nation's first government shutdown since 1997. republicans and democrats locked in a maddening stalemate over obamacare basically with no resolution in sight. this morning, the statue of liberty, monuments on the washington mall, tours of the capitol, all shutting down. vacations being ruined. but many have it much worse. >> most of nasa many other federal agencies are closing as well. the cost of all of this you might be wondering? it's estimated to be $200 million a day. the cost to the overall economy could be even worse. hard to calculate at this moment. there are those hundreds of thousands directly impacted right now, some of them are here with us in our studio. we'll talk with them, hear from them throughout the show. we're also going to be talking to some of the leading lawmakers who are in the middle of this mess, including democratic senator dick durbin, rand paul and white house press secretary jay carney. what started all this,

congress's inability to make a deal, it went back and forth to the midnight deadline. it didn't really matter, did it? who feels the impact of the shutdown first? it's an interesting question with a tough answer. where does congress go from here? we'll try and figure that out for you. let's begin with brianna keilar live at the white house. >> reporter: good morning to you. the white house has sent out nlgtss to its agencies telling them to start executing their plans for a shutdown, to start an orderly shutdown as they said to them after this staring contest where no one blinked. overnight, president obama released a message to the troops. >> you and your family deserve better than the dysfunction with we're seeing in congress. >> reporter: after signing a bill into law agreed upon by congress. >> i'll get you back to work as soon as possible.

>> reporter: as they worked late into the night with a heated floor debate. >> do you want to take it down. >> reporter: but failed to reach an agreement to keep the government funded. >> the house has made its position known very clearly. >> reporter: this morning, national parks and museums are closed for business and hundreds of thousands of nonessential government employees are furloughed indefinitely. house republicans did not blink in their demand to push forward a new plan to tie government spending to a weakening of obamacare which begins open enrollment this morning. president obama blamed house republicans on monday night and reiterated this was, quote, entirely preventible. >> one faction of one party in one house of congress, in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the resultses of an election. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner fired back. >> i talked to the president

earlier tonight. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to do this. i would say to the president, this is not about me. this is not about republicans here in congress. it's about fairness for the american people. >> reporter: after days of talking past each other, competing plans ping-ponged from one chamber to the other and now a government shutdown for the first time since 1996, when bill clinton was in the white house, republican speaker newt gingrich ruled the house of representatives and their standoff lasted for weeks. now, ultimately, politically, republicans lost that battle back in the mid-'90s and most polls indicate and most observers think that's what will happen again here. in the short term, really, everyone loses, that includes the white house. now, kate, it's this period of pressure. i think that video you saw, president obama addressing the troops, that may be a preview of more to come as he tries to highlight constituencies that are vulnerable because of a shutdown. >> clearly more pressure is needed for them to do their job

and get this done. brianna keilar starting us off at the white house this morning. what stays open and what closes during this shutdown? well, take a look right here. this will spell it out first and foremost. federal employees, they're probably the hardest hit, more than 800,000 federal employees will be furloughed due to a government shutdown. during the last government shutdown, congress approved retroactive pay for these employees but i'll tell you, there's no guarantee it will happen this time. you can sure hope it would, though. this is what will be closed. all 401 national parks, they'll be closed, national archive muse museums, closed as well as many zoos and most presidential libraries. that might sound small but it is part of the impact. let's take a look at what's going to stay open. here's good news, a silver lining if you will. post office will still operate, passport offices will continue to function, air traffic control, border protection and the department of defense will

remain open. you might be wondering what does that mean if you're retired and you need the social security checks? they're essential to your lifestyle. social security checks don't worry, they are still going to go out. but the shutdown is impacting millions, that is for sure. who's been covering this for us all in christine romans. she's here to dig deeper on how americans are being affected from coast to coast. >> reporter: it's like congress has hung a big sorry we're closed sign on some of america's biggest agencies and most famous atracks. it's a major inconvenience, a sign of major washington dysfunction. this morning, hundreds of thousands of federal civil service employees are waking up to their new furlough status. >> our economy is going to be affected by it. and that is squarely -- scary. it's too much for lower middle class people to deal with right now. >> reporter: all across the country, national monuments, zoos and parks closed for business. >> along with the government

shutdown comes with the closure of all the nation's national parks, that includes lady liberty. for folks coming to new york to see the iconic statue of liberty, this may be their last chance in who knows how long. >> reporter: tourists are dealing with not only writing off a paycheck -- >> he works for the government. >> reporter: but writing off their vacation plans as well. >> there's not much i can do about it. if i'm furloughed, i'm furloughed. we'll deal with that. >> reporter: those who work at liberty island, it will take a toll. >> my only source of income. >> reporter: not only are employees at national monuments staying at home today -- >> we have liftoff. >> reporter: 97% of nasa employees are closing the office doors on the agency's 55th birthday. d.c., the washington monument, smithsonian and even the national zoo, closed for business. the national zoo is a ghosttown. it's been closed since 8:00 p.m. last night. the national park service says

that anything that's a safety function will continue to be funded. and any employee that comes here to feed and take care of the animals will continue to do that. but if you want to see the pandas online, too bad. even the animal cams are going dark. >> when we're shut down it takes away from things that families can do. >> reporter: locally owned businesses around the hill worry that lack of tourists will dry up their income as well. >> d.c. might be the next detroit, because when half the city is unemployed or doesn't have a paying job, this could become detroit in close to two months. >> reporter: across the mountain, national parks taking a hit, too. >> in the angeles national forest, the crown jewels of the park system, grand canyon, yellow stone, mt. rushmore, yosemite, all closed. anyone in any national park allowing camping has 48 hours to vacate. >> we've been coming here 35 years. this is not fun if we have to get booted out. >> it's very frustrated.

we invested quite a bit to come out here and see this. it's going to be a huge disappointment. huge disappointment. >> reporter: worst case scenario, it drags on for a month or longer. you're looking at maybe a $55 billion hit to the economy from lost wages, contracts, unfilled orders, uncollected fees. there's really no way to know. one thing we do know for certain, the implementation of obamacare is mandatory spending. congress put a forecloclosed si america but obamacare continues, guys. >> there's no time for irony here. this is about what's so simple. this is bad for american people. let's figure out where the polls are, let's bring in national correspondent john king. john, let's start with one half step back. we know politics is often played this way, however, isn't this a little unusual that a shutdown or even a talk about the debt creeling is tied not to budgeting issues but to

legislation that's already been decided? >> yes. it's very -- imagine when nancy pelosi was speaker if democrats who kept being mad at the president for extending the bush tax cuts said forget it. we'll shut down the government. or pick another policy grievance. it is unusual for a single policy grievance to be the flash point in essentially saying we're not coming back to work. we're going to shut down your government. this is your government not at work because of one disagreement. that's why the president says he won't negotiate on this. has he negotiated in the past over the debt ceiling on spending issues, the whole sequester? yes. on this one, he says it passed, i ran for re-election, it was a big issue in the campaign. i won. for the president's message to the house republicans is essentially, get over it. >> that's his side. on their side, they say, people hate this law. can you make the case that they are fighting the people's fight here? >> they can make a case, are

people opposed or deeply skeptical? yes, they can. we have new polling, under the new health care law you and your family will be -- 17% say better off, 40% say worse off, 41% say about the same. there's no question, chris, there's profound skepticism as this open enrollment begins today. again, people don't trust the government. they think the government, forget the cliche, would screw up a free lunch. many are skeptical that the government will get it right. we also asked this question, the defining question of this debate, should you shut down the government to continue this fight over obamacare? six in ten americans say no. nationally the message is clear, the american people do not want what we are now six plus hours into, a government shutdown. however, again, for the 30 or 40 house republicans who are driving this train, they go home to districts president obama lost by 20 points or month, they go home to tea party districts where people say we're fine with shutting down the government.

you have a giant disconnect between the national interest and local interest of the small but very vocal, and at the moment, very important group of house republicans. >> i wonder how many people are government workers that aren't getting a paycheck today. that will be interesting to understand. anything in the numbers, anything in your perspective to give some sense of how, what seems like political pandering is playing? it's great they're paying the military families. we have to respect them and their families. it seems like pandering. people who are victims of building 197 where the navy shooting was, we want to protect them as victims, is this playings apandering or congress doing the right thing? >> you can call it either way. much of this, how you view this depends on your political perspective. democrats did not want to take that stake. the most important person in this debate right now, chris, as we talked this morning is the house speaker john boehner.

he's been forced into this by that vocal minority in his caucus. essentially the house republicans know the senate has a pair of kings. the president has a pair of aces. they keep laying down a pair of twos saying we win. >> they don't have the votes. when do they blink or try to get something out of this? you have a speaker who has a dysfunctional relationship with the president but more importantly has a dysfunctional relationship in his own republican family. he has to figure that out for us to get out of this. >> no question they're playing a weak hand. the dealer is the president. they'll be looking to him for leadership. kate, over to you. the shutdown hits hard outside the beltway. small business owners, people from military families, all worried about what's next and what this means for them. well, we have some of the people here to talk to us about how it impacts them and their families. and kind enough to wake up and join us early this morning. thank you, guys. we'll be talking to you throughout the show.

larry hirsch, i want to begin with you. you worked for the federal government. this impacts you today. do you know your status? do you know what you're going to be doing with your job beyond today? >> i don't know. it depends whether the budget is enacted or not. right now we're without pay, we're not working. >> what does it mean for you and your family. >> i've had five furlough days over the summer. this has had a significant impact on our family's budge zblet that's because of the forced budget cuts. nobody in congress said they wanted to or agree to. a horrible name for a horrible thing. what's your message to lawmakers this morning. >> we're federal employees. our job is to implement laws and not to hold budget hostage to a law that's already the law of the land. they have to do their job, get a budget passed, fund the government and do the services that we're paid to do and american people need. >> brad hill, you live in the

area. you were hit hard by hurricane sandy and your small business. what's the most frustrating part about watching this play out. >> we just today laid off 110 employees, including myself. this is coming off of hurricane sandy where we laid off 107 employees for eight months. it has a great impact on all of us. and also the visitors, the thousands of visitors that would come every day to the statue of lib zblert this is insult to injury? >> yes, that would be a good way of putting it. >> stay with us. we'll try to find -- no solution to a horrible situation, chris. we also want to hear from you out there. tweet us throughout the show. please use the #newday. obamacare begins while the government is closing, the nation's new health insurance exchanges are open this morning. a major milestone for obamacare.

millions of uninsured americans can go online and enroll at a health care.gov. dr. sanjay gupta will join us later to talk more about this. crews will try to reach a popular hiking trail in kol toll to recover the bodies of five hikers killed in a rock slide. the denver post reports they are members of the same family. a sixth hiker was air lifted from the debris. a rainy month may have been a contributing factor in that slide. some scary moments at uc berkeley. the campus was evacuated after an explosion in an electrical vault, that came about two hours after the campus lost power. one person was injured, 20 others were trapped in elevators on campus. the school spokesman says the blast appears to be related to copper wire thieve who dug up the lines last week. two marine corps generals have been fired in the wake of a deadly attack in afghanistan.

majors general charles -- 15 heavily armed insurgents dressed in u.s. army uniforms breached a fortified coalition base and destroyed more than a dozen fighter jets. and breaking bad, it broke its own record sunday. amc says the series finale drew more than 10 million viewers. that's about 7 million more than the season finale last year. the show also ended its run by breaking its own record on social media, the finale generated more than 1.2 million tweets. i'm curious how many people watched and tweeted at the same time and facebook updated and instagram. that would be a lot. >> very impressive. >> that's multitasking. >> i haven't watched it. i'm on the opposite end of the

scale. >> you've had a shutdown to focus on. >> i've been walking around yelling at my kids, why is this happening? >> they don't have answers. >> they have great answers, which is the scary part. let's get over to indra to figure out what's going on with the forecast. >> we need sunshine today, we have a bright, sunny forecast. that's the upside here. dome of high pressure still in place. that warm air going from the southeast spreading all the way into the northeast. we are talking about gorgeous fall weather. it actually feels like summer. look at the temperatures. average for chicago, you should be 68. try 81 degrees today. out towards new york city, 81, average there 69. this is pretty much across the midwest all the way to the mid-atlantic and the northeast today. and into the southeast. the southeast you are used to this. the only difference for you, you're looking at moisture coming in. that same dome of high pressure is pulling that moisture off the gulf. with that, nothing major. 1 to 20 inches over the next several days. otherwise, look at the country. so mild, dry air pretty much

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. welcome back to "new day." a mystery on the rails in chicago. an empty train rolling down the tracks slamming into a suburban line. it happened at morning rush hour monday. dozens were injured. and a bustling commute brought to a halt. now investigators are scrambling to find out why, obviously. cnn ted rowlands. >> reporter: there's a tarp over a portion of the wrecked train as investigators try to figure out exactly what happened here.

the head-on collision came during the morning commute and sent 33 people to the hospital. >> it sounds like a man. stop the train, stop the train. it was a crash and then smoke everywhere. >> reporter: initially foul play was suspected, that someone intentionally sent an empty four-car train head on into an eight-car train full of commuters. surveillance video and witness accounts indicate no one was at the controls of the runaway train, which was traveling at an estimated 20 miles an hour at impact. at this point, investigators have not found any evidence of wrongdoing. >> there's no broken windows, no pried open doors. no graffiti or vaned lix inside the rail car. we are doing a thorough investigation of this. >> reporter: but transit officials say someone must have started the train, which had been sidelined for repairs. the question is why. and how come two separate automatic emergency shutdown systems failed? >> it should have went through a

series of -- and the train should have been tripped and went into emergency. >> reporter: the collision comes after three months after a runaway train in canada killed 47 people. for investigators here think the system is safe, even though they don't know what went wrong on in this case. >> we're looking at everything. if it's not signal, mechanical, you look at operations. it might be a human factor. >> reporter: while there were 33 injuries, none of those injuries, thankfully, were serious. it could have been much worse. chris? >> still have to find out why. appreciate it. coming up next on "new day," the u.s. government shutting down. that means no paychecks for hundreds of thousands of federal workers. but members of congress, they'll still get paid. we'll explain, ahead. while the government closes, the affordable care act, yes, obamacare, opens today.

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>> announcer: you're watching "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. welcome back to "new day," tuesday, october 1st. coming up, the shutdown, which means no paychecks for hundreds of thousands of hard-working families. the elected officials that are causing this fiasco are still

collecting theirs. we'll track them down and putting them on the spot. then we'll be joined by a group of people just like you, american citizens already feeling the squeeze from the shutdown. plus, a rough day in court for amanda knox's defense. the italian judge okaying one of their request and rejecting a dozen others. we'll break down her murder retrial in a live report. that's ahead as well. a lot of news this morning. let's get to michaela with the top story. a rescue mission is now a recovery mission in colorado. law enforcement officials confirming that five hikers trapped by a rock slide 120 miles southwest of denver have died. a sixth victim, a 13-year-old girl was air lifted to a hospital in denver. her condition is unknown at this hour. the area's very unstable because of recent rains. recovery teams won't be able to go in to retrieve the bodies until engineers declare the area safe. more on this later this hour. we may now know who was

aboard the business jet that crashed into a hangar. ceo mark benjamin and his son, senior project engineer, luke benjamin may have been aboard. the plane ran off the runway, ramming into a hangar and bursting into flames. a jury has been picked for mark cuban's insider trading trial. cuban is said to have agreed to keep that information confidential but used it to sell his shares in the company, avoiding $750,000 in losses. the s.e.c. wants that money back and wants to impose fines on cuban. check out how a high-speed chase in oklahoma ended. officers used spikes to slow the car down, drew their guns, yanked the driver through the window. the chase began earlier when police tried to pull him over for a traffic violation.

he punched the gas instead. police have not said why he fled. sky gazers thought they were getting quite a show. it was a rocket launch from california. reports out of zimbabwe, botswa botswana, malawi. rocket fuel released started to glow after several african nations. many thought it was ufos. are you a believer? >> conspiracy. >> i knew i was going to go there, kate. >> obviously. always a conspiracy. >> quietly so no one hears. >> more than 00,000 federal employees on furlough this morning. states about to lose millions of tourism dollars because many u.s. landmarks are going to be closing. what about the people who are to blame for this whole mess? what are they giving up during the shutdown that we all hope is brief but we don't know. athena jones is on capitol hill

with that angle of the story. >> reporter: i think a lot of voters would be surprised to learn that members of congress can continue to collect a paycheck during the shutdown. it's something that surprised some of the newer members i spoke with and angered many of the veterans as i went around asking these members of congress what they think about this and what they plan to do with their pay. congress's approval ratings may be at historic lows but that won't stop members from getting paid, even during a government shutdown. >> they'll still get paid. is that appropriate? >> no. >> i'm trying to find out where he stands on the issue of members of congress collecting their pay during a shutdown. i worked the phones and hit the halls. after the shutdown, members of congress still get to collect their paycheck. what do you think about that? >> i think nobody is above the law. that means the president, the attorney general as well as us. all of them ought to be putting that on hold until this is resolved. >> reporter: what will members of congress do with their money? >> i am urging my fellow members

of congress to donate their pay to charitable causes. >> i'm going to be writing a check back to the u.s. treasury and giving my pay back and standing in solidarity with everyone else. >> reporter: why do senators and representatives get to collect their paycheck while hundreds of thousands of federal employees will have to go without? blame the constitution. ordinary members of congress in both chambers make $174,000 a year. congressional leaders make more. no congress can change its own salaries. it can only vote to change the pay of future sessions of congress. senator boxer says she'll probably give her paycheck to charity but that's no consolation to government workers like dee alexander. >> if we're not getting paid, i don't think congress should get paid either. they need to feel what we're feeling. >> that's not surprisingly, members of congress are well aware that their constituents back home are not going to be too happy about the fact that they are continue to get paid. the republican congresswoman

from new jersey just hours before the shutdown printed out this letter for the folks on capitol hill saying he wants his paycheck withheld and texas senator ted cruz says he will be donating his pay to charity. chris? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. when we were asking them about their paychecks, they were ducking and dancing around. it was a joke. now it's the least of the concerns, right? we're worried about american families. while congress continues to get their paychecks, that's great. they're elected, they're supposed to get their money. that's fine. a lot of people will be deeply impacted by the shutdown. we're checking in with our panel of americans joining us live this morning. brad, i want to go back to you. you've got the business. you're affected with your small business because you're working near the statue of liberty. explain that, why your business is affected. >> we operate the gift shop and food service on ellis island. we have no revenue.

ellis island has been closed since hurricane sandy. >> you've let people go. >> yes, 110 as of today. >> they have families? >> yes. >> we are all hoping this is a very short layoff. >> you have a family. >> yes. >> what is it like for you to try to take care of your family? >> going through hurricane sandy was a devastating experience. i have six children and it took a lot to go for eight months with little pay. >> now, when you hear what this is about, they believe they're doing this for you, this is a fight about whether or not the affordable care act will be good for you, do you believe you are the focus of the energy down in d.c. right now? >> definitely not. this is the wrong forum to be doing these kind of activities. they had 364 days to get together on this. this is a time to pass a budget. >> janet, you're a military wife. thank you for your service. >> thank you. >> because we know all too well it's all about the entire family

when somebody serves. they passed a quick resolution to make sure the military keeps getting paid there. do you feel with everything that's done and not done for the military families, do you feel like you're being use as a pawn in what's going on here right now? >> yes, i think the government to a certain extent uses the military and our veterans as well as a pawn while playing this game, trying to get one side to do something and the other side is trying to get the other side to do something. it's tiring for military families. the stress and anxiety being brought so close and worrying about what are we going to do and the last minute they pass resolutions to granted give us our pay but we're being affected by it in other ways, on top of dealing with this for the past couple of months as well. >> they didn't take it away. everybody supports the troops. they waited. what does that mean to you? >> it makes you question how

much they do care about their military and how it is affecting us. it's kind of like they look at us of more of like how can we use them for our gain rather than worry about the impact it's having on families and service members. >> as we go through the morning we'll keep talking to you. there are people who don't know whether or not the affordable care act will work for them and if they'll be able to last throughout the shutdown. if nothing else you get to see mickey and kate all morning. that's a benefit. coming up next on "new day," amanda knox on trial again for murder. day one in an italian courtroom did not go well for her defense. a live report on that, ahead. also ahead, millions of americans can go online and start shopping for health insurance. most of us don't even know how the new health care law works. so who do we bring in? dr. sanjay gupta. he's trying to help us understand all of your options, next.

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ask how the health law itself cnn's dr. sanjay gupta is in greenville, south carolina, a state where a fifth of people there don't have health insurance, which is an amazing number to start with, sanjay. we have our new poll results out this morning but another report also says that about three-quarters of consumers just don't know the basics of the insurance marketplace that oz today, which clearly is troubling. walk us through who can sign up and how. if you could. >> reporter: those numbers sort of make sense. in a lot of ways a lot of people who have insurance through their employers right now have not really focused on this. they're in the going to probably sign up for the exchanges. i think that drives the numbers

you're talking about. you're right, some people don't understand the basics of signing up, which does start today. you're talking about 48 million americans roughly who don't have it, because they can't afford it, they don't think they need it or prices have been too high due to pre-existing conditions. those are the things that are focused on today. the website will be one portal that will help drive people, which is healthcare.gov. at 8:00 a.m. eastern, people will see that for the first time and be able to sign up for this. we got a sneak look at this, about an hour and a half from now it will be up. it's a three-page application. pretty straightforward. the one thing you won't see on that application is any questions about your medical history. this is important, the crux of the whole issue. they don't ask if you have pre-existing conditions because it doesn't matter in terms of the premiums you'll be charged. there's a bunch of different options. you pick your plan. >> there are four different

levels of coverage that you can choose from. how are they different? i mean, i'm sure -- it's much more complex than we're trying to simplify it. it does need to be simplified for folks who will be logging on for the first time today. >> yes. look, if you've ever been through your books on insurance plans right now through your employer, they can be confusing. there's no question. this can be confusing as well, although i would venture to say maybe not as much as you might think. think of it like this. you have four tiers of plans, platinum to bronze. platinum is the most expensive, bronze the cheapest, highest co-pays, highest deductibles. you're a healthy person, not going to the doctor very much, the bronze plan may be for you. people from 26 to 30 can qualify

for catastrophic plans, three doctor visits a year but coverage of catastrophic problems, emergency problems. it's those five things, those tiers, platinum to bronze and then that catastrophic coverage. >> what about those folks who say they don't want to sign up? you still have a choice but there's a penalty, right? >> yes. there's a penalty. the way that i look at this, if you're an individual and you can afford to buy it, you choose not to, the penalty in the first year is $95 or 1% of your income, whichever is higher. it goes up. $235 or 2% of your income, whichever is higher. it can keep going up until the year 2016. the penalty first year may or may not be that much. it is going to continue to go up. i think that's sort of the longer rollout of this, trying to get more and more people signed up. >> sanjay, thanks so much. trying to answer some of those questions. sanjay gupta will be hitting the

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welcome back to "new day." an italian court okayed a major evidence request monday in the amanda knox case but shut down over a dozen others from the defense. knox, you'll remember, is accused in the 2007 murder of her roommate. it is her third trial for the crime, which isn't unusual under the italian system. prosecutors say there's the impetus of more evidence here. cnn's aaron mclaughlin is in london with that. good morning, erin. >> reporter: their lawyers certainly had a tough day in court. american amanda knox and her former boyfriend, raffaele sollecito are trying once again to prove their innocence of the

murder charges against them. it was a bad day in court for amanda knox's edense team as her retrial began in florence, italy. the judge rejected more than a dozen requests made by knox's lawyer, including for a plea of new tests on key evidence that they believe would clear knox and then boyfriend raffaele sollecito once and for all for the 2007 murder of meredith kircher. >> it's always a bad day when he grants more defense motions. in a high profile case there's a tremendous pressure on the judge to err on the side of letting evidence in rather than keeping it out. >> reporter: the court did grant the defense's request for additional testing on a kippen knife found in sollecito's apartment.

knox has always maintain her innocence in the murder of her 21-year-old british roommate. >> i'm not responsible for what happened. i didn't do it. i wasn't there. i don't know anything more about it. >> reporter: the court also said it would consider testimony of a convict, a former cell mate of sollecito's who claimed his own brother killed kercher. while knox remains in the united states, her lawyers argued on her behalf. >> some observers have said that internal conviction that a judge must have before finding someone guilty is actually a higher standard and that is more protective of defendant. >> reporter: the trial has been adjourned until friday when avialo is expected to testify and investigators given the go-ahead to test the knife. meanwhile, amanda knox watches all of this from her home in seattle. if she is ultimately convicted,

she will be ordered to return to italy. if she refuses italy could ask for extradition from the united states. chris and kate. >> could get complicated, no question. thank you for the reporting. we're a long way from that. where we are now is figuring out the rules of play, the evidence used to have a re-assessment of the facts in this case. we'll see how it turns out. a long road ahead for amanda knox. >> dealing with this again and again and again. when will it end? i understand it here but it doesn't make a lot of sense logically. >> hard to move on for your life a lot of the players. >> we must move on with the show. >> shall we? a must see moment. what does the fox say? parentally give me that golf ball. check out the wiley fox that's been raising the ire of the

golfers in ireland. he's seized as many 100 balls, many still in play. my question is what's he doing with this them? >> he thinks they're eggs and he's equally disappointed. >> i think he's trading them in for cash at a golf course down the road. >> he's one of those guys. he comes down with a bucket at the end of the day, need more balls? the price is too good to pass up. >> i'll take it. >> a deal's a deal. >> i like that. a smart fox. an entrepreneurial fox. >> sly as a fox. >> coming up next on "new day," are you planning on spending a beautiful fall day at a national park? unfortunately you'll have to think again. the government shutdown ruining those plans. but more importantly, we talk about the national parks but more importantly, the shutdown is hurting people's livelihoods. how does it affect you? more when we come back. and a scary question, what would you think if you're on a

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how much wine goes into a glass. we say nothing. >> can you send me a link to that story, please. >> christine romans. investors showing poise this morning after the first government shutdown in 17 years. the congress could still torpedo your 401(k). i want to show you the gains you've made year to date, the dow, nasdaq and s&p all up double digits. gas prices are falling. $3.39 a gallon right now. let's go to indra petersons for the weather. >> we have to give you a few things with the good news out there. we keep that going with the weather. a dome of high pressure bringing that warm air not only to the southeast but spreading up into the northeast today. i'm not talking about 70s, 80s in the fall. look at thissing with cleveland, 77 today. that ill with be your afternoon high when the average is expected to be typically in the 60s. cincinnati, same thing, new york, d.c., everyone enjoying this beautiful weather now. still seeing warm weather in the

southeast as well. a behind there with that high pressure. we're talking about moisture, showers spreading up into texas in through mississippi. nice and beautiful. everyone is loving this. that is my ray of sunshine. >> we're close to the top of the hour which means it's time for the top news. the house has voted to keep the government open, but we also want basic fairness for all americans under obamacare. >> breaking overnight, shutdown. congress can't make a last-minute deal. for the first time in 17 years, the federal government is largely closed. american families going without while politicians play the blame game. the fallout, hundreds of thousands going without pay. so what's open? what's closed? we have your shutdown survival guide, all this as a key part of obamacare begins this morning. trapped, a family killed by a sudden rock slide while hiking

on the easy trail. their daughter, the lone survivor. also, look at this video. a family attacked in broad daylight in new york by a pack of bikers. the story behind the video. your "new day" starts right now. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning. welcome back to "new day," tuesday, october 1st. 7:00 in the east. we want to welcome our international viewers. we are now seven hours into the first government shutdown in 17 years, basically the issue is whether to fund the affordable care act also known as obamacare. no deal meant federal agencies began going dark at 12:01 eastern time. it's unclear when the house and senate will come to an agreement and get the government running again. you know, national parks, museums, a lot of monuments, shuttered. even the government twitter account has gone mute.

that is just the tip of the iceberg. >> the shutdown has taken a personal toll on millions of people across the country. we'll be getting reaction, this morning from a panel of those people, people like you and me, every day americans talking about the shutdown this morning and the impact it will have on their lives. plus, we'll be pressing members of congress about how they got to this point and mostly important, at this point, how they're going to fix it, including democratic senator dick durbin, republican senator rand paul and republican congressman darrell issa will be talking with jay carney this morning. we start with senior white house correspondent brianna keilar at the white house. >> reporter: good morning to you. the whou the white house sent out a memo to their agencies telling them to begin to execute a plan for their orderly shutdown.

>> you and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we're seeing in congress. i'll keep working to get congress to re-open our government and get you back to work as soon as possible. >> reporter: as lawmakers worked into the night in a heated floor debate -- >> stand with your country. you stand for your country. or do you want to take it down? >> reporter: but failed to reach an agreement to keep the government funded. >> the house has made its position known very clearly. >> reporter: this morning, national parks and museums are closed for business and hundreds of thousands of nonessential government employees are furloughed indefinitely. house republicans did not blink in their demand to push forward a new plan to tie government spending to a weak eening of obamacare which opens this morning. president obama reiterated this

was entirely preventible. >> one faction of one party in one house of congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner fired back. >> i talked to the president earlier toonight. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to do this. i would say to the president, this is not about me. it's not about republicans here in congress. it's about fairness for the american people. >> reporter: after days of talking past each other, computing plans ping-ponged from one chamber to the other and now a government shutdown for the first time since 1996. when bill clinton was in the white house, republican speaker newt gingrich ruled the house of representatives and their standoff lasted for weeks. now, republicans lost this battle, you may recall. a lot of polls and also opinions of observers, folks who have been here before, chris, think

that's what's going to happen again. the truth is nobody wins when it comes to a shutdown, least of all the american people. while we don't see anything on the president's public schedule today, we are expecting him to continue that pressure on congress, perhaps that message to the military last night was just a preview as we expect he'll highlight constituencies who are affected by the shutdown, chris. >> obvious need for leadership. br brianna, thank you for the reporting. 800,000 federal employees are off the job. during the last shutdown, congress approved retroactive pay for those people but there's no guarantee that will happen again. even if it did happen, that still means that too many families who are living close to the margins are going to have to go without. now, what else is closed here? all 401 national parks closed along with national museums as well as many zoos. how about what's open here? okay. some good news, post office, passport offices, air traffic control and, of course, the

pentagon all those open. what if you have defined payments you need to worry about, social security checks? they're still going to go out. there's a lot of detail here and subtlety about who will get impacted. let's get to christine romans to look deeper at this. what do we see. >> reporter: it looks like congress has hung a big sorry we're closed sign on some of the biggest agencies and programs and most famous attractions. it's a sign of major washington dysfunction. this morning, hundreds of thousands of federal civil service employees are waking up to their new furlough status. >> our economy is going to be affected by it. and that is squarely -- scary. it's too much for lower middle class people to deal with right now. >> reporter: all across the country, national monuments, zoos and parks closed for business. >> along with the government shutdown comes the closure of all the nation's national parks, that includes lady liberty. for folks coming to new york to see the iconic statue of

liberty, this may be their last chance in who knows how long. >> welcome aboard. lady liberty. >> reporter: tourists are dealing with not only writing off a paycheck -- >> he works for the government. >> reporter: but writing off their vacation plans as well. >> there's not much i can do about it. so i'll just -- if i'm furloughed, i'm furloughed. we'll just deal with that. >> reporter: this will take a toll on employees as well, like those who work at liberty island. >> my only source of income. >> reporter: not only are employees at national monuments staying at home today -- >> we have liftoff. >> reporter: 97% of nasa employees are closing the office doors on the agency's 55th birthday. d.c., the washington monument, smithsonian and even the national zoo, closed for business. the national zoo is a ghost town. it's been closed since 8:00 p.m. last night. the national park service says that anything that's a safety function will continue to be funded. and any employee that comes here

to feed and take care of the animals will continue to do that. but if you want to see the pandas online, too bad. even the animal cams are going dark. >> when we're shut down it takes away from things that families can do. >> reporter: locally owned businesses around the hill worry that lack of tourists will dry up their income as well. >> d.c. might be the next detroit, because when half the city is unemployed or doesn't have a paying job, this could become detroit in close to two months. >> reporter: across the mountain, national parks taking a hit, too. >> in the angeles national forest, the crown jewels of the park system, grand canyon, yellowstone, mt. rushmore, yosemite, all closed. anyone in any national park allowing camping has 48 hours to vacate. >> we've been coming here 35 years. this is not fun if we have to get booted out. >> it's very frustrating. we invested quite a bit to come out here and see this. it's going to be a huge disappointment. huge disappointment.

>> reporter: worst case scenario, it drags on for a month. you're looking at maybe by some estimates a $55 billion hit to the economy for lost wages, contracts, unfilled orders, uncollected fees. really important to note, social security checks do go out and implementation of obamacare is considered mandatory. in a shutdown, obamacare continues. kate? >> there's the irony of it all. christine, thanks so much. let's talk more about this with cnn global economic analyst and "time" magazine's assistant managing editor and host of cnn's "state of the union" candy crowley. great to see you both. unfortunately we're talking about the fact that the government has shut down. we are in uncertain territory at this point. where do you see things going from here this morning after we saw it all fall apart last night? >> probably more of the same. one day isn't enough to do it. this will take a couple of days.

i've heard some people say i bet this meshes into the debt ceiling discussion, that this becomes all one big thing. that's the 15th, 16th and 17th of this month. nobody really knows how long this will go on. i'll tell you why. no one is really sure how to get out of this at this point. you have the movable forces coming together. you see no give on the side of the house republicans and no give on the side of the white house or the democrats. >> they're so backed into their corners, more so than any kind of fight over government funding that we've seen in recent history, which i think is probably why when we look at the new polls that we have out this morning about unfavorable ratings, forget about the favorable ratings. all we need to look at is the unfavorable ratings. not surprising that harry reid, john boehner, the tea party, republican party and democrat party all taking hits in had their unfavorable rating. do they just not even care? about those ratings anymore?

>> they've been down for so long -- >> right. >> -- i think this is more of the same. it does prove the point that when something like this happens, everybody gets hurt a little. imagewise, the brand of politics takes a hit. what republicans will tell you and what the polls are showing us is that the republican brand itself is going to probably take the bigger hit here because our polls are showing that the people will be more likely to blame republicans. but it hasn't played out. it's not next year when we have midterms. let's remember that most of these congressmen, be they democrats or republicans are in safe seats, the vast majority of these guys return time after time after time. >> they're speaking for their constituents. that's where we are. we talked yesterday. markets fell around the world yesterday. what are you expecting to happen today? >> it's interesting. asia is open and it's holing steady as is the value of the dollar, which is kind of

surprising. there's also disconnect from wall street and washington. wall street looks at what's happening in washington. they just kind of can't believe it. everybody is hoping for an 11th hour deal. everybody is hoping this will only go on for another day or two. there's a cautious sense that surely we'll work this out in the next couple of days. you're seeing other governments, like the japanese government announce stimulus plans. there are other things going on in the world markets. i will say we look back in 1959, '95-'96, we had a shutdown, it shaved about half a percentage point of economic growth off in that corner. people say this time around, that impact could be double. in an economy that's only growing 2% to begin with. >> you don't have much to give. >> you don't have a lot of give. that creates a psychological effect. if this were to go on for a week, two weeks, three weeks, i think you'd see stocks tumble. >> from your perspective, how

does this fight that we're still in the middle of, and we don't know how it will end, what does this fight inform them in terms of economic impact when we're looking at a fight over the debt ceiling? >> it's all about psychology at this point. we don't know what's going to happen. the animal spirit in the market are what keeps it up. people are nervous. you've seen that in the runup to this fight to begin with. markets were very nervous. the fed is doing whatever it can. it's dumping money into the market still to try and keep stocks up. ultimately if you don't see a deal and particularly if we were to go over the debt ceiling and have a default, that would be a major economic impact. >> is there any indication what will be the pressure point that will force them to act? is it just time? >> time. it really is. and it's also the substance of it. it is pretty clear at least to me that anything that has obamacare attached to it, be it the provision of it or anything else is not going to fly with

the president or the democrats. they're pretty far out there on that line. whether or not there's any -- first of all they'll need to start talking to each other which they haven't been doing. >> exactly. maybe you should get into a room. let's see if cooler heads prevail because it hasn't yet. candy crowley, great to see you. you as well. chris? >> let's check in with the panel. we're trying to show the nature of the ripple effect of a shutdown. all right? so we have brad hill. you have a small business that's affected because you work at a national park, the statue of liberty. closed, you're closed, dealing with hurricane sandy. it's bad. john, you have a small business also. a lighting company. you're not in a national park but you have certain contracts that involve the government. what does it mean for you? >> for my business i do a lot of events in smithsonian, air and space museum, things like that. events that are done in those buildings are going to be shutting down and not doing the event. it's going to impact my business, my employees,

caterers, decorators, florists, other people that do those events for those companies. >> how closely tied are you to cash flow? making the point, how long can you go? >> i can -- i'll have other events i can do but it will make an impact on the company and some employees will have to be rescheduled or possibly not get work at all. >> right away. in terms of what you're able to bring home to your family, you're a newlywed, what does this mean for you? >> less money to make improvements in the company, less 347b money to do things. >> this is theoretical or almost right away. >> almost right away. >> larry, you work for the federal government. >> it means a reduction in the funds i take home for my family. it's our second furlough. >> furlough is a fancy word. i was looking up the etymology. you work without pay or you

don't work at all and there is no pay. >> question. the sequester will have a significant impact on us. >> what does that mean, the idea of maybe they'll pay you later. is that good? is that consoling to you? >> we're in a state of uncertainty. we don't know. it's lightly consoling. i'd rather hear that than they're not going to pay us later. it would be nice to know to plan for our family. >> what does it mean in terms of budgeting when there's not money coming in every week, every two weeks? >> you cut back. you have to watch your expenses. >> we'll be talking about other issues and the way this has affected people. joanna carpenter, you don't have insurance. you have to figure out if obamacare makes sense for you. you're managing a family. everybody has a feel for this situation. everybody will be impacted. we'll continue to check in to give all the different ways this happens. let us know what you think,

tweet us, #newday. millions of uninsured americans will get their very first opportunity to sign up for obamacare today. enrollment in the affordable care act, insurance, exchanges, the center piece of the legislation goes into effect today. technical glitches in some states have put enrollment on hold. they stress delays aren't a major concern. coverage doesn't begin until january 1st. dr. sanjay gupta joins us later in the show with more on that. an explosion at uc berkeley may have been caused by copper wire thieves. they used heavy equipment to dig up copper power lines last week. that may have led to a blast that injured one and left others trapped in elevators. pope francis meeting with

eight cardinals from around the world, starting today. the cardinals will help the pope revise the apocalyptic -- constitution. excuse me. i can't pronounce that word. governor chris christie, a judge ruled the state must start permitting them october 21st. christie wants the state to make the decision. and how about this for an entrance you might not forget. lauren and ben decided to head to the altar on a zip line. down they came to the applause of family and friends. they wanted their guests to see something they're not likely to see again. i'm betting this would be it. once they made it to the ceremony apparently all went off without a hitch. >> i'm not sure how you would

gracefully exit. >> the wedding is delays, everyone. >> now what? >> to see the preacher have to be suspended? >> i like the socks. >> and the gloves, too, very nice. >> very nice. >> you need to be fitted up right when you're doing that. >> let's get over to indra petersons, keeping track of all things weather. in case you mixed it, it is october. a little scary. hurricane season in september. i want to show you what it looks like in october and november. notice the trend goes down. this is a good thing a lot of people are saying. how do things size up so far? we've actually had more named systems than average. we haven't seen of course a good thing, as many hurricanes and no major hurricanes this season. the farther we go out, it looks more and more less likely that we will. anything can still happen. as far as what we have, the

atlantic, it's expected to stay in the atlantic. there's a 30% chance we could see development in the caribbean. a lot of models bringing it into the yucatan, some to the golf. commission is not that right, not a huge concern yet. here's the good news, high pressure still in the southeast, all the way into the northeast. the warm weather remains, temperatures 10 to 15 degrees above normal. we are looking at 80s where temperatures should be in the upper 60s, lower 70s. everybody is loving the warm. pretty much beautiful everywhere. hurricane season, minimal. we like this so far. >> fine with me. fine with me l everybody. thank you, indra. >> the more time i'm not tied to a stop sign, the better. >> you always think you'll be tied to a stop sign. >> that's what happens. a horrible scene as huge rocks come crashing down on hikers in colorado. only one person survived.

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♪ welcome back to "new day." why would a train be motoring down the tracks without anyone at the controls? that's the mystery haunting authorities in chicago this morning. an empty driverless train slamming into a packed commuter line. the question, was it mechanical failure or something else

entirely? cnn's ted rowlands is in forest park, illinois with the latest. what do we know? >> reporter: not much. you said it. it is a mystery. they put a tarp over the pain where these two trains did collide so it doesn't distract motorives on the 293 freeway. investigators trying to figure out how this happened. the head-on collision came during the morning commute and sent 33 people to the hospital. >> it sounds like a man. stop the train, stop the train. it was a crash and then smoke everywhere. >> reporter: initially foul play was suspected, that someone intentionally sent an empty four-car train head on into an eight-car train full of commuters. surveillance video and witness accounts indicate no one was at the controls of the runaway train, which was traveling at an estimated 20 miles an hour at impact. at this point, investigators have not found any evidence of wrongdoing.

>> there's no broken windows, no pried open doors. no graffiti or vandalism inside the rail car. we are doing a thorough investigation of this. >> reporter: but transit officials say someone must have started the train, which had been sidelined for repairs. the question is why. and how come two separate automatic emergency shutdown systems failed? >> it should have went through a series of interlocking and the train should have been tripped and went into what we call emergency. >> reporter: the collision comes after three months after a runaway train in canada killed 47 people. investigators here think the system is safe, even though they don't know what went wrong on in this case. >> we're looking at everything. if it's not signal, mechanical, you look at operations. it might be a human factor. >> reporter: while there were 33 injured, taken to nine local hospitals here, luckily, none of

those injuries were serious. chris and kate, this clearly could have been a lot worse. >> absolutely. thank you for the reporting. that's why getting the answer is so important. coming up next on "new day," deadly consequences as bolders came crashing down on a popular hiking trail. a tragedy that left only one girl alive. dysfunction in d.c. forget about the shutdown, what about the debt creeling? find out why the problem on the horizon is making even the shutdown look easy. illinois senator dick durbin joins us, next. the day my doctor told me i had diabetes,

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>> announcer: you're watching "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. welcome back to "new day," everyone. it is tuesday, october 1st. coming up in the show, we are now 7 1/2 hours into the government shutdown. congress unable to reach a deal on a spending bill by the midnight deadline. thousands of americans now without a paycheck, hundreds of thousands of americans. when will americans get a solution to this mess? and will there be another standoff in just about two weeks when congress debates the nation's debt limit? we ask illinois senator, democrat, dick durbin before getting the perspective of americans affected by the shutdown. much more on that, ahead. >> i like seeing the juxtaposition, the lawmaker and the people being affected by the laws. another story, five hikers in one family killed in a horrific rock collide in colorado, their daughter, the lone survivor. could last month's record rain be the cause?

we'll tell you about that story. first, let's get to michaela for the top news. here are the headlines, a chemical weapons team arriving in damascus to begin dismantling syria's toxic arsenal. they say they would cooperate after the u.s. and russia struck a deal endorsed by the uns security council. it is not an easy task. 7 of the 19 declared chemical weapons sites are in combat zones. iranian president hassan rouhani is giving thought to direct flights from iran. it stopped 30 some years ago. rouhani and president obama spoke recently. the first conversation between american and iranian presidents since 1979. the jury in the michael jackson wrongful death trial getting back from a long weekend and back to deliberations. the late superstar's mother,

katherine jackson claims aeg hired dr. conrad murray knowing the singer had a history of drug abuse. aeg denies hiring murray, saying jackson demanded him as his personal doctor. are you tired of the airline fees? there's more to come. these ones may soon be worth it. they may soon customize their flight using your data. you may be able to pay for an extra seat or hot first-class meals in coach. or you may be able to rent apple ipads with preloaded movies. a sportscaster feeling the love of aa devastating personal tragedy. he lost his 21-year-old daughter maria two weeks ago in a car accident. so the ohio state buckeyes football team in honor of her wore her initials, m.t., on their helmets during their last game. as you see this happening, as they all left the field, all 78

players, hugged him one by one. a visibly moved man went on air, told his audience that was amazing and it trulli was. that's team spirit. those are your headlines. kate, over to you. thank you so much. back to our lead story this morning. what is next after last night's shutdown? joining us to talk more about this, senator dick durbin, the number two top democrat in the senate from illinois. senator, it's great to see you. thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you, kate. >> after last night, i think the long and the short of it, americans, they want answers, most immediately this morning, what is going to happen? >> i'm not certain, but i can tell you, it was so disappointing when speaker boehner refused to even call for a vote, to vote to fund our government. it would have passed.

moderate democrats were beginning to speak out, saying even if we don't like obamacare, we don't want to see our government shutdown. the speaker should have called this measure for a vote. >> late last night after things fell apart, senator, the house moved to kick off negotiations, covering the hill for a long time, i know you know this well, moving to conference committee. the senate needs to do the same thing in order for those negotiations behind closed doors to happen. will senate democrats go to conference committee? >> well, what it boils down to is this, we believe the government should be open and functioning. hundreds of thousands of people who are being turned away from their important jobs for our government this morning should be back at work. the services of our government should be available and the embarrassment of a great nation like america with a shutdown government over a manufactured political crisis should end. of course the conversation should continue. but let's not do it with our government shutdown. >> what does that mean? are senate democrats going to go to conference committee or are we in a staring contest still?

>> senator reid said last night, even before government shutdown, we're prepared to go to that conference. we want the government open and functioning. we're counting on american families, who are going to see their savings and retirement accounts devastated by this political strategy. speak up and say to moderate republicans we need your leadership in this republican party to bring an end to this. then we can work out whatever differences we have. >> we are talking to some of the people impacted today and going forward because of the government shutdown. i think everyone agrees they want the government up and running. what you're telling me is that first the house needs to pass some kind of short-term funding bill before democrats are prepared to go to conference committee? >> i think that's a responsible way to approach this. we think that enough moderate republicans are starting to stand up and speak out in the senate and in the house. they rejected ted cruz tea party devastating approach to dealing with this issue. they want to be responsible

legislators, even if they don't like obamacare. they don't want to see a shutdown, this spiteful strategy we're in the midst of right now. >> senator, one thing we've heard from democrats and the president throughout this is that republicans are taking the my way or the highway approach. we're now hearing that same criticism targeted towards democrats and the president from republicans, that everyone is backed into a connor and they're not willing to negotiate. is that a fair criticism? >> most people in the body politic are taking a look at this. it never should have reached this point. there's wisdom to that. if they take the time to carefully look, they'll understand we had a funding bill sent to the house, which called for a vote would have been supported by democrats and republicans. this notion that whatever is going to go through the house has to be totally republican measure, that isn't how we govern. we govern with both parties working together. >> i fancy myself a smart

person, a logical person. as we sit here today i'm having a hard time seeing where there is room for compromise because neither side is backing down. where is the room for compromise? please lay that out for our viewers. >> it's hard thing to describe. at this point we've had the stark demands which have said defund obamacare. don't let the 40 million uninsured americans consider these insurance exchanges. >> nothing regarding the present health care law will see any vote in the senate in terms of as it's related to the funding bill? >> it's conceivable some aspect of it would be. the notion of delaying it or defunding it is not going to happen. >> what aspect, senator, i'll take anything at this point. >> let me give you an example. we can work out something on the medical device tax as long as we replace the revenue so we don't put a hole in the deficit and respond to this in a responsible fashion. that's one thing the republicans want to talk about. let's sit down and put that on the table. >> how many days are we going to

be in a shutdown do we think? >> i hope it isn't 24 hours. i hope before the end of the day that speaker boehner will call the funding bill, find the moderate republicans and democrats will make sure our government is up and running. >> let's hope your optimism will show results today, everyone is waiting and watching as people are not going to be going to work today. senator dick durbin, member of the democratic leadership of the senate, thank fyou for your tim this morning. >> thank you pop. > . we have some of the americans that we have been talking to all morning long, six join us here in studio. we wanted to talk to you joanna specifically about the fact that you're a young person, grew up in a small town. you actually say that that growing up in a small town has affected how you feel about all of this. explain what you mean by all of that. >> growing up in a small town, it was one of those small

michigan towns where half the people you graduate with end up in the military. so when i started to kind of study exactly what was happening over the last few weeks, months, whatever, my first concern was for how veterans and active military personnel were going to be affected. i think it's great that added that exemption to make sure active personnel and their families can still get paid. i think the whole process is frustrating because as we've stated before, there are things being affected that the public might not know about if you're not involved in the military or if you don't have a family member in the military. things that are falling about the way side that shouldn't be happening. >> what's your message to congress then? >> stop wasting my time and my money. i work very hard and i don't have a lot of money to show for it. i'm an actor. none of us make money. you know, but living paycheck to paycheck for the majority of my adult life, it's incredibly frustrating to see people that

are in public service that are not serving the public. my taxes are going to your salary. so what are you -- you're still getting paid, taking your family out to dinner. i'm figuring out what i'm going to do next week. >> i see you nodding in agreement. i heard you say, this is comedy. i don't like what's happening on either side. what makes you most angry? >> exactly. well, you know, i kind of feel like essentially when you go to day care and pick up your children and you see toddlers, you know, squabbling over a toy. >> you feel they're squabbling children? >> exactly. >> what's hanging in the balance for you personally. >> this is called the affordable care act. i feel like i'm underinsured. so it just opens up a sensibility for individuals like me who have chronic illnesses. you have to take and maintain mcs which can be very, very costly. >> these are just some of the

concerns. we'll ask you to stick around with us. we'll talk to you maybe one more time and check back with you to find out how this is impacting you, the threat of the shutdown, what's keeping you up at night, what are the concerns you have, uninsured, actors, military families, he's. we'll do that throughout the morning. i'll send it back over to you, kate and chris. >> thank you. huge rocks come crashing down on hikers in colorado. there's no warning. five are killed, only one survives. we'll tell you what happened. one family involved in all that. >> amazing video you see right there. also some amazing video. a case of intense road rage. bike errs take on the driver of suv, breaking windows, slashing tires. what set all this off? we'll have the latest, coming up. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:

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welcome back to "new day." a tragic ending to a desperate rescue mission in colorado. five hikers trapped by a rock slide 120 miles southwest of denver are dead. conditions so severe their bodies have yet to be recovered. a terrifying and heart wrenching scene in colorado this morning. the "denver post" reports family members were hiking an easy and popular trail when a massive rock slide kurd. >> it looks like there was a cliff bank above the falls and it looks like it split off of that. >> according to the post, five hikers were buried as bolders the size of cars, some weighing nearly 100 tons cascaded down the mountain. >> the whole left side where it's gray, it's just gone. it used to be a big massive pillar of black rock. a whole side of the mountain is missing. >> rescuers pulled out a sixth person, a survivor, 13-year-old gracie johnson.

she was air lifted to a local hospital. the sheriff declined to identify the dead. rescue workers were halted yesterday after engineers said the area was too unstable. today the hope of any other survive he's, lost. >> this is a recovery effort at this point. >> reporter: officials told the denver post they were able to visually confirm the others among the group were among those buried. the sheriff told the paper, there is no one alive up there. >> for 13-year-old gracie johnson, she suffered a broken limb. recovery teams plan to try to re-enter the rock slide area this afternoon to see if they can recover the remaining bodies. what a tragedy to that area. we'll hopefully be able to bring you more information about her recovery. >> hard to believe that can happen. >> and so quickly. an easy trail. that's the other thing. wow. >> michaela, thanks. coming up next on "new day," calls for new dna testing in the

amanda knox trial. italian judges want to say a closer look at the knife used in the killing of myrrh death kercher. check this out, a gang of bikers chased down an suv driver and attack him, all caught on tape. why did they go after him? and why has no one been arrested yet? we have the video and the controversy, straight ahead. [ male announcer ] this is pam. her busy saturday begins with back pain, when... hey pam, you should take advil. why? you can take four advil for all day relief. so i should give up my two aleve for more pills with advil? you're joking right? for my back pain, i want my aleve.

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you have to see this video of this terrifying highway showdown. new york police are on the hunt for a pack of motorcyclists. maybe you can help identify them. this video shows them surround a family of three in their suv. the driver plows through them. police say what followed was a high-speed chase with a brutal ending. "early start" anchor has this story for us. >> video terrifying all the more so when you realize that the driver's 2-year-old daughter was in the car. >> a road rage clash caught on camera. the driver of this range rover gets caught up in a pack of motorcycles on new york city's west side highway. take a look at how it started. a biker pulls in front of the suv, appearing to slow down. the driver apparently accidentally bumps the back tire, breaking the biker's leg. between 20 and 30 bikers descend

on the suv, surrounding him. police say they begin denting his car and slashing his tires. fearing for his life, police say, the driver barrels through the mob with his wife and 2-year-old daughter in the car, hitting three more of the bikers. they are now in pursuit. they catch up and one opens the droor. the driver of the suv floors it and gets away. the chase begins again and moves off the highway. this time, there's nowhere to go. stuck behind new york city traffic, an enraged biker makes his move, using his helmet to bash in the driver's window. >> he is taken out of the car and assaulted. he received some stitches at columbia presbyterian hospital. he has been treated and released. >> new york city police are now investigating, looking for the members of the motorcycle group called hollywood stunts. >> this is sort of a major stunt event where motorcyclists from

various locations come together. their ultimate goal is to get into times square. >> here they are in this video, posted to youtube. more than 1,000 motorcycles, dirt bikes and four wheelers taking over times square in 2012. now police are checking security cameras for any information that could lead to arrests. >> it's just horrifying, seeing them bash in that rear window. remember, the 2-year-old daughter was in the car. the driver did receive stitches at the hospital. he has been released and is doing fine. wiest and daughter not hurt in that awful incident. >> all caught on camera by one of the motorcycles. >> no arrests yet. still looking. >> still investigating. thanks so much, john. on "new day," amanda knox, the retrial. her defense team is calling for new dna tests to help prove her innocence. the latest on that, ahead. and later, key players from capitol hill explain why our government is shut down.

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you do not use the threat of shutting down government to try to advance your policy agenda. >> breaking overnight. no to a deal. yes to a bad deal for you, a government shutdown. the u.s. government now closed for business. hundreds of thousands of workers and a whole american economy

held hostage as congress can't come to a compromise. >> the hardest hit, workers without paychecks. some government services suspended. we break down what's opened and what's closed. all this as a major part of obama care begins this morning. dr. sanjay gupta with what you need to know. new twist in the retrial of amanda knox, key piece of evidence that they now want re-xm re re-examined. could it exonerate the american? good morning. welcome back to "new day." it is tuesday, october 1st, 8:00 in the east. eight hours and counting now in the first government shutdown in 18 years. trying to reach a deal before the midnight deadline. hundreds of thousands of people will now go without pay.

we'll talk live with the panel of real americans just like you, just like me, here in studio about how the shutdown affects them. we'll have that just ahead. >> most of the important functions are still going. federal agencies, including nasa, have gone dark. this is what their live tv channel looks like now, a graphic explaining why they can't run it. statue of liberty, landmarks closed. those have affects on businesses that depend on them. the biggest thing is the unknown. it isn't like a shutdown, if the debt ceiling limit goes wrong, it could be very bad. congressman darrell issa, senator paul rand and white house correspondent jay carney. we will keep you updated all along the way. we have the shutdown covered from all angles this morning.

let's start with brianna keilar at the white house. good morning, brianna. >> chris, good morning to you. as we headed toward that midnight deadline last night, the white house shut out a memo to its agencies, instructing them to execute their plans for an orderly shutdown. this morning, congress remains at an impasse. overnight, president obama released a message to the troops. >> you and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we're seeing in congress. >> after signing a bill into law agreed upon by congress in order to keep paying the military. >> i'll keep working to get congress to reopen our government and get you back to work as soon as possible. >> in a heated floor debate -- >> stand with your country, do you stand for your country or do you want to take it down? >> but failed to reach an agreement to keep the government funded. >> the house has made its position known very clearly. >> this morning, national parks and museums are closed for business and hundreds of

thousands of nonessential government employees are furloughed indefinitely. house republicans did not blink in their demand to push forward a new plan to tie government spending to a weakening of obama care, which begins open enrollment this morning. president obama blamed house republicans on monday night and reiterated this was, quote, entirely preventible. >> one faction of one party in one house of congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election. >> house speak er john boehner fought back. >> i'm not going to renegotiate. it's not about me. it's about fairness for the american people. >> reporter: after days of talking past each other, competing plans ping pong friday one chamber to the other and now a government shutdown for the

first time since 1996, when bill clinton was in the white house, republican speaker newt gingrich ruled the house of representatives and their standoff lasted for weeks. back then, it was republicans who ultimately were blamed by the public for the shutdown. polls indicate and people who have been through this before, kate, really think that that's what's going to happen again. but really, in a situation like this, everyone kind of loses, the white house included, as well as congressional democrats along with congressional republicans and certainly the american people as well. >> i know you know this well. the american people are the first to lose when they start fighting and can't come to any compromise. brianna, thank you very much. right now, the shutdown means 800,000 federal employees are off the job. they will be today. all 400 plus national parks are closed, national archive museums closed as well as many zoos and

most presidential libraries. that's some of the small stuff. it's really about the federal employees that take the biggest hit. the post office will still operate, passport offices will still function. for social security, you at least don't have to worry about that. checks will still go out. the shutdown is impacting millions, though. christine romans is here to dig deeper on how americans will be impacted not just today, but tomorrow and however long it takes to get an agreement. >> you're right. it shows your congress is dysfunctional. it also shows that you will feel this on main street. this morning, hundreds of thousands of federal civil service employees are waking up to their new furlough status. >> our economy will be affected by it, and that is scary. it's too much for normal middle-class, lower-class people to deal with right now. >> all across the country, national monuments, zoos and

parks closed for business. >> along with the government shutdown comes the closure of all the nation's national parks, including lady liberty. for folks coming to new york to see the iconic statue of liberty, this may be their last chance in who knows how long. >> welcome aboard. statue cruises. >> they're writing off their vacation plans as well. >> there's not much i can do about it. if i'm furloughed, we'll deal with that. >> reporter: sure to take a toll on its employees, like those who work at liberty island. >> has a big impact on the check. >> my only source of income. >> reporter: not only are employees at national monuments staying home today, 97% of nasa employees are closing the office doors on the agency's 55th birthday. the washington monument, smithsonian and even the national zoo, closed for business. >> the national zoo is a ghost

town. it's been closed since 8:00 pm last night. now, the national park service says that anything that is a safety function will continue to be funded and any employee that comes here to feed and take care of the animals will continue to do that, but if you want to see the pandas online, too bad. even the animal cams are going dark. >> when they're shut down it takes away from thing that is families can do. >> local businesses around the hill worry that lack of tourists will dry up their income as well. >> d.c. might be the next detroit because when half the city is unemployed or doesn't have a paying job, this could become detroit in close to two months. >> across to the mountains, national parks taking a hit, too. >> in the angeles national forest, yellowstone, mt. rushmore, yosemite now closed. anyone now camping has 48 hours to vacate.

>> we've been coming to this park for 44 years. it's not fun if we have to get booted zblut we've invested quite a bit to come out here to see this. it's going to be a huge disappointment. huge disappointment. >> worst case scenario, this thing drags on for a month. you're looking at maybe a $55 billion hit to the economy for lost wages, contracts, unfilled orders, uncollected fees. mandatory spending continues. and implementation of obama keratins. that's considered mandatory at this point. the shutdown doesn't affect it. chris? >> did it need to happen at all? christine, thank you for the reporting on that. boy, what a difference a day makes. take a listen to this. >> when this fails will you vote for a one-week -- >> how dare you presume a failure. how dare you. how dare you. how dare you presume a failure. the fact is -- the fact is this country is based on people saying they won't do things and at the end of the day coming

together for compromise. >> that's darrell issa, california republican and chairman of the house committee on oversight and government reform chiding a reporting for thinking a government shutdown would happen. and, of course, it has. thank you for joining us on the show. what happened to that guy, the guy who was disgusted at even the idea of a shutdown who said it's all about compromise? what happened to him? >> he's still here. he's sitting here. but the president refused to compromise. senator reid hasn't even -- he already said he is not going to go to conference or the constitutional event where we're supposed to come together and compromise. understand, the president has, on his own, virtually once a month for eight months found reasons to delay all kinds of the mandates. all we're trying to do is keep the american people from being forced in to buying into exchanges before they are even up and running or we know how much they cost.

so, is it small? yes, it's small. is it worth a shutdown? of course not. but the president has, the senate has compromised. we've gone back and forth. last two times we sent something to the senate instead of coming back with a counter offer, they simply tabled it. we have an opportunity to come with compromise. we're asking for it. if the senate at 9:30 this morning opens up and rejects the offer to have a conference, which is an offer to go to compromise, then they're rejecting the constitutional process. it's certainly not us. speaker boehner wants to get to a resolution. he has said so. maybe 17 years ago it was different, but house republicans want to have something that protects american private sector jobs and we're trying to get it again and again. >> the constitutional mandate is not to exceed to your wishes on legislation that's already passed. you know that. and you did shut down the government. >> no, chris, i'm not going to let you have a pass on that.

>> well, you're not going to let me have a pass? you just said a shutdown isn't worth it, but you shut down the government. >> we originate funding. this is a constitutional responsibility. it takes thousands in the senate to pass legislation. the president has said that unions are getting a pass on implementation as of today. all we're saying is that the american worker should get a two, three, five-month whatever delay. give the american worker opportunity to see what's in the exchanges before they're forced into it. that's allware asking. >> it is a strong point. it needs debate. arguably, it needs fixing, but it is also separate from what's going on. you want to use the phrase constitutional mandate. i applaud you for using it. however the mandate is for you to fund the government. not for you to not fund the government. that's a decision you made here and you made it for the political reasons that you lay out. >> chris, bless your heart, but -- >> let me speak. one second. listen -- >> you have the right to fund

the government. you have the right to fund the government to a lesser amount. >> but you're not funding it. you shut it down. and it's been done by democrats, too. >> tip o'neill shut down the government seven times because president reagan wouldn't agree to his excess spending. you can shut down because you don't get enough money spent. you can also have a discussion about spending too much. you could have a discussion not just about what we spend, but we could have a discussion about what it costs the american people. >> that's a fair point. >> understand, the senate won't go to compromise. we're asking for an opportunity to have compromise between the house and the senate and harry reid is listening to the president and not doing what senators do. srnt senators are generally more willing to compromise n this case, the house is more willing to compromise than the senate. >> i appreciate your point and i'm trying to be respectful. we're on a two-way.

sorry to step on you so much. >> sure, of course. >> one, you are driving this bus. you can blame all you want, and the democrats certainly share responsibility. the president's leadership certainly an issue. but you are driving the bus on what happens with the shutdown. the mandate is to fund the government. if speaker boehner had put up a clean resolution to fund the government without any attachments last night, the word is that it would have passed. but he didn't believe it. do you believe it would have passed if it had been put up by the speaker? >> i certainly believe that the house is prepared to go into negotiations. if they would agree to go to conference but take our bill we sent over last night, change it and agree to go to conference and send us back a ten-day turn back on the government, i strongly believe that house leadership would go for it. we certainly would love to have 10, 15, 20 days if that's what it takes to conference some of these differences on protecting american jobs. but we didn't get a counter offer that says stay open for

ten days, go to conference. what we got from harry reid is i won't even consider going to conference. and oh, by the way, i'll let the government shut down because i've gone to bed. that's what we got last night. i personally would vote for 10 days, even 30 days if that was necessary so we could resolve these differences. but these are important differences. you understand, obama care is the law of the land but it doesn't mean that it's perfect or it's ready for prime time, or it won't hurt american jobs. and i think that's something that house leadership is concerned about. we said we don't want to shut down the government but we do want to protect american workers from being forced into something that's not yet ready. >> you do need to acknowledge, representative, for all of the analysis that you've provided, which all can be 100% sound, you did shut down the government. it is hurting families, many of whom live on the margins and you know that. i want to ask you if you think that that's wrong. >> you can't accuse me of

beating my wife and then turn around and tell me, isn't that true? we did not shut down the government. we offered to the senate again and again things to keep the government fully funded. we have said we want to go to conference. we want to have a discussion about the delay of portions of obama care for a short period of time in order to get it right. we know that the vast majority of senators agree with us. they're simply being told don't cross your president. any change to obama care unless president obama makes the change, which he has done more than half a dozen times, is unacceptable. the american people want compromise. we're saying we want compromise. this morning at 9:30 when the senate opens, they have an opportunity to have a discussion with us openly about the things we need to do to get this government open again. i would vote for a short-term cr in order to have that conference passed. i know the speaker and the leadership would, too. but we're not dealing with that. we're dealing with my way or the highway. no changes to obama care, even

if they're hurting the american worker or they're forcing people into a program that's not yet defined. so, i understand everyone wants to say that the reason that federal workers at the parks aren't there is because of republicans, but it's not. we've given every single time and opportunity for compromise. and we're not even getting counter offers. >> i got you. there's plenty of blame to go around. i can't wait for word that the vote has been done so people start getting paid again. representative is. a, thank you for coming on "new day." appreciate you taking the opportunity. >> thank you, chris. >> kate, over to you. talking with us throughout this morning are people who have been directly hit from this shutdown. everybody is going to be hit by this shutdown, including small business owners, people from military families, all worried about what's next for you guys and for all of us in the country. you own a small business. you'll be directly impacted by this. how quickly? >> today. we had an event scheduled at one of the museums in d.c. today, and it is already canceled.

because of the nature of the event we don't know if it's coming back, it will be rescheduled or going away for good. >> this isn't something in theory that could happen down the road. a lot of the conversation on capitol hill, and we heard it more this morning, is the difference between compromise or standing firm on something on principle. when you're faced with a direct hit to your income and your employees, which one matters to you? >> probably the direct hit on income. >> do you think that lawmakers should focus more on compromise or standing firm on -- >> they should definitely focus more on compromise. congressman and senators have taken an oath to uphold the constitution, and they're not doing it. they're not meeting across the aisle, as they say. they're not working together. it's a lot of he said, she said. they definitely need compromise. >> we talked a little bit this

morning about how federal workers, you're going to be taking a hit in your paycheck, federal workers are furloughed, they'll be taking a hit in their paycheck. does it matter to you whether or not lawmakers continue to be paid, they continue to accept their income, their salary while the government is shut down? >> yes. it to me, it does. lawmakers should take significant cuts. unfortunately, a lot of them are already financially well off that it won't matter to them. but take away their perks, their security details, take away their cars, their company parking spots, anything to make them realize that what they're doing is having an impact on them as well as the public. >> janet, real quick. you're part of a military family. right now your family is stationed in georgia. that's a real part of the country. that's not capitol hill. that's not congress. that's a real part of the country. as a military family, do you have confidence in government still? your family has taken -- has

promised to serve the country, to serve the government, to protect the country. do you have confidence in your government when something like this happens? >> no. i think it does make my faith in my government -- it takes a hit definitely. >> they say they're listening to their constituents. what do you want them to hear then this morning? >> i want them to start caring and start showing us that they care. like he was saying, take a hit in your pay. see what it feels like to be us, rather than just being up on capitol hill, claiming that you're sticking to your values and standing your ground rather than looking for a compromise that helps us, the american people, who put them there. >> maybe today compromise will stop being a dirty word on capitol hill. it may be a good thing, i think we can all agree. >> let's hope. we want to know also what you think. tweet us. tell us what you think about the government shutdown and where you think things can go from here. remember to use #newday.

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have been aboard. ran off the runway rammed into a hangar and burst into flames. two top marine corps generals fired for failing to protect troops from a taliban attack. dressed in american army uniforms, burst in, killing two marines. six aircraft were also destroyed. marine corps commandant says they did not take adequate security measures to protect that base. prenatal yoga dvd assistant. bit of a catch. he was helping his wife, hilaria. so far, the reviews not so hot. seems baldwin seems a little bit out of his comfort zone. his wife, however, is a former yoga teacher. what was the craziest thing you've had to do for your wife? yes, dear, i will -- fill in the blank. >> put on the spot. >> do whatever they say. that's probably why alec baldwin

is sitting where he is. he knows nobody wants to look at him doing yoga, pregnant yoga, whatever it is. alec, come on the show right now, do some yoga. it would be great to have him here today. >> it would be. >> he would be doing shutdown yoga, tied in knots. >> there you go. >> maybe more mindful of the things we ask our better halves to do after we saw that. >> my husband will never have to do yoga with me. >> i've done yoga with my wife. namaste. >> on a dvd? >> when i heard that word the first time i thought it was you must stay. >> you must stay. coming up next on "new day," president health care law in effect this morning. will it help you and your family? dr. sanjay gupta will help us in looking for answers. white house press secretary jay carney and senator rand paul

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welcome back. while the federal government is closing, obama care or the affordable care act, their exchanges are opening. millions of uninsured americans are able to select a policy that is supposed to best fit their needs online. or are they? americans are far from convinced obama care will help them. a new cnn/orc poll out this morning shows that only 17% of americans believe their family will benefit. better than 70% say it will help other families or nobody. so, let's try to get some

clarity here. dr. sanjay gupta is in greenville, south carolina, where one-fifth of the state's population lacks health care insurance. part of the cnn express, the bus tour, to help explain these things. good morning, doc. few americans think obama care will help them. another report source from kyser said 70% of consumers don't know the basis about the marketplace that opens today. so, can you walk us through who can sign up and how can they do it? >> well, anybody can go to the site now, chris. it just opened up at 8:00 am eastern. we've already been on the site. by the judge of things, it seems like traffic is actually pretty high. we looked at the state of georgia, for example. they're already saying there's so many visitors that the site is not opened for everybody right now because they're getting a lot of traffic. so, it gives a little bit of a sign of the interest in this. you're absolutely right. there's still a lot of confusion. i would start off by saying this, chris. for a lot of people out there who have insurance through their

jobs, through their employers now, they haven't been focused on this. and, in part, for a good reason. their lives may not change a lot. but for the 48 million or so people who are uninsured, this is really a very important day. historic day for them, potentially. so they get a chance to go on healthcare.gov is the website. it's a three-page application on there, chris. one of the things you won't see as part of that application are questions about your health. because that is not relevant to determining the price. you can't discriminate based on pre-existing conditions. so, people go to the site, i think they're going to find what it is exactly, it may not be that complicated for them. >> once you get to the site there are, what, four different levels of coverage to choose from that go different types of metals? how are they different, what do they mean? >> just like when we pick our own insurance plans through cnn, it's a similar sort of thing. you have a platinum to a bronze. pay more money on your premiums,

get lower co-pays and lower deductibles. you pay less money for a premium, you have higher co-pays and higher deductibles. if you're someone who doesn't think you have any illnesses, you don't think you're going to get sick, you may want to pay lower premiums, but you will pay higher co-pay if you end up in the hospital. that's sort of the way the system is now. that's going to be the similar system on this marketplace, chris. >> sources of confusion, doctors. if someone signs up for insurance via the marketplace, will they still be able to choose their own doctor, keep their own doctor? you know the concern. >> yeah. and, you know, i looked into this quite a bit. the best way to answer that is to say it is possible that you keep your own doctor, but if your doctor is now out of network because you picked an insurance plan where that doctor does not accept, you may pay more to see that doctor, out-of-network expenses. very similar to what people have now if they have insurance. that will sound familiar to them. for people who don't have

insurance, they don't have a doctor that they're trying to keep. vast majority of people who are joining this marketplace for the first time, this is sort of a new experience for them, chris. and in terms of having doctors that they will call their own. >> anybody that that happens to where they don't get to keep their doctor, they're going to be sore. word will spread. it's one of the doubts about the plan. a lot of this debate comes down to money. for people who don't have insurance currently likely don't have it because they can't afford it. what can people expect to pay, on average? >> if you fall into this group of people who are uninsured and now you have to go to the marketplace to get insurance, the expectation is -- we're going to keep track of these numbers very closely, chris, but the expectation is about six in ten people, 60%, will pay less than $100 a month for those premiums. that's a pretty good deal. but there are people who may pay more, depending on where they -- if they qualify for subsidies or other sorts of benefits. about $100 a month, roughly.

>> san jay, thank you so much. if there had been any question, all doubt has been removed as to whether or not you are a rock star, because you have your own tour bus. look at that bad boy right there. sanjay gupta, md. look at the picture. handsome and informative. >> i am blushing, chris. zblur not. >> you made me blush. >> he's going on his tour, rolling out. he will be in lexington, kentucky, next. come out and see sanjay. you better have shades on. >> i hear envy coming from this table. >> i can't even get a seat on the bus. >> it's okay. >> my best chance is sanjay throwing me under the bus. thanks to sanjay gupta. great information. up next on "new day," who is to blame for the government shutdown? we'll get both sides of the debate when we're joined live this hour by kentucky senator rand paul as well as white house spokesman jay carney.

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welcome back to "new day." it's tuesday, october 1st. grab your coffee. bitter budget battle comes to a head. what will turn around the government shutdown? we'll take it on. >> we'll speak exclusively with kentucky senator rand paul, with the latest from republicans and also joined by white house press secretary jay carney to tell us the president's reaction and his next move. the five things to know for your "new day." number one, the u.s. government, as you well know, shut down. 800,000 federal workers facing

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welcome back to "new day." we are almost nine hours into a government shutdown after congress was unable to reach an agreement to keep the government open and to fund the government. so, how will lawmakers work their way out of this stalemate? is this just a prequell to the upcoming fight, many would argue the bigger fight, the debt

ceiling. senator rand paul is joining us from capitol hill. thank you so much for your time this morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. from your perspective, where do things go from here this morning? >> well, you know, i've had a couple of suggestions. one suggestion is that when we disagree, historically, we've gone to conference committee. you have republicans in the house who want to alter or compromise on obama care. you have senate democrats unwilling to. so if you have a disagreement, you come together with equal number of republicans and democrats and find a compromise. >> not a bad idea. that's something that house republicans move to do after things fell apart yesterday. i spoke with senator dick durbin said they would be open to going to conference, but first they want to see republicans stop a -- they don't want to go to conference with a gun held to their heads, senator harry reid said. is that something you could support? >> pass a very short term. maybe not six weeks but one

week, so we could negotiate over a week. i think keeping the government open while we negotiate is a good idea. negotiating with the government closed probably to them feels like strong-arm tactics. i think it needs to be short-term enough that we are having an active negotiation so we don't say we're going to fund it for three months or two months and come back. we did it for a week or two, we could still continue to negotiate, have a conference committee and really the american people do want us to work this out. >> that might be the first glimmer of hope i've heard all morning. i appreciate it. democrats will argue that they've been calling -- you've been calling for going to conference for a while. democrats have also been saying they've been saying that for a while, to go to conference to hammer out these budget issues. do you think speaker boehner then made a mistake that he didn't make a move to go to conference earlier? because this was their -- kind of their last straw last night. >> right. well, i think that -- to go to

conference it takes both sides agreeing to it. i don't think that the house has been against it. i think the interesting thing about this process is that we've offered a lot of different compromises. our first position really wasn't so much a compromise. we don't want obama care. we think it's a bad idea and going to hurt people. we offered to get rid of it completely. but that didn't pass. so we offered a compromise to say, look, you've been delaying other parts of it. why don't we delay the whole thing for a year? that, i think, is a compromise position.rejected. we then offered to delay only the individual mandate. the president has done it with the employer mandate. that's been another compromise that's been rejected. we're offering a clean cr for a week or two. my understanding is that senator reid has rejected that out of hand as well. we're offering a series of moving compromises trying to get a middle position and we haven't gotten anything back from the democrats that they're willing to compromise. >> how do you respond to democrats who say but you're beginning from an irrational bargaining position?

they don't think that these budget negotiations should have anything to do with the president's health care law. just keep the government funded and fight it out separately? >> if you and i disagree and i start out by calling you irrational, we're not going to get anywhere. obviously when we disagree, we don't like the premise of the other person's position. funding is a function of congress. so, a law is passed. but how we fund it and how we modify that law overtime -- it doesn't mean that from here till the end of time obama care is everything that the president wanted it to be. the president has been modifying his own plan over the past several months. should congress not be part of that? some of us think it's illegal for the president to do it without our authority. so, really, i think we should be part of the mix and he shouldn't get 100% of obama care as he wants it without any input from republicans as well as the rest of the country. >> so, senator, kind of how this all really -- this end stage kind of kicked off is you stood with senator ted cruz in that

marathon protest on the senate floor. when you look at that, where you stood there and where we are today, do you think that protest helped or hurt negotiations? i ask that because we are hearing more and more some moderate republicans in the house saying things like the ted cruz wing of the party in terms of criticizing how things have been handled. >> i think it was helpful to talk more about it. we haven't had a big debate about obama care since it passed in congress. it was helpful to have a debate. i'm going on the exchanges, buying my insurance on the obama care exchanges. in my state there's only going to be two insurance companies. used to be 30. one of my choices doesn't cover me out of state. so when i travel up here and because of all the shutdown, i have a heart attack, i want my insurance to cover me here. but under obama care, it's not going to cover me in washington. so, i mean, there's a lot of problems with this that if we

don't work it out, we're just going to cause millions of people to go into these exchanges and they're not ready. >> let's hope that never happens, no heart attack no matter what happens in the job. i'll say that. real quick, senator, democrats, the republicans say will be blamed. the president says republicans will be blamed for the shutdown. i know you love to debate methodology. polls we have say that the republicans will face more of the blame now that the government is shut down. does that concern you at all? >> i think what we ought to do is argue about right and wrong. right now we're borrowing $30,000 every second. we have $17 trillion in debt. we're adding nearly $1 trillion in debt every year. that's because we continue to spend. what's called a continuing resolution, without reforming it. so i don't think we can go on. while i don't want to shut down government and i would be for short-term solutions to keep it open, i think we do sometimes have to make a stand and say enough is enough.

we're spending our kids' future and can't keep doing it this way. >> thank you for your perspective and for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> chris? we'll take a quick break. when we come back, the white house will weigh in. we'll talk with press secretary jay carney about what's being done to get the government going again. stay with us. with pride. create moments of value. build character through quality. and earn the right to be called a classic. the lands' end no iron dress shirt. starting at 49 dollars. that's why i take doctor recommended colace capsules. [ male announcer ] for certain medical conditions where straining should be avoided, colace softens the stool for effective relief from occasional constipation. go to colacecapsules.com for savings.

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welcome back. we've heard from some

republicans. we have to worry about the looming debt ceiling. it can only get worse in that situation. we have jay carney, white house press secretary, who joins us now. thanks for being with us. appreciate you taking the opportunity. >> chris, glad to be here. thank you. >> from the other side, the allegation is clear. it is on you at the white house because you are making plenty of changes to the affordable care act on your own. stop saying that you won't compromise and call for conference. will you do it? >> chris, as you know, the president has asked for no concessions, nothing to go along with congress' responsibility to fund the government. the president has asked for nothing to go along with congress' responsibility. constitutional responsibility to ensure that our bills are paid and, therefore, raise the debt ceiling. the only party to this discussion that is attaching political and ideological agenda

items to that responsibility are the house republicans. in particular, the tea party caucus of the house republican conference. so you have one faction of one party of one house, of one branch of government driving us to shut down and potentially, far worse, driving us to default for the first time in our history. the president is ready to have discussions and negotiations, as he has been willing all year, how to improve where it can be improved the affordable care act, how we can responsibly fund our budget priorities, protect the middle class, invest where we need to so the government can grow and continue to reduce our deficit. he wouldn't do that under the threat of shutdown or under default because republicans who didn't get what they wanted on the affordable care act through the legislative process or election process or through the supreme court are basically holding the american people

hostage in an attempt to do it that way. >> look where we are, jay. we need leadership. we need compromise. doesn't it stand to reason that if you do nothing, we're just going to wind up watching these people's lives get compromised? >> chris, the president has compromised. he has had a budget on the table since the beginning of the year in which he has offered, you know, real tough choices for a democratic president, to the consternation, in some cases, to his own party. what we haven't seen from the republicans is a commenserate. those who have been interested in the idea of finding common ground. when you talk about compromise, if the president were behaving the way republicans were, he might say i won't sign a bill keeping the government open unless republicans agree to extend background checks on gun sales. that's a priority of his. or i won't sign a bill to pay our bills, to prevent us from defaulting unless i get some

other priority of mine that i couldn't get through the normal process. instead, he is showing compromise and saying i'm not -- i am not attaching -- i'm not asking for anything when it comes to congress doing its job, which is to pay the bills of the government and ensure the government remains open. >> isn't he flexing his muscle by saying i'm not going to put anything on this bill? you fund the government and then we'll talk? by refusing any compromise, is helping to push us into the shutdown. >> chris, i don't understand. you're talking about a bill where the republicans who say, you know, basically defund or delay a major piece of domestic legislation that they could not achieve legislatively, they could not achieve at the ballot box and in return for that, we'll fund the government for 45 days and then we'll come back in 45 days and say we want to take a woman's right to get access to contraception through health care plans. we're going to give that authority to her boss instead of herself. and then, you know, the next time we're going to ask for something else. all these agenda items,

ideological agenda items that have nothing to do with funding the government and make sure that the government does not default for the first time in history. the president has been willing all year long. last year at the end of the year when we had budget negotiations over the so-called fiscal cliff, the main thing that republicans extracted from democrats and the president, they said, was the compromise that the senate would pass a budget. they complained bitterly that the senate, under the control of the democrats, had not passed a budget the way that the house had under the control of the republicans. so what happened? democrats agreed to do that. democrats passed a budget in the senate. the house passed their budget. democrats were ready to do -- return to regular order, which is what house republican leaders said they wanted, to negotiate over a budget. but guess what happened. when they got what they wanted, republicans refused to conference on that budget. they refused to sit down and negotiate. so, you know, we've operated in good faith here. the price of this extremism is

being exacted from the american people and the american economy. >> but they're not crazy about the affordable care act either. >> fine. >> they don't understand it. >> fine. >> that's the tricky thing about leadership. i get that it's difficult. that's part of being president which is why only one person gets the job. you have to find a better way. don't you? >> they don't like the affordable air care act and they ought to try to change it any way they can or repeal it any way they can. in the house they've done that now 42 times. the fact that the american people decided to re-elect president obama last year when his opponent ran very strongly against the affordable care act, i think, reaffirms and validates the fact that congress passed it, the supreme court upheld it and despite everything that's happening on capitol hill, americans across the country have the opportunity to enroll and get action toes affordable health insurance they never had before. >> i get that tying the shutdown to the affordable care act is unusual in terms of politics and

unacceptable to the people who are being punished. no question about that. now we're looking at the debt ceiling. d.c. can't fix what they break with the debt ceiling because the markets are going to respond. you know the dominos that fall there. so, that's the question about leadership. what are you doing down there to str strategize going forward? that fight matters. >> on behalf of the country, the economy and on behalf of every future president, no matter what his or her party, the president refuses to have the full faith and credit of the united states held hostage by a faction within one party, of one house, of one branch of government. he is not -- he is saying congress must raise the debt ceiling. i will sign the bill that has congress raising the debt ceiling without asking for any concessions on my part. republicans are saying what they'll do -- what we're seeing with the shutdown is a preview

of what they're willing to do with the debt ceiling. they will allow the united states to default with all the terrible consequences that you just mentioned, unless they get what they want. unless they get what they couldn't get at the ballot box, through congress or from the supreme court. the consequences of that would be catastrophic. financial experts would know better than i, but you're talking about a situation where the bedrock economy in the global system, united states economy, would suddenly be cast in doubt. and so much of the world economy depends on the stability of the american system that default would be -- would make what's happening now under shutdown pale by comparison. >> thank you for taking the opportunity. i guess to paraphrase the president, we're hoping that from a leadership perspective he opens the fist a little bit, starts reaching out his hand to the other side so we can avoid crisis. >> i have to say -- i can't let you end that way. the president is ready to sit down with the republicans, at he has all year long. he won't let rks hold the

american people hostage in return for their ideological demands. that would be irresponsible and the opposite of leadership. >> white house gets last word. jay carney, thank you so much for coming on "new day." we'll take a break right now. stay with us. ready to run your lines?

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