thank you for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. head to cnn.com/sotu for analysis and extras throughout the week. if you missed any part of today's show, find us on itunes, and fareed zakaria is next. this is "gps" the dplobl public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. we have a fascinating show with two big exclusive interviews. we'll starred with iran's foreign minister. on netanyahu's warnings about iran, and much more. also -- ♪ it was a beautiful day >> it's a beautiful day when bono comes to the gps set to

talk about all manner of things. from why americans should be proud of foreign aid to why conservatives really do care about the poor. also, tanks, attack helicopters, rocket-propelled grenades, ak-47s, all of them fuel the fires of war. the u.n. wants to regulate this trade. why is that a bad idea? you will not be surprised when i tell you what's the holdup. anyone yourself in a fire there's an app. for that. of course. there's a defining mom of a democracy when an outgoing leader celebrates the election of a new one from the opposing pardon.

across the world, this is the acid test of a genuine democracy. mexicans will tell you they knew they had gotten there when their president after seven decades of one-party -- and affirmed his legitimacy. the basic and powerful idea behind in ritual is in a democracy the process is more important than the outcome. in a genuine democratic process has been followed, we have to accept the results, regarding of how much we may dislike them. >> while i strongly disagree with the court's decision, i accept it. >> complicated, politicized, but utterly constitutional that put

george w. bush in the white house. it must also have been very difficult for richard nixon to report the results of the 1960 ewhere john f. kennedy won by a razor-thin margin and marred by voter fraud. but he did. however much you dislike the outcome, you respect the democratic process. that's what is at stake in washington this week. the debate going on there was not trivial, not transitory and not about obama care. whatever you think about the affordable care act, it was a law that was passed by the house of representatives, then the senate, signed by the president, and validated by the supreme court as constitutional. that doesn't mean it can't be repealed. of course it can be repealed, as can most laws, but to do so, you would need another piece of legislation, one that says quite simply the affordable care act is repealed in its entirety. that would have to pass the

house, the senate and be signed into law by the president. what you cannot do, what cannot be allowed to stand is a dproup of legislators that cannot convince a majority in both houses and the president to agree with them, would then shut down the government or threaten default until they got their way. that is not democracy. that is extortion. i would be happy to see president obama compromise on the budget, taxes, spending, even obama care, but he cannot compromise on the principle that the rules of democracy must be respected whatever the outcome. if democrats had threatened to shut down the government or default on the debt to force the repeal of the bush tax cuts, or to defund the iraq war, i would have hoped that president george bush would also have been uncompromising. america's power and influence abroad deriving large measure from the strength of american democracy. and if politicians here start playing fast and loose with the

rules, dover whatever it takes to get the results they want, what does that say to people in russia? egypt? iran? venezuela? who get pious lectures on the rules of democracies from americans. it tells them there's something deeply rotten with the american system right now. let's get started. a few weeks ago it was unimaginable that the president of the united states and iran would chat, but of course it happened a few weeks ago. very few would have argued there was a real chance that the united states and iran would come to terms on tehran's nuclear program, but that is exactly what my next guest says. he should no. he is the man charged to negotiate a nuclear deal with the.

javad zarif, welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me. >> do you city continue to have that optimism? >> well, the first meeting we had was positive, but we didn't get into the details. and usually it's more difficult to negotiate the details. but i think it's a good beginning, it's a good political jump to the process, and we can start with this -- what i hope to be a political will, a political desire on the part of the members of e-3 plus three and iran to move forward and resolve this issue. what we have done in the past ten years has not benefited, it hasn't benefited iran. we have very serious sanctions that are hurting the iranian people, and at the same time instead of a few hundred

centrifuges, now we have 18,000. so nobody has benefited from this pattern of relations that we've had over the last eight years. there is a need for change, and i hope everybody realizes that we need to change that process, and hopefully begin something that would be to the benefit ofsh. >> so why does iran need nuclear energy. you burn off as much natural gas d. that is, you waste as much natural gas as your entire nuclear energy program produces. this is a huge investment, and you're enriching or creating, as you said thousands of centrifuges. it does seem odd that the world's largest petroleum exporter at its peak would need this massive investment in nuclear energy for peaceful

electricity when you have so many sources in oil and gas. >> well, there's several answers to your question, but in order to be brief, let me point to it. the first is at the -- it's a policy that's recommended, going through alternative sources of energy is now the major policy option from an environment perspective as well as sustainable development perspective is being suggested and promoted. it is interesting to note that in 1974, it was an american corporation, an american consulting firm, that silted to the shaw of iran shah of iran that -- i think there are grounds to believe that iran can

and needs to diversify its choices of energy for future generation. >> 40 countries have civilian nuclear energy. they do not enrich. >> yes. >> why do you need the capacity to enrich when most countries that use nuclear energy don't. >> we did not have any intention of enriching. we owned 20% of an enrichment company in france called -- unfortunate unfortunately we were not able to get a grant from them. they have where iran had to rely on it. now they cannot come back and try to rewrite history. iran has had to do this not out of its own choice, but out of necessity. iran is a proud nation. we believe we have the technological capability, we have the human resources, in order to stand on our own feet. and once the community or those

who have the capacity deprive us of that, we would rely on ourself. >> why did you build underground facilities. no, you see again, according to the agreement we had with the iaea, now the international mechanisms for monitoring have changed, improved in fact, but at the same time you were supposed to informed the iaea 180 days before you introduced uranium for the facility. the facility we had, when we showed it to the iaea, not a single gram of uranium had been introduced in that facility. there had been in other places, but unfortunately they have tried to present a different portrait. in the facility, which has become the subject of so much international enthusiasm -- >> because it was hidden.

>> yes, it wasn't supposed to be revealed. we were supposed to reveal that facility 180 days before we introduced uranium to that facility. when the director general of the iaea, mr. mohammed elbaradei visited, we had not introduced a single gram to that facility. it was a smaller facility where we had done some testing at the laboratory level. our technicians believed we did not need to inform the iaea, but it has nothing to do with that major facility. what we can do now, instead of looking back is use the iaea, with it is monitoring capabilities to make sure iran does not deviate from the program. the iaea has not been found a single evidence, and it has done more investigation in the past

ten years than probable in any other country, has not gotten to a single evidence that iran has diverted its activities into non-peaceful -- we are willing to take past questions and tars the path of transpatterns in order to remove any doubt. as i said, it's? you're own interests to make sure the national community considers or program to be totally peaceful and totally proliferation resistant. >> we're going to take a break. a lot more ahead on the show, including my interview with bono, but up next babb with jahvid valida arrive. 678 stay with us. sales go down, i'm not happy. merch comes back, i'm not happy. use ups. they make returns easy. unhappy customer becomes happy customer. then, repeat customer. easy returns, i'm happy. repeat customers, i'm happy. sales go up, i'm happy. i ordered another pair. i'm happy. (both) i'm happy.

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at the u.n., i drew a red line. now, iran has been very careful not to cross that line, but iran is positioning itself to race across that line in the future at a time of its choosing. >> and we are back with iran's foreign minister jahvid zarif. what did you think of prime

minister netanyahu's remarks at the united nations? >> unfortunately we find it -- and to conduct a policy of fearmongering. israel has been pushing the line since 1992 -- what i've seen is since 1992, israel has been saying, and most of it has been netanyahu himself that iran is six months away from a nuclear bomb, now, what is it, 22 years, 21 years from 1992? we still don't have a bomb. we won't have a bomb, because we don't see it in our interests. it's interesting, israel is one of the three states outside the

israel has a nuke lauer programs. it's known to have 200 warhead, at least, nuclear warheads. and that regime has the all das why theity to go around and introduce a member of the npt, in fun compliance of its obligations, of become a nuclear threat. people already know it's a nuclear threat. the nuclear arsenal is a major security threat to the region and to the world. in fact several conversations and continuing in 2000, and then in 2010, they have all -- and in fact unanimity a all -- should

destroy their stockpiles and should join -- has nine nuclear weapons. it is interesting for him to go around making those lying, trying to basically sweep under the rug israeli practices that are the major threat to the security of the region. just in order to krael fear. why is he worried about a deal where the international community can monitoring iran's nuclear program, make sure that it's never recognized. you should welcome it. >> he quotes from rouhani's book where, this is the strategy he says rouhani adopted when he was negotiated, and the strategy,

quoting from -- by creating a calm environment, a calm environment by negotiating, we were able to complete the work in isvahan, a place where there's been a major reactor, a critical steppingstone in the program. he says we fool the world one, know he thinks he can fool it again, is what he says. >> i have read rouhani's book, read and that -- when we were both out of office, is that you cannot pursue a peaceful program when the entire community has contents and anxieties about your program. you can in fact, and this is your argument, can in fact ensure a peaceful program only

with the cooperation did -- only through transparency. this is exactly the word that he's trying to portrayed. he's been lying, he continues to lie, he's been in fact investing in creating fear and anxiety in order to purr spew ulterior motives. >> what did you think of president obama's statement with -- >> i believe political leaders have to exercise leadership. i was rather disappointed that president obama used language that was insulting to the iranian people. i believe president obama should in fact stick to his declared intention to deal with iran on the basis of mutual respect. that's what he said in his address to the general assembly. you do not immediate with another state with mutual

respect by threatening them, by trying to intimidate them, particularly when you know that that is not useful. that is not of any utility. as i said, the iranian people react very negatively to seven messages. >> do you think this nuclear deal, if it happened, could be a step towards normalization of relations with washington? how anti-americanism is so much a part of the center of regime, the death to american chants that take place every friday, the references to america as the great satan. do you want to come to terms with the country that you call -- fimplts what i want to say is we have a bad history. a bad history of mistrust, a history where we had a good number of activities on the part of the united states.

starting from the overthrow of the elected government, to whatever happened during the iraq war, unfortunately the use of chemical weapons by iraq, and the failure of the united states to respond with the by the -- so there's a lot of cause for concern on the iranian side, and there may be cause for concern on the american side, so we have to move in a serious way to deal with those instances, but the most important and immediate problem that we need to face right now is the nuclear issue. >> jahvid zarif, thank you for joining us. >> thank you fareed. a lot more ahead, including the world's biggest rock star. u2's bono on africa and foreign

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now for a what in the world segment. amid all of washington's discussions on syria and iran, one other issue seems to have gotten ignored. the u.s. signed an act international treaty, one with vast implications for terrorism and war around the world. the problem is, the treaty needs to be ratified by the u.s. senate. that's just not going to happen. let me explain. it is the u.n. arms trade treaty, an agreement that aims to control the $70 billion global trade of weapons. almost every major commodity is subject to some form of international regulation -- gold, oil, currencies, but there have been few controls on the flow of weaponry. countries have wanted to have an unregulated free-for-all in the weapons marked. i'm not talking just about guns.

the u.n. treaty covers battle tanks, combat aircraft, attract helicopters, war ships. these are all weapons that are playing a part in ongoing wars in syria and large parts of africa, as nigeria's president jonathan put it last week, these are the true weapons of mass destruction, as much as the chemical weapons used in syria, yet everyone seem to have unfettered access to it. the key part of the u.n. treaty is that it asks signatories not to export weapons to groups or states which could use these weapons in crimes against humanity. simple enough -- don't send arms to syria or sudan article north korea. who could object to this? the united states senate. critics of the treaty, most 3r078 ineptly the gun lobby in washington claim that somehow the obama administration will

use this treaty as a back-door method to impose gun control in the united states. so they explained the treat use would violate the second amendment and infringe upon or constitutional right to bear arms, except that this is simply factually wrong. here are the compact words from the treaty as it stands. the treaty affirms, quote, the sovereign right of any state to regulate and control conventional arms inclusively within its territory pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system, end quote. sounds pretty clear to me. the issue is not about gun control. this is about stopping dictators from acquiring tanks, missiles and attack helicopters that can kill tens of thousands in a day. it's about making it harder for terrorism groups to buy extremely dangerous weapons. the other broader is that treaties are not enforceable,

about you they do make it harder for really bad guys to get guns. the arms treaty has already taken seven years to negotiate, clauses have been inserted to allay american fears. now, remember 154 countries voted to sign the treaty in april, only three countries voted know -- syria, iran and north korea. by not ratifying, that is the company we will be keeping. we will be right back. up next, a conversation with one of the world's greatest activists and singers -- bono. but with unitedhealthcare, i get information on quality rated doctors, treatment options and estimates for how much i'll pay. that helps me, and my guys, make better decisions. i don't like guesses with my business, and definitely not with our health. innovations that work for you. that's health in numbers.

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u.s. officials want him to face trial in this countries. the group behind the terrorists attack two weeks ago. they came under fire and had to withdraw before they could confirm whether they killed their target. meanwhile, the kenyan government has identified four terrorists one of them is an american somali. tefrl people are dead after a monster truck plowed into a crowd into an event in mexico. investigation into the incident is under way. those are your top stories, "reliable sources" is at the top of the hour. now back to "fareed zakaria gps." booen bono does not need an introduction, but i'm going to give him one anyway. they have had the highest

concert in history, won more grammy awards than any other group, but the one-word named singer is at a passionate advocate, having founded one and also red, which brings the private sector into the fight against aids? africa. it was through these efforts that bono, lindsey graham and connedi rice recently found themselves in a bar together in liberia. that may sound lie the beginning of a joke, but it is not. what is the story? welcome to the show. you know, i was host iing in liberia, trying to show american taxpayers how well it's been

spent or not. perhaps the surrealest moment was indeed in a very low-lit bar in monrovia. it's a country still in rubble after civil war, and seeing these very senior senators in thor, not age, sort of, you know, moving and grooving to a girl called sweets in this low light, and hanging out with people you wouldn't normally find them with. but, you know, they were there because they're really passionate about this stuff, and lindsey graham is an amazing advocate. we had really only one idea, our organization one. to work with both sides, to find a radical center.

how do you get to the right? you did it with jess write helms, lindsey graham, what is the argument you use? >> i think already your question i challenge, because it predisposes that people on the right of not prone to be moved by this. i think they are. i think people on the left are also. most people are looking for progress. this is one area that you'll get most of congress to agree on. >> but part of the chalening you faced and the success you've had is you've had made foreign aid sexy. >> sexy? thank you. i had a dinner a few months ago

with six four-star generals. they said to understand -- and they see men and women being put in harm's way, and they see development as a much more secure way, or -- sorry -- much more economic way of making things secure on the ground, like stopping fires before they start. so we've got a lot of support there. and then, you know, there's this thing -- americans are patriotic. they actually believe that the idea of america should be contagious. when you go -- they actually know their country is not just a country, that it is an idea. the waste of corruption. and you would argue and tell the american people and the world that the money spent over the last ten years has actually

been very effective? >> it's remarkable. debt cancellation, where the -- in jubilee 2000, drop the debt campaign, 51 million -- an extra 51 million children in school on the continent of africa, largely because of great african leadership that spend those resources that were freed up very well on those people. the conditionalities that were key to getting your debts canceled allowed finance minister to tackle corruption. it was fantastic. the united states is so out in front. you deal with all the these quagmires, but the united states has their taxpayers pay for -- 10 million people owe their lives to the u.s., left and right, george bush started, president obama is finishing it

greatest health crisis is on the run because of the american leadership. that's important. >> i think the way you phrase that is important, because we do think about how do we stop people from dying in syria or in sudan or in the congo. those are real and important struggles, but the flip side of that is, but with really minimal effort, you can actually save lots of people's lives. it's almost a certain fact if you spend a certain amount of effort, you'll say an -- >> less than half of half of 1% of the gdp of the united states achieves all this. little about as good -- it's a great value for money, and such good news. we failed in telling the american people of what they have achieved around the world. that's why i'm here. coming up next, more of my

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how? well, it begins with getting the world's most powerful people to sit up and listen. more of my conversation with bono. when you are meeting with somebody like the japanese prime minister, what is that meeting like? does he treat you like a rock star? an antipoverty? does he ask you like music? >> they look at me often like an obscure potted plant, but after a while, that is quickly forgotten, usually as i don't

leave the office, and then relationships, i've met before, we have a relationship going back. i do remember meeting with another japanese head of state. you could feel his staff kind of nodding off during the meeting. he was being polite. so i just said the world "china" because, of course, one of the great faux pass of this century would be if the united states or japan or europe were to cede influence on the continent of african to china. you know, and i'm excited to meet them and they're doing some incredible work in africa, but

we need to talk with them about some of what they're doing, because we think, particularly in the mining area and resources, that we all, chinese, european, and u.s. companies -- need to now going forward adopt a higher standard in the way we treat developing economies. >> one of your big new causes has been anticorruption, and specifically you've targeted companies like exxon, chevron, american petroleum institute that's funded by them. explain why? what is going on there? what do you want to stop? >> exxon and chevron do some very good work on malaria and hiv/aids, but they are part of the api. the api has sued the s.e.c. to

fight legislation to publish what they paid for those rights in the developing world. because corruption is -- corruption is complex. it's not simple. it's no longer just brown paper bags. if you don't publish what you pay to a state for their rights, then the people who control that state can issue a different number. so you pay $4 billion for the mining rights, and you report 3.8, that's $200 million for the swit account. that's what corruption looks like. we always talk about corruption south of the equator, but this is north of the equator. this is our complicity. oil business is -- that's just the way we get things done. no more. there's a transparency revolution happening, and it's a great thing, because all over

the continent of africa, developing world, there's young smart leaders, tech-savvy, even phones are checking in and holding their governments to account. >> you've dealt with so many different leaders around the world. who has impressed you? >> the great man nelson mandela is at home now. he was -- he was a towering figure for me in so many ways. i've been working for him since i was 18. we did our first antiapartheid concert. desmond tutu. he's my other boss, i so admire him, but even president clinton, who i imitated, to my chagrin -- i was trying to cover for him. >> what happened? >> he was off doing some stuff, and sheryl sam burg, from

facebook says you had to do something. so i pretended to be him. >> when i first met bono, he walked into the oval office, and actually i thought it was a member of his own road crew. >> what did you think of his imitation of you? >> well, i'm irish, you know, and we irish can imitate anybody. >> he's a better president than a mimic, but i wanted to say one of the reasons i admire him so, he's virtually a deity in ireland because of the peace process. so not just his work on debt cancellation, on hiv/aids, but as an irish person, you know, i live in a country now that's largely peaceful. i grew up in the '70s. it was horrible. we had a nasty time of it. mostly in the north, but sometimes in the south. and so we owe bill clinton.

i love his big brain and his -- and the big heart that he has. you know, he's staying up late at night worrying about other people's safety, so i'm going to pick him this week. >> do imitate other people? i want no, i do not. i'm working on you. you know, i'm gidget there. >> bono, a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you, always. i love this program. the one and only bono. up next, it seems these days there's an app. for everything. well, if you hope to avoid war zones while traveling in the middle east, yep, there's an app. for that, too. i'll explain. . it's time for advil cold and sinus. [ male announcer ] truth is that won't relieve all your symptoms. new alka seltzer plus-d relieves more sinus symptoms than any other behind the counter liquid gel. oh what a relief it is.

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the federal government shutdown did much more than make your beloved panda cam go black. it kept hundreds of thousands of federal workers at home without pay. that brings me to my question of the week from the gps challenge. which american city's work force has the largest percentage of federal workers? washington, d.c.? b, new york, new york city. c., honolulu, hawaii? or d, colorado springs,

colorado. stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is malcolm gladwell's latest. do i need to say more? it's titled "david and goliath." a series of fascinating stories, including a wonderful retelling of the original david and goliath. he has his critics, and he'll by on the show to argue with them in a few weeks, but there's no writer today who has so much fun with ideas. that's an extraordinary achievement. now for "the last look." in last century wartime warning systems were pretty low tech. but in the 21st century your smartphone might just be your best warning tool. in lebanon, for example, as sectarian violence spills across syria's border, app.s are being

developed for avoiding riots, car bombs, even snipers. the military created l.a.f. shield, that highlights dang zones. user can be to swipe or -- another app. that uses crowd sourcing to pinpoint location of protests was downloaded 100,000 times in just one year. the goal of way to safety, an app. under development, is to be able to locate a gunman just using the smartphones in people's pockets. it had identify the type of weapon being used and triangulate the exact location of the shooter, as long as several users are in the area. now we just need an app. to get the world's warring factions to stop fighting and make peace. the correct answer to our gps challenge question was, d, colorado springs, colorado.

the federal government has more than 2 million employees in total. almost 450,000 of them work in the washington, d.c. areas, but as a percentage of the workforce, colorado springs leads the nation. the city is home to three military installations. there are 55,000 federal workers who comprise 18.8% of the workforce. thanks for being part of my program this weeks. i will see you next week. good morning, we want to update you on a pair of military raids carried out in africa, one in somalia, the other in libya. barbara starr has details. i want what can you tell us about that? what we know is of course president obama was monitoring both operations very carefully