that open invitation. >> debate continues online at cnn.com/crossfire. join us tomorrow for another edition of cross fire. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> breaking news, the u.s. and russia have a deal overseer just chemical women's. did russia get everything it wanted? the top spokesperson "outfront." plus the international manhunt for the alleged terrorist known as the white widow. was she killed in the kenyan mall massacre? we take to you a major american bridge that now goes absolutely nowhere. it is a crazy and warped site and it is not the only one engineers say is unsafe. let's go "outfront."

>> good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront," breaking news. the u.s. and russia finally reach an agreement tonight on a resolution at the u.n. to rid syria of chemical women's. but it looks from that russia may have got when whatever it wanted. the agreement would not authorize the automatic use of force in syria violates the terms. according to cnn reporting. the u.n. security council has been called for a last-minute meeting to go over the resolution which is happening within the hour. obviously a significant development. outfront, the state department spokeswoman, jen, thank you for taking time in what sing a very busy week. >> thank you. >> the state department has called this -- >> it has been a marathon. >> they called it unprecedented, a breakthrough, historic. is there anything that enforces disarmame disarmament? i asked this because according to our cnn reporting, the automatic use of force of syria doesn't comply, something the united states said was crucial, is out.

is that true? >> well, first let me say two weeks ago we did not even think this was possible. so right now what we've agreed to is a strong binding, enforceable resolution. that's exactly what we wanted. that's exactly what secretary kerry came in here wanting. this is not been a debate in terms of the resolution about the use of force. the president has never taken that off the table. it remains on the table. this was about how do we come to an agreement to eliminate chemical weapons. and now the international community will be overseeing that process and that's a very important step forward. >> i totally understand what you're saying. i have to go back to this point about the use of automatic force which the u.s. had said was so important. if you don't have that stick in there, what is the point of the resolution? >> well, the debate about the resolution was not about the use of forceful that was not what we were bushing for. we were pushing for a bibnding resolution where there would be consequences. the international community is watching. they're not just watching.

they're going to be able to put a response in place so that's why this is an important step forward and why there is broad support by the p-5 for this agreement. >> what are the consequences then? >> there is a range of option. what we're hopeful for and pressing toward is for the syrian regime to abide by what they've committed to. to put a process in place for eliminating their chemical weapons. there are several steps that will be a part of that that have been agreed to and were agreed to a couple of weeks ago. that's what the international community will be watching in the weeks and months ahead. >> and i want to ask but the other big issue of the day. you spent a lot of time on this. iran for the first time in more than 30 years, high level officials from the u.s. and iran spoke face to face today. secretary of state john kerry meeting with iran's foreign minister. according to a report issued a couple weeks ago by the international atomic energy agency, iran has install more advanced centrifuges, 46% more.

and they haven't gotten to the site. these are crucial points and i make they will because of this. i just came back from a meeting with the iranian president rouhani and he was very clear. he implied the u.s. needs to ease sanctions saying sanctions weaken our resign to do a deal. i ask you this. is there any situation in which the united states would support easing sanctions without full inspector access to every single nuclear site in iran? >> well, clearly full access is a part of our requirements. but we're not at that point in the conversation yet. it was significant, yes, this evening. and there was a new tone taken by the foreign minister. we feel there is an opening and an opportunity with president rouhani but this is the beginning of a conversation. the question for all of us and our partners around the world is what actions are the iranians going to back up their language. with we're waiting for that, for that. there are meetings in october and we'll see what happens. >> let me ask you a question.

obviously the united states is the closest ally in the middle east. today president rouhani called for a nuclear-free zone in the middle east. and he called specifically at the u.n. when he spoke on israel to sign to nuclear nonproliferation treaty without delay. obviously israel is the only state that has not signed it, presumed to have a very solid size nuclear arsenal. is not israel part of the problem here? >> well, we would support any country and every country abiding by the npt. the reason we're also concern about iran is because they've been producing or on their path to producing and creating a nuclear weapons. there's great concern about what they would do with them. that's a concern shared by the international communicate and that's why we're pressing for it and so that's what the conversation is about. sometimes there's an effort to distract but that's why we're here and why the meeting tonight was so important. >> well, thank you very much. as always. as women, the chief spokesperson

for the state department joining us. our second story, the economic doomsday. the shutdown is upon us. to raise the debt ceiling or default is also here and neither side is giving in. >> i will not negotiate on anything when it come to the full faith and credit of the united states of america. >> the president says i'm not going on negotiate. well, i'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. >> the same sort of talk that got us into this mess to begin with. well, as you know we've been downing the days since america lost its top credit greeting due to sound bites like the one you heard there. it has been 782 days since that happened. is doom day avoidable? dana, obviously days away from the first problem. the possible government shutdown on tuesday. i guess at midnight. will it actually happen? >> we don't know. that's the honest answer. nobody here can answer that.

a yes or no, full well that they'll be accurate. the reason is because the senate majority leader harry reid wanted to start the ball rolling today. he was not allowed to do that. ted cruz and mike lee that no, we want the vote tomorrow as planned. so that will happen. then it will go to the house. they've already announced the republican leaders there that they will bring the house in. probably should not be surprising but you never know. on saturday and possibly sunday. the open question is how they'll change what the senate sends over and if those changes are going to be acceptable to the senate. and we're talking about 24, 36 hours. not a lot of time. when you're talking about senate procedure as we've seen over this week, anybody who wants to gum up the works can. and so it is anybody's guess. >> well, look, i'll glad they're working the week the deadline when they didn't have a single five-day week schedule. we'll take it where we can get it. jokes aside. the other serious problem facing the united states, in fact, more serious according to economists who use the word cataclysmic to

mean when they're talking about this, the debt ceiling deadline. is this going to be a bigger fight? they have to trays debt ceiling. just speaking from a mark perspective, they have to do that but they might not, right? >> right. it is absolutely going to be big aer fight. you and i spoke last night about this republican plan that we were told about that was in the works now. today, republican leaders need to present it to the rank and file. and yes, it raises the debt ceiling. it has everything that the republican party has and the republicans and the house has passed the entire year. the entire laundry list. the white house, they looked at this and said really? are you kidding? is this a joke? not only do they not want to negotiate. they don't think it is possible to negotiate on this kind of thing. they're not taking it seriously. this means it is going to go down to the wire. in material of the substance, you understand this very well.

the republicans in the house in particular, many of whom were elected in 2010 say they came here to deal with one big problem and that's the nation's debt. and where better to negotiate than on the debt limit which, if you raise it, will be effectively allowing the u.s. to borrow more money. that's why they think that's a good place to negotiate. of course, the other argument which you've just made is this is not a place to mess with the economy. that's what the white house is saying. it is absolutely going to go down to the wire there too. >> thank you very much. as we talk about that debt ceiling, the problem is they've already promised the things that they're paying for by raising the debt ceiling. it is not for new things. it is for things they've already promised the american people. just into cnn, we have new details about the mall massacre in kenya. a u.s. law enforcement official is telling evan perez, there is an increasing concern that some of the terrorists who carried out the attack he is came alongside fleeing victim. the officials say this is making the effort to actually find out who was responsible difficult. the attack left as many as 63

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our fourth story "outfront," 20 years for a warning shot. the woman who fired a bullet into a wall to try the scare off her husband during an argument was convicted of aggravated assault after just 12 minutes of jury deliberation. marissa alexander is a 31-year-old mother of three and she tried unsuccessfully to use florida's stand your ground defense which of course we are all now familiar with. now alexander made headlines after george zimmerman's acquittal in the death of trayvon martin. many want to know why this woman was sentenced to so much time while zimmerman walked free. david mattingly "outfront."

he covered the zimmerman trial from zero all the way on. what are you learning about this new trial? >> well, erin, this case is at the central of debate over how the florida stand your ground law is applied. three years ago, marissa alexander said she was fearing for her life when she fired a shot at her abusive husband. that shot went into a wall. the man wasn't even wounded in this case. but alexander, an african-american woman, was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 20 years even though she argued self-defense. she was denied immunity under the state's stand your ground law. her case sparked protest and got a lot of attention during george zimmerman case. critics say this wouldn't have happened to her if she had been white. now today, an appeal court has given her and her many supporters some hope. the court ruled that the judge in this case gave the jury the wrong instructions when it come to interpreting self-defense. so the bottom line here, erin, alexander is going to get a new

trial. >> and david, what are florida and, well, this is important now that you brought race into this story. the naacp saying. >> they've been pushing very hard for something like this. the leaders, national and state level, both applaud the decision. alexander's attorney tells cnn, marissa was ecstatic and obviously incredibly thankful and wants to get back to her family. but she still has to go to trial again and there is been a little bit of a twist. the appeals court said she cannot have another stand your ground hearing. so she will have to go to trial and argue self-defense t-same way that we saw george zimmerman do in his recent trial. >> so what then, angela kory who also prosecuted george zimmerman, prosecuted this case. and she has become a known figure. what has she said? >> well, a statement from her office reads, the defendant's conviction was reversed on a legal technicality and shem, we

are gratified that the court affirmed the defendant's stand your ground ruling. meaning there will be no repeat of the stand your ground hearing. in terms of what is next for her, there is no court date but she is clearly not off the hook here. she still faces aggravated assault charges and there is no in between. she is either found innocent or found guilty and gets a manner to sentence of 20 years. so she goes free or she gets 20 years in prison. no middle ground here. >> thank you very much. david mattingly. our fourth story "outfront," the lost victims of the costa concordia. one official calling it a miracle because human remains have been found in the cruise ship that capsized off the coast of italy january of last year. the crash killed 30 people. two others have been missing and presumed dead. until now. >> reporter: the human remains found in the hull of the costa concordia ship today won't be

identified until sometime in the next couple of weeks themselves need to do crucial dna testing to feigned out if the bones they found belong to either of the two victims, whose bodies have not been recovered. that's a 50-year-old woman from sicily and a 33-year-old man who was on the ship from india. the discovery of these remains, obviously, will give closures to the families but also give the salvage operators a chance to start the next phase of their operation. they do not have access to the ship until and unless the remanls of the last two victims are found. after that they can move to the next step which is preparing for the reflotation of the costa concordia and the eventual removal of the vessel from the island. >> those bodies have been submerged for nearly 20 months so obviously they've almost completely decomposed so they are just skeletal. the difficulty would be identifying, are these two bodies, parts of bodies. we were told how they will make

a positive i.d. >> the forensic an throw apologist confronted with the problem of who are these remains who do they come from, will first examine the bones to see if there are healing signs of fractures. comparing x-ray evidence to those fractures will help identify an individual, and certainly, dental x-rays can be used for positive identification. >> the captain of the costa concordia is currently on trial, facing 20 years in prison if convicted on charges including manslaughter and abandoning ship. in our money and power, the control of of america's biggest bank will go to washington. this is a huge story. the ceo spent nearly an hour meeting with eric holder to talk about how much he will have to pay to end investigations into mortgages. a person familiar with the talks tells cnn, the two sides are discussing a possible settlement which could reach $11 billion. here's the thing though.

many of these problem mortgages stem from two big deals. a lot of people are saying doesn't a banker deserve to pay the praise for thing that went wrong. that may be true. here are the facts in this case. five years ago, jpmorgan acquired bear stearns and jpmorgan and hastened the deals. many would say forced. he was told if you don't buy these companies which were in death spirals, you will jeopardize the american system and at the time that did not seal lake an exaggeration. he did not have the luxury of time to do due diligence or the right to say no, we don't want to buy this because we're scared there might be some bad stuff in here. so yes, they got the banks incredibly cheap. and over time that helped them out a lot. but they had to take on a lot of bad stuff without knowing about it in advance. now those legal liabilities are baiting them in the tail.

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our fifth story, a sagging bridge near green bay, wisconsin suddenly closed. it developed a 400-foot dip. that is a huge dip and our ted rolins is there with the story. >> reporter: suddenly this 400 foot long section of one of wisconsin's most well traveled bridges started to sag. and the 911 calls came in almost immediately. >> that bridge is sagging in the center. i came over with a tractor-trailer and i mean she jumped that. >> reporter: the bridge carries 40,000 cars a day and will now be closed indefinitely. the green bay bridge was built in 1980 and last inspected in august 2012. officials declared it at the time to be sound. an associated press report

published earlier this month found that more than 65,000 u.s. bridges were classified by the federal national bridge inventory as structurally defish enlt. more than 20,000 other bridges were deemed to be fracture critical which means about 60 bridges in wisconsin alone fall into the danger category, according to the study. but this sagging bridge was apparently not one of them. it is certainly not the first time we've seen these frightening images. in may, this bridge collapsed to dropping 120 feet into frigid waters below, taking with it two cars and three passengers. luckily there were no fatalities. in 2007 a portion of the i-35 bridge collapse in the minneapolis during rush hour, killing 13 people and injuring more than 100. that accident sparked a national reexamination of the country's roads and bridges. in 1983, three people died when a section of i-95 in connecticut broke away, falling 70 feet,

taking two cars and an 18-wheeler down with it. and the silver bridge kegging west virginia and ohio collapsed in 1967 when the traffic on the bridge exceeded the maximum weight limit. 46 people died. luckily in this case, the only casualty is time. >> ted, i mean, do you know how this happened? a 400-foot drop is a huge drop. >> reporter: absolutely, erin, and no, they don't know what happened. basically two pillars of this bridge both dropped more than 20 inches. they have assembled with teams across the country and they want to figure out exactly what happened and then come out with a game plan on how to fix it. they're warning it may take up to a area before they can use this bridge again. and it is amazing that nobody was hurt. one of the 911 callers was from a truck driver that drove over it carrying a full load. thank god the bridge held his

weight. >> thank god. thank you very much. reporting from that bridge. you think about the conditions the bridges are in in this country it makes you realize why this dysfunction in washington is such a problem. still to come, governor chris christie can't seem to help himself. he is in another feud. >> plus an alleged terrorist called the white widow. what did she have to do with the deadly mall attack? why she may be involved. and it was believed that eating more fish helped with your brain functions. if not, go by a the omega 3-6-9s. [ male announcer ] campbell's angus beef & dumplings.

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." cnn has learned washington navy yard shooter aaron alexis' autopsy is complete and his body has been released. the results of the autopsy have not been made public, nor have the results of who picked up his body. this comes a day after authorities released surveillance video of lexus walking through the hallways carrying a sawed off shotgun on his way to the massacre. they apparently were able to notify all but one of the families that they would be releasing this footage to us, and therefore you, ahead of time. but mary francis knight tells outfront that her family was not notified. and says this only adds to their loss. the war crimes conviction

against charles taylor has been upheld. the ruling by a u.n. backed court confirms the 50-year jail sentence taylor was given last year for encouraging rebels in sierra leone to murder and rape victims. this has never happened before. many officials are calling for bashar al assad to be tried for war crime. the criminal court prosecutor says that isn't going to happen. he said he would have to get a referral from the security council which would not happen. the merits of eating fish may not be all they're cracked up to be. a new study found that women over 60 with higher levels of omega three fatty acids did not have better memory or cognitive skills than people with lower levels of omega. the researchers say it is not a definitive answer. no scientific answer ever is. there will be another one coming out in a couple days but more research is need before you dismiss your fish.

meaning this is not reason to indulge. in another study, rats were fed a western diet high in fats for 90 days and their learning and memory skills suffered. sometimes you don't need a study to tell you that. our sixth story, the u.s. on high alert. marines beefing up security at the american embassy in nairobi following the deadly terrorist attack at a shopping mall there. the state department is also warning other terrorist attacks could be in the works by al qaeda-linked grooms. while it has not been confirmed, we can tell that you kenyan officials are implying the woman known as the white widow did have involvement in the attack. her name is samantha lewthwaite and she is the widow of a bomber. tonight there is a worldwide alert to hunt her down. brian todd is "outfront." >> reporter: she's been photographed as a british school girl with a soft faced smile. she is now called the white widow. is believed to be a jihadist and interpol has issued a notice

trying to track down samantha lewthwaite. that's at the request of authorities who have given no evidence that she may have been involve in the attack. >> the terrorist group on a twitter handle which appears to belong to them have denied that any women were involved in this attack. >> reporter: but a senior kenyan official says a woman was there. and kenyan leaders clearly believed samantha lewthwaite has had bad intentions. born in buckingham shire england, she had by all accounts a normal, even innocent upbringing. as a teenager she married jermaine lindsey. she was pregnant when he blew himself up in the london bus and train attacks that killed more than 50 people. it is not clear if that event radicalized her. she initially condemned those bombings. >> reporter: but subsequently she is thought to have traveled to east africa and connected with militants linked to the group al shabab. >> reporter: she has been elusive, known to travel on a

fake south african passport under the name natalie webb. in 2011, kenyan authorities raided three home in moom bassa including one used by lewthwaite. there she found similar bomb material to those used in the london bombings. they arrested people for plotting to bomb tourist areas but they were too late to catch samantha lewthwaite. do those pieces up up to the potential involvement? the analyst peter bergen doesn't think so. >> that doesn't fit with how these groups operate. they are mysogynists. they think women should be at home in a body veil. >> reporter: but she would not be the first western woman to be involved in a well known terrorist plot. in 2005, a belgian lou had joined al qaeda, blew herself up and injured a u.s. soldier in a suicide bombing in iraq. and in 2011, colleen larose from pennsylvania who had called herself jihad jane pleaded guilty to plotting the murder of

a swedish cartoonist who had drawn an insulting image of the prophet mohammed. thank you very much. in our seventh story, chris christie picking a fate? the new jersey governor in another high profile feud. this time with the daughter of a presidential nominee. earlier this week megan mccain told us she was done with the candacy. all right. there was no need for it. it was pretty nasty. but any way, christie did choose to fire back. >> are we really going to be responding to megan mccain? it is so ridiculous and sophomoric. that i have no response to megan mccain. if john mccain wants to say something to me, happy to respond to something john mccain says. megan mccain has no standing to be critiquing me. >> okay. was that worth it?

"outfront," great to have both of you with us. joe, a lot of people may agree completely with what chris christie said. but you didn't need to say it. does he just lake to fight a little too much? >> well, let's think about the forum he was in. he's on his weekly radio show. he is being asked questions from a host but also by listeners. >> and programs he has a false sense of security and it is his regular show. >> perhaps. here's the thing. the president of the united states has taken, one press conference since april. christie is out there every week taking questions from this host or callers which some would argue are tougher than white house press corps. >> a fair point. >> he is going to get questions like this. the thing with chris christie, he doesn't have a filter that he can turn on. he is who he is and he is who he is as a result of being up 34 points right now in the new jersey governor's race. that's a blue state. not utah. so the fact that he is dominating there, something is working.

new jerseyians like me, if that's a word. we love candor so it doesn't matter who the target is. he will say what he will say. >> that is one of the thing as we all know people love about chris christie. going after reporters, it is fair support. if you want to go after us, you can go after us. here are some of his most memorable moments. >> are you stupid? thank you all very much and i'm sorry for the idiot over there. it is ridiculous. silly. i mean, i don't mean it to mean what you all do but this is silly. you must be the thinnest skin guy in america. you think that's a confrontational tone. should you really see me when i'm pissed. >> all right. here's the question. that combative style as joe was saying works with new jerseyians or whatever he calls them. it doesn't work in middle america. because that's what matters for chris christie. the governorship of new jersey is a done thing. chris christie will win.

>> reporter: absolutely. i've said this before on your show. cam new jersey is not camden, south carolina. as he very popular governor. very popular in a blue state. he will win reelection in a walk. for the life of me, i don't know yes addresses megan mccain by name. i don't know why he talks about rand paul by name of it is not really presidential and that tough guy image, that tough guy name that he loves to out the, that will turn from tough to petty. he has a great record to tout. the road is long and difficult. if his skin doesn't thicken, he will have to face not just the stiff win of iowa, the freezing temperature of january. he will have to face barbs from the right and the left. if he stops focusing on his message and his positive actions in new jersey, he will be taken off task in a hurry. and those fights that are lauded when he is taking on the media types like and you others around

the country and president obama is not going to play well when he is doing it with members of his own party. >> a quick final word. does he have a point? megan mccain would not say something like this. >> the last two presidential nominees for the republican party, 2008, 2012. both lost in electoral landslides. triple digits. why? they played nice. mccain did and romney did. if hillary clinton ends up running and she will be the nominee, the clinton machine is wor ruthless. you'd better be able to punch back. >> let us know what you think about that. time for the "outfront" outtake. control, alt, delete. for a lot of you watching, it is an important part of your day. you log on. when your computer freezes, you use to it shut down apps. our getting out of jail free card is what we call it when it is locked up. it apparently has become a big

problem. bill gates today, shorthand for rebooting something. it has popped up in books and t-shirts. where did it come from? that's where we get to bill gates. during the talk at harvard, bill gates explained. >> we could have had a single button that the guy who did the ibm key board designed didn't want to give as you single button. so it was a mistake. >> any way, this thing, control alt delete which has infiltrated our lives was never supposed to be. it reminds us that a number of thing that were mistakes have become part of our everyday lives. and some of them are wonderful. bubble gum, slinky, silly putty, microwave ovens, post-it notes and penicillin were all developed by accident. and why we would not put control alt delete isn't like those, how

much time does it take to push three buttons instead of one? if it was the one button, imagine how many times you would hit the button and turn your computer off by mistake. still to come, a teacher convicted of raping his student served only 31 days in prison. she committed suicide. he was set free today.

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the montana rapist free. stacey rambold released from prison after serving 31 days behind bars. it has drawn national outrage after the judge sentenced the former teacher to only one month in prison. he pleaded guilty to raping his 14-year-old student cherise. she later committed suicide. kyung lah has the story. he didn't want to talk to you. >> reporter: he didn't say anything other than shoving me out of the way. he did not have anything to say to us or other report betters wh what, reporters about what it was lake to spend only one month behind bars. >> reporter: he left the state

prison, arriving in billings and as ordered, reporting in to his parole officer. hi. i'm kyung lah from cnn. are you checking in -- he dashed in. his head down. a short time later -- can i talk to you? left for home free on parole. the former not answering any questions about his one-month jail sentence for raping his 14-year-old student cherise morales. he was arrested in 2008. as he awaited trial, his young victim was tormented by other students who bullied her for being a rape victim. and before the case was heard, cherise morales took her own life. to add insubtle to injury, the man who was supposed to recommend justice, judge todd baugh, then sentenced rambold to one month behind bars saying the teenage victim seemed older than her chronological age, and was as much in control as the then

49-year-old rambold. the judge who has also repeatedly ducked cnn's questions has since admitted the sentence may have been illegal. state laws mandata two-area minimum for this crime. rambold is now a registered sex offender and he faces this long list of parole conditions, 59 of them to be exact. he can't be around children, to go a bar, be on the internet or open a checking account. and this may not be the end of his legal story. prosecutors have filed an appeal with the state supreme court and hope to put him back behind bars. >> i think as long as we know that it is happening, we can acknowledge it. we can do something to change it. >> reporter: hoping to finally find justice that is so far failed cherise morales. for "outfront." kyung lah, billings, montana. >> her mother is "outfront" tonight. thank you for talking to us.

stacey rambold is out of prison. she tried to talk to him and he push her out of the way. how do you feel about that? >> i hope 20 years with ten years suspended. that would work for me. >> that would work for you. >> anything better than 30 days. >> yeah, i mean that is just -- it's impossible for anybody to imagine that. i don't think there's a single person in this country who can understand it. some people, though, have tried to say look at the minimum law in montana. two years would be the minimum

for rain. that still to me, frankly, seems shockingly low. what about to you? >> me too. >> yeah? >> yeah. it does seem low. i don't know. our kids are our future, and we've got to protect them. >> as i said, you know, kyung lah tried to talk to rambold today. he pushed her away there. she tried to talk to him twice. he wouldn't talk to her. i know you don't want to run into him, and, of course, i understand that, but if you had a chance to talk to him, what would you god says i should forgive him. for me, not for him. i don't know. no. i'd probably just walk the other way. >> do you think you ever can forgive him?

>> i hope so. i hope so. >> that's incredible that you could even say that. >> well, i could be miserable the rest of my life. that wouldn't do my other kids any good. >> that's incredibly generous. >> so -- >> auliea, when the judge sentenced rambold he make the shocking comments that remind our viewers once again about. hate saying these back to you because i can't imagine how it feels as a mother to hear this, but when he obviously made that original verdict, he said, sherese looked older than her chronological age and he went on to say she was quote/unquote as

much in control as rambold. those words have outraged this country. can you ever -- >> i know. >> -- get over that? >> he made a mistake, and bet you he regrets it every day now. i don't know what's in his head, so i couldn't say one way or the other. he made a mistake and hopefully the montana supreme court will fix it and put the man behind bars. >> and, auliea, if the sentence is not changed or if it is -- i know i guess you're saying you're going to try to find way to forgive stacey rambold, what will you do next for your daughter? >> you don't want to know and i probably couldn't say that on tv. no, i'm just kidding. move on. try to make sure the schools are safe because i have another daughter coming up to high

school. >> try to make it a better world for her. auliea, thank you very much. and our thoughts and prayers are with you and the memory of your daughter. >> thank you. >> "outfront" next a businessman says americans should be eating insects hchl e has a new idea to make this happen. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing at all? it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here.

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tonight an idea with legs. lots of creepy crawly legs. it's either disgusting or genius. a man from ohio says he's figured out way to get america to eat bugs. oh, god. that's disgusting. anyway, here you go. >> well, america wants to see it, so, yummy. >> reporter: glen courtrite isn't crazy. he's an engineer with a big idea. it happens to involve, yes, eating bugs. >> they have like a nutty flavor without the salt. like a savory cracker. >> mmm. like a savory cracker.

the idea is to turn these black soldier flies into livestock, anything from pigs to cow to fish. they don't cost much and they're full of nutrients. they may sound unappetizing but animals love it and it's must more affordable for farmers. 20% more nutritional than corn and sardines. >> we can replace the fish meal that's brought in from south america to feed our livestock. >> reporter: courtrite says he has one big problem, keeping up with demand. this is the love shack. this is where the magic happens, where the flies mull ply. >> we play barry white music. it actually serves a purpose. it helps run our process. >> thanks to a little help from barry, the bugs are producing a

few million black soldier fly eggs day. that's roughly 2 million tons of animal feed. >> we could say they respond. they're responding positively. >> right now it's only available in ohio but it's expected to get approval from the fda by next year. >> well, we've devoted ourselves to this. we're very serious about what we're doing. we're on a mission, and we plan on succeeding, and we're not going to quit. we're going to keep going. >> what's worse? corn or bugs? anderson starts now. erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. they didn't want to answer our questions, so today lawmakers grilled them. we were there, though, following up on our year-long investigation, an investigation that's already shut down a lot of clinics. also a rapist is free tonight after serving just a month for his crime. that's right, a month. his victim was 14 years old, and she later killed herself. the judge in the case described the victim as, quote, older