and serves as a wake-up call for t them to solve this awful cancer. have a wonderful week. anderson starts now. >> thanks. good evening. breaking news in the budget standoff and "keeping them honest" in the lawmakers in a battle even they admit they cannot win and unlikely to emerge from the mass murder in washington and willingness and hope even who lost loved ones to forgive. >> later, not just picket fences, meet the people who want to turn a whole town white, as in white power, white supremacy and whites only. and deepening the stalemate over obamacare and the budget. we just learn ed president obam spoke to house speaker john boehner reiterating his pledge not to negotiate with him over the debt ceiling. mr. obama told the speaker that the full faith and credit of the united states should not and will not be subject to negotiations. he went on to say according to a

white house official the last thing the united states needs is another politically motivated self-inflicted wound. boehner sa baoehner aid said the speaker ws disappointed. they don't want the government to default on its debt. what many republicans and democrats say is shaping up to be a colossal waste of time, effort, your money and possibly a lot more than that. the backdrop of the phone call between speaker pain ner and the president was stripping all money from obamacare, 2 tlabt-39, almost totally along party lines. a short time later, the house republican republicans held a victory rally. >> our message is simple to the united states. the american people don't want the government shut down and they don't want obamacare. [ applause

[ applause ] >> the democratic controlled senate doesn't go along the government runs out of money and shuts down. if somehow democrats do vote to kill it, president obama vetoes the bill and the government shuts down. likely the republican lawmakers are not able to de-fund it the 42nd time than the 41 times. it was the 42nd time to de-fund obamacare. most republicans know they probably can't win this fight but are doing it anyhow. if they don't know they're being reminded by democrats and republicans as well. >> we can't let the government be shut down. we can't become general custer. >> nobody wants a shut down. shut downs are bad and nobody wants a shutdown. >> we know it will not make it out of the senate. >> we will not repeal or de-fund obamacare, we will not. to think we can is not rational. >> karl rove calls this a bad

move so does the u.s. chamber of commerce and ben bernanke and the congressional budget office. the last government shut down in '95 cost the nation more than a billion dollars. this isn't to say there's anything wrong with representing the interest of your constituents. obamacare is indeed controversial. a number of people obviously oppose is in its present term. 42 times when a negative outcome is assured every time. that is not time well spent and not like these same lawmakers don't have better things to do. in fact, they've said so themselves. >> jobs continue to be our number one priority here in the congress. >> the house republicans have remain concentrated on job growth and better results for working families. republicans have been focused on jobs, we're going to continue to be the focused on jobs. >> reforming our immigration system is an important project. >> to increase jobs and lower costs for working families, that

is what it's about. that is a priority for house republicans. >> the question is what have they actually accomplished? according to the tracking website, govtracu.s. they've gotten 30 pieces of legislation passed this year. that's on track to be the lowest since the 1800s. they had managed to rack up 20% job approval. here to talk about the last shut down. former speaker gingrich and david gergen. >> with the dead line loonl imi are we wasting precious time? >> no. we're in the middle of a legislative process in which one member of the congress is expressing deep feelings obamacare is a disaster and seeking to set up the stage for negotiations. unfortunately you have with harry reid in the senate and the

president, this attitude of do it our way or nothing. you have no sense at all of the seriousness about negotiating even though today the president did indicate no side should expect to get 100%, which i thought might be the beginning of an opening towards a serious discussion. >> david, what's your take? >> i don't think they are wasting time, anderson. they are playing with fire. newt is right, this could be the beginning of a serious negotiations. i do believe republicans are calling attention to issues that are serious. the way they're going about it and what they're promising is they will shut down the government if they don't get their way on obamacare, i think, is irresponsible and be extremely irresponsible if we go into default over that kind of stubbo stubbornness, our way or the highway from the republicans. >> mr. speaker, it is interesting to hear from folks in the gop, peter king, mccain, it is praiseworthy but any repeal delay or replace the law

must have a credible chance of succeeding or affecting broad public opinion positively. the de-funding strategy doesn't. going down that road would strengthen the president while alienating independents. >> do you think so? sn>> the election is 14 months away. everybody says politicians pay too much attention to polls. you're at a point now, 14 months. it's pretty healthy for the country to see a genuine disagreement. president clinton and i negotiated face to face for 35 days during a period of two government shut downs. there's nothing wrong with being tough and also being clever. this is the beginning of a process, not the end of it. >> you mentioned you were the center of the last government shutdown in the '90s. did that damage the republicans? a lot of people say that damaged the republican party. >> they're just wrong.

the first re-elected republican majority since 1928 occurred in 1996. the first time in 68 years we got re-elected and people think it damaged us? what it did do was it proved we were serious people, determined to balance the budget. that summer after that we got welfare reform working with president clinton. a year later, we got a balanced budget for four 78 years wostra working with president clinton. it was a very messy process. this is going be a very messy process. >> interesting, david, the latest cnn or c polls when asked if they would blame president obama, over half would blame the gop or a third blame obama. do you think it will hurt republicans this time and do you think it hurt republicans in the '90s? >> i think very likely the republicans would recapture the house in 2014 even ifthy shut things down. where it hurts them it seems the

republicans have been taken hostage by the tea party and a group of extremists and that will help republicans reclaim the white house in 2016. i don't agree with newt's interpretation of shutting down the government in the 1990s. most people who look at that objectively not players said the republicans got hurt in both those shutdowns, you can look at the polls, very similar numbers and that got the president back in the game. then he and newt were able to work out this collaboration. >> we have the opposite problem now. just look at barack obama's speeches this week. you have a president refusing to negotiate. under our constitution if you're the house and the president refuses to negotiate, what do you do to get his attention? >> but you would really be willing to day in and day out let the financial community be uncertain whether the united states might go into default, you'd be willing to live with

that and have republicans take blame for that? >> sure. look, no one wants the united states to go into default and the united states isn't going to go into default. the treasury has, as you well know, many technical skills dragging this thing for months. we attach things to the debt ceiling all the time. the question is could the republican house work out something, not repeal of obamacare but some significant step on the debt ceiling and is that a legitimate demands in order to pass the debt ceiling? in my judgment, it is. >> that's a very different proposition from shutting down the government or especially taking it into default over obamacare. that's a more modest version and maybe there's something that can be worked out there, anderson. >> we'll leave it there. david gingriergen and david gin. another mass shooting this time in chicago and people standing up trying to make it the last. hall of famer, isaiah thomas

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when the news broke about the washington navy massacre, the country stood still. not another mass shooting. last night there was another mass shooting and perhaps you didn't hear about it. you should. police are looking for the gunman from a basketball court on the southside and they used a

high capacity magazine. a 3-year-old boy is among the three people he shot. you kcan imagine what it does t a toddler, shot in the head. and others caught in the crossfire. we've been covering gun violence for years. in chicago tonight, piecing together the mayhem that unfolded on that basketball court. here's her report. >> reporter: it was a perfect night for a late night of basketball, perfect until the shattering sounds of gunfire. >> i heard the shots, like 20 shots. >> reporter: panic and pandemonium spread quickly. >> a lot of police and ambulance, a lot of people, everything. >> reporter: the basketball game was in full swing. about 10:15, a gunman walked onto the court and opened fire using a high powered assault rifle. people fell where they were and others ran for cover. two teenagers were hit and

3-year-old boy. he was shot near the ear, the bullet exiting his cheek. miraculously he survived. his grandmother is still reeling from them shooting of her son several months ago. >> it needs to stop. y'all out here killing these innocent people. >> reporter: this is the southside of chicago, area known as back of the yard. a lot of gang people and shooting and a lot of people simply don't come out after dark. >> based on evidence and interviews with witnesses, this appears to be a gang related shooting. >> reporter: turf wars are fierce and chicago's men have become desensitized says pastor corey brooks. is it gang related? >> i'm sure if the individual does not turn themselves in, it could mean more gunfire and retaliation. >> reporter: retaliation,

revenge and a cycle of murder with no end in sight. >> deborah joins us from chicago. 13 victims in one place. do you have any updates on their conditions? >> we can. the 3-year-old boy underwent two surgeries today. the pastor says it's not clear what long term damage he will suffer. the other 12 were in either stable or serious condition. it was a miracle that no one was killed. anderson. >> thanks. for chicago's violence crisis has brought together a range of people all committed to stopping the shootings. joining me now, michael flager and former nba star, isaiah thomas, who grew up on chicago's west side. >> when you hear 13 people were gunned down, one of the victims, 3 years old, what goes through your mind?

>> obviously, i'm horrified and angry. what happened on that basketball court last night is no different really than what happened in the navy yard in d.c. it's an a mass shooting. we're seeing that all the time in chicago and other places around this country. until we deal with the symptoms creating this perfect storm to happen and until we get into the head of these young brothers and tell them how much we love and care for them and have them make other choices and you can't get a job but you can get a gun, until that ends, we will continue to see this unfortunately. >> is there something going on in chicago worse than elsewhere. chicago police say the murder rate this year is actually down from last year. i've been there over the years reporting on this. it seems to not get much better. the murder rate may be down but we're seeing far too many young people die. >> absolutely. that's one of my concerns, anderson.

until we as a country are as outraged at what happens in chicago as we are at what happens in connecticut or aurora, colorado, with gabby gifford or newtown or any place else and decide we're going to fundamentally change some of the symptoms that help bring this about. until we deal with the gun thing. congress had a tremendous opportunity they blew of getting universal background checks. illinois had an opportunity to get stiff gun laws and respond to the murder of our children like connecticut did to their children. they didn't do it. >> isaiah, you grew up on the west side of chicago. first of all, what was your reaction to the shootings? >> we all are saddened and horrified by it, you know, by the callousness of and the loss of life. we all have lived and grown up in poverty. and, you know, when you put weapons and drugs on top of

poverty, that makes it almost impossible to get out of, you know, of course, access to education, having access to jobs, those are the things that these communities need. >> father, you alluded to this, when i was in chicago a couple years ago reporting from the southside about killings of young people. i talked to then secretary of education arnie duncan who was running the schools of chicago at that time. he was saying flat out if this was happening to white kids in a suburban neighborhood, this would be make iing national headlines, people would be screaming about this. because it's chicago, because it's in the inner city, it doesn't even make the evening news a lot of times, the media is as much to blame as anybody. but people don't focus on it. >> i think you're right, anderson. for example, last week, when that mass shooting took place in the navy yard, the entire country focused on it all day everyday and said, what are we

going to do to get a solution on this and find out how it happened. new security checks, everything had to be done. mass shooting happened in chicago last night. happened every night in chicago. what will we do as a country. a woman, i asked a few months ago, why aren't you marching for the connecticut kids? >> i identify those kids but not these. what's wrong with that. >> black and brown children in our communities, we have to start loving each other and stop killing each other. at some point in time, black men must stop killing black men. black and brown men, you can't keep killing each other. that has to start here, with us, before we can spread it out to america. we have to value lives in our own community and we have to value our brothers and sisters more than we have valued them as of late. >> there's not an easy answer,

how you tackle that issue in your community. that's -- that's something that's a tough thing to do. >> no, it -- it's more easier than we think. love conquers hate. you know, there was a time when i was growing up in the '60s and '70s, when all these black and brown brothers and this white brother standing next to me, we used to greet and meet each other and say, how you doing, brother, and we used to share love with each other, we didn't dehumanize each other with the language that we used. we weren't calling each our dogs and animals and everything else. the language we put around our communities now and the language that we speak to each other, you know, it's very important. words carry meaning. >> father, do you have hope that that change can be made? that sense of compassion, that sense of caring, that looking out for one another can be rebuilt? >> well, i think we've got to keep fighting for the fundamental changes that have to

take place in society and how america looks at our communities and what they give our communities. but at the same time, a year ago, isaiah was here, we walked these streets and these brothers here were all part of that. we brought brothers together with nba players, had a game. had two 12 week leagues and a six week. violence in this particular area dropped 95% until last night when two people got killed. we saw the love. we saw guys rivals on the street now helping each other up in the game and calling each other by names because they were ball players. we put 130 back in ged classes, 160 into jobs. we can see the brothers have already changed. they want to turn this thing around but we've got to get help to turn this thing around and have to offer the opportunities and get inside the heads of the ones that still don't love themselves or value anybody else and teach them violence is not the way, not the solution.

>> isiah, you started your own after school solution, windy city hoops? >> we started it with the mayor. we employed -- we had 18-20,000 people working this summer and opened up temp p arks rrar distd the kids got a chance to know each other once they get to know each other they are not thinking about killing each other. >> i know you have another tournament this weekend and i look forward to talking to you again. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> for more on the story, go to cnn.com. >> sylva frazier, i want you to know her name. she touched countless lives in the navy yard shooting, her sister and brother and they talk about forgiveness. and charm offensive, reaching out to the united

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martin bodrog. sylva frasier. sylva was 53 and loved people. tonight, her sister and brother are telling her story and sat down for what i'm sure you will agree was a pretty remarkable situation. >> i'm so sorry for your loss. what do you want people to know about your sister? >> i want people to know she was not a victim. she was sylvia rene frasier. she was sweet and loving and giving. her dna makeup was to always put everybody else before herself. >> i heard she had a second job at walmart, not that she needed the money, she liked being around people and people there loved her. what do you want people to know? >> i think people who knew sylva already know but for the larger community, for my sister to -- for people to know she was a very warm caring person. she literally would give you her

shirt off her back and go to the store and buy another one because you needed the shirt more than she did right then and there. she was a kind person and had a positive influence and always concerned about your well-being, your wellness, that's the kind of person she was. >> how long had she worked at the navy yard? >> she's been with the navy 30 plus years. >> she loved her work? >> absolutely. >> she loved her work. she was dedicated. she was recruited out of high school and she's been in the navy ever since. >> wow. she's been in the navy out of high school? >> she's been working for the navy. >> that's incredible. >> she also was a navy baby because our father spent 23 years in the united states navy from 1942 to '64. >> i talked to john weaver, a man who worked with her the other night and spoke about your sister. i want to play what he had to say. he truly loved your sister. >> sylvia frasier i worked with

everyday. that's the person that i am most -- most sad about. she was the nicest person in the world and i cannot believe that that man killed her. it's just -- that's -- i can't believe that. >> it must give you some solace to know how loved she was and what an impact she made on so many people. >> well, that's true. so much so that the outpouring of love to us, it's amazing, so much so that we have, in preparing for her services we have to move from our own home church because it just cannot accommodate the number of people who are coming out to honor sylvi sylvia. >> bobby, one of your other sisters said something very profound. she has a hole in her heart but to fill that hole, she has to forgive. do you both feel that way?

>> most definitely. i think one of the things is that our parents have always taught us to forgive. they always taught us to be truthful no matter if people had difficulty with the truth, it's better to be truthful, then you don't carry that burden with you. you said or did whatever needed to be and also to have love with respect for the person. that's -- those three powerful pillars have been with our family all my life. >> i can give you an example of that. yesterday, there was a briefing for the families by the fbi. i sort of lost it and i thought about her for the moment and while the chaplain was holding my hand, i said, sylvia would say, wendy, get up off the floor, it's okay. he didn't mean it. he didn't mean it. i'm all right. he didn't mean it. i know i can hear her say that. >> you really think she would

say that. i absolutely believe she would say that. everybody who knows her knows that that's true. >> so that gives you the power to forgive? >> the power to for give and work at moving on. >> i think, anderson, the main thing is if we're going to be good human beings, if we're going to create a society where we all can exist and create and build and move forward, i think we have to forgive. the forgiveness helps us to grow. you can't account for what people do or what they think. you can forgive them for their behaviors and the things that they say. i think in the other part is being truthful with them again helps people as well as it helps yourself. you need to be impeccable with your word and to love and have respect attached to that, that means there's no possession, that means you're not trying to control and be disrespectful at the same time. for our parents and for my father in his united states navy

uniform we lived in the south and he not be served. here's a world war ii veteran, it says for me, for them to teach us love and teach us to forgive people was a very pow powerful lesson based in reality. it wasn't just a theory, it was something that was practiced. that's the kinds of parents we come from. that's the kind of family we have. that's why i think people are drawn to our family, most importantly, drawn to our sister, sylvia, who we love so dearly. i'm her big brother. i'm heartbroken i couldn't be there to defend her and protect her like i've always done. >> uh-huh. >> i love hearing you say your sister's name. >> yes. >> there's a lot of power in the way you say it. >> yes. >> thank you for talking to us. >> thank you. >> i admire your strength and courage and inspiration. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> that's a strong family.

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deca decades. will the president meet with iran's president when they are in new york for the u.n. general assembly. will they shake hands. today, the president has said he has no plans to meet with him on his schedule. and the newly elected president is showing a desire to meet with the u.s., the united states archenemy since 1979. they have already exchanged letters called positive and constructive. in an interview he flat out said iran is not seek iing those weapons and a constructive approach doesn't mean relinquishing one's rights. it means engaging with one's counterpart on the basis of equal footing and mutual respect. and given the lack of

transparency and the utter belligerance of the last president, should the united states take him seriously and can he be trusted? i spoke with rudy guiliani and f fareed zachari. >> what do you think about mr. rahouni? >> no question, it's different. is this credible or awie of buying time so they can continue either enrich uranium or stop that for a while. >> do you think it's credible? >> i begin because of the history. they played us for a fool before, rahouni actually bragging about it. i have to look at that history and say, there's a good chance they're doing it again. at the same time, you can go ahead and talk to them and test this out is there a change.

you better be ready not to make any concessions until they deliver the goods. i would want to make sure there was a verification program in place, that we actually began the verification program and knew they were going to let us go inspect these facilities. then when we got to that point we felt they were really delivering, we could start talking about reducing the sanctions. this is not a function of whatever happened in syria, i think this is a function of the sanctions. >> do you believe there is a real difference? do you think this is a significant change? >> i think these are very promising signs. you have to test it. they have in the past had a strategy of talking and not delivering. here's what's different this time. he campaigned on this idea of making a deal with the west so he could ease the sanctions. clearly the sanctions are behind this and they feel the pain. there are the makings of a deal. you want to test it and make it step by step, don't want to give

concessions before they allow inspectionses. what gives me some hope is he is an insider unlike mahmoud ahmadinejad. he's known the supreme leader since he was a child, an insider, he's a cleric. >> he still says iran has no nuclear weapons program. should that concern us he was saying that or just talk? >> assad was saying that if he agreed at all, to allow inspections of the chemical facilities. i think rouhani is talking different than in the past. i don't think it is to buy uranium and enrich it more. i think they're at a point they're only a year i away nguyen wa

nguyen -- a year away any way. the key to me is i think it is pretty simple the administration can be tough and not drink the kool-aid. i think if we say, all right, you want relief from the sanctions, we want to inspect all your facilities and allow those inspections to take place for five, six, seven months and make sure they're not doing what they did five, six years ago, throw the inspectors out and make sure we have not only a change of words but change of action. >> do you think the president should meet with him? >> i think that's not the appropriate level because if things go wrong, i think the secretary of state should meet with him. if that meeting went well. as rudy says, if you don't give away the store, there's nothing wrong with talking or meeting. >> you would say secretary of state meet with him? >> i think fareed is right. i come from the old school the president walks in when the deal

is done and blesses it. all the hard work is done before he gets there. you don't have it backfire and if something goes wrong you don't want the president blamed for it. get the details worked out. the make thing i would be concerned, let's not give away anything until we have a verification plan in place and we're actually executing it and our inspectors are confident they're being given the access they were previously denied. >> rudy guiliani and fareed zachary. >> fareed has an interview with bill clinton at 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 eastern. >> syria has submitted an initial declaration of its chemical weapons program to the chemical weapons wash dog thereby meeting its first dead line at the agreement reached in geneva but new intelligence shows the syrian regime has

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this sunday in the town of relief, north dakota, a so-called socialist movement, will host a small town hall meeting. it is a gesture of good will as it plants the seeds of national socialism in north dakota and a man names craig cobb. the police don't know how many people will show up. turns out craig cobb, a white su prem prem -- supremacist is not popular. >> in the tiny town of relief, north dakota, it has always be quiet until now. >> what do you want to do? >> we want to control the town.

>> reporter: craig cobb wants a white power takeover. >> it is fair to say you consider whites superior to blacks, jews, mexicans, gays, other groups? >> i don't understand why the other different people don't say whitey is pretty darned nice and clever. >> reporter: the population of leif is only 24. so his plan, as crazy as it sounds might actually happen. he bought his house recently and been buying up other lands for like-minded friends. >> reporter: you bought this land here? >> yes. >> reporter: what did you buy this land for? >> these lots were $500 each. >> reporter: $500? >> now, they're worth about $3300. >> what did you buy here? >> these are all thin lots here. >> reporter: cobb says he picked leif because it's a beautiful place and land is cheap. >> reporter: how long of a period did it take you to buy these lots plus your house? >> maybe 10 weeks total.

>> reporter: no one knew what you were doing in the beginning? >> they don't know. >> reporter: cobb says like-minded people with white nati nationalist organizations will be taking up residents on the properties and have the votes to take over the town, a place where white banners will be thrown and white culture celebrated and minorities not be welcome. >> do you want that to be the beginning of what happens in other towns? >> other nations and the world. thankfully, you come off as bitter with a lot of hate. >> reporter: i do? be careful. >> where does that come from? you're an educated man. where does all that hate come from? >> reporter: we hate that which threaten that we love, garry. we're being genocided in our own country. wouldn't you be better about it? >> reporter: the other thr23 residents in leif are aghast.

ryan is the mayor. >> it's very shocking. i didn't even know these groups exist. i'm trying to make sense of it all. >> reporter: craig cobb is wanted in canada for wilful hatred. he is prolific in supremists writings online. cobb is one of the best known white supremists in north america. >> he believes whites should be accept pris from other races. a raging anti-semite and member of the creativity religion, a religion that literally worships the arian man instead of god. >> reporter: steven bay is the sheriff of grant county, north dakota, where leif is located. >> i have talked to the canadian authorities numerous times. they will not amtrak's do it. it is not a crime for which they will expedite anybody back to

canada. >> reporter: they're not interested in having him back? >> not whatsoever. >> reporter: is it fair you're not interested in having him in your county? >> yes. >> reporter: of the 23 people who live in leif, there is one man who lives here who is black. >> reporter: would you still stay here if they came to your town? >> yes, it is, because i have a right to be here. >> reporter: officials said they would consider dissolving the town to avoid it being taken over by white supremacists but hope it doesn't come to that. gary tucker, leif, north dakota. >> hard to believe. polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones. now, everyone's in the spirit of sharing. hey, can i borrow your boat this weekend?

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time now for the ridiculous. tonight, we're addressing a truly modern phenomena, standing in line for hours, even days for a phone. the new iphone went on sale today and there were issues outside an apple store in pasadena. fights broke out. several people arrested. robberies in line, people trading $2,000 purchases for a better spot in line. why would you need a $2,000 purse. people hiring homeless people to stand in line for them. for the most part the mood was giddy. i don't want to get grandpa simpson. back in my day, people cheered when a war was ended or smallpox

eradicated, not when a new phone went on sale. >> 4, 3, 2, 1! [ cheers and applause ] >> what a wonderful world we live in, a world where people have the freedom to stand in line to get something the overwhelming majority of them have in their pocket. it wasn't that long ago you got a phone, plugged it into the wall and that was pretty much it until they moved or died. what made people think not only do they need this new iphone but they need it today before everybody else. >> when you get a phone the first day in your hand, it's a different feel than you get on the third day. >> reporter: you have the iphone 5 and you've only had it for -- >> like two months. >> reporter: you're in line to get a new phone? >> why not? the best thing to do. >> reporter: how long have you been waiting today? >> problably like eight hours, nine hours. we're with good company so been good conversations the entire day. >> reporter: why upgrade? >> because i can't stand knowing

there's something better out there. i will be reading about it and can't sleep at night so i had to do this. >> reporter: how long have you been out there? >> 14 hours. >> i get that people like their gadgets. i have an iphone and i like it. i won't disparage the technol y technology. that is why we have louie. >> the next iphone will be this. this thing. >> pretty much 100% of people are driving or texting and killing and everybody's murdering each other with their cars. >> yes. >> people are willing to risk taking their life and ruining their own because they don't want to be alone for a second. there's a culture as soon as you get to do it, i'm going to do it! there's no like maybe that's not -- just a constant -- nobody takes in life unless it comes through this. like i think if jesus comes back and starts telling everyone everything, it will ju just -- everybody's going to be

twittering and they won't -- i am christ and i have -- oh, my god, jesus is right in front of me, i swear to god. >> in everyone's defense, the new iphone does come in never before offered colors. make new phones and keep the old, one is silver and the other gold or was it make new friends. same difference. certainly on the riduculist. see you, i guess monday. on his knees and praying. >> the first thing i did was get on my knees and prayed for the people. >> his 21-year-old son shot himself to death. >> no way a gun shouldet