me. life is good. i envy you, zach zamboni. and we're out. nice end. tonight, william jefferson clinton, the 42nd president of the united states, the man who knows america's politics better than just about anybody else. nothing is off the table. i asked him the hillary question -- who do you think might make the better president, your wife or your daughter? [ laughter ] >> what do you think about ted cruz talking and talking and talking? most of the party thinks he's crackers -- >> once in a while i'm extremely grateful for your british roots. i couldn't have said that with a straight face and pulled it off. that was great. >> what he really thinks of vladimir putin. >> smart and remarkably -- we had a really good, blunt

relationship. >> how blunt? >> brutally blunt. >> and you heard bono give the world his best clinton. >> actually, i felt like the rock star on that occasion. >> i asked the former president to return the favor. you do a pretty good bono impression. this is your chance, mr. president. [ laughter ] >> this is "piers morgan live." good evening. there's no better person to explain what's going on in washington and the world for that matter than bill clinton. the former commander in chief is honest, blunt, and fascinating. every year he brings his star power to new york city for the annual meeting of his clinton global initiative. and he's made a bit of a tradition. sitting down with yours truly for an in-depth interview. last time i spoke to you was at this very event this time last year. incredibly influential around the world. and it puts you in great position as somebody who had two terms as president and one of the great statesmen of the world

to make a real assessment of where the world is now. turmoil, a lot of conflict. what is your take on where we are? >> well, first, all the problems are probably being intensified by the economic challenges we face. quite apart from the agonizingly slow recovery from the financial collapse. there's a global job shortage. so i think that -- the economic crisis sets a stage for discontent. the dispersion of power present new challenges to people. and we're going to have another 25 years or so of the struggle that i talked about often when i was president between the forces of people who -- trying to put things together and the people trying to take things apart. it's now occurring at a more granular level across the world.

so it's frustrating to people who think, oh, there ought to be some magical answer to all this. you just have to do the best you can and realize we're in the process of creating a world that is different and potentially dramatically better than any one we've known before. but there are severe challenges, and the tools at hand for people that we put in positions of leadership are not quite as effective as they used to be. >> president obama has to at the moment trust three people who, as they would say in "downton abbey" you wouldn't necessarily trust with the family silver. president assad, vladimir putin, and president rouhani. start with iran. that's a big part, christiane amanpour interviewed him. and compared to the interview i did with mahmoud ahmadinejad last year struck a more conciliatory tonight after he admitted that basically there

had been a holocaust. something that ahmadinejad would never admit to. >> translator: any crime that happens in history against humanity including the crime the nazis created toward the jews is reprehensible and condemnable in. whatever criminality they committed against the jews, we condemn. >> what did you make of that? how important is that kind of concession? and do we see a real shift there in the relationship with america? how much do you trust him? >> well, first of all, i think it's interesting commentary on the world in which we are living that admitting that the holocaust occurred qualifies as being a moderate. >> right. >> i mean, in other words, if you get into the fact-based world, there's something to it. at least we can have something to talk about. so i think we just had to keep working at it. and -- but i don't think that

president obama has to trust anybody. i think you just deal with people, and you see what happens. and you go forward. and i -- i feel the same way about the russian effort to get the syrian government to declare, disclose, and then hand over their chemical weapons. we'd be crazy not to take advantage of this. >> the old saying, though, something sounds too good to be true, it usually is too good to be true. can we really believe that vladimir putin are his own self-interests for russia is orchestrating this huge maneuver to remove all of assad's chemical weapons and it's just going to happen? >> no, we don't have to believe it. we just have to see what happen and make the most of what happens. you -- you work for best and prepare for the worst in this business. but i think it would be a terrible mistake not to take advantage of the opportunity, and you know, look, mr. putin, he got -- he's very smart -- >> you know him better than most people. >> yeah, i do.

>> what was he like behind closed doors, away from sort of the public utterances? >> smart and remarkably -- we had a really good, blunt relationship. >> how blunt? >> brutally blunt. >> like in a fisticuffs -- >> no, but i think -- you know, i think the right strategy most of the time but it's frustrating to people in your line of work, you should be brutally honest with people in private. then if you want them to help you, try to avoid embarrassing them in public. >> right. >> sometimes they do things that make it impossible for you to keep quiet. but by and large, i found all the people i dealt with appreciated it if i told them the truth. how i honestly felt and what our interests were and what our objectives were. and they also appreciated it when i didn't kick them around in public for as long as i couldn't kick them around. so i -- you know, that's my experience.

and -- >> did putin ever renege on a personal agreement he made to you? >> no, he did not. >> so behind closed doors, he could be trusted? >> he kept his word in all the deals we made. but here's what i want to say about that -- i think there are two things going on here. first of all, it's clear that the president's threat of force it enter in here prompted him to take -- there was some conversation between mr. lavrov and secretary kerry. he said, is there anything we can do to make this go away. apparently secretary kerry said, "yeah, make the chemical weapons go away," thinking that was the last thing on their mind probably. they said, "well, let me see about that." what does that tell you? a, they didn't want america to weigh in. they've been shipping arm to the syrian government. they got the iranian military in, there the lebanese hezbollah in there. they did not want this. they thought they had tipped the

scales against the government rebel groups. secondly they had wrested muslim underbellies in russia. they have to be apprehensive about the al qaeda-affiliated groups getting into the mix now in syria. they have to be concerned about the prospect, look, chemical weapons are not like other weapons. that is, you keep the chemicals here, and then if you got a sophisticated military, you put them in a warhead, and you launch them somewhere. but you can use the chemicals in a lot of ways. they cannot possibly want these huge stores of chemicals being in syria, not knowing what's going to happen five years, ten years from now. he may have honestly reached a decision that it is not in russia's interest. secondly, he may have concluded, i think rightly, that he could ride this anti-american horse only so far.

i think, you know, this may be the beginning of a different strategy for them. do i know that, of course not. >> worth trying -- >> yeah. you should try everything. you should always work for the best. never shut anything off. it is not necessary to trust somebody to take them up on a good offer. just pay attention to what's going on. when we come back, his wife hillary and the presidency. would you want your wife to go through the rigors of the presidency knowing what it's like these days? the brutal toll it takes on you? and later, the man who unforgettably played the sax on tv has another memorable rock star moment. >> your daughter just informed me, in fact all of us, that you do a pretty good bono impression. this is your chance, mr. president. [ laughter ] [ female announcer ] are you sensitive to dairy?

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the clinton global initiative draws the a list in new york year after year. no surprise, some members of the audience had their own questions for bill clinton. i'm going to put my trust into a member of the audience who has a question for you. someone special. she's geena davis, who played the commander in chief, the first lady president of the united states. >> my president, always tell her that. [ laughter ] >> i think she has a very pertinent question for you, mr.

president. please. >> well, you do -- the high point of my life was after the show when i saw you and you said, "my president." i said, now, i can die happy. [ laughter ] >> that's the best thing. we have that in common. my administration was much shorter than yours. [ laughter ] >> truly cut off, for fans of the show. >> the only difference. i hope people understand the scale of cgi and the extraordinary things that you're accomplishing. and there's an increasing focus, powerful focus on women's empowerment, women's economic empowerment. and not noble separate discussions but including women in every topic that's discussed. can you share a little about why you think that's so important? >> sure. first of all, the reason cgi has done so much is that i'm not

doing it. even our foundation's not doing. we showed the film yesterday on our foundation and how we tried to define what we were about. i said i had gone out of my way never to actually get any kind of help for what we do out of cgi. we, our foundation help if ear asked like the haiti working groups making now, we do a lot of work there, so i'm very active there. but this is a metaphor for the way i hope the 21st century will work. that is, this is an incredible network that's constantly shifting, constantly growing, constantly learning, and the most important thing i think cgi is doing now besides holding the meeting and getting the right people here, is helping people to develop commitments with a better chance of success and then helping them to keep those commitments. so now you've got all these

people getting together and working together who would otherwise never have done so before. i think that's important. why do we decide to include girls and women in all this? because, first of all, it's morally the right thing to do. the world has seven million people, we're going to nine million. the ones growing most rapidly are the ones least able to deal with the growth. overall the only strategy that works to build a sustainable population culturally and religiously in every region is to put all the girls in school and give all the women access to the labor market. for example, as the princess notes, saudi arabia's done a brilliant job of getting young women in institutions of higher education. for several years there have been more women than men in college. but they're still underrepresented in the labor force. japan is caught in a demographic trap aggravated by the fact that they don't take immigrants. but they could buy themselves 20 years it work this out if they

could just get even participation of women and men in the work force. and they could come roaring back. so there's one of the wealthiest countries in the world. then if you go to where we do all this work in africa or southeast asia or latin america, it's obviously going to be very important. family is real interested in myanmar -- >> coming to your family. talking about women in the work force, who do you think might make the better president? your wife or your daughter? [ laughter ] >> day after tomorrow, my wife. because she's had more experience. over the long run, chelsea. she knows more than we do about everything. and it's -- [ applause ] >> there was a time in her childhood when i thought maybe she thought she did when she didn't. now it's highly embarrassing because she, in fact, does.

[ laughter ] >> so look, i feel like i'm going to school every day when we have conversations. >> i met your wife for the first time -- and your daughter today actually. she looks fantastic. she looks completely reinvigorated. she seemed absolutely on fire with ideas and dynamism and so on. it screamed to me one thing -- i'm running. can you put us out of our misery? >> no. [ laughter ] >> but it should have screamed to you something else. real life is a healthier existence than politics. >> right. [ applause ] >> look at clark. he looks like he could still swim for west point, see? there is something to be said for real life. >> there's a serious point to be said. would you want your wife to go through the rigors of the presidency knowing what it's like these days? the brutal hold it takes on you given how you are -- she said that you and she get to be home

a lot more than we used to, have a great time. we laugh at our dogs. we watch stupid movies, we go for a swim. you know, just ordinary, everyday pleasures." that goes out the window if you go back to the white house. >> well, the answer to that question is, i want her to do what she wants to do. and i think it's too soon for her to decide. both because she's just getting used to being a private citizen again. she has a book finished, she has all this stuff. and because we don't know what kind of shape the country and the world's going to be in. i think it's quite unhealthy for our democracy and for our decisionmaking process that we all insist on now running permanent presidential campaigns. i mean, barack obama had not taken his hand off the bible, taken the oath of office, before all this stuff was launched.

now, the republicans have been out for eight years. i get that. there's -- you know, there's 12, 15 people that want to be the nominee. i understand that there's going to be stories about this. but to turn this into a permanent thing is a bad deal because america needs to be concentrated on things like how are we going to implement this health care reform law. if we implement the health care reform law and it works and we spend relatively less than we were spending on health care, that is if we can continue the low inflation rate, how will we see that some of that money that's freed up will be reinvested in the american economy to create more and different jobs? the reason incomes are stagnant in america today is, a, there aren't enough jobs, and b, we're not changing the job mix. the only way it raise the median income that is -- i support it, as you know, the repeal of the

tax cuts for high income people. i don't mind paying more. i think those of us who have gotten the lion's share of the gains should pay more. look what's happening -- we're returning to the distribution of the first decade of the -- of this new century where 90% of the gains go to 10% of the people and half the gains go to 1% of the people. the only way you can change that is if you have what happened in the -- my second term. which the only time since the late '70s when every quintile went up and median income, in the middle, went up. you have more jobs and need to change the job mix. when we come back, i ask what president clinton thinks of ted cruz's monologue to stop obama care. most of his party thinks he's crackers. what is the way you and gingrich -- >> once in a while i'm extremely grateful for your british roots. [ laughter ] >> i couldn't have said that with a straight face and pulled it off. that was great. 1111 ]

senator ted cruz's marathon monologue on funding obama care went over 21 straight hours. the republican finally finished talking. he did something strange -- he voted with the democrats to fund a special bill that funds obama care. think about that if you can. we asked president clinton what he thinks it will take for washington to get its act together. you also have to have, mr. president, a functional washington. there is a sense it's never been more dysfunctional, more divisive, more abusive. ted cruz is still banging, trying to get obama care defunded and so on even when

most of his party thinks he's crackers. what is the way you and newt gingrich -- >> once in a while i'm extremely grateful for your british roots. [ laughter ] >> i couldn't have said that with a straight face and pulled it off. that was great. [ laughter ] >> happy to help, mr. president. what is the way -- you and newt gingrich eventually worked it out between you. how do you get stuff done in this dysfunctional washington? >> well, we worked it out when he was trying to run me out of town. we were still working together. i mean, i knew it was a -- it was a game to him. he thought, you know, he would -- as he -- look, he once said to erskine bowles the difference is we'll do whatever you can, and you won't do that. you think there are things you shouldn't do. once i realized what the deal was, i let him do whatever he could and we did business on the side. you're laughing, but that's really -- we reached an accommodation. but at the time, because they shut the government down twice

and because they wished to hold on to their jobs, the republicans, they wanted to maintain their majority, they believed they had to show up for work and get something done. this reapportionment has created a climate particularly in the house of representatives, but also in some of the states where there's -- they're basically one-party states where they believe that they don't have to get anything done. they just believe that they have to demonize the opposition and say whatever they're going to say. let me give you an example. in 2012, we had a close presidential election. the aggregate vote for the united states senate gave 57% to the democrats. but we won the big states. you'd expect that. but the aggregate vote for the house of representatives continued the republicans in their majority.

it was 52-48 for the democrats. in north carolina where there are nine republicans and four democrats in the congress, the democrats won the house vote 51-49. so we had to realize that we are creating a system here in which we favor division over cooperation. everybody likes being at cgi because we forget what our political parties and affiliation are. we just sort of show up for work, try to do something that works. and i worry about that. and i worry that -- i used to worry that cnn was going to lose too many viewers because -- >> no fear of that, mr. president. we are -- >> no, let me -- >> storming ahead. >> yeah. you're doing better. but you're more entertaining now, which is good. [ laughter ] >> but you became more entertaining without becoming more extreme. which is important. i mean, because it -- people are

wired when they see all this conflict to get into the fray so that -- and you know what it take. you've got to have 800,000 viewers in a cable show to break even. and if you get more than that, your profits go up. so the good news about the media today is that we have more sources of information than ever before. the bad news is we are, all of us, prone only to go to the places we agree with. so msnbc has grown because they have -- >> we don't mention that in this room. i'm sorry. it's -- >> i know. and fox news had this big base, and they know it's -- very carefully done psychologically and substantively, and we just -- everything is serving to polarize the country. the problem is, if you look all around the world, the places where people work together, they're doing well. the places where people fight all the time, they're not doing very well. it's not rocket science. why would you keep doing something that doesn't work?

even in a democracy, people constantly vote for that which they claim to hate. so here's one new test -- the next test which would have a big impact on changing america. if we could get the voter turnout in midterm elections, the next one in 2014, to equal the voter turnout in presidential elections, we would at least stop having two different americas vote in off years. and that would create a clear signal that americans want us to build a dynamic, vital center. and they don't get that signal now. you can't just cuss the politicians if they think they're voting in a way that will be rewarded. the public has to send a different set of signals. i believe we can did that. next, a battle of the guns of america. what bill clinton says about the

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year, and they couldn't even pass background checks in congress? >> that's because -- i'll tell you exactly what it is. and i'm the only president in modern times to ever consistently take on the nra and survive. but i lost 12 or 15 house members for banning assault weapons and passing the brady bill. wes clark and i grew up in arkansas in the '50s and '60s. here's what i know about it -- the political problem as seen from the perspective of congress is that even though 90% of the people favored comprehensive background checks, there's no straight-faced way to say the second amendment permits me to check your background if you come into my gun store to buy a gun. but the second amendment does not permit me to check your background if you buy a gun over the internet or at a -- one of these gun fairs, right? it's crazy.

so everybody favors that. and we couldn't break the filibuster. and it was not supported by president obama. i mean, primarily it was led by joe manchin, conservative democrat from west virginia, and pat toomey, conservative republican from west virginia who felt the same way. why did they do that? because consistently with my getting elected in 1996, the people who agree with us on the gun issue have not been able to protect the people they elect. why is that? how could you have colorado voting 70-30 to close the gun show loophole in 2000 and have these people beat? well, one of its hinky -- 70% of people in colorado vote by postcard, by mail. and some judge said they couldn't do that in this case. >> isn't it also a lack of political courage?

>> no -- >> political courage? >> no, it is not. it's about the voters having no intensity on this side. they get all upset when people get killed and want to do something. then they go into the voting booth, and they won't vote against you if you disagree with them. the people on the other side may be outnumbered 7-3. i'll tell you exactly what it was like in colorado in 2000. we have numbers there. of the 70% that voted to close the gun show loophole, only 15% or 20% of them would vote against you if you were on the other side. of the 30% that voted against closing the gun show loophole, they would vote against you if you disagreed with them. so if you're a candidate running for office, the real poll was not 70-30 in favor of your position, the real poll was 30-20 against your position. and there are a lot of people who won't hold on to their jobs if they have to give up 10%.

now, you want to really know what to do -- the american people have got to quit wringing their hands and say, "i care about this, i'm going to vote based on this." that's one option. the other option is to give the power to the voters. now i remember a conversation i had 30 years ago with my great uncle who was the perfect american demographic for this. he had 180 i.q., and a sixth grade education. and 11 years before i signed the brady bill into law, i endorsed a waiting period. and you would have thought i had come out for the soviet union taking over our country. oh, my god. i was getting killed. i picked up my phone, called my uncle. i said, "buddy" -- 1982, "does anybody think i'd take their guns away?" he said, "no." i said, "they don't believe all this stuff the nra's saying?" he said, "no. bill, remember, people you grew up with -- living up in little rock now. remember the people you group with, none of us have many to take vacation.

all we've got is our hunting and fishing and the square dans that they come to town. and we don't want to take a chance. so we know they're probably not telling us the truth, but we don't want to take a chance." and that's what you have to -- you're up against. so the alternative is if you don't want to organize stand up for your representative, stand up if they vote for you, then you got to put it on the ballot. if you look at this so far, we have been unable to protect people. i believe -- i'm not positive, but i believe a majority of the voters in both of those districts where the representatives were recalled in colorado were recorded as favoring their vote, not opposing it. but they didn't show up. and until we want this bad enough to defend the people who give it to us or we have the discipline to circulate the petitions and put it on the

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then i had chelsea torture me about all this aid stuff -- you know what, we got to work on it, and the foundation did incredible work. >> you do a good bono impression? >> he does. >> he does? >> he does. >> that's all i need to know. a lot of talk, u.n. general assembly and the cgi, all the world leaders here, every opinion-maker, so on, it had been clear to me this morning this is only one real talk point that's been gripping everybody. i'll play a clip of what they're all talking about, mr. president. >> i walked into the oval office, and i -- actually i thought it was a member of his own road crew. i wasn't really dressed right.

actually, i felt like the rock star on that occasion. but together, you know, we did this drop the debt thing. my god, there's 51 million children going to school in africa because of the drop the debt thing, that's pretty good, isn't that right? [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> pretty good, isn't it? [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> now, first of all, what was your reaction when you heard bono pretending to be you? >> it was pretty good. we've been friends a long time, and it's not the first time he's made fun of me. but he's getting better at it. >> your daughter just informed me, in fact all of us, that you do a pretty good bono impression. this is your chance, mr. president. [ laughter ]

>> well, i'm irish, you know? we irish, we can imitate anybody. but alas, i've been singing so long and screaming loud at these concerts, that i'm hoarse. so i got to be careful of my voice. that's why all may charities only have three-letter names. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> r.e.d., o.n.e. and even that's more effort than u2. but we still do a lot of good. >> that is great. [ applause ] >> mr. president,

it's been a delight. thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you. next, getting back to basics with sharon stone. the movie star tells me about her life, her passions, and what she considers one of her most important roles.

the thinking of it in terms of a feminine identity versus a masculine identity. but i think that's just a hinge to how we're going to think as we shift forward into our graceful identity of thinking of ourselves as beings. >> of course sharon stone from the new documentary "femme, women healing the world" the hollywood legend is executive producer of the film. she joins me along with author mary ann william sohn. sharon, you took basically 100 really influential, fascinating

women and you interviewed them for a documentary. what is the point of this film? >> i think the point of the film is really to first of all to really listen and see. just to see what are these brilliant minds thinking? what do women theologians, what do women physicists and doctors, psychologists, pornographic filmmakers, spiritualists, god, everything. engineers. every kind of brilliant thinking women in the world. we just touched women from all over the world and got their point of views about what kind of state is the world, in why do you think it's in this state, what do you think is happening? why do you think it's happening? what are your thoughts and feelings about everything? just from the feminine perspective. and it was just quite a fascinating journey.

>> marianne, what is the collective view about where women are in the world right now? i'm looking at a world now when you have oprah winfrey, arguably the most powerful woman in america, you have people running -- sheryl sandberg at facebook. marissa mayer at yahoo! and so on. all these huge figures now run big things in america. it seems to me that the glass ceiling's been well and truly broken and we're on our way to another level. >> well, i think that there is a way in which a glass ceiling has been broken. but i think the story today is not just women getting our power. first of all, the fact you have a few individuals who are empowered as the ones you mentioned doesn't mean that every woman has every bit of power that she us is due. even beyond that, the real story for the feminine voice today is not how can i get my power but how do we use the power that we now have collectively gotten? that's where we in the journey now. now that we have the financial power we have, now that we have the political power we have, how

can we deal with whatever residual internal, psychological and emotional internal obstructions keep us from wielding the power and making the changes in the world the power does give us. >> would the world be a less danger us, less war-mongering place if more women ran countries? >> i think that might be even a better question for you to answer as a man. >> i've got a feeling it probably would be actually. i think women by nature are not war-mongers. they are by nature more peaceful than men in that sense. and it's interesting to me when you see a lot of women taking over big companies but there aren't many world leaders that are women still. >> i think that when we look at how well mrs. clinton did her role, and how successfully she moved nation to nation, i think we can see as we look at women in these inner relationships country to country how successful that that can be.

>> marianne, would it be different for america as this great world superpower still if hillary clinton became president in 2016 as she may well? >> well, with when it comes to her support of women and children, her talk about economic empowerment of women, educating children particularly girls arounds world she's standing for a feminine perspective. with mrs. clinton as well as other leaders, mrs. thatcher, not every woman just because she's a woman is an anticorporatist or anti-supporter of the military industrial complex. it takes more than just the female body to really stand for feminine values. >> what about the way that women and men are portrayed when they do the same thing? for example, david beckham, right? takes his shirts off for some big commercial. everyone thinks it's fantastic. women love it, men love it. it's all great. someone like miley cyrus takes her clothes off at a big poppy vent in a reinvention from child star to adult teen pop star,

20-year-old pop star and everyone goes mad. this is completely outrageous. is that still unfair? >> well, for me it has a little bit of the difference between erotica and pornography. you can have a beautiful pick picture of a female body, beautiful actress or model. they can be beautiful. then there's a place you feel it's userous gratuitous, even an element of violence here. i'm not expressing an opinion here as a legitimate question. when a woman presents herself in a way that almost -- in other words, i don't think nudity cheapens a woman. i think there can be beautiful erotic imagery. but we all know there's a line where we feel there's something going on there that does cheapen us. i don't think it's how woman is treated, but i think a lot of times the question is how is a woman treating herself and then standing up as a role model and in a space that other women are also witnessing.

>> what do you think, sharon? >> you know, i think that when we're looking at pop and rock entertainment and someone who's a pop and rock entertainer, there's a question of entertainment. and when you're an artist, i think that you can do what your artistry prevails. i think you can follow your vision of your artistry. and that that is just the vision of your artistry. this is how i paint my picture, this is how i make my movie, this is how i make my sculpture. and when you are your own product, you're going to have to be willing to take the hit whether people like your product or not. i think that when you are the singer and the dancer and your song and dance is criticized the way that she was criticized, that's particular to the fact that she is her own product. i think she has a right to demonstrate he performance art in the way that she chooses to.

and i think if she chose to do it that way that's her business. >> femme is worldwide avaluable at streaming and downloads at www.femmethemovie.com. thank you both very much indeed. we're following to big stories tonight. mounting concerns tonight that a government shutdown could become a reality in washington just three days from now. the latest on the shutdown showdown that's coming up. but we begin with breaking news. the phone call that's making history. president obama called iran's new president hassan rouhani as he was heading to the airport in new york after his united nations debut. their conversation lasted about 15 minutes and ended more than three decades of silence at the highest level between the u.s. and iran. here's what president obama had to say about it. >> the two of us discussed our ongoing efforts to reach an agreement over iran's nuclear program.