money. at this hour, no deal looking likely. we will show you some images of a fraction of what will be affected here, national parks, museums being prepared to shut down. that's unfortunate. the toll unacceptable on thousands of family, including military, who won't be paid or will have their paychecks delayed. so many are living paycheck to paycheck already. we will hear from them coming up. we will be pressing congressional leaders on why they cannot reach a deal there the dow jones futures are already diveing this morning. down triple digits on fears of what a shutdown can bring americans are sounding off, probably no surprise they are not happy. in a brand-new cnn poll, 68% say a shutdown is a bad thing. even if it's a bad thing. are these officials acting like spoiled children is one question? the republicans face plenty of blame. there is plenty of blame to go

around if washington. we will break down these numbers. we have a team of reporters covering all of the angles. let's begin with brianna keeler. the house has sent a bill over the weekend. it's one the senate is almost certain to reject. what do we know now? >> that's right, kate. the senate is expected to take that bill the house passed and dismantle it in barring some unexpected break through, we are on the fast track to a government shutdown. >> this is the old football strategy. >> reporter: house republicans rallied on the steps of the capitol, calling on the senate to come back to work. inside, a ghost town. not long after the house gop passed a bill in the early morning hours sunday. >> a motion to reconsider is laid on the table. >> reporter: it funds the government but delays obamacare for one year, now just hours to go before a dead lean for a deal the first government shutdown in

17 years seems all but certain. the blame game in full swing, with republicans on preemptive damage control. >> so far, majority leader harry reid has essentially told the house of representatives and the american people, go jump in a lake. >> he is saying 100% obamacare or the highway t. president is saying, i will shut down government if you don't give me everything i want on obamacare. >> they argued, they budged, demanding it be delayed after initially voting to defund it altogether. senate representative harry reid won't put this latest house bill up for a vote. sunday president obama spent the time with his team at the white house, threatened to demeasure any fund that delays or defunds obamacare. >> let me repeat it, it's not going to happen. >> he will send it right back to the house him meanwhile, the house is clicking towards

midnight when a government shutdown would close national parks, furlough hundreds of thousands of federal workers and stall new passport locations. there was one possible agreement, a repeal on a medical devices included in a bill this weekend. a top democrat said he was opened to the measure but not with a shutdown looming. >> i am willing to look at that. not with a gun to my head. not with the prospect of shutting down the government. >> now, we have a couple chances to hear from paub. today he will be meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. there will be cameras there in case he wants to say anything, he has made it clear when tinkering with obamacare, it is a non-starter. >> it's bad for people. that's all we know for sure. everything else is a mystery, we will hopefully unravel for people this morning him we do have brand-new cnn polls that break down the way you think

about the shutdown. let bring in cnn's national correspondent john king. narrowly, john, we want to show the polls to the people. here i think poem get it. we will actually do these polls this morning for the politicians. so what do they ned to see in the numbers? >> well, they need to see the american people, chris, don't leak this idea. they need to see, polarized america. your views on politics affect your views on the shutdown. look at this. seven if ten americans say it's a bad thing to shut down the government even for a few days. seven in ten americans say a bad thing in ten days. look at this it jumps to 79% if that shutdown were to last a few weeks. so by and large, don't think about it. the american people think this is a bad idea. however, when you break it down by party, you do see polarized america. almost then in ten democrats say a bad idea to shut the government down a few days. republicans are divide. four in ten say it's a good thing, independents six in ten say it's a bad thing. of course, if you are a democrat

horrible, independent bad, republicans much more divided on this, your views of the tea party affect your views, look at this, investigation% of tea party supporters say it's a good thing. nine in ten people who oppose the tea party say, no, that's a horrible thing. here, of course, is the defining question, if we come to it. if that countdown clock ticks down to zero. who is more responsible? republicans in congress are more responsible if you ask in our poll? 36% of americans say the president is more responsible. 13% of americans blame both. again, chris, let me show you this as we continue the conversation, your views on politics, your partisan views affect your shutdown. 77% of democrats blame republicans in congress. 66% of republicans blame the president. the middle of america independence, pretty evenly divide on who is more responsible. the president has the upper hand

politically right now. not by any great margin as that clock techs down. >>ing the that those in congress recognize they can't lose much more credible with the people. right? they are probably accepting they are fought leaked right now. they are probably also accepting they can fix the shutdown t. big concern, you tell me this momentum carries us up to october 16th when they start playing with something they can't fix. the debt ceiling. once that's broken, the country has unfixable problems. the question becomes, where does itcake take us between now and then? >> there is another question as well. you used the word "broken." people believe our system is broken. when you look at the polling footballs, the disgust for this town is striking. has the president acted leak a spoiled child? this is among independents, 53% of independents say the president has acted like a spoiled child. how about how about congress? look at this number here.

69% of independents. those in the middle of the country are disgusted with everybody in congress. the democrats in congress don't fair that well either. where do we go from here? here's one of the reasons republicans feel like they have some moral standing in this debate, 57% of american dos oppose the health care law. let's be careful about that. because a slice of americans oppose it 11% because they don't think it's lethbridge ral enough. on the defineing question, should you shut the government down to get your way on health care? six in ten americans say it's more important to keep the government opened than to shut it down on the health care fight. >> john, appreciate you going through the numbers, the misspoiled childrenment you know as a parent, the way you get kids to do what you want thoem them to do, consequences if they do the wrong thing. reward them for doing the good thing. i wonder if that is what will happen here. >> fortunately, analysts say what will impact change, if they will do their job is if the

markets react and if the economy goes ahead. we do know when it will happen, what people think about it. what will a shutdown mean for you? christine romans is here to explain what will happen if the government starts going dark. >> this is how you would feel a shutdown, no question. a few things you will notice immediately. all national parks, museums will close no visits to venus like the stash dhu of liberty, independence independence hall the washington monument. many offices and programs will go dark. interesting, it could very well be the jobs report on friday. maybe we won't get it. non-essential workers will be sent home with no pay. numerous projects will be delayed. remember, you got an economy right now that is very tied to government spending and government contracts, so that could have a rip him effect across pane street. what will remain opened? federal courts have enough resources for ten days. passports offices will remain

opened. they closed in the last shutdown, they will remain openedch not passport offices if federal buildings. so be careful where you go to get your passport or renewed. border protection, department of defense is opened. power grid maintenance, essential banking functions, all of that stays opened. social security, medicare and jobless checks, those will be paid. mandatory spending. you will get your direct deposit on your social security. by the way, mail stays opened. neither rain, sleet, or your own government can shut down the mail system. it doesn't rely on tax dollars tore day-to-day service. food stamp, debit card, the bad news, you still have to pay your taxes, right? you pay your taxes and members of congress who are apparently essential government employees, they will be paid in the shutdown. so you have members of congress who aren't doing their job will be paid for dock their job that they're not doing. how is that? talk about congress. >> mail is going to be going,

passport offices, though confusing, they will keep going. >> yeah. >> military will stay on the job, though, they could not be paid until later. social security checks will still go out. you could still feel this and quickly about right in your 401k. >> right now, we have futures down t. markets, look, worry on the eve of something that hasn't happened in cell phone years at a time when the economy isn't all that strong. it's bad news, it's a huge waste of time for all those people working in deposit. anybody who is working for the go. earns paper for the government. even home loans, fha-backed home loans, those could stop. i think there are 60,000 of those a month. so it could hurt the housing market. a huge waste of time. even if they're making a point, it hurts the economy, it hurts confidence. >> thank you for laying it out, tow. disdepressing when you lay it

out. we have to take it. that itself where we are right now. there are a lot of other news developing at this hour. let's go straight to mikalah. >> the shut down is our focus. no one survived when a business jet crashed at a santa monica airport sunday t. twin engine cessna went off the runway, went no that hangar, burst no flames. right now, we do fought know houm how many people were inside the jet nor inside the hangar. we know the plane carries airplane between 7 and 9 passengers. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will sit down with the president. the situation with iran. her, pressed return. they believe it's to stall for time while they develop nuclear weapons. he is meeting with john biden and sex john kerry. amanda knox back under the

spotlight. her retrial is under way now in florence, italy. she and her exboyfriend were accused of killing her roommate. they ordered a retrial. knox will not be in the courtroom. but we will have much more later on in our show. pull lizzer prize winner, hirsch druming up aing boork telling the "guardian" newspaper not one word of the navy seal operation is true. hirsch is hinting the obama administration may be withholding information. spoiler alert, the "breaking bad" finale aired last notice t. episode certainly has been a hot topic online. the hashtag good-bye breaking bad trending on twitter ahead of the finale. that finale received widespread spra iz from critics.

we will let you see on your dvr on your own. did you see it? did you stay up late? you couldn't. >> you know it was a big deal within i was saying online where you can watch the "breaking bad" if i fael. >> it was a balancing act for them. one of the reasons "braking bad" is so huge, it's non-tra dimpblt it's a non-traditional network. i wasn't supposed to be a beg deal. i wonder if the developer was leak, mike, dpod, what do we do in kansas? >> i love within they go on top. >> it's a spinoff? >> it's going to turn out that the new person who gets into like this shady business deal isn't going to be a teacher, it's a meteorologist, which is an odd take on things. >> i'll haveing a total blond moment. it was only made as a spoiler. >> you heard meteorologist. >> then i'm look i got this. this is something that you see that often. tacoma, washington. they have so much to worry

about. they had the manholes exploding. some were shooting as high as 20 feet in the air. what happened? there was a huge storm in the pacific northwest. it pumped in all this moisture off the coast lean. that's what they have been dealing with. in fact, it will still be in the forecast. we are talking between two to four inches of rain. portland one to two inches of rain still possible. this is a tough storm t. winds are gusting as high as 75 miles per hour. another day or so in the forecast. it should clear up. the other reason is a huge temperature contrast in the pacific northwest. for the rest of us, what are we looking at? a front through the mid-west into the northeast. here's the upside. the reason for that, you can tell it is breaking apart. it is dissipating. it is not going to be a rain-maker. temperatures will stay mild and beautiful, we are still loving this. a lot of beautiful weather in the 70s and '80s. so thank you for not spoiling

that for me. i might have had a heart attack. it was a great weekend of weather. >> thank you so much. coming up next on if you day, we heard about e-mail and phone data collected. the new information we have is coming out about what they're doing with it. how far has the tracking gone and why is the nsa looking into who you are connected to on facebook? we will answer those questions ahead. as we try to figure out what the shoutdown will mean, are you looking at members of the military,er that families back here. we heard the house had passed 423 to nothing. is it going to work like that? we'll let you know. . >> i would like to tell the leaders in washington to try to cooperate a little more and try to compromise. i think the country is tired of all the bickering and all of ofp

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>> welcome back to "new day." the new details in the nsa program were published in the new york times. they're adding fuel to growing concern over prive seas. cnn's pamela brown joins us with more information people need to know. >> the new york times saying since november 2010, the nsa has been checking data to unlock as many secrets as possible about certain american citizens who officials believe pay have a

link to foreign spell jens interests. as one privacy expert put it, it is a digital equivalence of tailing the suspect. the nsa isn't only tracking metadata from your phone calls and e-mail logs, it is using that information to create a sophisticated web of some u.s. citizens, documents leaked to the fork times. >> we assume as americans if somebody, if the government is locking at your information, it's because they have a reason because you are suspected of a crime. >> reporter: this presentation shows how analysts use software to create diagrams to chart a person's social ties, locations at social times, their traveling companions and other personal information. according to documents leaked by a former government contractor edward snowden. the policy shift intended to help the agency discover and track when there is a link between an intelligence interest overseas and a u.s. citizen, the nsa can draw material from

facebook profiles, gps location information, insurance information and property records and public and commercial sources to better analyze american's phone and e-mail locks. >> now we know from these leaks this is how the government is operating, that there is a much broader swath of people that americans are included in this mix. >> reporter: in a statement the action says we know there is a false perception the nsa reads the phone calls and e-mails of every day american, aiming to unlawfully monitor or profile u.s. citizens. it's just not the case. they say a person's individual data is analyzed only when there is a foreign intelligence jifgs. some arc you the nsa efforts are keeping americans safer, critics say the latest disclosure is yet another example of how the nsa is infringeing on american's privacy. >> americans assume a right to a certain kind of privacy. that usually starts at the door

to their home. >> the locate does not say how many have been involved in wrong-doing according to new york times. in the wake of these recent disclosure, president obama has ordered a review of the nsa's under surveillance policies. >> more and more information coming out. all right, pamela, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we want to hear your thoughts on this. tweet hashtag new day. let us know what you think. >> if you are angry, make sure it's to -- >> exactly. >> coming up next on "new day," a few disaster on the river tems, a duck tour boat burst into flames. passengers leaping into the water to survive. how dangerous are these rides? >> that image also a metaphor for what is going on in our government. now we are showing you images of people we want to be hurt the least, members of the military and their family by this government shutdown t. house passed a resolution you family

to protect them. but will it happen? we don't know and we'll tell you why. throughout the morning, you will be hearing the voice of the american people on what might happen in washington. >> i'm just completely amazed it's come to this they need to get together, the republicans and democrats and find a solution here before people like police officers, firefighters, are without a check. >> stop treating politics like a team sport. try to solve problems for all of us than pleasing the guys on your side and if your party. .

[ music playing ] >>. >> welcome back to "new day." september 30th. the final countdown to a government shutdown. at mid-night, funding stops, work furloughs begins for thousands of federal workers. note, members of congress will still get paid counted as essential workers, exempted from obamacare as well the law they are fighting about. >> that said, we will break down the shutdown, how it will impact you. >> taking a look at this morning, dozens of tourists

forced to jump overboard on a duck tour bet if london. now, some critics are calling for all duck tours to be shut down. we will have a full report ahead. a lot of news for you this morning. let go to mikaela for the top stories. >> there are no swoifrs after a when the enjen plane crashed in california. the plane was en route from idaho when it went off the runway during landing, the local captain calls it an unsurvivable crash. authorities do not know how many people were aboard. they can't get into the hangar because of damage. a former military pile with 50 years experience behind the controls killed after being hit by a helicopter spinning blades. the 59-year-old was refueling in a pennsylvania town fair fridayment he left the chopper but re-entered to talk to his relief pilot when he was hit by the rotor. chicago police arresting a fifth

suspect for a pork shooting earlier this month. 22-year-old david logan now faces charges of unlawful use of a weapon and obstructing justice. police believe the shooting was gang related. the navy roc b.c. at columbia university today after 44 years. it was banned from campus in fine 69 during the vietnam war. columbia had a change of heart after don't ask, don't tell was repealed. school officials say more than 600 school veterans are enrolled. check this out, two motorists up close and personal with waterspouts. five of them. they are out fishing for lobster off the coast of marathon when they came face-to-face with these twisters. they stared right into them. they can be deadly. hello, however, johnson is a veteran charter boat captain. she says he's done it twice before, only when conditions were ripe. i'm sure their wife's will argue they were not the right

conditions. >> honey, we're driving towards the waterspout again. >> are you paying the insurance? >> yes. >> have fun, honey. >> right. but, man, oh, man, there you go. >> you've had that conversation. >> ride faster, towards the waterspout. >> a little bit. just kidding. let's move now to our political gut check. an important oun one today, unless congress reaches an 11th hour dole, the federal government will shut down in less than 18 hours. how will it impact your bottom line? what's the fallout for politician on both sides of the aisle? joining me is cnn global analyst and assistant editor of "time" magazine and political analyst and executive editor of "the daily beast" two of my favorite people with the longest titles i have ever met. great to see you. john, first you, i think it's the question of the day, do you think there is still time for congress to hammer out a dole before they hit? >> obviously, the clock is literally ticking, but there is

a lack of urgency on capitol hill. the senate doesn't even convene. >> we feel it here. they feel it there, too. there is for the negotiations. >> not so much. there is no active progress towards a solution by midnight right now. no doubt there will have to be volleying, something back and forth. at some point, you need to race against the clock. >> so try attempting to be optimistic this early morning. >> i wesh i could help you. >> if there is an 11th-hour dole, if they can somehow do it, is it possible to avoid any and all negative check impact for americans? >> well, i have to say no, because if you look at the markets over the last now day, they're already jittery. markets should actually be up right now. because the federal reserve has been pouring a lot of money into the economy to try and make that happen. but we saw one day jump after the fed announced it was going to keep pouring money in. then off the back of all this worry in washington, markets got

jittery again. in asia, they're already down. think the impact is there. their question, is it going to keep rolling out into the economy? a few days of shutdown could shave .2% off our physical growth. if it went on aen moth, 1, maybe 2%. >> that's an unnecessary impact. >> there are already forces acting against our economy. this unnecessary impact. let's talk about the costs, in general. political costs and economic costs. first, to the political costs, when you look at the latest polling, republicans in congress, they're going to face more of the blame for a shutdown when it's then the president will, 46% of republicans in congress will face the blame. republicans know this, this number might be slightly different than previous polling we had. it shows the same, gives the same message. if republicans know this, what itself the calculation? >> there is a lack of cal claegs. this is a charge into the bayonbroxtons. they have been forced to do it

by their own base. >> it is, those who support the tea party more support standing on principles. that's what we are seeing. >> is it principles or ideological absolutism? what is your end goal? what down you will achieve? you have the president and the democratic senate, any attempt to get a perfect solution a non-starter which is why on the sunday showings, they talk about excise, that's yauch about theing points, that's about spin. cya. >> are you not dealing just with the government shutdown, you have us coming up against the debt creeling a few weeks later. how does history inform where we are headed next? >> well, the fact that you got these two back-to-back events

that could eventually be coming down the pike is unprecedented. when you lock back to 1995, we had a brief shutdown. >> that shaved about a percentage point off of growth. 800,000 workers went home, furloughed, didn't get their pay. but if we were to go into a default on our debt, that would be a catastrophic event. we had a minor technical default in known 79, the work process used to deal with this stuff wasn't working. even that kicked interest rates up and resulted in about $12 billion of additional interest rate payments. so just that tiny little thing had that impact. if you get into a decided default, with eactually play with the trust in the u.s. deposit, that's a catastrophic economic event. >> that's why a lot of people on capitol hill are saying, bring it on. better the shutdown happen now than two weeks from now. maybe this gives us time to get it together before we hit the debt ceiling. >> that is definitely one way to

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. >> welcome back to "new day." a bill unanimously passed by the house could change that. it would guarantee military pay

even during a shutdown. remember how many of those families live paycheck to paycheck. but that bill still has to pass the senate. some military families say they are worried about. that barra star is in washington with that story. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, chris. you know, thousands of civilian workers at the defense department face furloughs, pay to the troops still under question. and that is just the beginning. for america's 1.4 million troops and their families, the shutdown means just one thing, pay checks could be delayed if a shutdown goes on for several days and that means doing without because of walk siva yen grown tree's husband is overseas while she works and looks after two young children. >> they spent a large amount of time for this morning speaking about what we would do if he didn't get paid and how we would react to that with our own finances and i know that's probably a conversation that has

had through e-mail texting and facetime, skype, the fill mary families all over the country. >> reporter: many live paycheck to paycheck. at fort campbell, kentucky, there is growing worry. >> there will be bills do you. you can't tell the electric dernlths hey, i got an iou. >> reporter: walk knows troops are unhappy. so the republican-controlled house passed a measure to keep paying the troops in the shutdown. the senate has yet to act. but for america's veterans, the outlook is more doir because of the other crisis, raising the debt ceiling before the government runs out of money. >> but if it goes longer than a few weeks, if congress can't get their act together, this could hurt millions of veterans who count on care an services. >> reporter: more than 3 million veterans receive disability payments. if there is no money, payments could stop. new claims won't be processed. and current payments still metro detroit arrive late.

>> it's what they node to pay rent, pay food. it's not their total income, but it is a significant part of it and taking that out of the mix because the government can't get its act together is really dangerous for these men and women who node it the most. >> reporter: so you probably can't say it often enough this morning. the troops on the front loins could see their paychecks delayed and millions of disabled elderly ill veterans could have their disability checks stopped cold. kate. >> all right. barbara, thank you so much. let's go around the world now, starting in rome, pope francis is making a big announcement for two previous popes. more on that with cnn's ben weidamen. >> reporter: the date has been set for the ceremony where the vatican will declare popes john paul 22nd and john 23rd saints. they represent two different

trends within the church. down xxiii was seen as a liberal reformer, pope john paul ii was a staunch traditionalist who stood up to communism. the ceremony is expected to draw hundreds of thousands of pilgrims to rome. back to you, kate. >> all right. ben, thank you so much. let's go to china now where it was not a bird, a plane nor a superman. it was a dare devil taking a wild ride through a narrow gap in a mountain. we have that story from hong kong. >> reporter: an american dare devil has pulled off a death defying stunt in china. jeff corliss flew through the small opening of a mountain rage of coin wearing a wing suit. he flew towards the gap the speed of 100 miles an hour. at its narrowest, it is 11.5 feet wide. the tiniest miscalculation would

have meant a disaster. he says it's the hardest thing he has ever done. no surprise there. >> talk about an adrenaline rush. 11.5 feet wide. >> amazing. the power of red bull. should have sent him down to d.c.. if i can make it through this little crack, can you? coming up on "new day," there is supposed to be amphibious fun. lock at the picture we are showing you. duck boats, riders on a tour in london wound up in the water. is this a one off or something we have to be concerned about going forward? a story we will take you through. we all love a good halftime show, don't we? once in a while it doesn't go as planned. wait, you will see our musical must-have moment after the break. i've had surgery, and yes, i have occasional constipation.

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. >> welcome back to "new day." we all seen these duck tours around. now, another safety incident is bringing the family fun into question. are the duck boats safe enough? "early start" anchor john berman is joining us more on this. >> this time the problem was in london. you saw those terrifying picture from the river tems, what had to be terrifying moments for dozens of people who really wanted to do sight seeing. they thought they were out for a nice boat ride.

but when the london duck burst no flames, 28 passenger and the crew took an unexpected plunge into the tems. some swam for their lives, others clinging to the boat's sides, even as the blaze took hold. fortunately, rescue crews were on the scone in minutes and no one was seriously hurt. in june, there was another duck boat sinking. this one in liverpool. >> the commonally between the na majority of these accidents with these duck boats have been mechanical failure. >> in 2010, it was a stalled engine that left a philadelphia duck boat stranded in the delaware river. passengers helpless as a 250 foot barge plowed over their boat, dunk some three dozen of them no the murky water from the boat was tossing, just basically instead of jumping out, the boats kind of rolled over. we tumbled out. >> reporter: two young tourists would not macit out alive. another tragedy in known 99 in

hot springs arkansas, the missed majestic sinking. >> you can see the water started coming in my nose, then i saw some light finally and then i saw a few people kicking their feet and when i got up, there was only a few of them there. >> reporter: 13 people drowned. the culprit, once again, mechanical failure. so what is the best way to stay safe out on a poet? safe boating america's cap taken richard warner ensifts research is the key. >> i think it's important before you make a decision on which tour operator to use as far as these duck boats are concerned is to do some research. >> cap taken turner says is to check a safety record online, check the accident history and maintenance in place i know it sounds like a lot. also, this is obvious, if you do

get on the boat, make sure you have access to a properly sized life jacket. even if you are not required to put it on, keep it within roach just in case. >> that was kind of my question, tow, you make a good point everyone says do your homework before you go on one of these tours. that's not the easiest thing to do. >> i have a hard time to think you will go online and check a maintenance record for a company. it feels like a lot to do. it may be a smart thing to do. >> thanks, john. >> appreciate it. >> remember, all throughout the morning, we want to hear your thoughts, let us know what you are thinking. all right. there you have it. >> before we take a break, i want to show you a must see moment of the day. >> we have been to halftime shows before. we seen the high school marching band. you haven't seen this happen, i don't think. they resemble of game of dominos. six players stumbled back on top of each other. that's what i wanted to point

out about this. it is about the recovery. we don't know the name of the school. they posted it anonymously. the fact that it happened at half type, they just marched on. >> that's a good metaphor for today. >> you did say, i think everyone would agree it's actually surpriseing this doesn't happen more often. >> they are walking backwards, with tubas. >> that's very funny, hold on, though, what's a sousaphone? sample we don't know if it's a you the ba or a souzaphone. >> experts, whole leave it to the viewers at home in the a-game. >> appropriately. >> check your maintenance recovered for people who use a souzaphone. >> check my maintenance record. >> coming up on "new day," your e-mails, phone calls, social networks, why is the nsa looking at your facebook friends?

startling new details about how far the under surveillance program goes coming up. of course the latest on the threat of the government shutdown, what would it mean for you and your family? are lawmakers trying to find common ground? we will have an update for you. first, here are some americans reacting to the shut down that should happen hours away and here's their message. >> please, you made your pointlet get on with the business of running the country and pass the budget. pass the debt limits and let us keep improving the economy. don't play games anymore, please. >> words fael me, really, that we got ourselves in this kind of a position where we can't compromise to the point we got to shut the government down. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations.

. >> enjoy the football game or want to know the single tip? just say peyton manning, wow! andy schultz joins us with more on this morning's bleacher's report. explain why that advice is the sound dollar. >> reporter: what can you say about peyton manning and the upon cos? other than wow? manning threw four more touchdowns in yesterday's proceedout win over the eagles. he now has sudden touchdowns, which is the most ever by a quarterback in the first month of the season. denver put up 52 points in yesterday's win. that's a franchise record. they're 4 and 0. up next for them, a trip to dallas to take on the cowboys. the put as trying to cope pace with the falcons.

tom brady and company aren't putting up record setting numbers, they continue to find way to the get it down. 4th down, under a minute to go. back to this matt ryan pass. put as get the win. they improve to 4 and 0. the falcons a big disappointment so far. they are 1 and 3. the bleach report.com t. last day of the regular season in major baseball. everyone is talking about the playoff possibility. that was until pitcher alvarez threw nine no hitting series. he got it. this wild pitch with the bases loaded scores the win for the marlins. alvarez gets his first career no-no. the third no-hitter of the major league season. 162 games was not enough to decide the teams for the post-season t. rays and rangers will play game 163 tonight. the winner of that game, guys, gets to play any wild card

playing game to make the playoffs. >> all right. >> very confusing. >> very confusing. that's why we have you. that's not our strong point. all right, andy, thank you so much. >> you hear the music. you know what it means, a quick round-up of the stories today. first up, mikaela in look in the papers, the l.a. times. spacex, the falcon 9 rocket into space in california. they help carry astronauts to the space station. a group helping the rising number of women armed with a gun arc well armed woman introduces women to target practice. he gets practice instruction on gun safety and self defence. time now for business fuse. >> wall street already making its pronouncement on the impending government shut down. knock it off, walk. investors try to figure out what confidence is already starting to fray at the seams.

apple looks at consumer behavior. we are seeing a cold front stretching from the ohio valley really all the way down through texas today. not expecting much out of it. maybe a little rain out towards louisiana. you can see on water vapor. it is dissipating as it makes its way to the east. from the nest to the southeast? for just? yes, easy enough to say that. i don't in jacksonville. 83, locks like the number for the day. atlanta. i don't for the day. gorgeous everywhere. >> thanks. we are now at the top of the hour, which means it's time for the top news. [ music playing ] >>. >> they tried to blame us. i got a titanium backbone. let them blame. let them talk. >> d-day the dead loin for a

deal to avert a government shutdown now mere hours away. neither side is budging. what are they thinking? the government could go dark tonight. we are pressing the country's leaders this morning. government facilities to close, hundreds of thousands of americans will either not get paid or have their paychecks delayed, including the military. what you need to know. new revelations on the nsa domestic spying program. just what the government foes about you and who you interact with and amanda knox back on trial right now in italy. >> your "new day" starts right no now. >> good morning, welcome to "new day," it's monday, september 30th. 7:00 in the east t. only clock worse than the alarm clock is the shutdown clock. take a look at this. 17 hours, less than that, inle the government runs out of

money. both sides seem to be saying, forget that constitutional responsibility to pass laws to fund the government. let's just take a pass on it this time. now, if the government does shut down, dozens of federal office, national parks and monuments could close, leak the washington monument the smithsonian, the statue of liberty, more importantly, every day americans would feel the pain from furloughs to delayed paychecks. >> take a look at this cnn poll, 68% of americans think it will be a bad thing if the government shuts down, even a few days. take a look at this, the majority of americans think the president and congress are acting like spoiled. at this rate, is there anyway to get out of this mess in time? we will be talking to members of congress about why more isn't being done to avoid the nightmare scenario. we will be covering this story with reporters on every angle. let's get started with senior

white house correspondent. brianna keeler. they are likely to reject it. so, what now? >> reporter: that's right, kate the nat is expected to take up and promptly dismantle what the house passed this weekend. so barring some unexpected break through, we're on the expressway to a government shutdown. >> this is the old football strategy. >> reporter: house republicans rallied on the steps of the capitol, calling on the is thatt to come back to work. inside, a ghost town. not long after the house gop passed a bill in the early morning hours sunday. >> a motion to reconsider is laid on the table. >> reporter: it funds the government, but delays obamacare for one year, now just hours to go before a deadline for a deal the first government shutdown in 17 years seems ul but certain. the blame game in full swing, with republicans on preemptive damage control. >> so far, majority leader harry reid has essentially told house

of representatives and the person people, go jump in a lake. >> he is saying 100% of obamacare or the highway, the president is the one saying i will shut down government if you don't give me everything i want on obamacare. >> reporter: they aurked, they budged, demanding the president's health care program be delayed after initially voting to defund it altogether. but senate democratic leader harry rode won't put this latest house bill up for a boat and president obama met sunday afternoon with his economic at the white house has threatened to veto of any measure that delays or defunds obamacare. >> let me repeat it. that's not going to happen. >> reporter: the senate is expected to strip out the obamacare delay and send it right back to the house. tlflts one area of possible agreement, a repeal of a tax on medical devices included this weekend a. top democrat said he was opened to the measure but not with a shutdown looming. >> i am willing to lock at that. not with a gun to my head.

not with the prospect of shutting down the government. >> reporter: now, there are two chances for us to see and to hear from president obama today. he will be meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he also has a cabinet meeting. there will be cameras at both events if he wants to say something. he has made it pretty clear when it comes to changing his signature health care reform program and in any significant way. that's very much a non-starter for him, chris. >> all right, brianna, thank you for the reporting. of course, the elected officials are reflecting what their constituents are telling them, right? cnn has new polls that break down the way you, the voters, think about the shutdown and the people behind it. here's a hint, they do not reflect the way you feel about the situation. cnn chief correspondent john king is here. the phrase spoiled children is used in the poll. i think it might be an insult to spoil people all over the country. >> the fifth grade may sue us for slander.

zo on so many question our country is evenly dwoid. not on this one. we asked people, why don't we shut down the federal government for a few days. look at this. 7 in 10 americans say that would be a bad thing. it's possible it could go on because of the gridlock for a few weeks. what do americans think about that? it's hard to get 8 in 10, 17% of americans say a bad thing. but these are national numbers. remember, they say all politics is local. not all politics is national. who is driving this strategy? 40 to 50 of the most conservative members of the house. if you look at right here, watch this one here. i want to break this down, take you to the tea party. 56% of tea party supporters say it's a good thing to shut down the government. these are the folks those most conservative members of congress are talking to. they think they're on safe ground even though nationally this thing is a non-starter. you have to remember that as we go forward. so who is responsible? if that clock ticks to zero?

if the government shuts down, who will you hold responsible? nearly half say they hold republicans in congress responsible, 13% on both your house, they would blame both sides. if you break this down, i will do this by your views of the tea party here. 76% of the tea party supporters say it's the president's fault. 80% blame republicans in congress. now you heard in brianna's piece, republicans often say, the american people are with us. well, they're right to a degree. 57% of americans oppose the health care law known as obamacare. this is a correct am zijs when you hear republicans say majority opposed, remember this, 11% of the opponents say they didn't go far enough, kate, i don't know how your math skills, are here's the defining question, what is more important for congress to, do avoid a shutdown, block the health care law, six in sen americans say keep it opened. >> that number speaks for

itself. >> it's an important number. everything you laid out will layout how complicated this is. the motivation and who supports what, it's kind of tearing the parties apart. very interesting. we will come back to you. so the shutdown could be just hours away, but what will it really mean for you from your social security checks to whether you get your mail on time. christine romans is here the lay all of that out for us. >> good morning. the government shutdown will affect you directly. a few things you will notice immediately. all national parks, zoos, museums would be closed. if you are camp income a park right now, you got about two days to pull up stakes and go home. many federal offices and programs go dark. non-essential workers will be sent home with no pay. we think that's 825,000 people. numerous government projects will be delayed do you to extensive furloughs. what will remain opened? key here federal courts, about ten days they are operate.

passport offices will function. those are also funded by fees. they will stay opened unless they're in a federal building. air traffic control border protection. departments of defense, the correct, al function stays opened. the power grid, that i will maintain it. critical essential banking functions will continue. there are some regulators who will be sent home. comforting news, jobless benefits, those will go out. those are mandatory spending. postal service continues. people relying on food assistance, you will get food stamps. bad fuse, you will have to pay your taxes, members of congress will get paid in a shutdown. will you have to pay your taxes. you will feel this, no question, but congress who is not doing its job and sending the government into a shutdown will get paid for not doing its job. how is that, chris? >> it's not so good. let ask members of congress. is there any chance they will come together to stop a

shutdown? joining us now is republican congress woman and debbie wasserman schultz, chairman of the democratic national committee. thank you both of you for joining us. let's start with that first question, members of congress in a shutdown still get paid? is that right and if you were not going to get paid, you'd think there will be less chance of a shutdown? >> i will say that i am confident that the government is not going to shut down. that's the last thing that we need. i don't want to give the government check b.c. to barack obama. >> that is exactly what will happen. obamacare will continue oget fund and he will be able to pick and choose what he continues to fund. >> all right. what about you guys getting paid through the shutdown if there is one? do you think that that is right? >> this again, i think the question is moot. we are not going to shut down the government. i think debbie would agree, that

would be a worst case scenario. >> well, then, i do agree with you, renee and all we have to do is have the republican leadership when the senate bill comes back to the house today without any exstrainious already settled matters, we should make sure that we pass a clean cr, keep the government running and then as obamacare is implemented, when there are problems, we no will arierkz nothing goes perfectly smoothly, we node to sit down and work out and hammer those problems together. >> that is what has been done for 200 years t. problem they have been pursuing is irrampblt it makes no sense, it jeopardizes our commitment all they have to do is speaker beaner has to allow the house to work its will not have a majority of republicans approve what comes on the floor the majority of the house of representatives. we could get 218 votes if a bill comes on the house floor today in a minute.

everything would be okay. we would move on and separately discuss the other things that we don't agree on. >> so is that going to happen? what's the chance that happens? >> i think we have a very good chance. i think we all want to sit down and work this issue out. we have many issues pending. as you know, tomorrow, the exchanges for obamacare will be starting. this is a significant issue for us and one that we pursue the delay because we know that it isn't ready to go. we know the american people are not going to debt what they were promised. so this is the issue. now, however, we've got to make sure the federal government is opened. so we're going to do just that. we are going to work with those across the aisle in order to achieve it. >> do you think that you will put through a bill to fund the government without any attachments to it? do you think there is any chance of that? >> i'll tell you, i don't know what it will look like. it will probably be wrong for me to spec l.a. we got to get this resolved so we can move forward. one of the things i port is the

american health care reforming a, which will take care of the issues with health care moving forward. those are the positive moves we node to be making. we need to be locking at that debt ceiling. there is much we can do. if we work together, we can achieve it. >> how willing are the democrats to do some kind of compromise here instead of just watching this implode into the shutdown? >> you know, what we're willing to do is make sure that we pass a clean continuing resolution. i sit on the appropriations committee, chris, a continuing resolution is just that. you continue the government's functions while we work out budget-related matters, to make sure that we can keep the government functioning. we don't attach extrainious measures. we don't block, we don't put employers as the republicans did the other night in charge of access to contraception. that was a little watch provision that they added back to the continuing resolution. they want to delay the

implementation of obamacare, including whether or not people with preexisting conditions will be dropped or denied coverage by their insurance companies. what does that have to do with whether or not national parks stay opened or whether or not headstart programs, kids can go to headstart programs. my good friend, renee, i hope you go back to your colleague, encourage them when the bill comes back clean, let's pass it. as issues arise with the implementation of obamacare, we should sit down and work those out, i know we can do that. >> if that's your condition the bill has to be clean, you are basically saying you are not going to get a bill, as you know, representative, as cooperative you are in this interview, nobody in the loadership on your side is saying, we will fund obamacare? who is saying that other than you? >> well, i will tell you the main objective here again is to keep the federal government going him we know where the issues are. if it's just a simple three

month cr, where worry keeping the federal government going, we're keeping the checkbook out of barack obama's hand and the damage that can be done there, that's our objective. the real issue here is the debt ceiling negotiation. that's going to be the most important piece and let's get america back together and debbie to your point about pre-existing conditions, we want to cover preexisting conditions as well. your side cut off the pool money so that you could advertise for obamacare. i too inthat amazing. >> let's end it on this notion, yes, no, on it. representative ellmers can you say you know any bill will come through the house that doesn't involve obamacare but involves funding the government? >> i believe we are confident in the idea we will keep the federal government going. it's wrong for me to speculate on what it will lock like. >> so no answer from you. on the democrat side, if a bill comes through, it is checked in

some way to obamacare, will you act on that at all? >> we don't control what happens in the house of representatives. what i can tell you is that a bill should come back from the united states senate without anything related to obamacare to keep the government functioning, to make sure that we don't hamper our economy and hold the economy hostage and the republicans have the ability to put it on the house floor and allow 218 members to vote on it together and make sure that we can keep the government functioning and two points on the debt krielig, that that's even worse. so the next fight is we're going to be arguing over whether or not we hold the economy hostage an not pay the nation's billsings jeopardizeing the full united states all in the name of the republicans being hell bent on stopping everyone in america from having health care, which is irrational. >> which is why i have to ask you, is there any bill that the democratic party will entertain right now to get the government back? >> we should pass a korean cr.

that's what will come back from the senate. the ball is in the republican's court. no, we will not associate jeopardizeing the economy with whether or not everyone in america is going to have access to health carest that's irrational and irresponsible. >> the conversation here is relatively polite. it does not seem as though will is consensus. i hope you guys can figure it out f. you stay this way getting into the debt ceiling, you can do things that you cannot fix. i hope you are aware of that. every poll says that, every common sense should tell you that as well. >> let's see what the senate comes back to us. >> it is coming back clean. we node to take it up, pass it, move on, enough already. >> please, don't take up any more of your time. we appreciate you being here on 80 new day.". >> all right. you hear it there. you have to do a little reading of the tea leaves, obviously, you understand the issues. tell us your thoughts. that's how congress is going to hear your voice effectively

right now. tweet, use the hashtag "new day." you can do it individually. we hope you do it as soon as possible. there is a lot of news in addition to the shutdown. let go to mikalah for the latest. >> chris, thank you, catch fire officials calling this an unsurvivable crash. a plane slams into a hangar and bursts into flames t. hangar, itself, collapsed, thus preventing firefighters from entering it. we don't know how many people were inside the plane carries 7 to 9 passengers. about two dozen eng noers and xhem chemists face 100 degree heat, a civil war and tight, tight deadlines. u.n. security council resolution calls for plans and equipments to be destroyed by november 1st. an all chemical weapons to be destroyed by the middle of next 84. israeli president benjamin

netanyahu will be delivering a warning at the white house today, don't trust iran. the israelis want to tighten sanctions, not ease them. they say it's the only way to keep iran from developing nuclear weapons. >> back here at home, no motive to a louisiana pastor. the alleged gunman a former church deacon. they say he shot pastor ronald harris twice with a shotgun in front of several dozen worshipers, including the pastor's wife. police say he later told them where to find his weapons. he is in jail on murder charges. we want to leave you with something sweet, a wedding proposal t. coach of the cleary cheer leading team. they got into the act. he popped the question on the field during halftime of the football game. she said yes. i just love it. we've had a lot of team spirit today. we show you the tuba.

the souzaphone the cheerleaders. >> we arying to balance the lack of team spirit in washington. >> thank you. >> it all comes full circle. also, i believe men do a very smart job of make sure they say yes by presenting the question in front of a crowd. >> the witnesses. >> the whole shebang, i love that. >> insurance. >> there you go, an insurance policy. there is no insurance with weather, though. >> i am so with you on that. so many people said, yes. this is tacoma, washington. it shows you how much rain was in the pacific northwest. there was so much the man holes literally exploded. somerset reportedly going 20 feet high in the air. record rain in portland and seattle. thanks to this upper level low off the coastline. it brought storm after storm to the area this weekend.

unfortunately, there is more rain in the forecast today. not just a little bit. talking about two to four inches on the border line, back through seattle today. of course the winds are gusting high with this thing as well. the reason for that. this is a cold system, not only bringing rain but cold temperatures. you get the warm air east of denver,io degrees. we see those strong wednesday. they report winds as high as 75 miles per hour over the weekend. that was the west coast. what are we expecting today? anywhere from ohio valley through texas. a front starting to make its way east. it is dissipating. almost hard to find here. a couple sprinkles out of this guy. pretty much the big story, it is. beautiful weather, 70s, looking for '80s today. hey, it gets better. >> no story a good story. >> thank you, deed ra. >> i'm looking forward to any good weather. i'll take it.

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>> welcome back to "new day," everyone, let's go straight to mikaela for the top news. >> we are watching that clock count down the minutes. right now we want to bring you up to date. a business jet going off the raun runway sunday, slamming into a hangar an bursting into flames. the hangar, itself, collapsed. right now, we do not know how many people were inside but the plane does carry anywhere from 7 to 9 passengers. the father of a man stabbed to death near san francisco's at&t

park wants answers. he is pleading for witnesses to come forward. jonathan denver was killed last week a few blocks from the park after police say the dodger's fan got into an altercation with a group of giants fans. a suspect, michael montgomery, claims self-defense. he was released from jail over the weekend. the da is now asking police to investigate further. litigation over the bp oil spill continuing with a focus on how he capped the well into the gulf of mexico. attorneys for the plaintiff say it could have been capped quebecer. bp says it was prepared to respond the proceedout presented unforeseen challenges. it took bp 86 days to stop that spill. new information about the couple that won bacchus stowed of their daughter verne car, they want the girl's boy logical father and the cherokee nation to pay their legal expenses. he used the act.

the court returned her t. sides fought for more than two years. alex rodriguez fwins the appeal of his 211 game suspension today. he'll go before an arbitrator arguing he doesn't deserve the suspension for doping. he allegedly used a florida drug clinic, recruiting other players and lying about it. he was allowed to finish with the yankees when he filed his appeal. kate, over to you. >> thanks so much. the countdown to midnight is on less than cell phone hours now until a potential government shutdown so can it by a voided? here is your breakdown. both sides of the debate, live on the hill on the left. republican strategist on the right. good morning, we were joking, we have about five minutes to fix this whole problem. here we go. anna, there is a lot of blame to go around in washington. but if you take a look at cnn's latest poll that we released

this morning. most americans will still blame republicans more than the president if the government shuts down. so what do republicans ned to do to avoid the blame if we can't avoid a shutdown? >> i think they all need to start by sitting down in a room, which has not happened, incredibly, you haven't had the house leadership and the president of the united states sit down in one room. >> why don't they see a benefit of sitting down the one room anymore? >> apparently, harry reid told the president he should play hard ball and there will be no negotiation. maybe a photo op. it's crazy, you wouldn't sell a house this way. i have never geeshtd budget, but i have bought and sold several houses, i tell you, i wouldn't hire these people to be my real estate agents. within are you negotiating a house purchase, you put all offers back and forth. you don't sit and say, for the negotiation. you know what happens, your husband sits on the market if you don't do back and forth

negotiations. i think it's ridiculous. can this by a voided? yes. you know, if a couple of them put their golf clubs down. the other comes back from nevada and there is will, they could pass a continuing resolution, a clean one today for a week or something while they work it out. but there's got to be a will to work it out. >> what can democrats do? it's really easy for the democrats and the president to say, we don't node to do anything, we can watch the republicans fight this out in their own party. >> that might be fun for democrats to watch. we're at crunch time now. we're about to see the government shutdown, what more can democrats do to avoid the shutdown? >> i'm not sure there is anything the democrats can do. i am very much opened to compromise, but at some point, you have to act knowledge certain things are non-starters. repealing the legislative accomplishment is not going to happen. that's a non-starter. >> let me ask you, i'm continuing to answer with this

in mind. it shows that the president's health care law continues to be unpopular. you have to be careful when you look at those numbers, when you look at those numbers, the number in the country. it shows the country is the pretty closer to more evenly split between opposing because it goes too far and because between supporting. so you see the country is more evenly split will. >> absolutely. >> nobody is talking about repeal og baum care right now. what they are talking about is delaying it. >> delaying it. >> we do not have that conversation now. >> i think that becomes a fawn starter, not just because exchanges begin tomorrow. because millions of americans health and economic policies would be compromised. it's not a reasonable place to start. you say if you were negotiating, if the starting point was, you have to include your grandmother in the house, you'd say no. fair enough, i don't. >> but republicans are saying, does this sound out of completely irrational?

republicans are saying, let's delay a program, which we all know has its problems. it is not ready for takeoff by six months, by a 84. let's eliminate the device the medical device packs. would it be unreasonable for somebody to come back and say, let's delay opalm care six months and cut the vice tacks by half? >> that's what reasonable people do when they're negotiating. >> first of all the republican party has done nothing. her to goal is to destroy obamacare. this is one last ditch attempt to do so. i have no reason to believe they would act in good faith. they haven't anywhere. even ted cruz says they don't act in good faith t. other thing is ultimately the president has said, i'm willing to negotiate on pieces of this, if you come to the table, we can do that t. only non-starter is taking obecame care off the table. that's problematic. >> let me ask this, let's work on reality.

what is the end game for republicans? what do you think republicans will eventually be able accept? >> i think there is going to have to be some delay of obamacare. i think the country is not prepared for it right now. if you take a look, there is really the democrats the administration has done a terrible job explaining and selling obamacare. most people have for the idea what it is that's beginning tomorrow. so would some delay be in the works? they keep delaying it themselves. they don't want to delay the republicans. >> i'm going to send you an e-mail in a few days once this goes through without any revisions to obamacare. democrats don't have to do anything, they don't have to accept a delay. a clean bill will come through, ultimately the house will have to accept it. that's reality. we have enough votes in the house to suggest they can when this. they will win this battle. >> even if democrats are wrong. >> the fit will roll right into the dent ceiling. it's a long toll.

>> for everyone there that's the ugly one. >> that is absolutely. >> if you don't think this is ugly, give us a few weeks. >> it's only september 3rd. >> good point. >> i think you guys are probably negotiating this out. thank you, always great to see you, thank you, guys. >>. >> the commentary on the people who decide to get in the government, versus the ones that stay out. why are the ones that stay out much more reasonable. italy takes another shot at amanda knox, she is not going back for the trial. why a 25-year-old takes a break from work for god. will she s. she quit. we have the full story for you behind what may be the coolest res ig nation letter to date. not a bad dance move. remind me of someone i know. i was made to work.

. >> welcome back to "new day." amanda knox is back on trial. she will not return to italy in her retrial of her roommate right now. knox was acquitted two years ago. that was overturned by italy's highest court. what's the latest? cnn is in london with more on what's going on. good morning, erin. >> reporter: good morning, chris, the hearing is largely procedural. they do not have the gun to examine in this case. two years after their acquittal at least in the eyes of the american prosecutors. amanda knox an her boyfriend stand responsible for the grizzly murder of 21-year-old meredith kaercher. the latest chaptner amanda knox's long legal battle begins today in florence, italy, with a

new appeals trial for the 2007 murder of his british roommate meredith kaercher. knox will not be in court for the retrial. concerned about returning to the country where she spent four years behind bars. >> i'm afraid to go back there. i don't want to go back into prison. i don't want them to all of a sudden do a court order when i'm there just respecting the court and going there and the prosecution ask i be put in preventative detention again. i was there four years. >> reporter: at 22-years-old, she was accused of brutally killing kaercher. >> that ruling was overturned in 2011 do you to lack of evidence. and she returned home to seattle. >> thank you to everyone who has believed in me. >> those cries in no way signal the end of the ordeal.

the court was overturned saying significant evidence was neglected, evidence that supported the prosecutor's theory knox an her then boyfriend killed kaercher in a twisted sex game gone wrong. >> what happened with supreme courts send the case back to the courts of appeal may be interpreted by the american authorities as double jeopardy twice tried for the same fact, the same case. in italy, it is not locate this. this is still the same trial. >> reporter: if convicted, knox will be ordered to return to italy. if she refuses, italy could request her extradition from the united states. while she won't be in court, knox says she'd be willing to take a lie detector test. >> i'd do anything to prove my innocence. i don't think that's necessary, but, locate i said, i'm doing everything i can to prove my innocence. i just think that it's very sad

that that is what it has come to. >> reporter: amanda knox is not the only one watching this from afar. her former boyfriend tells cnn he is currently in the dominican republic. as for meredith kaercher's family, they remain here in the united kingdom. you can only imagine how painful this all must be for them. chris, kate. >> thank you for the reporting. obviously, a different point for the boy, he's a citizen. double jeopardy, here you only get tried once for things. whatever happens, happens. the u.s. does not avail its citizens to extradition treaty where double jeopardy is not respected. as the local profess roar pointed out, the italian system is different for better or womplts you have standard of review up four, five levels. >> it's not as unusual as it appears here over will. >> legal experts say they don't

believe in this situation that the u.s. would send amanda knox back. but it is not a done deal. that's why there is so much anxiety from her, her family and those who care about her because, you know, she doesn't know what her future holds. >> she's not going anywhere near that country. she can do anything about it. that's for sure. coming up next on "new day," on the eve of the rollout of obamacare. what you need to know before signing up. >> signs of a thawing relationship ween the u.s. and eastern seem to have israel on edge, president obama meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. we will tell you what he will say to ease the fears of our allie. .

i wishing the people we elected in office would try to do their job, seems grandstanding to win votes rather than what's best for the country. >> i think it's another scheme to get us citizens worried and try to get us on board with an agenda we don't want. i think it's politicians' efforts to really just put their agendas through and not get their work done. >> welcome back to "new day." we are getting reaction, you heard there from everyday americans, as the countdown to the government shutdown approaches, and it's coming quickly as midnight ticks closer and closer. as we near that deadline another

is around the corner, the start of the president's health care law the so-called insurance marketplaces that you've been hearing about, that were set to tomorrow. questions remain, who is eligible and how does it all really work? tom forman is digging in to try to get you answers. >> hey chris, hey kate. after all the monumental changes to health care, if you already have insurance you may not see much change, because it's really about these 48 million people who are uninsured about half of whom will buy insurance through the health care marketplaces, 7 million by the end of the year, and so how can we imagine these marketplaces? imagine a store where you can buy one of four different insurance plans, bronze, silver, gold for platinum. if you buy at the lowest level what you would pay is a fairly

low premium but high fees when you go to the doctor's office. fairly high premium but low fees when you go to the office for platinum. this will not be the same state to state to state because local providers are involved. this part however will be the same, you should have no higher premiums if you get sick no matter where you live, no denial of coverage and no fees for preventative care, your kids get a vaccination, you get a ma'am dwram, husband gets a general physical you shouldn't pay for that. this is still nonetheless expensive and the federal government is trying to help people paying for it. if you make $46,000 as a year, $94,000 as a family of four they'll give you a refund to help pay for this. everybody is going to be involved. doesn't matter that you might live in one of these dozens of states that are decided they

want nothing to do with obama care. the federal government will run the health care marketplaces in your state and will you still have to get involved. if you don't, you're going to be fined, that's how it works and that's why it is decision time for people coast to coast. chris? kate? >> there are some people who will choose to pay the fine especially younger, healthy people instead of having to get insurance because it's cheaper over time, that's part of the complaint also. >> part of the calculation you need to consider. >> many are shouting what's happening in d.c. is a travesty of a sham or mockery or traveshamockery. >> that's what i was going to say. aside from the shutdown, you're looking at it right there, this is called history. phone call between president obama and iran's president broke 30 years of ice. israel says washington needs to slow down. why? more on that.

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republicans in the house have been more concerned with appeasing an extreme faction of their party than working to pass a budget. >> on the brink, the clock is ticking and congress isn't budging. if a deal isn't struck within hours the government will shut down tonight. we're tracking it all for you this morning. what it means, hundreds of thousands to go without pay, military families affected, national parks to close, and the

stock market already sinking. plus president obama has a tense meeting today with israel's prime minister, his recent overture to iran likely to be discussed and amanda knox back on trial in italy at this hour. we'll have the latest. >> your "new day" continues right now. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning and welcome back to "new day," everyone. it's monday, september 30th, 8:00 in the east, that means it's less than 16 hours from the united states government shutting down. if that happens there would be serious consequences for everyday americans from federal workers facing furloughs to military families who could be getting paid late and forget visiting national parks and monuments, sites like the statue of liberty, the smithsonian and the washington monument would be closed if the shutdown happened and the threat of a shutdown has people on edge much more. >> just a little bit of a window

into what could happen with the debt ceiling. the markets are hurting. you're looking at the dow futures right there and this is just for the shutdown. imagine if they do this with the nation's credit, might be unfixable by our friends down in washington. according to a new poll 6% of americans think it will be a bad thing, understatement, if the government shuts down even if it's only for a few days. the majority of americans think the president and congress are definitely not acting like adults. is there any way to avoid this looming disaster? that is the question we're going to cover, answered by every angle we can. we start with white house correspondent brianna keilar. the senate is expected to shoot down a spending bill this afternoon that delays obama care. then what? >> reporter: that's right, chris. the senate is expected to take up the bill the house passed and promptly dismantle it and here's the issue. barring some unexpected agreement here, we are on a fast track to a government shutdown.

>> this is the old football strategy. >> reporter: house republicans rallied on the steps of the capitol calling on the senate to come back to work. inside, a ghost town, not long after the house gop passed a bill in the early morning hours sunday. >> motion to reconsider is laid on the table. >> reporter: it funds the government but delays obama care for one year, now just hours to go before a deadline for a deal, the first government shutdown in 17 years seems all but certain. the blame game in full swing with republicans on pre-emempti damage control. >> so far majority leader harry reid has essentially told the house of representatives and american people go jump in a lake. >> he's saying 100% of obama care or the highway. the president's the one saying i will shut down government if you don't give me everything i want on obama care. >> reporter: they argue they've budged, demanding the president's health care program be delayed after initially voting to defund it all

together. but senate democratic leader harry reid won't put this latest house passed bill up for a vote and president obama, who met sunday afternoon with his economic team at the white house, has threatened to veto of any measure that delays or defunds obama care. >> let me repeat it, that's not going to happen. >> reporter: the senate is expected to strip out the obama care delay today and send it right back to the house. there was one area of possible agreement, however, a repeal of a tax on medical devices that was included in the bill republicans passed this weekend, a top democrat said he was open to the measure but not with the shutdown looming. >> i'm willing to look at that but not with a gun to my head, not with the prospect of shutting down the government. >> reporter: there are two chances for president obama at least so far in his public schedule today to perhaps make some comments about the shutdown. he will be meeting with president or i should say israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, he also has a cabinet meeting, there will be cameras

at both events if he wants to say something. he's made it very clear when it comes to tinkering with obama care and really any significant way, that it's a non-starter for him. kate? >> we'll see where things go today. brianna thank you so much. brand new cnn/orc polls that break down the way americans think of the funding fight. john king here to walk us through the findings. john? >> kate, the american people are sending an unmistakable message, they do not want this to happen. good thing or a bad thing to shut the federal government down for a free days, seven in ten americans say a bad thing to shut it down for a few days. what about the prospect of a shutdown going on for a few weeks, eight in ten say that would be a bad thing to shut the government down for a few weeks. these are national numbers. important to remember all politics are local. this strategy is being driven by 40 to 50 of the most conservative members of the house, four or five of the most conservative members of the

senate. they think they're on safe ground with the voters back home. look at this. views on the tea party. if you support the tea party, six in ten say it's a good thing to shut down the government, that is what is driving the conservative republicans saying it's okay, we want to defund or change the health care law, we're willing to shut down the government. that is what is driving their politics, the local numbers support of the tea party. nationally, who would be held responsible if the clock ticks down to zero, 36% of americans say the president responsible, nearly half says republicans in congress, 13% say both. if you look at the numbers, republicans at the moment would get more of the blame if the government shuts down. more responsible. if you break this down by party, big differences. democrats, eight in ten democrats almost blame the republicans in congress, nearly seven in ten republicans would blame the president. so again how you vote impacts what you think about this and here's why some republicans say we're on safe ground, we want to defund or significantly change

the president's health care plan. they say almost six in ten americans oppose the health care law but that number can be misleading. it is important to break it down and look at this, some of the opposition, 11% of that opposition is from people who think the health care law didn't go far enough, maybe they wanted a single payer or more liberal health care policy. remember, 11% say the president's health care plan was not liberal enough, which brings you to the defining question in this debate, what's more important, to avoid a government shutdown or block parts of the president's health care law? six in ten americans say avoid a government shutdown. that number speaks for itself. >> john, appreciate the breakdown. we know when it will happen and what people will think about it. what will a shutdown mean for you? christine romans will lay out what will happen if the government goes dark. >> chris, this is no way to run a country, no way to run a business, no way to run a government and would you feel the shutdown right away, national parks, zoos, museums would close, many federal

offices and programs will go dark, probably 825,000 federal worker also be sent home with no pay, numerous government projects delays due extensive furloughs. what will remain open? federal courts, resources for ten days, passport offices, visa issuing will still go forward, department of defense, even the power grid and central banking system functions stay open but there are regulators who will be sent home. social security, medicare, unemployment benefits, all of these things will still be paid out. food stamp and debit cards, those will be automatically reloaded. you're going to have mail, mail will still continue. the bad news, you still have to pay your taxes, even if the government shuts down, you pay your taxes even though your government isn't going to be there for you in some cases. through all of this also really important to note, members of congress will get paid through

the shutdown. members of congress whose job it is to run the country and the government will shut down the government and still get paid n case you're wondering they make about $174,000 a year. >> christine romans thanks so much. joining me to talk more about where things go from here in this fight, house republican who voted for the budget resolution over the weekend that would delay obama care for a year, congressman mike pompeo of kansas. >> great to be with you kate. >> you heard what christine was laying what this government shutdown would mean for the average american. the question to you is, what are you going to do because it seems it's every man for himself, what are you going to do to avoid the government from shutting down, avoid all of that from happening because you know you're a smart man. the senate is going to strip out all of the health care elements and send it back to you clean. >> well i appreciate the question because it's an incredibly important one.

the house of representatives worked all weekend and passed a couple amendments to the continuing resolution, one would delay the health care bill for a year and the other which would get rid of a medical device tax, which 79 senates, many democrats said they opposed. these are common sense, reasonable things that we can do and i have too tell you, kate, the senate didn't work this weekend, they went home. it was shocking. we finished 1:00 on the sunday morning and the senate slept. i find that arrogant beyond all possible imagination that you wouldn't come back and deal with the looming government shutdown on a day when the american people need you to be here working. >> let's talk what the poll numbers say. the new poll we have out this morning are telling. there is plenty of blame to go around in washington. we all acknowledge that but this morning, cnn/orc poll says more americans would blame republicans in congress than the president if the government shuts down. i know that you know that, so what do you say to them? >> i've seen data that's all

over the place, i heard some of the polling you all presented a few minutes ago. what i hear from folks in my district is we've already made enormous changes to the affordable care act. the president treats this today as a sacred text. he says we can't change a thing. i'm not even going to talk to you. i'll talk to a terrorist nation in iran but i'm not going to talk too duly affected officials in the house of representatives. we know this, there have been enormous changes. this president's already delayed big pieces of affordable care act for his friends, big business, his cronies. all we're asking is to delay the individual mandate that will affect low income people in kansas, delay it for a year. we're going to try to get the folks enrolled tomorrow morning. i'm going to try and enroll tomorrow morning, october 1st, try to get enrolled online. i wish every one of them good luck. it's going to be chaos, the president knows that and needs to talk to us to avoid the shutdown and avoid the chaos that the affordable care act

starting tomorrow will create. >> you say you're listening to constituents at home. we often hear lawmakers they are responding to the demands of their constituents and voters. john king this is a defining number in this fight, six in ten americans say it's more important for congress to avoid a shutdown than to make major changes to the health care law. your constituents may not like the president's health care law but there are many people, a majority of americans, six in ten are saying this is not the time to have that fight. are you listening to that? >> i am. i see that and i hear from constituents that have different views but in kansas' fourth congressional district i bet that data does not reflect the will of the folks i represent. more important than some polling data or something that we can all debate how the question was asked, what is important is that we engage in a reasonable conversation how to move forward. the president said he didn't like the idea of our defunding the affordable care act for a

year. now we're asking for a delay of a single year, the same thing he's done for major provisions and he says he won't engage in a conversation. he called john boehner on friday. i thought that was great news. he called to say "i'm not going to talk to you." this is how you end up in a place where government is going to potentially shut down. i've not talked to a single republican that is advocating on behalf of a government shutdown. we are here all weekend supporting it. i hope the senate and the president will work to make sure that does not happen. >> it would not be smart to advocate a government shutdown. are you confident that an 11th hour deal will be made and i will be talking to you tomorrow about how congress pulled it together and avoided a government shutdown? >> i hope we are. i hope tomorrow morning we're talking about how we were able to delay the affordable care act and keep government running for all over the country. i can't tell you how the next 16 hours are going to unfold. i hope we'll see at least the senate go to the floor and do some work.

>> they're in at 2:00. >> that's great. >> would you support a short term stop gap measure to allow for negotiations to continue just to get you through tonight? >> no, it's impossible. i voted for things like that before, if i thought there was a good outcome. we have to see how things unfold this afternoon. >> congressman, thank you so much, we'll be watching and everyone's hoping congress can come together and get this done. >> thank you, kate. >> we want to hear from you. we hear from lawmakers, tweet us at "new day" and let us know what you think about all of the news of the day. there is a lot of news developing at this hour. straight to michaela for the latest headlines. >> making news a fatal plane crash in santa monica, california, small business jet crashed into a hangar and burst into flames. unclear how many people were on board. officials say no one could have survived. the fire damaged three buildings. no word yet if anyone on the ground was injured. the plane had taken off from a resort town in idaho. new information this morning about what the nsa does with

e-mail and phone data it's been sifting through. the "new york times" says the agency has been tracking the connections of some citizens and knows where they are and whom they're traveling with at certain times. the social mapping has been gun on since 2010. no evidence of negligence or violations of protocol, the findings from an investigative report from the aryarnell fire arizona. the blaze was not survivable. it does not address why the hot shots left the safety of a previously burned troinlg rush into a bowl where they were ultimately trapped and killed. health officials from the central florida coast are warning people of a sea water bacteria linked to nine deaths. it covers volusia and flagler county. beachgoers with open wounds or broken skin should avoid swimming in warm saltwater and people who handle raw shellfish

should wear gloves and wash their hands. we want to show you a piece of video that has many of us grinning. this woman said peace out to her boss, she spelled out exactly where she was quitting. to do it she added her interpretive dance with kanye west in the background. it is not a joke or bank. we spoke to her and it's legit and her employer happens to be a taiwanese animation company. they told us she did in fact quit today. i'm guessing she's probably not getting a good-bye cake. >> she earned one. ♪ with those kind of moves? >> i like the moves. >> i kind of love the moves. >> i'm just telling you. >> now when you start dancing we need to be nervous. >> if i could dance like that i wouldn't be here anyway. i think she's probably taking her career in a different direction. >> we'll see. good one, though. get over to indra petersons, watching the forecast, any chance you come up with some type of storm that keeps the

politicians in d.c. locked up so they have to work? >> not so much. pretty nice on the east coast. i thought you were going to say can i dance, i was going to be don't even start with me right now. love this video, absolutely amazing, how much rain was in the pacific northwest this weekend, we're talking about the manholes exploding, three to five inches of rain, set daily records in seattle and portland thanks to a storm that's hanging off the coastline there, this huge mind you cold storm is bringing so much rain to the region, again we talked about the records, it looks like even in portland they set the record for september already for the amount of rain they have seen and more rain still on the way, another two to four inches between oregon and washington, still expected today and of course that's not the only side of this, it's cold temperatures and strong winds. look at the divide here, portland 59 and denver at 82. you get the two air masses close to each other and you get the strong winds. 75-mile-per-hour winds in the area, a lot of trees down and

power lines as well with that. that storm is still in the area. the other thing to watch today ohio valley, down through texas looks like this front continues to make its way to the east. it pretty much is dissipating. maybe a couple light sprinkles but overall the story on the east coast is gorgeous and yes, everyone in washington is enjoying 83 degrees and sunshine but hopefully they're indoors and not outdoors. >> exactly. thank you so much. coming up next on "new day" president obama set to meet with israel's prime minister today. benjamin netanyahu saying he'll tell the truth in the face of all the sweet talk between the u.s. and iran. plus put the clock up there, the shutdown clock ticker gives you urgency. everybody is debating whose fault is it. we're going to be debating it right here and remember the lawmakers are listening to you, if you heard them on the show they're nervous in d.c. and we're going to show you a little bit of why.

>> i would like to tell washington to listen to the public and do what they would like for them to do, to get our country moving, and to get our country back on track. >> i think it's nuts that our government can't just keep itself open. we have bills to pay. we've got a budget we've worked under and we should live up to that.

>> > welcome back to "new day," friday's groundbreaking phone call between president obama and iran's president hassan rouhani lasted 15 minutes. it was the first communication since 1979. that's history. today president obama meets face to face with one of the greatest

skeptics of the melting ice, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu. joining us from london is christiane amanpour. she sat down for a direct conversation with president rouhani just last week in his first interview on american soil so great, fresh reporting there. chri christann christane, thank you. >> good to be with us as always. >> 76% of americans favor direct diplomatic negotiations between the u.s. and iran. how do you take that message and meld it with what israel needs to hear for the relationship with the u.s.? >> i do think that those polls are consistent. the american people would obviously prefer a negotiated end to this rather than a military end to this, and it matches what the iranian people also are saying they also want to reach out to the united states but on the issue of israel, the israelis are more skeptical and much more suspicious of iran, like many

have been suspicious of iran's intentions but i think what's going to be very, very crucial in the conversations between president obama and prime minister netanyahu is that, yes, as prime minister netanyahu says they can't just be smiling while spinning, spinning the centrifuges in iran, there has to be substance. to everybody's interest there has to be substance. the substance is does iran go through with what it's saying, that it wants serious negotiations, that it wants, and will it give more transparency and will it be prepared for more restrictions on its nuclear program, and by the same token, will the united states and the west be willing to lift some sanctions. it's a two-way street and that is going to be the substance and if that substance is reached, then that would be a progress and of course, president obama will say look let's let this diplomacy have a try, test the

diplomacy before we try another route. >> it's style versus substance comparison that you put up. it brings me to the twitter back and forth between president obama and president rouhani. what do you make of that? there is no internet allowed in iran except for the one day there mauy have been a glitch. the president of iran is tweeting to the president of the united states. what do you make of that? >> president rouhani came into office tweeting and i asked him how ironic is that, mr. president, when your people cannot access social media, twitter, facebook, even the internet, they have to go around fire walls. they're incredibly sophisticated. i've been reporting on iran the last 20 plus years and people can get around the restrictions. he said my campaign promise was to reduce censorship and increase freedom in that regard and i will do it. that was his categoric statement to me. let's see what happens. >> so let me ask you this, what may be the formative question here is, what israel's going to want is that you have to make

sure that there's a back stop here, that if iran doesn't do what it's supposed to do, there is that threat maybe of military action. do you believe the u.s. has lost credibility because of our red line fiasco we went through with syria, right now the u.s. doesn't have the ability to point its finger and say you better do what we say or else. >> i think the whole military aspect has taken a back seat. obviously everybody in the obama administration keeps saying all options are available to us but it's very clear where the american people stand and where the obama administration stands politically. it doesn't want to go to any more military adventures, interventions or any of the like. president obama said over and over again that i'm the president who was elected to end wars in iraq and afghanistan. having said that, the threat of force on the table, i believe, did bring russia and syria much more rapidly to dealing with the chemical weapons issue in syria,

and you know, presumably all of this is going to stay on the table but you know, it really is a matter of whether the two sides can move forward on substance. the iranians have said over and over again if you keep pointing a gun to our head we're not going to play ball, but it really, beyond that rhetoric, it is about whether they can move to do the things that are required, which is more transparency, and some restrictions on their program. and by the same token, and this is really important, that the west and the u.s. gives on sanctions, because if they're not going to go to war, negotiations are the only other option and for that as you know, negotiation requires compromise which is a two-way street. >> and that of course will be the big issue with israel, they have one position on sanctions and it is not about relaxing them. thank you very much. we'll be following up on this reporting for sure. kate over to you. >> thanks, chris. coming up next on "new day"

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>> welcome back to "new day." it's monday, september 30th. put up the clock, 15 1/2 hours until the government shutdown. some call this a straf gee of a sham of a mockery or a traveshamockery. we bring in van jones and ari fleischer, both will debate what this could mean on the upside for anyone. amanda knox legal drama continues, she's back on trial again for the death of her roommate in italy but there's one noticeable difference, she won't be in court this time. what does this mean? we'll be talking about it. >> right to michaela for the five things you need to know. >> number one is the darned clock, number one, less than 16 hours to a government shutdown today. the senate.

weapons inspectors from the u.n. headed to syria to dismantle its weapons, chemical weapons arsenal. they'll wear special suits to protect from poison, poddy armor and helmets to protect them from bullets. using smartphones and gadgets during flight, the faa has the final say on whether to ease current restrictions. alex rodriguez making his case today. the yankees slugger goes before an arbitrator to try to get that 211-game suspension reduced or set aside. final decision not expected until the winter. we always update those five things to know, go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. chris, let's get to the government shutdown.

>> both sides, cnn "crossfire" host van jones on the left, ari fleischer, former white house press secretary on the right, ari also small business owner as i learned going through your comments, worried about obama care for that reason if for none other. you always watch "new day" the congress members are nervous, dancing, ducking questions why they get paid during the shutdown, nobody wants a shutdown as long as they get the right bill. while they are starting to duck the lines are still drawn they want owe pa ma care connected to the funding bill before they let it go forward. what is the upside possibly for republicans if there's a shutdown? >> i don't think there is any upside. the shutdown is not good for anybody and the longer it goes on more it can hurt republicans

with one possible exception. presidents and congresses have been doing this for decades. you get a compromise at the end that's not overreach, it's not massive policy but usually it's because a president negotiates, this one won't, and the congress figures out something more moderate to pass. that's how you get out of this and there's still hope for that to be done. >> van jones, you are the face of compromise, representing the left. your party members this morning have been rigid, van, rigid. they will not touch the bill if obama care is in any way related to it. what are you going to do? >> i think they're right not to touch it. usually what you do in the ordinary course of legislation you pass t you fund it if the supreme court weighs in. the idea that we're going to continue to relitigate this and hold the economy hostage doesn't make any sense and part of what's going on right now is that i think the president is drawing a firm line in the sand. we need to be in a situation

where congress pays its bills, that shouldn't be a favor to the president, that's something they're supposed to do for the country and in a situation where a continuing resolution is a continuing resolution, not a discontinuing resolution for obama care but a continuing resolution for america's government. what's happening is thatter this he taking something that has nothing to do with the continuing resolution and sticking it in and that's causing the whole system to break down. >> other than that lines metaphor, as soon as you start talking about slinz we get into trouble. fair point, you know, you guys aren't playing the game the right way. you voted 40 something times to try to get rid of obama care. it didn't work. get more seats in congress and pass your own laws. that's the seesaw of democracy. you don't like the law, too bad. go in and win locatielections. >> that's a valid point. i think the sensible thing is to

repeal what's called the medical device tax which if you think about it is a tax on people's pacemakers, a tax on people's hearing aids. the government got so hungry to pay the huge cost of obama care they started taxing things that should not be taxed that affect people's health care. many democrats in the senate or for repealing it. that should be attached to the cr. the democrats should support it. president obama should sign that into law. if the government shuts down it will be because the democrats insist on taxing people's pacemakers. >> van, i'm going to let you respond. ari, let's be honest, because it's serious enough because of what's coming up with the debt ceiling, we have to back up the rhetoric a bit. you're still tying a political fight that you lost fair and square to something that is going to be hurtful to american people, aren't you? >> i don't see how that's political to say that people's pacemakers should be taxed. it's the substantive flaws of the legislation itself. when you deal with the substantive flaws of legislation, fix it and for

decades people have attached legislation like this to these type of funding bills. there's nothing new here to. president will not negotiate. >> van, answer, why do you hate people with pace maim emakers a hearing aids. >> i'm not saying that. >> i know you're not saying this. >> even keith ellis, a big progressive in congress is open to that because that tax hurts his state a little bit. all of this should be on the table in the normal course of legislation. it shouldn't be thrown here at the last minute where you actually have america's government in danger of being shut down. lot of people are going to be hurt if america's government shuts down. this is a minor -- i agree with ari. there has never been a perfect bill passed, never perfect legislation but you don't take an imperfect bill and come one a crazy process that creates massive uncertainty across the country that, threatens

america's government that, threaten american's full faith and credit. my concern is that in all the discussion about the breakdown in america's government we're not excited about the breakthrough. tomorrow, ordinary americans who don't have health insurance get a chance to sign up for the first time. that's a huge breakthrough. you can go to healthcare.gov, if you're watching now, don't have health care or your mama doesn't, go and sign up for health insurance. that's a good thing in america. it's crazy town up here because something good is happening in our country. >> van jones, solid line, give the last word to you then, ari. >> as you know, i went on that site, all i got was an electronic runaround. i wish people good luck in signing on to that. >> it doesn't open until tomorrow. it opens tomorrow. >> it's called amendments. amendments have been the process of congress for hundreds of years, it's only barack obama who doesn't know how to

negotiate or get it done. >> he negotiated on the stimulus, he negotiated on health care, he negotiated on the fiscal cliff and this is ridiculous. i'm proud he's president for standing up. >> it's been done for decades in both parties, the only difference is presidents know how to work with congress. >> when you have a congress that's run by ted cruz it's hard to negotiate with anybody. >> i think it's been -- barack obama can't do what bill clinton did. bill clinton was able to work things out with congress. >> bill clinton agrees with president obama. >> why, bill clinton -- >> you got to draw a line in the sand sometime. >> i'm cutting it off there, van. i told you about the line comments and you made another line comment. i'm ending the discussion there. van jones, ari fleischer, thank you very much. i thought ari was going to about with the traveshamockery. thank you. thank you for reasoned perspective as always. coming up next on "new day,"

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welcome back to "new day." amanda knox is back on trial today for the 2007 murder of her british roommate, meredith kercher. the italian supreme court is

retrying the 26-year-old after her acquittal in 2011. knox will not be returning to italy for the trial tell cnnen in may she's scared to go back there. let's talk about this in much more, joining me is dr. drew pinsky host of "dr. drew on call." this woman has gone through an extraordinary set of circumstances. >> too much. >> when you think of it, she goes through the death of her roommate, accused of murder, she's in prison, the verdict is overturned, she's out of prison, comes back to the united states and then this, from a doctor's perspective, what is she going through and how do you manage it? >> from doctor's perspective, if i were her i'd want to crawl into ahole. the prospect would trigger so much anxiety, some people wouldn't be able to sleep at night depending on their preexisting risk. everyone is pointing their finger at her, wondering why she

doesn't go back, that's ridiculous. think of yourself in that situation. there's no way you would go back to italy. at least you're stateside with the security of your own culture and legal system and whether or not she's extradited, i don't think that's going to happen. i really don't. her legal team has been sounding very confident they could fight that and i hope she can sleep well at night because this girl has been through enough. >> even the threat of that, even it being lingering out there or the threat of extradition, you've heard her over and over say she's ready to move on and get back to her life or the new life that she will now be living. >> we'll see. >> how does that uncertainty of her future impact her recovery and her ability to move on? >> that's exactly the point. she really can't leave it all behind and the point of fact she's never going to. it's like any other severely traumatic event, something you have to learn to live with. you're not going to magical cut it out. people's brains are defensively set up in such a way to attempt to do that. anyone who does that, does that

at their own risk. it's something you have to come to terms with and unfortunately her ordeal doesn't seem to be ending yet. >> important to note while she and her family are searching for answers so is meredith kercher's family. huge number of families impacted who cannot get closure because this continues. >> and i don't understand the italian system that they can continue to drag. >> almost impossible. >> you look at with a jaundiced eye, what are they up to. is it retribution, they have to have before they can close a case? in the meantime it's time to get on with things i hope. >> want to talk to you before i let you go, we talked last week about your very big decision to come very public and come forward to talk about your private battle with prostate cancer. it was a big decision and you thought about it a lot, first and foremost your health and why you would want to come forward and talk about it. what is the reaction? >> the reaction sort of a frenzy which is really surprising. i didn't think anybody cared. i thought it was time -- i was

hoping people would learn something from it. you told me something powerful before the cameras, your father is a urologist. >> he is and he loves the fact that a medical professional is coming forward to talk about it because it's a complex topic. >> it's a complex topic and chris, guys don't like going there, you and your buddies go for the physicals every year and have your colonoscopies together? >> that's not what i said. get your ears checked. >> we don't want any touching. we're physicians anyway, and it is complicated. my situation one of the really important messages of what i went through is my physician's judgment was exquisite and there's a lot about obama care in the news. one of the things i have concerns about pertaining to obama care, set too much of a guideline practice of medicine, if guidelines have been practiced i probably would have died. my doctor saw something, didn't feel right to him so it was his

judgment to move further. i had the same sort of feeling from a urologist who finally pulled the trigger and when we got the prostate out, it was bad times. even though i didn't fit any lied fo guidelines for going as far as i did, thank god they followed their judgment and thank god i was a good patient and followed my wife's idea of going to get a physical. >> the mess annual of the whole thing. >> trust your wives with your life. mine saved mine, and because of that, her instinct was something is wrong and sure enough it was. >> you have this huge reaction to this. what do you do? what do you do now? do you try to harness this and make sure the conversation continues? as you said it's important not only the awareness that prostate cancer is a killer, having the conversation is important. >> talk to your doctors, get the regular follow-up. your dad and i should team up and talk about this. >> you two together would be quite the time. >> i think it is something that

men have to look into, a common cancer, and there are all options, depending what age and grade of tumor and don't because you have cancer rush to get it out. i waited two years, active surveillance and looking like i could go on and on and the doctor said i think it's go time and it was go time. >> i love that as part of your message. you're diagnosed, don't freak out. 'simple and important. >> and this is a common in lig nant malignancy. we need to, people need to not shrink away from the things but take a proactive stance and be careful with guidelines, informed, motivated patient and a caring, careful physician who is paying attention, that is the most efficient unit and the outcomes we will have if the patient and physician practice together. >> your prognosis is fabulous.

>> all looks good right now. hopefully that's continuing to be the case. >> you can see dr. drew 9:00 p.m. on hln eastern and loveline 10:00 p.m. to midnight. we want to hear your thoughts on this story and all the stories, tweet us, #newday, let us know what you think. >> hopeful my utter embarrassment helps lead more people to get their checks done. a little bit of good stuff for everybody, today's edition, alison henry just turned 10 years old. it wasn't what she received for her birthday, it's what she gave, instead of presents alison asked for donations that gives bullet and knife proof vests to police k-9s. cops say they're in the fight and take all the same risks they do. unfortunately most police departments can't afford to get them vests. alison raised nearly $1,000 to buy a vest for k-9 officer riker. >> i feel that a dog should be

safe because i really like animals. >> a young lady at 10 years of age making a positive impact. >> and making a strong point, applause indeed and a plaque, that's what alison received for her work but more importantly, she got some word from the mayor, but she got word from inside that she did the right thing for others, including of the four-legged variety. our hats go off to her, a gift to yourself in appreciation of somebody else, the pooch likes it very much. >> she saw a problem, looked for a solution and found one. >> i think what we're seeing over and over again, there is a lot we can learn from kids. >> yes, when raised right and that's another thing, proud parents there. a lot of times kids don't come up with it themselves. proud parents behind it. fans saying good-bye to "bra "breaking bad." how did this finale fare against

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here but i've got everybody's back. if you didn't get to watch the series finale last night this say spoiler free zone on "new day." we don't have the numbers action we're waiting on how many people watched. no traveshamockery, chris. >> is that how you spell that? >> that's how i spelled it. >> "breaking bad" traffic on facebook was up 292% from last sunday and here's what i will tell you. i'm not going to spoil. >> no spoiling. >> it did wrap everything up, you know who lives, who dies, who makes amends, who gets revenge. >> was it satisfying? >> it's very satisfying especially if you're a lover of all things "breaking bad." not like ""the sopranos"" where it's fade to black. it ends on a song and you get that -- >> window for a possibility of an offshoot. the lawyer is getting his own one. is there any one in there? >> it could be. >> really? >> it could be and you made me think about that there because

at the end you're kind of like i can't believe he actually -- and so yes there is. >> there's something about going out on top, right? >> i'm teasing, i've been talking to bryan cranston for the whole year asking what's going to happen, and he promised me you know walter white is not going to go out with a wimper and that's true. >> what is his reaction on the fan reaction has been to the show? this is kind of amazing how popular the show is. >> it is very popular. if you have a series finale like "m.a.s.h." almost 100 million people watched that. this is 8 million to 10 million people but television landscape is so different now so it is huge for what people watch right now and he is amazed by what has happened. >> people are very thankful. >> get on it. i watched it. is that true?

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that's it for us here on "new day." we have the clock up for the shutdown. there's only one person that might be able to avoid the tragedy of a shutdown, the one and only carol costello. >> i only wish i had that power. >> no pressure. >> no pressure. thanks, guys. have a great day. "the newsroom" starts now. good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. on the edge and on notice, congress has less than 15 hours to avoid a government shutdown. as hope dwindles, anger builds. nearly seven in ten americans believe it's republican lawmakers who are acting like spoiled children in this stalemate. nearly six in ten blame