're not even going to try. this is a quote. from a house leadership aide from fellow republicsaying sena cruz. wendy davis has more balls than ted cruz. she stood and filibustered for hours and hours on an issue there. >> quite an interesting use of language there. when is the house expected to
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vote on this? >> the house is expected to vote as soon as thursday, maybe friday, but definitely this week. because they do seem to have the votes there, the ball is going to be in the senate's court. then the question does become whether or not ted cruz and company can filibuster. i should say in ted cruz's defense, i spoke with an aide to him who said they haven't ruled out filibustering. they'll use whatever means they have, but all we do know, it's so uncertain. there's no end game. it's likely to go right down to the wire, september 30th at midnight when the government would shut down if they don't pass something to keep the government running. >> interesting. dana bash, appreciate it. up next. he was looking for help, he was killed by police. a tragic story. also tonight, incredible video of a man trying to escape an apartment fire by dangling from the fourth floor window. see how people stepped in to save his life.
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the president of charlotte's naacp, says the shooting of black hen. >> unarmed man and you shoot him? >> officer randal caric is out of jail now, free on $50,000 bond. the other two officers who were also at the scene are on paid administrative leave. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> we want to dig deeper on this now. mark geragos is joining us and
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sunny hostin and kevin flanagan join me. mark, what do you make of this case? >> well, i think it's an exception to the rule. generally when a cop shoots somebody, you don't see the prosecution or the cops file charges or arrest somebody. usually there's an investigation, then they make some decision as to whether or not it was excessive force or anything else. i think in this case, you've got a situation that clearly is based on race, as far as i can tell. and that's what's driving this. >> you're saying that because the man who was shot was african-american and the officer was white? >> i think there's a perception, if you see a large black male running at you and you're a white cop, i hate to drill it down that simple, that
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sometimes it's a different situation, if he had been of some other ethnicity. >> sunny, you say you don't know how this is a case of excessive force? >> i think that's right. excessive force is generally subjective. what was the cop feeling at the time? but i don't know how you explain it as justified when someone shoots 12 times and hits an unarmed man ten times. it just doesn't make sense. although mark and i generally disagree on most things, i think he has a point when he talks about race being a factor. what was the officer's perception? why did he immediately feel the need to shoot? that just doesn't make much sense. >> kevin, you've been on the nypd for 21 years. when you hear 12 shots, does that instantly raise red flag for you? >> no. my guess is that's all he had in his magazine. that once he started shooting, he stopped when he ran out of bullets. >> aren't you trained to shoot one or twice and then sort of pause? >> there are a tap, tap, two
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shots, two shots, two shots. there's rapid fire, but it's up to the individual, their fear level and their reaction to an adverse situation. you know, you can only assume that this officer panicked at the time and fired until he had nothing left. >> a lot of these instances happen very, very quickly. and studies have shown if they're able to de-escalate or have a few seconds' pause, it can make all the difference. >> absolutely. i'm of the understanding there was a taser fired first. so there was some type of perceived threat preceding the shooting, one officer fires a taser and the other officer fires his weapon. so something else happened in that little window of time. the 911 call stayed on the phone for the duration of the police's arrival. so the person didn't leave. there has to be something else
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underlying here that nobody knows about yet. >> i think kevin's point is a good one. because if the other officer shot off the taser, then obviously he also perceived a risk. what does that mean? what does that tell us? what was jonathan farrell doing? was he approaching them? why were they so fearful of him? is it because he was a large black man? perhaps. again, we are now talking about a police officer's fear of a large black man. >> what is police training or police procedure in terms of drawing your weapon and actually firing? >> you draw your weapon to -- in essence, it's a de-escalation. common sense, if somebody has a gun drawn on you, you're not going to approach the person. once you have your gun drawn, you try to take control. you want to keep a distance of safety, want to protect yourself, your partner and the public. i don't know what happened, somebody fires a stun gun to tase the guy and the second officer shoots.
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but i doubt that at 2:30 in the morning some cops had it in their heads they were going to go kill somebody tonight. it's not in their mind. >> how is that justifiable? that's what i don't understand. yes, i think the police officers are trained to de-escalate. how is shooting off 12 rounds a de-escalation? >> also we don't know how long this officer had been on the force. all of these things, the more experienced you are to kind of think rationally in an emergency -- >> but you shouldn't be responding to this type of call if you aren't capable of handling it. >> it's your job. you respond. things happen. >> right. and you don't get a pass to only respond when you're out on the street to only these kinds of incidents or those kinds of incidents. i think what they're going to say is, i think they're already developing the defense, they're going to say this officer was
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out there, they had a 911 call. the woman was clearly frightened and agitated and scared. they responded. the taser was used. for whatever reason, either the taser malfunctioned or didn't have the impact it was supposed to. therefore, they fired or he fired his weapon and discharged all of it because the taser didn't work. therefore he fired his weapon it could be an unfortunate confluence of factors, but it's a very tough case for the prosecution. >> i will leave it there. good to have you all on. thank you. >> there could be a break in two cold cases 40 years ago, imagine that. a grim discovery in oklahoma. skeletal remains of as many as six bodies pulled from a lake. details ahead. also tonight, a man in new york dangles from a four-story window, his apartment on fire. the daring rescue caught on video when we continue. you think you take off all your make-up before bed.
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>> caught up on some other stores we are following. isha is here with the 360 bulletin. >> a massive storm in western mexico has strengthened into hurricane manuel. one of three storms that have killed 80 people. heavy rains and devastating floods have stranded some 40,000 tourists, many of them in acapulco. authorities have pulled two cars from a lake that may contain remains of six people. the discovery may solve two cold missing persons cases, dating back more than four decades. authorities warn, positive identification could take years
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if it's even possible. a scary sight in new york city. a man is dangling from his fourth story window after his apartment catches fire. he didn't have a fire escape, but quick thinking people came to the rescue with a ladder. thankfully. we're told he escaped without serious injury. >> wow. it looked like that guy wasn't attached to a rope at all who went over to rescue him. >> great bravery. >> thank you very much. the "ridiculist" is next.
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♪ hamster on a piano >> there's a tremendous amount of competition in the rodent world. i have no idea what is going on. yes, we now have a hamster that can drive a truck. but can they skateboard? i know what you're thinking, they put them on the board. they're not really doing anything. fine. how about this one? surfing mice. there you go. there they are hanging ten. wait. do mice have ten toes or hooves? i don't know. mickey mouse always had big yellow shoes on so it was hard to count if he had toes. mice are all about activities. is everybody stoned? i don't know what's going on. ask them to test your dynamic steering system, and they're all like, no way, man, i'm going surfing, smell you later. which is why.
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i believe it was asop who said this or is it esop? man, what is going on? you never send a mouse to do a hampster's job. that's what asop or esop said. all right, that does it for this edition of 360. "early start" begins now. have a great day. a record day on wall street. stocks went soaring after a shocker from the fed. what this means for you and new reaction for the markets overnight. you're going to be happy. > . >> killed 12 people and wounded several others. >> raw emotion from the mother of the washington navy yard gunman, as new details emerge this morning about a response team that might have saved lives. it was turned away even as the attack was happening.
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