sign of respect and honor for those names. but if you look at a lot of what native americans are offended by the logos of the braves, the logos of the indians. that's a different issue. >> we'll have more in "the situation room" later. that's it for me. 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room," i'll see you then. "newsroom" continues right now with john berman. hello there, i'm john berman in for brooke baldwin today. a huge hour of news ahead. let's begin with the president, who just called the showdown a manufactured crisis by congress. but now, in addition to government work places emptying, gathering dust, our federal government ten days from today will essentially run out of cash and lose permission to borrow more money to pay bills that it owes. this is the president, who spoke just a short time ago. >> i heard a lot of talk over the weekend that the real problem is that the president will not negotiate.

well, let me tell you something, i have said from the start of the year that i'm happy to talk to republicans about anything related to the budget. there's not a subject that i am not willing to engage in, work on, negotiate. and come up with common sense compromises on. what i have said is that i cannot do that under the threat that if republicans don't get 100% of their way, they're going to either shut down the government or they're going to default on america's debt so america for the first time in history does not pay its bills. >> so that was the pretsident speaking. by the way, we will hear in omoment from warren buffett warning we're risking some kind of catastrophe, but democrats and republicans are both saying they're willing to talk, sort of, just not on the other side's terms. let's go to dana bash on capitol hill. we're in the middle of this

crisis right now, the government shutdown crisis. now we're staring at another one that could be worse, the potential default. but today, there seems to be a linguistic dance about what a negotiation is and what would be negotiated. you get a sense there's some movement today, maybe. can you explain in. >> everybody needs an out. each side needs an out for the u.s., let's talk about the think that would be most catastrophic to the economy, the debt limit. if we reach that, we reach that next thursday. everybody needs a way to save face. for the president, he has said i'm not going to negotiate at all on anything. and we're going to have a clean debt ceiling, meaning we're not going to attach anything. we're not going to give in on anything, whether it's entitlements or anything else. on the other side, you have john boehner who has said consistently the same thing. i'm not going to even entertain putting a clean no-strings-attached bill to increase the debt ceiling on the

house floor unless the president talks to me. so there has to be obviously some kind of gif here. somebody's got to give in. and perhaps the way that this is going to happen is, as john boehner said, a conversation that he could have. perhaps it's as the president suggested, a conversation he could have. the question, of course, comes down to the nitty-gritty and whether that conversation will produce anything that allows the speaker to save face. maybe he could get the president to agree to maybe down the road do something on entitlements, if that would be enough for his conservatives, who knows and same goes for the president. they have basically both put themselves in entrenched corners and in order to get themselves out and get the united states out and maybe the economy out, they have to figure out a few set of linguistics, semantics, way to cut a deal. >> maybe they can have a conversation without having a negotiation. and that could be the way out. we'll see if the door will open just a little today.

dana bash on the hill for us, thanks so much. so as far as the debt limit is concerned, the prospect of the government running out of money and not being able to borrow, there are some in congress, some republicans who are saying it's no big deal to them. it's not as bad as the affordable care act or obama ca care. but now a well known titan of wall street warns this political game of chicken is getting way out of hand. >> it ought to be banned as a weapon. it should be like -- it should be like nuclear bombs, basically. too horrible to yooz. >> so warren buffett just likened this debt to nuclear devastation, but congressman tedio hoe says by refusing to raise the so-called debt limit, congress would have the reverse effect of bringing stability to world markets. of course, the markets have done well this year, if the economy slowly recovers. right now, the dow jones industrial average is down 66 points. it's a trend we've seen over the

last few weeks. there are these fears over the default by the u.s. gump. we're lucky to have rick newman with us. a great columnist for yahoo. >> what is the debt limit? >> if the u.s. government cannot pay interest on the debt, those are treasury bonds. if it says, we give with the full faith and credit of the bonds when you bought them, we can't make your interest payments, maybe we can't make your principal payments, that would be default, and that's the nuclear holocaust scenario warren buffett is talking about. >> these are the bills we owe and we will not have the money to pay these after october 17th. is warren buffett right? >> he's right, and here's why he's right. treasure securities are the underpinning of the entire world's financial system. they're trillions and trillions of dollars of these things out there, pension funds hold them. these are widow and orphan types investments. if suddenly the u.s. government

is not making payments on the bonds, even for a short period of time, everything changes about the world's financial market. it will trigger things that have to go into place. it would be more than we can all imagine or lay out in a half hour, i'm sure, but it's just a nightmare scenario that nobody wants to happen. >> the scariest part of this nightmare to a lot of people is frankly, we don't know how it plays out if they don't raise the debt ceiling. >> what we know is it's going to worse than anybody can imagine. nobody wants to see this play out. >> contractors get paid? anybody get paid? >> it's different than paying your bills. this is what you owe to debt holders which is -- has a higher priority than bills. if you can't even make those payments, that's basically saying everything about the government has broken. >> all right, rick, sit tight because speaker john boehner, the republican, is speaking on the house floor right now. let's see if he responds to the president. >> a senior white house staffer this morning said that the president would rather default on our debt than to sit down and

negotiate. now, the american people expect when their leaders have differences, and we're in a time of crisis that we'll sit down and at least have a conversation. really, mr. president? it's time to have that conversation before our economy is put further at risk. i yield back. >> the time has expired. >> that was speaker john boehner. by the way, not always common to hear the speaker of the house speaking from down there. obviously, he deems it important enough to do it. it was interesting, he called on the president to have a conversation. the president has said he won't negotiate with the debt limit hanging over his head, but he's willing to talk. it is possible they found common ground. they can talk about negotiating? >> it sounds like they're having a discussion about possibly having a discussion. people back home are saying what is it with parsing these words? why don't they just fix the problem? at the end of the day, they have

to fix the problem. the good news about the debt ceiling being such a big deal is we can't default on u.s. debt. everybody knows that. the question is, how do we get to the point where as dana said, everybody saves some face and we get a deal that prevents the worst thing from happening and let's get back to running the economy in a normal way. >> the speaker has said again and again privately that he will not let the u.s. default, but that might mean that he has to pass something with more democratic votes. >> right. so that seems to be the sort of thing he's holding in his pocket where he can get a bill passed, it just won't involve republican unity, and perhaps democratic unity. >> rick newman, thank you show much for being here with us. hopefully we're not talking about this in 11 days because that means we're in a world of trouble. >> talking about world of trouble, brace for possible tornadoes. that warning for big parts of the east coast right now, including right where i am sitting in new york city, also baltimore, washington, d.c., and philadelphia. the national worth service issuing the tornado watch, which goes until about 5:00 p.m.

eastern time. coming up, chad myers joins us to talk about the possible threat. speaking, i should say, of bad weather, check out what is happening here in new york right now. this is a construction crane. it's a live look. it is dangling over midtown manhattan. these are live pictures, as we said. we're told this is due to some kind of mechanical failure. police have closed off the streets below. now, this building looks familiar to you, this is the same construction site where a crane snapped last year during superstorm sandy. caused by the enormous winds there. this building is supposed to be the city's tallest residential building when it's all said and done. we're keeping an eye on what's going on there right now. the wind is expected to pick up over the coming few hours. we'll give you updates as they happen. all right, two secret u.s. raids on international soil. in somalia and in libya, two high value targets with two very

different outcomes. the first in somalia, in a town just outside of the mogadishu, navy s.e.a.l.s swam ashore. their aim was to capture a man called ikrima, a key player in the al qaeda linked al shabaab movement. this is the group behind a terrorist attack oin a shopping mall in kenya last month. the team in charge of this raid, seal team 6. that's the same unit that killed al qaeda leader osama bin laden in his pakistani hideout in 2011. this time, it does not appear that it went quite as well. a firefight so intense they decided to withdraw without ever knowing if they actually got their man. the other raid, though, 3,000 miles away in tripoli, in libya. that one, a success. al libi, an al qaeda operative wanted for the 1998 bombings of two u.s. embassies in africa. he has been captured by delta

force operatives. his wife speaking exclusively to cnn about what she saw. >> translator: we expected them do do anything, but they took us by surprise. this thing came all of a sudden. there was no longer any talk about him in the media. so i felt somewhat reassured. he even stopped taking his weapon or his sons with him or hiring private security. he was living his life normally. everything happened rapidly. they grabbed him and shoved him in the car. i saw them doing this and saying get in. but i wasn't sure it was my husband. the cars then sped off. >> al libi is held right now on a u.s. navy ship believed to be in the mediterranean. an interrogation is under way. joining me now to discuss this, james reese. a former delta force officer. libi's wife describes a snatch and grab. you said these guys are like ghosts. they sneak in and get out. what is the advantage to doing this type of capture operation? >> john, good afternoon.

the advantage for doing these type of capture -- first and foremost, is we want to capture these terrorists. we want to capture these bad guys because if we just kill them, we put a predator drone on it, and we kill them, there's no follow-on information for intelligence. so the best thing we always want to do is capture before we kill. >> the risk, i suppose the risk is what happened in somalia where they go in and don't get the man for sure. >> it is. it is much higher risk. but both of these organizations from the socom command element, these are the guys who conduct jason bourn tuype of operations around the world. the one in somalia, that ground force commander probably had lots of guidance given to him that said if he was decisively engaged, he needed to break contact. in tripoli, the goes smoothly and they got their man. >> they got their man. he's in a ship right now in the

mediterranean. what do you think is happening right now? what are they trying to get from this guy before he gets his lawyers because we don't believe he's been read his rights yet. >> this is a complete interagency operation right now, probably led by the cia, you have the fbi, the department of defense interrogators there, too. what's really going on here, an interview. we're trying to find out what type of current information al libi has. is any of it actionable? if it's actionable, that just means what can we turn arth follow-on operation around the world with these two type of forces again, and then we'll continue to work until he gets back to new york and is brought to justice for his crimes in the past. >> you used the word interview. that might make it sound like it's a pleasant discussion, but what type of interrogation techniques do you think are being used right now? >> again, i can't speak. i can only guess what's going on. but we've also learned through the years is these folks are very well trained in type -- if

they get seized, how to work through interrogation. one of the things we learned over the years now after 11 years of doing this is sometimes it is a conversation. you know, as you heard from his wife, said he felt comfortable in his surroundings in libya. now, all of a sudden, you wake up and the americans are standing in front of you on a ship in the middle of the mediterranean maybe somewhere, the whole game changes. now this guy might be saying, hey, it might be better for me to talk because i have been grabbed by the americans and there's no way out. >> he is living a much different life today than he was just one week ago, no question about that. thank you for being with us. >> next hour, we'll take a look again at the anatomy of a terrorist raid. we'll speak to a navy s.e.a.l. about the other raid in somalia that apparently failed to capture the suspect there. meanwhile, coming up next here, a group of soldiers walking on the street and suddenly one of them is stabbed to death. reports first pointed to a possible hate crime, but now a

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>> well, john, it turns out there may have been wounds that actually left on one of the suspects that led to this whole thing coming together and finding out that the five men in the star were active duty soldier as well, but reportedly, one soldier said he heard from one soldier who said he needed to be treated on his hands, first aid. he said he hurt his hand. his story changed multiple times. sergeant took him to the hospital where his story changed again. that led investigators to follow up on the story. that particular soldier, they allege, is jeremiah hill. 23 years old. he has now been arrested, along with this case, along with two other soldiers as well. all because of the fact that he had these wounds to his hand, john. >> now, this story has gotten a great deal of attention over the last 24 hours. police initially said they thought that race might be a factor in the stabbing. why has that now been ruled out? >> well, the thing that you have to know about this story here is that the three men that were walking that were along with mr. gikee, the three were white.

the five men in the car were black. that part there, they thought there might have been something yelled out the car about them being white, some sort of slang or term that was used, but police say after interviewing everyone there and involved in the case, they believe that race did not play any issue with this case at all and they believe it was something else, motivated here, but remember, jeremiah hill has refused to be interviewed and has not come forward with what his rheening has been. >> have they given any sense of what else might have been in play, any indication that the eight men, three on the street, five in the car, were they in the same unit? >> no, they were all based -- i will tell you this, they were all based on the same property in washington, the joint base lewis-mcchord there, but they were in different units. they were in the iffantry unit, gikee was just days away from finishing up his service in the army. almost done, should have been on his way to living his life as a

civilian, so a tragic story and nobody knows what the motive could have been around 2:00 on saturday morning when this happened on the street. >> a lot more answers there, clearly. thanks for reporting on it. up next, the monster truck drives right into a crowd. we'll have the details on what happened and why the driver is now under investigation. plus, this. it's like a scene straight out of home alone. no ticket, no permission. a little boy boards an airplane and travels all alone, apparently wanted to go to vegas. a flight safety experts joins me and says he knows who's to blame here. stay with us. of course i had no idea what it was. i felt like my feet were going to sleep. it progressed from there to burning like i was walking on hot coals... to like 1,000 bees that were just stinging my feet.

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welcome back, everyone. witnesses at the grand prix of houston said the crash happened so fast, there wasn't even time to run. dario franchitti's car was bumped in the final lap of this race, sending it airborne into the protective fencing.

look at that, debris flying towards the grand slm. the three-time indy 500 winner suffered a concussion and spine and ankle fractures. that's amazing that's all he suffered. 13 spectators were also hurt. witness daniel craig described this terrifying scene. >> the car went into the air, and it started coming to the fence. this all happened in less than a second. there was no time to move. there was no time to run away. the thought in my mind was that these were going to be the last moments that i was going to be experiencing on earth. it was truly shocking. the car struck the fence and literally people say they heard a bomb. it sounded like there was a bomb that went off. and the car turned into debris. it was once an entire car. then nothing but particles rained upon us. >> actress ashley judd, who separated with franchitti after more than 11 years of marriage, tweeted she was on her way to houston and thanked fans for

their prayers. in a statement just in to cnn, franchitti said thank you to everyone for all the well wishes. they mean a lot to me. i would also like to send my best to all the fans involved in the accident and hope that everyone is all right. awfully nice of this man who underwent that awful crash, giving his best wishes to the crowd and the people who also suffered. another scary scene to tell you about minmexico as a monster truck this time plows through a crowd of spectators. this time, eight people were killed. dozens and dozens injured. sara joins us to talk about this. any detail s about how this happened? >> you have to take a look at this video. you see the red monster truck doing its stunt, driving over a pile of cars. but then it doesn't stop. it drives right into the crowd. officials there in chihuahua, mexico, say eight people were killed, including four children. dozens of other were injured. 28 people are still in the

hospital. 12 of those people in critical condition. now, the city's mayor tells the state-run media that he's ordering an investigation. the governor told reporters that the driver may have been drinking before getting behind the wheel of that truck. take a listen to what he said. >> translator: whoever is responsible will be prosecuted. there are some elements that indicate the possibility the driver had consumed an alcoholic beverage. >> cnn hasn't been able to reach the driver's attorney, but the state prosecutor said the driver himself is saying that he passed out before he hit his head. passed out and hit his head on the wheel of the car during that stunt. now, mexico's president tweeted, to the families of the victims of this tragedy, my deepest condolences. to the injured, my wishes for a quick recovery. tragic all around. the show, which has also had

things like aerobics, skydiving, air balloons, motorcycles and fireworks, the whole thing has been suspended while authorities investigate. >> the video, just so horrible to look at. it goesover and slowly keeps wheeling into the crowd. it raises questions about spectator safety. thanks for the report. coming up for us next here. >> explorer has been hit. do you read? explorer, over. >> so just how realistic is the biggest film in america? some science experts are blasting "gravity." you'll hear from a former astronaut and a couple experts who have differing opinions. plus, one of the biggest questions of the day. how did a 9-year-old boy sneak onto an airplane headed for las vegas? i'm going to speak live with one flight safety expert who says he knows what the problem was and who's to blame for this. you dont want to miss this. stay with us. ♪

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welcome back, everyone. it is the biggest movie in the country. but, hey, it's america. critics always attack the big hits. in today's episode, "gravity." >> explorer has been hit. do you read? explorer, over. explorer. astronaut is off structure. off structure. >> what do i do? >> that arm is going to carry you too far. listen to my voice. you need to focus. i won't be able to drag you. you need to detach. do it now. >> all right, i'm dizzy. don't worry, there will not be spoilers here. the george clooney/sandra bullock film became the biggest opening in october ever, earning more than $50 million, but some are questioning its realism, including former astronaut

marsha ivans who wroed this, she questioned many things from the space capsule to the training of bullock's character. she sums it up by saying, quote, for me, it's just too hard to watch. the scene in which debris is falling through the atmosphere u breaking up into streaking balls of white, finality brought back, slamming back, to say, to mind the real life image burned there forever of the last moments of the "columbia" shuttle. she said i had to look away. i wanted to ask, who is going to like this movie? i have to say, a lot of people did like this movie. nischelle turner talked to a coupleeshperts who fact checked the film for us. >> a thriller, nerve-shredding phenomenon. that's critics describing "gravity." >> what do i do? >> when it comes to space movies, it's no secret hollywood can be light on facts and heavy on fiction. >> when i was in grad school, we wasn't to see "the core" and there were 20 or so

geophysicists in the audience and we were laughing at different times than the audience. >> as for the science behind this movie, this doctor says things are looking up. >> from a scientific standpoint, i thought the moviemakers did a very good job. it was based on a shuttle services mission that has happened. they paid attention to the fact that sound doesn't propagate in space. they also tried hard to portray the conservation of momentum. when sandra and george collide with each other, and they will sort of bounce off each other. i would give it an a. >> sandra bullock and george clooney co-star in the 90-minute 3-d epic directed by alfonzo cuaron. >> the most important thing was to get right the science on screen. >> because the minute you see a crack or you see something that doesn't feel right, you as an audience are going gee, not there, you lost me. >> the film's 80 million budget included scientists, new lighting technology, and a gravity simulator.

>> a lot of that for me was to see how a camera would react there. >> do you copy? >> to portray an astronaut stranded 400 miles above earth, bullock trained can katie komen. >> the thing i needed to know from her was physically what her body was doing, what it did iin space. >> margo, who saw the film in l.a., notes there are a few moments of movie magic. >> in particular one scene where you see the space shuttle spinning wildly out of control because it's hit by a piece of debris. we did that calculation. it would have to be about 1,000 kilograms, about a ton of material. >> space trash that big would have been tracked by nasa. >> every piece larger than about the size of my fist is being tracked. >> as for the film's suggestion the heroine almost had six months of training -- >> that would be implausible, but it makes it more enjoyable. >> and for the most part, realistic. nischelle turner, cnn, hollywood. >> everybody is talking about this movie, but it's not the

only movie drama out there. tonight on ca 360, new drama for the movie "captain phillips." there's a lawsuit accusing captain phillips of risking crews' lives before they were hijacked by pirates in somalia. ats at 8:00 tonight. don't miss it. new york authorities arrest and charge two more people in a biker mob attack. the attorney for one of the suspects admits his clients bashed the suv window but nothing more. he says the biker overreacted. investigators say reggie chance is the man caught on video using his helmet to splash the range rover, but chance maintains he never touched the driver. prosecutor said say the second man charged, robert sims, stomped on him and tried to open the suv's doors, but news that an undercover nypd officer was traveling with the bikers and saw the entire scene unfold is now raising eyebrows. if he was there, why didn't he

do anything about it? so joining us now to talk about this is former d.c. police detective and hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks. what do you think took the undercover officer so long to come forward here? >> you know, john, that was my first kwgz when i heard about this because apparently there were actually two off-duty nypd cops there. now, one of them did not see what was going on. he was too far back. but apparently, this undercover detective did, but he didn't tell his officials, john, until wednesday night. so you know, now he's retained an attorney. what does that say to me? did he think that maybe he should have, even though he was in an undercover capacity, and off duty, did he feel he should have taken some kind of action? because john, even if he's undercover, i don't know what kind of case he was working on, but apparently, he was off duty, so -- but he would still be able to go up and intervene as a regular citizen and say, hey, knock that off. you shouldn't be doing this. but he didn't.

did he fail to take police action after witnessing this? that's the big question. >> what are the different rules for different types of officers? you have uniformed officers, ununiformed, off duty officers, and then you have ununiformed undercover officers. the fact that he was under cover, perhaps on some kind of investigation, by the way, we don't know what the investigation was about. how might that have impacted his decision whether or not to intervene at that moment? >> well, that's the question. you know, was his assignment having to do anything with these bikers? was he maybe under cover narcotic, but he apparently was undercover detective who was off-duty at the time. so even though he did witness this, john, he still could have come up, even without identifying himself as a police officer. come up, just as a citizen, say hey, guys, knock this off. that's enough, that's enough. so i think that's what official said are now going to look into. what kind of action, how close was he? what exactly did he see, what exactly did he hear? and if so, why did he not take

any action? just as a normal citizen. >> as a normal citizen. you are responsible, again, just the difference between undercover and ununiformed. what is the difference there? >> basically, ununiformed is you would be just a detective or uniformed officer who was off-duty and there participating in a ride, just as john q. citizen, but still, as a sworn nypd officer or police officer anywhere, you still have a responsibility to take action should you see some criminality going on in front of you. now, even though he's undercover, you know, was there a possibility that if he had taken some action, it would have blown his cover? would it have drawn taeng to him? hurt his case he was working on? again, we don't know what kies he's working on, but still, he could have come up as whatever name he was going by, used that, and said enough is enough, stop. >> mike brooks, thank you for that, helping clarify the

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welcome back. a 9-year-old run away goes on a wild ride. he boarded a flight all by himself without a tick. authorities say he cleared at least three security checkpoints. this all happened last week at minneapolis st. paul international airport. the boy managed to blend in with other passengers, then find a seat on delta flight 1651. it wasn't until midflight, midflight, that crew members realized that he was a stow-away. the incident has put delta and tsa security very much in the spotlight. terry tripler with the planerules.com. he puts the blame squarely on the airline. terry, what does it mean that this child was able to board a flight undetected? >> well, john, i think what we have here is a situation where someone just wasn't doing their job and wasn't paying attention.

i don't blame the tsa because i can understand where people come up with boarding passes and ids, and a child under 18 doesn't need an id, so if he's blending in with a family, i can understand how that tsa rep sitting there has missed it. i see that all the time. now, not see it and miss it, but i watch tsa people checking people in all the time at the minneapolis airport. however, when you get down to the gate, and you've got gate agents after all delta, this person is boarding your flight. and this is where you have to be extremely careful. and to get this kid, having this kid just walk on the plane with no boarding pass, no seat assignment, and sit down, this is where i think the mistake really happened. delta, of course, and naturally so, are saying, well, it was our flight attendants who discovered it. well, it was too late at that person. the person was already on the aircraft and they didn't

discover it, i understand, until midflight. i don't think any changes have to be made. we don't have to get out the orange cones and the orange barrels and tear up the airport. i think we just have to have people paid a little closer attention when they're boarding an aircraft. >> there seem to be two problems. at the gate when they were swiping the tickets because clearly a ticket wasn't swiped, and then counting. there appears to be a counting problem. don't they count all souls on board the flight to make sure it matches the number of tickets swiped? >> they jurally do. you see it happening all the time. what we have is a communication breakdown. occurred at the gate. i know it was 45 years ago that i was a gate agent, but still, numbers are numbers and you need to know how many souls are onboard that plane, so counting and having it break down, i could understand it does happen, but boy, in today's world, in the post-9/11 world, it's really critical that you know exactly

who is and is not on that aircraft. and a 9-year-old boy, i mean, my grandson is 9 years old. that's so hard to imagine. this kid had luck going with him. he should have gone down there and played the tables real quick. you don't know what he would have come back with. >> apparently, he had been at the airport a day or two before, casing the joint, going through luggage, too. something going on there. terry, thank you for joining us. appreciate your insight. americans versus lawmakers. the gloves come off, as people on the left and the right react to the government shutdown. you will hear a whole lot of frustration, next. i put in the hours and built a strong reputation in the industry. i set goals and worked hard to meet them. i've made my success happen. so when it comes to my investments, i'm supposed to just hand it over to a broker and back away? that's not gonna happen.

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can't get their act together and work as a team and put this country back where it needs to be. >> describe what's happening in washington in one word. >> madness. >> vindictive. >> petty. it's very petty for them to do what they're doing. they're not worried about their constituents. they're worried about themselves. >> just one of the many adjectives. pathetic, embarrassing, disgusting. it's safe to say the longer this goes on, the more frustrated people outside the beltway will be with politicians in washington. john? >> all right, ted rowlands, thanks so much. stay with cnn for our special coverage of the government shutdown. tonight, on piers morgan live, senator john mccain. do not miss it. and coming up, i'm going to spike live with a former fbi hostage negotiator who says the situation in washington right now reminds him of a prison siege. see how he says a negotiator would handle this stalemate.

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right now. placing millions of people under a tornado watch. we're talking some of the biggest cities on the east coast. chad myers tracking the storm for us. chad, what's the latest? >> john, an awful lot of airports in the way of this, too. ground stops, jfk, newark. we have seen it all, many areas now, at least two hours delay. a shutdown, lady liberty. it doesn't look bad now, but weather to the west. we'll update you in the next half hour. >> thanks so much for that. all right, top of the hour now, i'm john berman, in for brooke baldwin. just a short time ago, house speaker john boehner fired back at the president for blaming republicans for an impending u.s. default. the speaker says he's willing to talk about raiding the so-called debt limit, but the president, he says, won't speak to him. >> a senior white house staffer this morning said the president would rather default on our debt than sit down and negotiate. now, the american people expect

when their leaders have differences, and we're in a time of crisis, that we'll sit down and at least have a conversation. >> now, about an hour before the speaker spoke, it was the president's turn at the microphone, and he said congress routinely raises the so-called debt limit. the president said he's willing to talk to the speaker about anything at all, kind of sort of, but not in this context, where either he gives in or the government goes into default, which could trigger a catastrophe, and that happens just ten days from now. so a lot going on. the principles both talking within the last hour and a half with us now from washington to discuss this is cnn's chief political analyst, gloeria borger, and jim acosta. the white house has had less than an hour to respond to the speaker, but are they saying anything to his charge that the president would rather have the government go into default than negotiate with republicans.

>> not specifically to what he said on the floor, but house republican aides have said now that john boehner, the speak of the house, when he made those comments, he was not directly quoting gene sperling, a top economic adviser of the president. he was basically, i guess, sort of summing up what gene sperling was saying earlier this morning. so aides are saying now he was not quoting him verbatdm there, i want to point that out, but what the president has said and white house officials said earlier today, and specifically jay carney at the white house press briefing is it's up to the speaker to call the vote. if the vote were called in the house of representatives, democrats believe there would be votes along with the democrats in the minority, a comdozen or so in the republican majority, to pass a spending bill that would get the government back open again, and basically, those same numbers also exist to raise the debt ceiling, but something else we want to point out at this hour is earlier this morning, we were reporting that the white house was showing some openness to a short-term raise

in the nation's debt ceiling to give both sides some breathing room, perhaps to hash things out over the next several months rather than potentially going into default in october 17th. jay carney, i asked him about that during the briefing, and he did not knock it down, so that is a proposal that is in play right now. here's what the press secretary had to say. >> i'm simply saying we have never stated and we're not saying today the debt ceiling ought to be or can be some particular length of time. it is our view that a longer debt ceiling increase, a more substantial debt ceiling increase that then averts a kind of confrontation like this for a longer period of time, is a good thing. >> so to sum up, they would be, i guess, more willing to support or they do support what senate democrats are proposing. that's a one-year increase in the nation's debt ceiling, but they may not get that. and to get out of this jam that

both sides are really in right now, john, they may have to go along with something that's a lot shorter, and that was an indication they're willing to accept that. one other thing i want to point out, i asked what would a debt default look like? he said it would be bad, but he really didn't offer many specifics. that's a sign, john, that we would be on the dark side of the moon if we go into default on october 17th or later than that. they just don't know what would happen. which is kind of scary. >> they all seem to agree on that. glor gloria, jim talked about a little movement from the white house. amid the bluster from speaker boehner and president obama who both had their fair share today, they both said amid the bluster that they would be willing to talk, just not under the terms that the other side wants to talk under. but has there been a change in the shape of the conversation over the last 24 hours. >> yes, you know, i actually think there has. and you know, people like us are covering every little nuance in this. but starting with speaker

boehner over the weekend when he was on abc, we heard him move a little bit beyond the obama care, obama care argument. and into the larger argument about a discussion he would like to have with the president about entitlement programs and entitlement spending. which is generally what raising the debt ceiling becomes. that's what happened in 2011 when they had their debt ceiling argument. and we have heard the president say today he is willing to have that discussion, but only after we get over these particular hurdles. one other thing, i talked to a senior house republican over the weekend who was floating an idea of kind of a six-week temporary stop gap, whatever you want to call it, thing, to get you past the shutting down of the government and the debt ceiling so that they can negotiate about larger things without having these deadlines hanging over their heads.

whether he could get his fellow house republicans to sign on to that is a whole other story, but i think you're right. there's been a shift in the discussion. i believe republicans were not winning on the shutting down the government on obama care argument, and they moved to the argument on which they are on safer turf, which is the question of how do you get federal spending under control? >> the parameters of this discussion did seem to move today with obama care not at the center of it. and maybe this stop gap thing, as you just named it, may be the area where they can talk over the coming days. these inches definitely matter. jim acosta, gloria borger, thanks for laying it out for us. other big news, two secret u.s. raids on international soil in somalia and in libya. two high-value targets. one was a textbook success. the other apparently not so much. first, in tripoli, in libya, a

suspected operative wanted for the 1998 bombings of two u.s. embassies in africa has been captured. his wife speaking exclusively to cnn about what she saw. >> translator: we expected them to do anything. but they took us by surprise. this thing came all of a sudden. there was no longer any talk about him in the media. so he felt somewhat reassured. he even stopped taking his weapon or his sons with him or hiring private security. he was living his life normally. everything happened rapidly. they grabbed him and shoved him in the car. i saw them doing this and saying get in. but i wasn't sure it was my husband. the cars then sped off like a rocket. >> al libi is now being held on a u.s. navy ship, and interrogation is under way. now, to the less successful raid, some 3,000 miles away in somalia. in a town just outside of the capital of momogadishu. navy s.e.a.l.s swam ashore, they

ran skroosz a beach. their aim, to capture a man named ikrima who is a key player in the al qaeda-linked al shabaab mumaovement. this is a man behind the terrorist attack on a kenyan mall. the team who went to capture him, s.e.a.l. team six who killed osama bin laden in 2011. this time around in somalia, it does not appear they were as successful. a firefight so intense they decided to withdraw without ever knowing if they got their man. chad williams is a former navy s.e.a.l. he's the author of "seal of god." chad, they left without confirming they had completed their mission. they did not apprehend this man. they're not sure if they killed this man. what do you think happened, because you say you don't think this was a total failure? >> i think what happened is once they got to the house where they were trying to capture this high-value individual, they want

to go through the doors as quiet as possible. ideally, this is a snatch and grab. you want to get a guy like this alive, but somewhere along the way, they must have ran into somebody. they get into a gun fight, and you know, s.e.a.l.s are very calm, cool, and collected in the mix of these things. i have been in such a situation. and the assault leader is going to make a call, call out maneuvers and they're going to decide whether they want to stay on target or if it would be a better idea to go back to the boats. >> it's clear they wanted the possibility, at least, of getting him alive. if they wouldn't have wanted to try to get him alive, we may have seen a drone attack. they do not know if they killed him in that attack. lay out for us the over the beach assault. you called it an otb. this is what s.e.a.l.s do. they appear magically, almost, from the ocean often, and they conduct these raids. lay out for us how they go down. >> sure. an otb is really the bread and butter of the s.e.a.l. teams. there's a number of ways you can

actually arrive at the beach. you could go from a submarine outside of torpedo chambers with a small inflatable boat or we have these fair fast-moving assault watercrafts called mark-5s that can get up to almost 75 miles per hour. they would drop these guys off kind of far off from the coast and then the guys are probably once they're in the water, they have an after-thought like i wonder if this is shark-infested water and they continue on, make their way to shore, and want to be as quiet as possible, and really the idea is to make no noise until noise is absolutely necessary. so i don't doubt that they made it to that house quietly. they probably tried the doorknob to see if it was unlocked. if they needed to, they would blast the door down. and then once all noise is made, noise is made. the gig is up, and they're going to be going after this guy as swiftly as possible. >> and they made the decision to get out, as you say. schad williams, thanks so much for joining us. you joked about shark infested

waters. you trained in shark infested waters in coronado. that would not be strange for these s.e.a.l.s. thanks so much. three soldiers are under arrest in lakewood, washington, right now. facing murder charges in the stabbing death of a fellow soldier. 20-year-old tevin gieke was walking with friends when an argument began between them and soldiers who were in a car. the car allegedly stopped and then men got out. but once they discovered the man and his friends were also active duty soldiers, they started back for their car. police say that's when one of the suspectser jeremiah hill, appeared to bag bear hug the victim, pushed him to the ground. he had been stabbed and later died at the scene. joining me now to discuss it is lakewood police department's public information officer, chris lawler. how were you finally able to make these arrests? >> we got a tip from somebody on the military installation in our

jurisdiction. we said that the main suspect, jeremiah hill, had gone to another soldier for medical aid for a cut on his hand that he admitted to the other soldier, this happened when i stabbed a guy to death over the weekend. of course, the soldier who was rendering aid didn't believe it until other people pointed out there was a crime in lakewood where someone had been stabbed to death. we were able to talk to his friends and figure out who the five people were in the car and bring them in for interviews. >> any suspects at large? >> the initial reports is there were five males in the car. we identified all five. they all pointed fingers to oech other and corroborated what they told us and each other. we don't feel like there's anyone else outstanding. we'll tie up loose ends with everybody they have spoken to. >> there's been a great deal of attention on this case for the last 24 hours. one of the reasons there is the police force initially thought that race might have been a factor in the stabbing. everyone in the car apparently was black. the three men walking on the

street were white. you now say the police now say race was not a factor. you don't think. has it been ruled out completely? and if so, why? >> well, it hasn't been ruled out completely, but we looked at it. it's part affwhat we're doing in the investigation, where we're looking for motive. like i explained, here we do have five black males in a car and three white males, and there was a comment, nobody could remember what it was, but something these guyed yelled to the victims about being white. once they got out of the car and started to talk, there was no more mention of race. very little discussion, as a matter of fact. once the suspects figured out these guys are active duty soldiers, they said, we're done. they're cool. and for what reason that this jeremiah hill decided to stab tevin gierke to death, we have no idea. he's chosen not to talk, which is his right, but high asked for an attorney. >> no idea about a motive, no working theory right now? >> no, you know, i think what it started out was is guys being

guys and maybe popping off to each other, and the worst that would have happened is maybe a fight, punching and shoving, that's probably what these guys all thought would happen. so i don't know that we'll know why he thought it was necessary. no weapons in play, no other -- in fact, the soldier that was killed and the soldier that did the attack didn't speak to each other at all, according to witnesses. >> a fight much worse than a fight. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. so it is the video that has gone viral. a motorcycle gang surrounding and attacking a man inside an suv. the man seen here beating the window with his helmet is one of the suspects at the center of the investigation. he sent a very strong message in court with a couple of fingers. he didn't open his mouth. the fingers were doing the talking. >> and take a look at this live picture right now. a construction crane's load tangling over manhattan. and get this, there's a tornado

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new york authorities arrest and charge two more people in a biker mob attack. an attorney for one suspect admits his client bashed the suv window, but he simply overreacted to the situation and never beat him. reggie chance is the man caught on video using his helmet to smash the black range rover. during his arraignment, he turned to news cameras and put up the middle finger s elevated at reporters. he's held now on $75,000 bond. he hadprieveiate run-ins with the law as well. cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and danny are here. what are the chances his prior record will play in? >> it's going to certainly play in when the prosecutors are looking at this case, and they're looking at whether or not this is a guy who get a plea deal. they're looking at sort of motive. they're looking at a lot of things because this investigation is still ongoing and it has so many moving parts.

i for one think while he may not have dragged the suv driver out of the car, he certainly was one of those who precipitated the attack. he's one of those that got these bikers access into the car. i think his role in really, really important in terms of the criminal activity that took place. >> you say investigators are looking at a lot of things. one of the things everyone on earth is looking at right now is this video. this vid yeo of him apparently smashing in the window of the suv. as a defense attorney, what do you do with a video like this. >> this is interesting. i don't agree with the vigilanteism of this, but from a defense perspective, if the argument is have he did is drive up and follow the car and ultimately bash in the window and didn't injure anybody, other than the conspiracy charges, i don't know that will work as a defense for him, but it is interesting if he only followed and if he only bashed in the

window and nothing else, unless they charge him with conspiracy, really, that's the only thing he did. citizens are permitted to give chase to a fleeing felon if they believe it's a fleeing felon. and maybe there's something to the argument they were just following him to prevent him from escaping. believe me, do the police have a right to damage your car when they follow you? absolutely. they can spike your tires, they can do a lot of things. but ultimately, overall, this is probably a conspiracy charge. >> conspiracy, why? >> they all acted together. >> look, a biker gang. i mean, there's a good argument there for a conspiracy. even if his argument is i only bashed in the window, was he part of an overall act that would result in the beating of this man? >> i think danny is right on in that. if i were the prosecutor in the case, i would look at that. just because you were a piece of what was going on doesn't mean that you're not responsible for everything that went on. but for this particular person smashing the window, perhaps he

would not have been dragged out. perhaps the others wouldn't have gained access. perhaps it wouldn't have gotten as aggressive. so i think to say, hoeoh, all h did was use his helmet in an aggressive fashion and bang a window in, it doesn't stop there. >> let me ask quickly about the undercover cop, the idea there was an undercover tcop who apparently did nothing to step in and stop this. >> i'm troubled by this. when ci was a proskurpt, i workd with undercover agents and officers. there is a way to intervene where you have a good samaritan step in and place themselves between and say okay, let's calm down. let's calm down. why couldn't an undercover officer do that without blowing his or her cover? i'm troubled to learn there were police officers on -- not on duty, but on the scene, and they did nothing. we should expect more from law enforcement. >> now, at least one has lawyered up. thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it. potentially dangerous

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high anxiety in new york city right now over a crane dangling above a street. these are live pictures of that crane. the load swinging out over the street and high winds blowing into the area, even as we speak, and the winds could get stronger. the street below has been shut down. emergency crews are on the scene. at the same time, millions of people on the east coast are all under a tornado watch. chad myers tracking the storm for us. hey, chad. >> you know -- good afternoon, it has been a day where storms start to spin, try to tornado,

and then kind of blow away and make a wind gust at 30 or 40, but that crane doesn't need a wind gust to 30, 40, or 50 miles per hour. this is what it looks like in new york city. looking off to the west. here's the hudson river. this is hoboken and points west. it's raining all the way through the western part of new jersey through paterson, wayne, into hoboken and farther to the north, the rain is heavier. thunderstorms are also heavier. a little bit of rotation south of albany on that severe thunderstorm warning that is near hudson, new york, not a tornado on it right now, not a warning on it now, but it could spin enough to put down that warning, literally, at any time. there it is right there. there's albany. i don't like that kink right there there. that's where it would be. that's where the circulation would be. that's where the potential tornadowise pop up if it does. there's the weather, right onshore for new york, coming right through the city. the winds will be 30, 40 miles per hour in manhattan in the next 10 to 15 minutes.

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boehner, the man very much at the center of the stalemate a short time ago jumping on a comment kind of sort of allegedly made by a white house official. >> a senior white house staffer this morning said the president would rather default on our debt than to sit down and negotiate. now, the american people expect when their leaders have differences and we're in a time of crisis that we'll sit down and at least have a conversation. >> now, he was very loosely paraphrasing a comment made by a white house official earlier. nevertheless, what is clear from voters across the country is that you are fed up. still, even the president is jumping in on the analogy -- sorry, you are fed up. some people have compared this to a hostage situation. even the president has jumped in on that analogy. >> the american people don't get to demand ransom in exchange for doing their job. neither does congress. they don't get to hold our

democracy or our economy hostage over a settled law. >> someone who would know all about hostage situations is chris voss, a former fbi lead international kidnapping negotiator. you have called this similar to a prison siege. explain that to us. how is this standoff like a prison siege? >> good afternoon, john. thank you. i have made that analogy. and it's usually appropriate when one side seems to be a little bit in disarray and they're having trouble getting themselves together and they're confined in an area, if you will, and you make the decision among the various people who are among the leadership as to which one you want to try to empower, which one you want to start the dialogue with. this was standard operating procedure in any given prison siege. there was chaos inside the walls and as the chaos settled down, we would pick out which of the

leaders on the other side we would want to start a dialogue with, empower them slightly, and try to get conversation going. >> if you're the president then in this case, how do you empower and who do you empower on the other side? >> well, they've got to -- your side has to be willing to talk. and then you pick someone on the other side whose position is closest to the position that you would like them to start their bargaining from. and you give them some sort of a small concession. you empower them by letting them accomplish something for their side. the other side, if they're in disarray on the other side, they're looking for leaders who can deliver. so you give one of their leaders the opportunity to deliver, and then it begins to rally the other side behind the leader and you continue the discussion. >> so, allow them to declare victory at least partial victory in this case. when you hear the president say i'm not going to negotiate under

these circumstances, when you hear speaker boehner say i won't talk about this unless obama care is involved or that's what he was saying earlier, at least, does that create the situation where these discussions can take place? >> well, one side is talking about negotiating. the other side is talking about having a conversation. so the side that's talking about having a conversation makes themselves sound far less threatening, and they begin to get a little bit of an advantage in framing the discussion. because it doesn't look good if you're afraid to have a conversation. so you want to reframe the discussion and put it in terms to your advantage and possibly aim for a higher goal. they both can agree on, which again gives you the opportunity to frame the discussion. so there's a lot of attempts to see who can do the best job of framing the discussion here. but no side is -- appears to me to be doing that much to

tactically empower who they want on the other side to move forward. >> you have to be willing to make the other guy look at least a little bit good. it sounds like you're saying. and so far, that is not happening. chris voss, thank you so much for joining us. in about ten minutes, another unique viewpoint. jesse ventura was in the navy, was a professional wrestler, and of course, the governor of minnesota. now he's started a petition to end the shutdown, and he has strong words for the people in washington. he'll join us live to explain what he thinks should be done. >> first, growing concern about safety for nfl players. now, shocking allegations that the league covered up just how dangerous this game can be. did the nfl hide important information that perhaps could have protected players? that's next.

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the federal government shutdown nearly a week old, and a potential default of the treasury now looms in just ten days. so let's talk to jesse ventura, former professional wrestler, former governor of the state of minnesota. he's also been talking about running for president himself. now, of course, governor, when you ran for governor, you talked about politics as usual and changing politics as usual. now you're talking about abolishing parties, you have ideas about the future. before we get to the future, i want to talk about the now. obviously in washington, they need help getting out of this crisis. what would you advise them to do immediately, today, tomorrow, to solve this? >> what would i advise? >> yes. >> pass the bills. >> pass the bills? >> pass the bills and put the government back working and get us to cover our dent so that we're not in major trouble on all this stuff. clearly it shows these parties

care more about themselves and their contributors than they do the american people. >> you say these parties, though. but there are -- >> they use the term party. in actuality, they're gangs. >> they said if they passed a vote, it would pass now, do you think they're right? >> i don't know because i don't sit in congress and i don't know how many votes are out there. >> you think there should be a vote right now? >> absolutely. >> and on the debt ceiling? >> absolutely. they should be doing their jobs. >> do you care about the obama care angle? do you think it's right and proper to be included? >> i think bills should stand on their own. no amendments to them, no caveats, let each bill stand on its own. vote them up or down, but these are all ploys by the two gangs to run our government in a horrible fashion. >> you call them gangs. is any one gang in your view at this moment more at fault for the situation we're in. >> i lump them both together because it doesn't really matter

who you elect. they've created a system based upon bribery, the concept of bribery. if you do that in the private sector, you go to jail for bribery. there, it's alive and well. the bribers bribe both sides so it doesn't matter who you get. you're going to get the same government because they're all owned by special interests and the corporations. >> what evidence do we have, and we're talking about the house of representatives in particular right here, that many of the districts across the country, perhaps most of the districts across the country are getting exactly what they want in their representation? >> well, maybe they are. how can you prove they are? >> i don't know, but they elect these people time and time again. they all live in safe seats. they elect every two years, they face election and seem to win again and again and again. >> yeah, well, we could solve that, too. why do they put gang names on a ballot. why not put the candidate ffs name? it's done on purpose, so if you're conservative, you don't need to know the candidate. you can go in and look for republican. if you're liberal, you look for

democrat. let's remove gang names. let's make them political action committees. they can still indorse, but for me, we'll never get our country back until we get rid of -- and i've got good allies. you know who my allies are in this thinking? george washington, thomas jefferson, and john adams. they all warned us about the gangs. they said if the gangs take over government, that will be the destruction of the united states. and the gangs have taken it over. >> and you want to abolish parties all together? >> yes, make them political action committees. abolish them all together. >> what the voter's responsibility? doesn't the voter have to do something? >> sure, the voter's responsibility would be to educate themselves to what john smith stands for. >> are they doing that now, voters? >> no, they vote conservative or republican because they have been trained that way by the two gangs in the system we have of bribery. >> so -- >> and by the way, i'm the only elected official in 50 years, i

bet, who made more money doing the job than what i raised to get it. and i never in four years as government, i never once even spoke to a lobbiest. they weren't allowed in my office. >> you're out of government right now. are you thinking of getting back in? are people asking you directly will you run for president? >> heir asking me all the time. it's lining up perfect for me because i'll tell you what i'll win with. i will give the american people, if i run, the opportunity to vote for the first president since george washington, the father of our country, who does not belong to a political gang. >> well, you talk about adams, jefferson. there were parties and sides that developed quickly. >> not washington. >> washington was the only one. >> the only one? >> we could make history and elect the second president f i run, who does not belong to a political gang. >> and there's talk about howard stern as a running mate. >> there's a method to my madness. i dispiez the dirty munner. plus, when i was running for

governor, i was doing a radio show. i had to lose my job because of fcc regulations. with howard's show, i can stay on right until the election. he's sirius radio, fcc doesn't govern them. plus, we could appeal to his listeners to send us all $20. that way, i could continue staying clean because i don't accept pac money and i don't accept special interest money, and $50 isn't going to get you much of an audience. >> as he told you he's willing to do it? >> he's thinking about it, but i tell you, if he would support me and allow me to use his show, i would also, if he doesn't want to do it, i would consider senator angus king from maine, the former independent governor. he and i were the only two independent governors, so it very well could be a ventura/king combination. >> have you talked to angus king? >> i have not. >> so this is news to him? >> he knows because he's the ownow only guy i would trust. >> what are the odds you run for

president? >> i don't know. i don't know. 50/50. >> 50/50? that's pretty high. >> yeah. 50 i might, 50 i won't. >> when do you want to make that decision by? >> you have to make it pretty soon because the difficult thing is this, i would have to get ballot access in all 50 states. the two gangs already have it in all 50 states. see, they make the rules. that's what makes it difficult. it's like playing a football and at halftime, they change the rules on you. so i would have to get ballot access in all 50 states and i must be allowed in the debates. but they control that, too, the democrats and republicans control who can debate. and it's simple, if i can debate them, i can beat them. >> a yes/no decision by the end of this year? >> i don't know. not going to pin me down on something like that. i live in mexico right now and i have a new job. i'll be working for the richest man in a world because i can't get a job here in the media, but he's giving me one in mexico, so i will be broadcasting to the

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all right, innfl has a real crisis on its hands. we're talking about concussions. the head injuries which pose a threat not just to the league but honestly to the entire sport of football. in a dramatic new pbs documentary suggests the nfl has done everything it can to avoid tying football to brain injuries. >> we're finding a record of suspicious scientific papers published by the nfl's own hand-picked doctors. >> front line special league of denial, the nfl's concussion

crisis debuts tomorrow. it's based on the work of two terrific award winning investigative reporters. this is highly publicized, a little controversial. jake tapper jake, this is a pretty thorough look at the medical community and the nfl's look at the impact of concussions on players. >> that's right. in addition -- >> go ahead. >> in addition to the medical case that it builds as -- the book builds, as to how serious it can be to have a brain injury as withstood in the nfl, one of the things that this book achieves is building a case that the nfl has not wanted to know the truth, has kept the truth from the public and also, it paints a very moving picture of some of the victims of this. some people, mike webster from the pittsburgh steelers is

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