blitzer. he is right next door. he's not next door. he's in "the situation room" regardless. happening now, republicans in disarray over the threat of a government shutdown, with very sharp infighting exposed on social media and elsewhere. also, controversial some say creepy ads discouraging young people from getting insurance under obama care. do they cross the line? and from facebook founder to high-powered lobbyist, mark zuckerberg is up on capitol hill. we take a closer look at the tech guru's politics. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." federal government offices and programs closed, museums and parks shuttered, hundreds of thousands of federal workers furloughed without pay. that's the hard reality of a government shutdown and it's now potentially only 11 days away. house republicans are poised to pass a bill tomorrow that funds

the government while defunding obama care. but with no chance of passing the senate or getting a presidential signature, it sets the stage for a shutdown that could wind up costing the nation billions and billions of dollars. cnn's athena jones begins our coverage from the white house. this has certainly sparked sharp infighting among republicans. >> reporter: it has, and this fighting within the republican party is now raising more questions today about whether these lawmakers are ever going to get together on a deal that would keep the government running. the battle lines over a government shutdown have been drawn with house republicans planning a vote to block obama care as part of a bill to keep the government running past september 30th. >> it's going to raise costs. it's destroying american jobs and it must go. >> i cannot remember a time when one faction of one party

promises economic chaos if it can't get 100% of what it wants. >> reporter: but it's not just the white house and republicans at war. it's the gop at war with itself. after the house speaker announced the plan wednesday, senate republicans, including mike lee and ted cruz, a tea party favorite who has vowed to fight the health care law, said they don't have the votes to pass the house bill. while factually correct, those words sparked outrage among house republicans. wisconsin congressman shawn duffy tweeting that cruz and others refuse to fight, wave white flag and surrender. pushing cruz to promise thursday to block any senate bill that removes the provision defunding obama care. >> i will do everything necessary and anything possible to defund obama care. >> filibuster? >> yes. and anything else. >> reporter: meanwhile, republican strategist karl rove is warning the gop's strategy

will only hurt the party, and democrats are warning the republican disarray is bad for the economy. >> it would be good political theater to watch them self-destruct and that's what they're doing. if there were not so much at stake. >> reporter: it's not just a fully functioning government at risk here. house republicans have said they will link raising the nation's debt limit to stopping obama care. the president has said he won't negotiate. >> while the president is happy to negotiate with vladimir putin, he won't engage with the congress. >> reporter: so far, the white house's strategy has been to continue to point the finger at republican lawmakers. >> it's unconscionable to imagine that there are those in the congress and now apparently because he couldn't persuade them otherwise the speaker of the house has joined them who believes it is the right thing to do to threaten another recession over their ideological desire to defund or delay the

affordable care act. >> reporter: time is not on congress or the white house's side right now, with that september 30th deadline to avoid a shutdown in mind, white house press secretary jay carney said the president does plan to speak with congressional leaders in the coming days to try to work out a deal. wolf? >> thank you. shawn duffy, by the way, the congressman you heard in the report, will be joining me later this hour together with peter king. they disagree on some strategy, some tactics in this debate. meanwhile, opponents of obama care are targeting young people with some rather controversial ads. the creators themselves call the ads creepy and they are designed to try to persuade people not to sign up for the health insurance programs under the affordable health care act also known as obama care. cnn's renee marsh reports. >> reporter: dueling videos on both sides of the health care debate and on the opposing side, the videos are pushing the envelope. >> let's have a look.

♪ >> reporter: just days before americans begin to enroll for health care insurance under the affordable care act, self-described libertarian group generation opportunity released two web videos hoping to convince people not to enroll. lucas byonno helps conservative politicians use viral videos to get their message out. he says the ads could change enough minds to make a difference. >> in this society we live in, it's important to continuously produce content that's going to be innovative and this is one aspect that does that. where it's disturbing and new and fresh because if you just stay below the bar and put something out that's very standard, it won't fly. it won't resonate.

>> reporter: one ad tracking agency says ads opposing the affordable health care act outnumber those for it by five to one. but as the clock ticks and critical deadlines for implementation of the law fast approaches, ads encouraging people to enroll are showing up on the air waves. >> minnesota, land of 10,000 reasons to get health insurance. >> reporter: health care, the policy issue that created a war between two sides in washington, has become a political cash cow for advertisers. one ad tracking agency estimates by 2015, more than $1 billion will have been spent on ads, most of them making the case it's a bad deal. >> it is a train wreck. it has to go. >> reporter: as we know, the law is already in place but some say that the impact of these ads can be that they change the way people actually feel about the law. when you look at our own cnn polling, you don't see a drastic change in how people feel about

the health care law, but we can tell you that more people are unsure about it now than they were three years ago. wolf? >> you're right. those ads, a bit creepy, i must say. renee, thanks very much. let's dig a little deeper into all of this right now with our chief political analyst, gloria borger and our chief national correspondent, john king. gloria, i will play a clip, this is john mccain, spoke awhile ago to jake tapper. listen to what he said. >> in the united states senate, we will not repeal or defund obama care. we will not. and to think we can is not rational. >> so gloria, how much dissent is there within the gop on this really sensitive issue? >> look, i think there's a lot of dissent. there was an op-ed piece in today's "wall street journal" by karl rove essentially saying that what republicans in the house are embarked on is kind of a fool's errand because they know it's not going to go

anywhere in the senate and the worry is among republicans that you're going to lose those all-important independent voters. yes, a lot of those independents don't much like obama care, but they don't like the idea of shutting the government down, and that eventually, over time, this is only going to hurt republicans and could really hurt them badly in the long run. so lots of republicans are saying just don't do this. >> and hurt them, wolf -- >> speaker -- i was going to say, can the speaker rein in his own party? >> at the moment, no, obviously, which is why he's decided to abandon his original approach and let them have this vote and send it over to the senate. then the question will be after the senate, which we expect, sorry, house, we're not going to go along with this, what does the speaker do in round two. that is where this debate will get really fascinating because the prospect of a government shut-down will be closer and the speaker then will have to navigate. this is what gets so frustrating because we know speaker boehner now is saying this has to

happen. a week ago, he had a very different strategy. karl rove says this, john mccain says this, but here's the problem. for the grassroots new members of congress, especially the tea party people, they think that karl rove and john mccain are part of the problem. as much as barack obama is. so they don't listen to the traditional establishment voices in the party, if you will. those voices are telling them here we are on the verge of a midterm election cycle in which we will probably gain seats in both the house and the senate. we actually have a slight chance of taking the senate majority. we could, for the next election, be in a position to further advance our policy goals and you might ruin that chance by even the possibility of a government shut-down but most of the members pushing this are from very safe house districts that the president lost in landslides. they don't have the same calculation because when they go home, when they go home, their worry is not what's going to happen if they do this. some of them worry if they don't do it they will get a primary challenge. >> but i was talking to a house republican today who doesn't believe they should have this big fight and his point to me

was you know what, at a certain point, these members, these new members, are going to learn the hard way that the american public doesn't like the idea of shutting the government down. that in the end, they understand that there are lots of important services that are provided by the government and that they don't want to see them come to a full stop or even be threatened, but his point to me was they are just going to have to learn it, lots of members were here for the shut-downs in the '90s, these people weren't, and so maybe there is just no talking to them. >> the democrats watching this internal republican debate from the sidelines, what's their strategy right now? >> well, you know the old rule in politics, when the other party is in a circular firing squad, don't interrupt. that's what most democrats say. it's true, there's no question the democrats have the political advantage here in the short term on this shut-down fight. here's the challenge for the

president. there's not really much he can do about this. every day that passes is a day in his second term that is frittering away without getting big things done. even when he's bogged down in the syria debate, now in the government shut-down debate, then the debt ceiling debate, what about immigration reform, what about the long lost dream of dealing with the structural problems in medicare and social security or the structural problems of tax reform? forget about it. so the president short-term wins without a dout. he has the political high ground. when you think big picture second term, every day lost is a day wasted. once you get to the midterm election, people will start talking lame duck. so the president's winning here but he's also losing. >> yeah. and one more thing to think about, to add to john's long list there, is the question of what this does to the economy. because this is a president who has been talking about how the economy's getting better, but we're not where we need to be. and this is going to be a large part of his legacy. and if suddenly the government shuts down, we don't pay our bills, that's going to have an economic impact that could be

felt in the long term. >> that's right. >> even if they get over this immediate hurdle, they've got a debt ceiling hurdle in mid-october. lots going on. gloria, thank you. john, thanks to you as well. up next, john kerry forcefully countering russian claims about who is behind that deadly chemical weapons attack in syria. plus, a young tech billionaire has washington's ears. what exactly are mark zuckerberg's politics? we're taking a closer look at his lobby and it's ongoing in washington right now and his influence. i'm kind of seeing a... some kind of... this is... an alien species. reality check: a lot of 4g lte coverage maps don't really look like much at all. i see the aleutian islands. looks like a duck. it looks like... america... ish. that's a map. that's a map of the united states. check the map. verizon's 4g lte

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very strong remarks today from the secretary of state john kerry about syria. he says the united nations report clearly shows that the bashar al assad regime was behind last month's deadly chemical weapons attack. >> we really don't have time today to pretend that anyone can have their own set of facts approaching the issue of chemical weapons in syria. this fight about syria's chemical weapons is not a game. sarin was used.

sarin killed. the world can decide whether it was used by the regime which has used chemical weapons before. the regime which had the rockets and the weapons or whether the opposition secretly went unnoticed into territory they don't control to fire rockets they don't have containing sarin that they don't possess to kill their own people and that without even being noticed, they just dissembled it all, packed up and got out of the center of damascus controlled by assad. please. >> let's get some more from our chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto, who traveled with the secretary almost all of last week. what is the secretary trying to achieve here with these latest comments, jim? >> reporter: what he really wants to avoid is next week at the u.n. general assembly to become a debate about the evidence of who was behind this attack rather than a debate about a resolution backing up this deal that he's negotiated with great difficulty with the

russians. i think you saw in those clips there an exasperated secretary kerry and some of the former prosecutor coming out, ticking off each of these russian arguments and knocking them down, really angry here and as he said many times, this is not about playing games. >> absolutely not. he's got difficult negotiations, though, coming up with the russians if in fact there is going to be a security council resolution that has some sort of enforcement mechanism. >> reporter: that's the big question. the russians have said they're against u.s.-backed use of military action. if they are going to go ahead with that they won't have security council backing. and the first deadline is saturday when the syrians are supposed to come with a full accounting of all their memo:weapons. in the meantime, pentagon sources telling us today there's evidence of the syrians moving around these weapons and frankly, i have spoken to defense officials and they don't know if the syrians are moving these around for a better accounting or moving them around

to hide them. that's problematic as we get to this point in the deal. >> going to be a critical week in new york next week at the u.n. general assembly. i will be reporting from new york most of next week. jim, thanks very much. other news in washington happening right now. an unlikely visitor on capitol hill today, the facebook chief mark zuckerberg has been meeting with a number of congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle. it has some asking whether he could soon become more of a familiar face in the nation's capital. let's bring in brian todd, who has been trying to figure out what's going on. what are you seeing will? >> reporter: he has certainly been very familiar this week with high-powered meetings. he now has vested interest in washington and there's a lot of talk about him being a real player in this town, even if you can't always recognize him. in his suit and tie, he could blend right in in the capitol with all the baby-faced congressional aides but this 29-year-old billionaire has

enough political juice to grab his own meetings with john boehner, harry reid, and nancy pelosi. meet high-powered lobbyist mark zuckerberg. >> people are extremely eager to meet this guy and hear from him. >> reporter: james bennett of the "atlantic" magazine held a forum with zuckerberg. at that event, the facebook founder took a shot at president obama for the president's previous comment that the government's electronic surveillance program doesn't spy on americans. >> oh, we only spy on non-americans. gee, thanks. we're trying to provide an international service and not get crushed like in those places either. >> reporter: facebook is suing the federal government over that surveillance program on behalf of its billion users worldwide. >> right now, facebook and other internet companies like google and microsoft are pressing on a number of fronts to force the government to let them speak about what's going on. >> reporter: this trip to washington has zuckerberg stumping for immigration reform. he wants facebook to be able to recruit more skilled tech employees from abroad. but his appearance here and the media scrum surrounding it are

drawing attention to the zuckerberg cult of personality and speculation over whether he'll become more of a political player. millions identify zuckerberg with the movie "the social network" depicting his dizzying rise but his political leanings are unclear. when asked his political orientation -- >> it's hard to affiliate as being either democrat or republican. i'm pro-knowledge economy. >> reporte >> reporter: zuckerberg has given several thousand dollars to democratic newark mayor cory booker. the political action committee spent $267,000 on candidates in the last election cycle with a slight edge to republicans among that total. >> he sees policy through the lens of do i think this is going to contribute to what i think is the most important thing, which is increasing connectedness and openness and free flow of information. >> reporter: james bennett says zuckerberg's advantage in this town is that he's pushing ideas

that are his personal convictions and also good for facebook. wolf? >> how much money has facebook spent lobbying in washington? >> reporter: according to the political news website politico, facebook spent more than $3.5 million just in the first half of this year on lobbying, hiring high profile lobbying firms. that's kind of a reflection of how mark zuckerberg and his company want to take more of a role in this town and want to be players. they have real interest here. >> i suspect we will be seeing much more of him. brian, thank you very much. when we come back, the threat of a government shut-down looming with some in the gop threatening to defund obama care. could it end up backfiring on the republican party? i'll ask two leading house republicans. serious discussion coming up. plus, one homeless man's good deed blossoms into an extraordinary $90,000 reward. we have details. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." how much protein

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a texas court is overturning the conviction against the man once considered one of the most powerful figures on capitol hill. the former house majority leader tom delay was convicted on money laund laundering charges in 2010 for attempting to influence state elections. he was sentenced to three years in prison but had been free on bail pending appeal. now this court has overturned his conviction. he has been found not guilty. we will invite tom delay to join us to discuss how he goes about working to fix his own reputation in the aftermath of what has happened over the past few years. meanwhile, other news, the country's largest bank will pay more than $900 million in fines to u.s. and uk regulators to settle charges related to a huge trading debacle known as london whale. with the penalty, jpmorgan chase is acknowledging it violated banking rules by not properly

overseeing its trading operations. london whale is the nickname for the man whose team was thought to be responsible for the failed bet that generated about $6 billion in losses. what started as a boston homeless man's good deed is blossoming into an amazing reward. glenn james gained national fame after finding a backpack stuffed with thousands of dollars in cash and travelers checks and turning it into the police. an alabama man heard the story, decided to start an online fund which has now skyrocketed to more than $90,000. james says he's overwhelmed and just wanted to do the right thing. he did do the right thing. up next, republican infighting and finger pointing as the country moves closer to a government shut-down. we have two republican congressmen here to discuss how far the party should go to try but first, take a look at what's on this weekend's next list.

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my interview with the chief of police here in washington, cathy lanier, is just ahead. and an extraordinary find may end up solving two decades-old mysteries. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." bitter internal debate exploding right now into public view as republican house members stand poised to pass a doomed bill that funds the government while defunding obama care. the result could be a government shut-down, only 11 days from now. there's deep division within the gop over how far the party should go. joining us now, republican representative shawn duffy of wisconsin and republican representative peter king of new york. guys, thanks very much for coming in. let's have a serious discussion right now. i know you two disagree on many aspects of the funding of the federal government. congressman king, you think it's kamikaze, you think it's general

custer crazy for the republicans to be linking the defunding of obama care to continued spending of the federal government after october 1st. tell us why. >> as part of an overall strategy it makes no sense at all. i understand why the speaker wants to couple them in tomorrow's bill so we can at least get it over to the senate but as an overall strategy it makes no sense because we know that it's not going to make it out of the senate. we know even if it did, the president would veto it. to me, this is not the proper venue for that. it makes no sense at all. we know we're going to lose and whether it's custer or kamikaze or whatever, we are going to lose this and we have so many winning issues against the president, i think it's a wing within our party led by people like ted cruz who have been, as far as i'm concerned, carrying out a fraud with the people by somehow implying or saying this strategy is going to win. they know it's not going to win. now we'll see what the senate does. either put up or shut up. >> what about that, congressman duffy? you think congressman king is

right? >> well, first off, i do think we should include the defunding of obama care in our funding package. the reason is, you've had conservatives in the senate who have been talking loud and drawing a crowd asking for a fight on obama care. as your viewers know, wolf, we have had this fight in the house for the last two and a half years. we voted 40 times to delay or stall or defund obama care. but because of harry reid and the senate, senate conservatives haven't had this fight. they have been asking for it. i think it's only fair that we in the house give them a package that defunds obama care and let them debate it over there, let them fight it over there. if they want to filibuster, have at it. we give them the opportunity. >> congressman king, go ahead and respond. >> yeah, i don't really disagree. i'm against the overall strategy but i understand why the speaker is coupling them tomorrow. it's the only way we can get a bill out of the house and ted cruz and rand paul and mike lee have been saying if we just send it over to the senate, they are going to resolve the whole thing, they will win this fight.

we are giving it to them. we know they won't win it. it will come back to us in the house without defunding in it but let them explain to the american people and to the republican party why they were saying all summer that this was a winning strategy. i understand why john boehner is doing what he's doing tomorrow. he really has no choice. again, it will come back to us sometime next week and we have a decision to make. we cannot let the government shut down. >> if i may -- >> hold on. i want you to respond but i want you to respond to karl rove, the republican's so-called political architect who wrote in the "wall street journal" this today. he says the strategy a lot of republicans in the house want is also crazy. any strategy to repeal, delay or replace the law must have a credible chance of succeeding or effecting broad public opinion positively. the defunding strategy doesn't. going down that road would strengthen the president while alienating independents. it is an ill-conceived tactic and republicans should reject it. you want to accept that advice

or reject that advice from karl rove? >> as an end strategy, karl may have some very good points but where we're at right now is we've had these conservatives in the senate who have been throwing bombs at peter king and i in the house asking for a defunding of obama care funding package. so what we're doing now is giving them the fight. wolf, if the senate sends us a package back that full chy fund obama care because senate conservatives have failed in their mission to hold the senate, then we will have a conversation about how we move forward. i'm not one -- >> how will you vote if that happens, congressman duffy? if they send back full funding of the federal government but no reduction in spending for obama care, how will you vote on that so-called continuing resolution to keep the government afloat? >> wolf, i think they'll send back a package that is fully funded beyond sequester levels and will fully fund obama care. what we'll do in the house, there's a number of options that we have. we will volley the ball back to the senate with some obama care

reform and spending reform, and they will have to decide how they vote when we respond after this back and forth. >> so you're willing to go to the brink, is that right, congressman duffy, and including if necessary shutting down the federal government in order to prevent funding for obama care? >> wolf, america does not like obama care. we conservatives in the house and senate don't like it either. that doesn't mean we have to shut the government down. but it does mean we have to engage in this conversation and fight over it. if we don't have this fight, we can't make any progress. listen, we don't want to shut the government down. we want to have the debate. >> so it's just a debating point, is that what you're saying? you're not really going to shut the government down, if the senate which is democratic controlled does not stop funding obama care, you will allow the government to remain in business, is that what i'm hearing? >> so wolf, for all i know, harry reid and mitch mcconnell are going to sing kumbaya together. they will find an agreement as they have a filibuster over in

the senate, they might negotiate this thing out and send us a package in the house that works for us. listen, i think peter king and i can't figure out how the senate behaves as house members, nor can america. >> go ahead, peter king. respond to what we just heard. >> actually, i basically agree. we're on the same page. neither one of us wants the government to close. we will do all we can to keep it open. i would just say if anything good comes from all of this, when ted cruz and rand paul or mike lee fail in the senate next week, maybe finally we republicans will have ended their influence. we as house republicans should stop letting ted cruz set our agenda for us. he should stay in the senate, keep quiet. if he can deliver on this, fine. if he can't, he should keep quiet from now on and we shouldn't listen to him. >> to that point -- >> if you lose on this point, let's say you keep the government running but there's no coupling it to obama care, a lot of republicans say they want to raise it, when you raise the

debt ceiling in october. listen to what the president said. >> you have never seen in the history of the united states the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and have nothing to do with the debt. >> go ahead, respond to the president. >> listen, you know well that in 2006, barack obama made a speech talking about how we were mortgaging our children's future by raising the debt limit. we owe $17 trillion in debt. we are willing to raise the debt limit as long as we reform the way that we spend. reform our entitlement program. the president is going to have to negotiate with us just like he wants to negotiate with syria and russia to figure out a solution on how we resolve this debt problem. we're willing to raise it. but we can't continue down this path of borrowing and spending.

if he will work with us, we can find common ground and not have any brinksmanship but he has to come to the table. >> but does he have to come to the table on obama care or other issues? >> listen, i hope he comes to the table on all of them. this is divided government. i think there's enough issues on both sides where everyone can be a winner. if everyone gets something that they want, we can walk away and i think america wins. but if you just draw a line in the sand, if you draw your red line and don't talk to the other side like the president's doing right now, listen, you can't find resolution and that's when you see brinksmanship and when you see these threats of government shut-downs or debt limits not being raised. we don't want to see that. i think that's catastrophic. >> let me give peter king the last word. give some advice to your fellow republicans in the house and senate right now. >> i would say keep in mind we cannot let the government shut down. if we make it through this continuing resolution crisis, it will be because of john boehner's leadership and the

president has an absolute obligation to sit down with john after this and resolve the debt ceiling issue. for him to say he won't negotiate is the height of arrogance. if he can sit down with vladimir putin, he can sit down with john boehner. >> peter king, shawn duffy, gentlemen, thanks very much. >> thanks, wolf. just ahead, this is coming up. >> no trace, no, you know, clue at all. i mean, his bank account was there. his house was locked up. utilities were on. you know, he just walked away. >> double cold cases. suddenly heating up with a grim discovery in an oklahoma lake. also, when we come back, cnn's jeanne moos. copters buzzing, and truck engine humming. sfx: birds chirping sfx: birds chirping

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he's a seasoned escape artist, but this time, his crime was caught on tape. here's cnn's jeanne moos. >> reporter: do not whimper. for this canine houdini, whose name is bandit, is about to pull off the great escape. bandit suffers from separation anxiety. his youtube description says he destroys the carpet, chews wires, cuts himself trying to get out of his crate. his owner dog-proofed the kitchen so he could leave bandit there but somehow, bandit kept managing to escape so his owner

set up a laptop camera to find out how. >> some dogs are not meant to be caged. >> reporter: bandit was intent on scaling the plywood covering the open space between the kitchen and the next room. >> god bless his heart. >> that's genius. >> reporter: bandit went over the top like a marine on an obstacle course. are you impressed? >> i really am. >> reporter: some were less impressed with the owner. would making this video been worth it if your dog had hung itself? almost happened. but no one we talked to thought he had done anything wrong. talk about an escape artist. the dog's owner escaped us. we couldn't get hold of him. bandit now joins the ranks of canine escape artists like kiwi the yorkie whose owner set her feat to the theme of "mission impossible." waldo's owners chose "superman"

as he used his cage to get to the fence and after a long stretch, made his move. waldo we don't know how bandit landed. his escape paid off big-time because after his owner saw what the dog went through to get out, he gave bandit full run of the house. another dog owner had this advice. >> exercise and xanax. >> reporter: climbing the walls does count as exercise. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. just ahead at the top of the hour, secretary of state john kerry's brand new harsh rebuke

against the syrian government, just days before a key deadline in the deal to try to give up its chemical weapons. fareed zakaria standing by. two cars possibly submerged for decades with six bodies inside. we have details on the double cold case that authorities could be about to solve. my mantra?

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an extraordinary discovery may end up solving a double cold case mystery. the remains of six bodies found

in two cars believed to have been submerged in an oklahoma lake for decades. here's cnn's ed lavandera. >> reporter: the discovery of two sunken cars here in western oklahoma has stunned people around here. and they're wondering if this is really the answer to not one mystery but two. these cars have spent more than 40 years submerged at the bottom of this lake in western oklahoma. investigators can peel apart the metal and hardware with their bare hands as they look for clues. two corroded rifles, a muddied wallet and purse. and the remains of six people, three in each car. it's one fluke discovery that might have solved two long-forgotten mysteries. in 1970, three teenagers in a 1969 camaro disappeared. what happened to the three made headlines in the local newspapers. and the year before, john alva

porter and two friends were driving around in a 1950s chevy and never teen again. more than 40 years later, two cars matching the same descriptions were found sitting right next to each other in this lake. >> it's been so long, 44 years. there's a lot of things we can't answer because we don't know. it's like, through the years, what happened, what happened? just a mystery. we don't know. >> reporter: debbie was 13 years old when her grandpa porter vanished. >> he was here one day and gone the next. no trace, no clue at all. his bank account was there. his house was locked up. utilities were on. he just walked away. >> reporter: alvie porter performed in wild wild west shows riding bulls around oklahoma. porter's oldest son is now 85 and suffering from dementia,

after investigators stopped looking for his father, he acted as his own detective, hunting down every clue he could. you spent a lot of time looking for him. >> you bet. looking for him. but this is going to help me a whole lot. >> reporter: last week, divers were testing new underwater sonar equipment when they discovered the two cars. it wasn't until the cars were pulled out of the water that the bones were found inside. divers went back in the water and found even more remains. the oklahoma medical examiner will use dna to identify the bodies. it could take days, maybe even years to positively do that. alexa white's mother was john porter's sister. she hopes her mother can finally find the answers that have eluded their family for more than four decades. >> it has been difficult not knowing what did happen to her father. she never had that closure or the peace of mind or comfort, always that uncertainty and why did it happen, what did happen,

why can't we find what happened? and i'm hoping that this will bring closure. >> reporter: investigators say they have not ruled out foul play yet. but they suspect that these six victims accidentally drowned, that the cars rolled back in the water and the victims were trapped inside. ed lavandera, cnn, oklahoma. happening now, iran's new president opening the door to an historic meeting with his new penpal, the president of the united states. is it happen? is it a ploy? a puzzling new discovery about the navy yard gunman. the d.c. police chief standing by, joins us with an update on the investigation. and explosive new comments by pope francis about gays and lesbians and the role of women in the church. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room."

strange world of foreign policy that the obama administration is struggling with right now. we saw a rath r fuming secretary of state john kerry just a few hours ago venting his frustration with russia and syria as he tries to move forward with a deal on syria's chemical weapons. at the same time, president obama's suddenly penpals with the new president of iran, one of the united states's most dangerous adversaries. what's going on right now? first, iran's historic overture is under way to the united states. let's bring in jim sciutto. jim, what's going on? >> reporter: some people are calling this the most significant outreach since the 1979 revolution. i've heard hope even from dissidents who have been jailed and mistreated by this same regime. one told me he's even joined the government. still, this is a relationship marred by repeated disappointment. and u.s. officials are waiting for substantive change to match the rhetoric.

a new iranian president, a new outreach to the u.s. by a government until recently virtually defined by its ant anti-american postrat. tonight, he took to twitter to say he hasn't ruled out meeting with president obama at the general assembly next week in new york adding, everything is possible in the world of politics. asked about iran's digital diplomacy, u.s. officials we've spoken to are reserving judgment. >> everything needs to be put to the test. we'll see where we go. at the right moment, i think the white house and the state department will make clear where we're going. >> reporter: it the began with another surprising tweet two weeks ago, wishing jews a happy rosh hashanah holiday. he told nbc news -- >> translator: we have never pursued or sought a nuclear bomb

and we are not going to do so. >> reporter: at home, tehran released one of its most prominent dissidented, though hundreds more remain behind bars. you've been a skeptic like others of pass attempted outreach. why is this substantial? >> this has been one of the charm offenses since the 1970s revolution. it's not where the rouhani administration is interested in this. >> reporter: the one who can leader is ali -- >> jim, thanks very much. let's get to the syria regime

and the crisis in syria right now. the secretary of state john kerry in a heated appeal for international action. he spoke just two days before syria's first deadline in the deal to give up its chemical weapons arsenals. and ahead of the united nations's general assembly meetings next week. kerry defended the new u.n. security council report on the poison gas attack in syria next month saying it clearly shows the bashar al assad regime was to blame, not the rebels, as russia claims. >> the environmental, chemical and medical samples the u.n. inspectors collected provide clear and compelling evidence that the surface-to-surface rockets used in this attack contain the nerve agent sarin. we know the assad regime possesses sarin and there's not a shred of evidence, however, that the opposition does.

>> and fareed zakaria is joining us now from new york. he's the host of "fareed zakaria gps" which airs sunday mornings here on cnn. fareed, tell us about this distinction between a time line. john kerry says time is running out. >> the most important thing to think about is not so much the distinction between a time line and a deadline but what it really involves is is there a trigger? is there some kind of automatic trigger that says if the syrians do not comply, cooperate by a certain date, then it can get referred -- the issue can get referred to the security council. and that implies that the security council might authorize the use of force. that's the crucial issue. what kerry is trying to do is create some mechanism by which there is an automatic trigger. and what the russians are trying to do is ensure that there is none, there is no automatic trigger. so my guess is they're going to

keep fighting about this. but the crucial issue is, at some point, do you cross a line of noncompliance, which sets off some kind of consequence? >> when all is said and done, the continues denials from the bashar al assad regime and from the russians that syria was directly responsible for launching those chemical attacks its own -- their own people, will it really make much of a difference if in fact -- it's a huge "if" -- if the syrians go ahead and describe all of their chemical weapons stockpiles, say where they are, and go ahead and begin the process of destroying them? >> it's a very good point, wolf. we've gotten kind of hung up on this. of course the syrians are lying. of course the assad regime is lying. the u.n. report is very clear in describing the sophistication with which these weapons were used. and it's highly unlikely that the opposition could do this. this is a bunch of ragtag

rebels, highly decentralized. what was used was a fairly sophisticated weapon used in a sophisticated way. but who cares, as bill clinton said to me in the interview that's coming up on sunday. who cares about all this if going forward we have this, the syrians are now admitting that they have chemical weapons? they are telling us they will tell us where they are and they will assist in their destruction. even if it doesn't destroy all of it, even if they don't identify all of it, this is a huge step forward if your concern was dealing with chemical weapons. if your concern was getting rid of assad, that's a whole different discussion. >> certainly is. fareed, thanks very much. this sunday morning, "fareed zakaria gps," the exclusive with bill clinton for the hour, 10:00 a.m. eastern and 1:00 p.m. eastern. fareed, thanks very much. >> thank you so much, wolf. up next, republicans are fighting among themselves over a plan to defund obama care.

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shutdown isn't just pitting republicans against democrats, it's pitting republicans against republicans. cnn's erin mcpike has the latest on the party's divisions, whether they can pull it all together. >> reporter: one of the republican party's most vocal opponents of obama care is standing shoulder to shoulder with his house colleagues, a show of unity after senator ted cruz infuriated conservatives by suggesting his own strategy to defund obama care can't pass the senate. they accuse cruz of having less fight in him than wendy davis, praised for crusading for a liberal cause earlier this year. just yesterday, a senior house republican aide said it's disappointing to see that wendy davis has more guts than ted cruz. he used a different word than guts. but other republicans have called you a phony and a joke. how do you respond to them? >> i'm always impressed with the courage of anonymous

congressional aides. >> reporter: he tried to make amends, promising -- >> i will do everything necessary and anything possible to defund obama care. listen, this is the most important fight in the country and it's easy to focus on the political back and forth. >> reporter: but that back and forth is between republicans, highlighting divisions in cruz's own party. many are balking at risking a government shutdown by tying the effort to defund obama care to a bill to keep the government running, including karl rove, who aired his views in "the wall street journal." he wrote, going down that road would strengthen the president while alienating independents. it is an ill-conceived tactic and republicans could reject it. but house speaker john boehner gave in and scheduled a vote friday. >> i will deliver a big victory in the house. then this fight will move over to the senate where it belongs.

i expect my senate colleagues to be up for the battle. >> reporter: of course democrats are making hay of the republican tangle. >> it would be good political theater to watch them self-destruct. that's what they're doing. >> reporter: now, we learned today that senate republicans intend to vote to move forward with the debate on the house bill that then gets it into a procedural position where senate democrats need just 51 votes to restore funding to obama care and just 51 votes to pass the full bill that, of course, then moves the bill back to the house and leaves house republicans in the same predicament that they're in now, this political brinksmanship that we've gotten used to. >> 11 days to try to figure this out. thank you very much. more on the threat of a government shutdown, the battle over obama care at the bottom of the hour right after "the situation room." representatives charlie rangel and michele bachmann, they are in the "crossfire." now to the controversial new comments from pope francis on homosexuals and the role of women in the church.

cnn's international correspondent matthew chance is in rome. >> reporter: this is the first in-depth interview with pope francis since he was elected in march and he addresses controversial issues like homosexuality, abortion and what he calls the feminine genius. and the words will be carefully examined by millions, looking to him for guidance. on the role of women, he's said in the past, the door is closed on their ordination as priests, disappointing many catholic liberals. but in the interview, he says women should have a greater role in the church. the feminine genius is needed wherever we make important decisions, he says. he made one of his most surprising remarks on homosexuality telling reporters, who am i to judge gay people? the church traditionally

condemns homosexual acts. in his interview, the pontiff says he was asked if he approved of homocircumstantialty. he said, tell me, when god looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love or reject and condemn this person? and that seems to be the conciliatory tone pope francis is trying to set for the church he leads. not so much breaking with doctrine as shifting the church's emphasis. in the words of one vatican commentator, from condemnation to mercy. wolf, this is a pope that is determined to try and keep roman catholicism relevant in the 21st century. you're saying the church may not approval of homosexuality, but if you're gay, you can still be a catholic. the church may not be willing to make women priests but if you're a woman, you're still going to have a prominent place in the religion, in the organization, wolf. >> important new comments from

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we're learning chilling new details of monday's shooting at the washington navy yard. joe johns has the latest. >> reporter: aaron alexis slipped into a bathroom in the navy yard with a small bag, apparently containing a disassembled shotgun sawed off at both ends. we quickly put it together and reemerged, firing immediately and randomly. he's believed to have gone floor by floor firing with no discernible pattern, nothing to indicate he was targeting specific people. surveillance video shows him reaching into his pocket to get

more shotgun shells. and when out of ammunition, he started firing a beretta handgun taken from a guard he'd shot in the lobby. what continues to baffle authorities is the emerging picture of alexis as two different people at different times, making it hard to establish what triggered the shootings. some describe him as affable and outgoing, a series of encounters with law enforcement paint another picture. the latest to emerge, an alabama family reported having a noisy confrontation with alexis at the norfolk airport. he started screaming obscenities at him because he thought they were laughing to him. >> i walked up to the lady taking the boarding passes and told her she needed to get security. three or four minutes later, security came up and we told them he was sitting behind us. they walked over there and calmed him down, i guess. >> reporter: three days later, alexis complained to police about an argument with a

stranger in the airport who sent three people to follow him who were sending vibrations through his body. alexis was a computer contractor with legitimate access to the yard because he was upgrading workstation laptops. cnn analyst tom fuentes. >> they're never going to be able to be 100% of what went wrong inside his brain to cause this to happen. >> the chief of police of the metropolitan police department of washington, d.c., cathy lanier is joining us right now. chief, thanks very much for coming in. i know how busy you've been. this has been an awful, awful week in the nation's capital. lots of unanswered questions. i know many of them you still can't answer. but can you tell us whether or not u.s. capitol police, not your department, but capitol hill police were told to step down when the shooting started monday morning and go back to capitol hill? are those reports accurate? >> not that i'm aware of. literally we had officers that

were on the scene two minutes after the call came out, inside the gate moving towards deployment. we had more than enough teams and resources. we didn't turn anybody away. nobody was turned away by their own agency that i'm aware of. but i don't think you could have had a faster response. the military folks, d.o.d. police and ncis both were also on the scene and in the building in a matter of minutes. i think the response was as quick as it could be. >> another report that the whole navy yard was really undermanned as far as police was concerned. only seven police officers on the navy yard that monday morning. are you familiar with what was going on then? >> i do know that the first engagement with the shooter was the naval district of washington, their military police. those officers and the guard there, contract guard with them were the first ones to engage the shooter. i don't know what their total number of personnel was. but i spoke with the chief personally when he came out of the building and he himself was

engaged -- some of the first officers to engage the suspect. >> i know it's early in the investigation, early in the process, but have you already made some changes in washington, d.c. in the aftermath of what happened at the navy yard? >> we started doing real deep examination of everything the first morning after the event because every time there's an incident like this, there's always something that's different. obviously my number one priority is our tactical plan still sufficient? do we need to make any changes? are there new things we learned from this incident that would change our planning, our training, equipment that we use? and we finished just about an hour ago, the fourth of several meetings with our partners to kind of do that deep dive. i'm sure we will add some things to our training and some things to our plans based on what we learned here. but this was an extremely complex building to enter. and in terms of tactically engaging an active gunman, you

couldn't have a more complicated situation than we had here. >> scott williams, one of your officers who was shot by this gunman, first of all, how is he doing and was he the one who actually shot and killed alexis? >> he's doing well. he is still in the hospital. he actually did have to go back in for some additional surgery today. he did yesterday was able to get up and stand with the help of -- with a walker. so i do think he's going to be okay and recover fully. but he's still having some pretty serious complications. but he's in great spirits and he's a really tough cop so he's going to be cop. we don't have all the forensics back yet but he is not the one that engaged in the ultimate gunfight with the suspect. >> finally, chief, any word on the motive -- any kind of motive that we know that alexis may have had? >> i'll reserve judgment on that until all of the work of the fbi is done.

they have a phenomenal team. i've been briefed repeatedly on every step of this investigation. my investigators working alongside their teams. but i'll reserve judgment on that until all the work is done. and there's still a lot more to do. >> cathy lanier, chief of police of the washington metropolitan police department, chief, thanks very much. thanks for all the good work that you do. we really appreciate it. >> thanks, wolf. >> she is really on top of the situation and is becoming sort of a legend in the d.c. police department right now. let's continue our conversation into this investigation. joe johns is standing by once again. joe, i know we've been hearing a lot from the investigators, specifically the fbi. what are we hearing about any computer that may have been discovered? what are we learning about any social media track record that this individual -- this gunman may have had? because there potentially could be clues as to a motive out there. >> reporter: that's true.

there's certainly at least potential for that. we do know that the officials do have a computer from this man. they also say that he created a website with the name muhammad saalim. the problem sit goes nowhere. he didn't do anything with that website once he created it. and authorities frankly don't even know why he did it. so it's just one more mystery about this man who seemed to be two different people on two different times, wolf. >> what else is happening over at the navy yard right now? you heard chief lanier say they're trying to continue this investigation. i know there are literally thousands of people who go to work there. but for all practical purposes, it's not the same as it was. it's pretty much shut down. >> reporter: that's true. there were multiple crime scenes. we're told the place is still a mess, described as blood all over the place. and there may be quite a lot of

repair inside the structures before it gets back to normal. so there's still a lot to do at the navy yard, not to mention all the people who have really been through a lot of mental trauma, quite frankly, wolf. >> the whole notion of his security clearances, the mental illness he may have had, i know that there's a top-to-bottom review that the defense secretary, chuck hagel, has announced. they want to make sure this could never happen again. but everything i've been hearing from a lot of people who are involved in these kinds of issues say there's no guarantee. when you have so many people getting secret clearances, for example, 4 million or 5 million in the federal government, for example, including in the u.s. military, there's no way you can make it 100% perfect. >> that's very true. the other thing i think is very difficult for the authorities, when you look at all of the little red flags, as have been called, throughout the last several years involving encounters with law enforcement, nothing ever rose