we don't know. so maybe calling them out individually is pointless, seems the truth is, no matter what the advertising says that chicken nuggets just are not that good for you, even though they seem like a fun healthy option for kids, they're not. you can swap out the fries for apples and soda. you are eating fat, along with bones, nerves, and connective tissue. anderson starts now. erin, thank you, good evening, everybody. tonight how the government shutdown could very quickly and easily become the nightmare. later we learned more about the somali pirates. tom hanks plays the captain who was a hero, well, tonight you'll hear more about the issue. and also tonight, elizabeth smart telling her story for the first time on her kidnapping and

captivity. >> i really didn't know what the definition of fear was until that moment. >> that and a lot more tonight, including a moment by moment account of the special forces raids that landed one top terror leader in custody but narrowly missed another. we begin with the government shutdown, which is now several days old, and a possible default on the debt ceiling. today, president obama repeated his refusal to negotiate on either. calling on john boehner to allow the government to be funded with no strings attached. speaker john boehner, on his part, not backing down. >> the president's refusal to negotiate is hurting our economy and putting our country at risk. >> the refusal to negotiate line, that is the gop line, a talking point this weekend on all the washington political shows, not so different from any side over the years. except for this. we actually had a look behind the scenes when that talking point sort of came into the world.

>> i think if we keep saying we wanted to de-fund it, we fought for it, and now they're willing to compromise on it? i think -- i know we don't want to be here, but we're going to win this. >> just keep saying we're willing to compromise. that is what senator paul said right there, only wednesday over the following days and through this weekend. his colleagues seem to have certainly taken his advice, listen to this. >> house republicans have repeatedly been compromising. >> compromise after compromise. >> negotiation. >> the president has not been willing to negotiate, we want to. >> in this town, you have to negotiate. >> negotiate. >> negotiate. >> we wait for the senate to come to the negotiating table. >> we still remain ready to negotiate. we should be sitting down talking. >> i'm willing to sit down and have a conversation with the president. >> that is the gop line, and here perhaps is the most viral version of the democratic response. >> mr. speaker, we've heard from our republican colleagues that the democrats don't want to

compromise. that the president doesn't want to negotiate. you know, i read something on the internet this morning are that sort of describes the type of negotiation the republicans want to have with us. goes something like that. can i burn down your house? no, how about just the second floor? no. how about the garage? no. well, let's talk about what i can burn down. no. you're not compromising. >> well, the bottom line in all of this back and forth, people are hurting from the shutdown and the financial markets are starting to get jumpy about a default on the debt. chief correspondent john king joins us with the latest, what is the latest? is there anything meaningful on the latest? >> not anything meaningful, there are proposals but not anything getting it to the finish line. a lot of rhetoric, but not a lot of talk toward it.

the president did say, speaker boehner, bring toward a clean bill to reopen the government, if you will. and we were doing counting at cnn, there are about 200 democrats for that. 214 republicans for that. that would leave them some votes shy, but anderson, that would be an experiment to democracy the country wants to see. but the speaker controls the calendar and the floor, and he is not ready to bring anything forth. they're insisting if it is about the government they get something for the health care bill, if it is about spending, they get something about spending, and for like. >> and we heard about the back pay when the shutdown ends could hit a snag in the senate? >> it did hit a snag in the senate, you could expect something like maybe 92 to 94, but again, it is the lack of trust and good will. democrats would bring it to the

floor to demonstrate good will. they want to get out ahead of it and say look, when you come back to work you will be paid. they want to do that and encourage a lot of people to come back to work during the furlough pay. they're not going to be officially paid just yet. however, republicans say if you bring it to the floor we want amendments, so we can bring up proposals that we think the democrats prevented us from voting. the democrats only want to bring it to the floor if it has an up or down vote, so there is a snag. >> there is the debt clock out there already, the white house says they could be ready for a short-term solution. >> the adviser saying look, if congress wanted to pass a two-week or three-week extension, to allow us to negotiate that would be good. it would take the threat off the financial markets and take the threat off the table at least for now. now, the white house says it is no big deal. some democrats are arguing about

that, you get to the key point, you would have to get the republicans to agree to that. number one, most republicans don't want to vote twice to raise the debt ceiling because it is against their litmus test, if you will. and to vote yes, you would have to then trust what you will get the negotiations on those questions whether it is the health care bill, deficit reduction or entitlement reforms. and that trust simply doesn't exist in washington, it was put out there as a trial balloon, but as we are seven days into the shutdown, there is no noticeable progress to sink your teeth into. >> lot of balloons just popping and raul labrador of idaho, appreciate you joining us. you and many other house republicans say the democrats refuse to negotiate. but the democrats did, and the senate passed a clean pass for government agencies that republican s wanted, not the democrats wanted.

$988 billion. harry reid said that speaker boehner said he wouldn't attach the finances to the bill, if there was a concession, wasn't that a negotiation? >> if you think about it, the 988 is not a republican number, that is the 2013 sequester levels. we're talking now about the 2014 level. we actually made a concession when we started out at the 988 number, which now it looks like it was a mistake for republicans to make that concession, because now harry reid continues to say he made the concession when we were the ones who agreed to the 2013 levels of funding, not the 2014 levels. >> so is harry reid just misinformed or lying when you say he was told that 988 was the figure by speaker boehner? >> that is what they talked about. i don't know what they talked about. i was not in the negotiations, that is between harry reid and the speaker of the house. >> so there were negotiations.

>> no, i don't know if there were, i was not present at the alleged negotiations. the reality is that the republicans have been holding firm on what we want to do for funding the government. you know, anderson, it is kind of like you telling cnn that you want to go ahead and you want to extend your contract for a year. and cnn tells you that you have to sign the dotted line right now and you can negotiate on the terms of your contract later. that is what the president wants us to do. and that is what harry reid wants us to do, and i don't think that is acceptable. >> but it is not really that way, because congress has not passed my contract, a and the supreme court has not accepted it as valid. the president won on the health care act and won twice, the opponent lost twice on the affordable care act, the supreme court has backed it up. why not allow us to come to a vote? >> well, number one, your premise is incorrect. when you think about one of the

reas reasons that mitt romney was not that popular in some circles, is because he was actually known as the godfather of obama care -- >> but he was your candidate and ran against it and lost. >> but he didn't, he didn't make obama care the basis of his campaign. he didn't spend a lot of time talking about obama care. >> and john mccain, what about him? >> john mccain was also -- they didn't talk about obama care, it was not the law of the land at the time. >> president obama certainly talked about affordable care act, and universal health care coverage. >> he did against john mccain, who lost for a lot of other reasons, but it wasn't obama care. >> but john mccain said elections have consequences. why not just bring this up for a clean vote? >> so according to you the only election that mattered was the election of obama. it doesn't matter that the house of representatives in 2010 and 2012 actually won both times with majorities because we were

-- fighting against obama care. >> but this law has been passed by congress, you didn't run on it. but you ran on repealing it. >> not a single republican voted for it. >> it passed congress, didn't it? >> it passed, didn't it? >> remember how it passed, through election picks, one of the reasons that obama care has so many problems right now is because they passed a bill in the senate. the senate was incomplete. >> so basically your argument is you're nullifying two elections of the president, and the vote of congress, and i get that -- >> you're argument is that the election of the house of representatives doesn't matter. the american people -- >> my argument is that the vote of the house of representatives and the vote of the senate does matter and this is a law and the supreme court has backed up this law. so at a certain point, why not just bring it to a vote? why not just bring it to a vote in the house right now? >> you know, we could bring it to a vote and it would lose, this is a beautiful talking point that the democrats have. it is something they have no

evidence that there is anybody willing to vote. >> why not bring it up and see? >> why should we? >> because that is how things work. >> so when nancy pelosi was the speaker of the mouhouse you actually asked her to vote for things that the republican party wanted. nobody in the media asked nancy pelosi to pass a progressive of the republican party. not once did that happen when she was speaker of the house, but now, all of a sudden, just because you don't like the fact that a t-- that the republicans are in the house of representatives. >> i don't have a stake in this. >> this is the way in journalism, when you're not on fox news, you get contentious interviews, when you're not on msnbc, you get contentious interviews. my next guest, a democrat, i'm

not taking the side of the democrats here, and in a minute here you will see i'm not taking the side of the republicans. >> but i'm just showing you anderson, we did have an election, in the election, we chose a republican house and a democratic senate. so we're not just going to sit here and do what the democrats want to do. or negotiate under democratic control. we have a republican house and we have a progressive that our constituents sent us to washington and win this, and to actually fight on it. >> i guess i don't understand, if you're convinced it wouldn't pass, why not bring it up to a vote and talk about it? >> but why do it, you have a discharge petition, not a single republican signed it. that is actual proof that not one single republican wanted to sign it. >> wouldn't it make your argument stronger, if you brought this up, let it not pass and then that takes away their

talking point. >> it is not necessary, when you have a discharge position when under the rules would force a vote under the house, not a single republican has signed it. so the talking points are null and vote. >> congressman, thank you for joining us. and many have said breaching it would not lead to economic disaster, congressman saying it is demagoguery. and the warning about the recession if the debt ceiling is not lifted. with that intra-party dispute, i want to bring in congressman elijah cummings. look, some are saying that he will not negotiate, even democr democrats are critical of his unwillingness to reach out to folks on capitol hill. why not negotiate now? >> negotiate over what?

see that is the question. they -- at one time -- >> well, they say delay for a year -- >> let me ask you a question, the affordable care act, that was one thing. they realize that they could not -- they tried to defeat it when we got it through the house and the senate. and then had it signed by the president and affirmed by the supreme court. so they couldn't get their way that way through the regular democratic process. so then they said okay, let's shut down the government. well, they shut down the government. now, they say we're going to threaten the creditworthiness of the united states and possibly the world economy. to do something that we're supposed to do. >> i don't understand -- >> wait a minute, we're supposed to keep the government open and we're supposed to pay our debts. >> what harm could be done if the president just brings speaker boehner into the white

house and tries to forge a path forward, many are saying look, we're willing to compromise now. >> well, keep in mind that it was six months that the senate has been trying to get the house to come together over a budget in a conference committee. they refused over and over again. the fact is the president is clear. and i agree with him. you have to keep the government open, number one, and let's pay our debts. and then let's sit down and see what we can work out. but you -- the republicans seem to act like if the president -- you know, it reminds me sort of when somebody has to pay child support. and then the republicans are saying oh, you got to give me something to pay my child support. no, you're supposed to pay your child support. >> they say that they were elected to these -- these representatives in the house were elected to de-fund obama care. that it is wildly unpopular,

they say, certainly in their districts. and if they have the mechanisms to force a sort of compromise, why should not they? >> it makes be unpopular in their districts, but let me tell you something, anderson, it is very popular in some districts like mine, where people cannot get the health care that they need. where women, i just marched about a week ago with a thousand women with lupus. and they could not get insurance before now because they had pre-existing conditions. one of the things that seem to be lacking in all of our conversations is that congress acted to give something to the american people. and what they did was give them access to insurance that they could not get. and now you have the republicans coming -- trying to come through the back door, trying to take away something. what about them? what about those people? >> we just had a republican congressman on saying well, congress passed this but it was

done through sort of sleight of hand and parlor trick. >> you can call it -- no matter what, it passed. if they had a problem with it they could have challenged it in the supreme court on that basis. well, the fact is that it passed. and i know they were sitting around just praying that justice roberts, chief justice roberts would say no, no, no, it is not constitutional. but what did he do? he said it is constitutional. and anderson, this is the law. let me tell you something, i every two years i come to congress, just like mr. labrador, we come and raise our hand and swear to the constitution -- >> so ohio dohow does it get re? >> well, you asked the question a little bit earlier. i bet everything i have got, except my wife and kids that if

you put this order forward with a clean cr it would pass. >> you have no doubt about that. >> i have absolutely no doubt about it. mr. labrador makes this argument about the document that -- we've got 195 people who have signed on saying to force the bill out. well, guess what? that is not a vote. i'm talking about if this was put on the floor it would pass tonight. but anderson, let me tell you something. i worry. our country is better than this. we really are. i did not come to the congress to throw mr. labrador's constituents under the bus, and i'm not throwing mine under the bus. and i think at the rate we're going that is where we're going to end up. again, if you want to err on the side of what is right. this is what you do. you err on the side of opening up government. so you go, we hold the vote. if they -- if there are not the votes there, then we stay where we are.

with a shutdown government. but if the votes are there, we open up the government so that the citizens of this great united states can have a benefit of the services that they have already paid taxes for. >> congressman, i appreciate you being on, as well. let us know what you think, following me @twitter, anderson. and coming up, a first look inside two american raids that happened over the weekend. later, elizabeth smart's full account on her abduction and her life since the terrible ordeal. it is a remarkable account. weekdays are for rising to the challenge. they're the days to take care of business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs.

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anas al l . new details tonight on the special forces operations that landed a top al-qaeda commander in american custody, but leaves another terrorist specialist at large. this guy, anas al liby, will head to new york where he will be facing trial after his alleged involvement in the raid that killed over 200. and chief national security

correspondent jim sciutto has more. >> reporter: this left a country dead and terrorized. it is attacks like this, bold, sophisticated and beyond somalia's borders that helped leave the united states to capture al shabaab on its territory. it was a daring night, the same team that captured osama bin laden. as the assault team approached the villa, they're met by a heavier resistance than expected with gunfire. they were surprised to see children in the compound, andwi their man. >> they took steps to avoid civilian casualties, that is what our military does.

>> reporter: seal teams they they were never pinned down and had rescue teams close by. and just hours away, in libya, this one in broad daylight in downtown tripoli. the target? anas al liby, picked up by the elite delta force. his family said he just returned from morning prayers when the u.s. forces, many in masks, surrounded his vehicle and rushed anas al liby away, as wife watched in terror close to their home. she spoke in syria. >> everything happened quickly. they grabbed him and shoved him in the car. i saw them doing this and saying get in but was not sure if that was my husband. the car sped off like a rocket. >> reporter: anas al liby, a senior al-qaeda operative wanted for bombing, is now on a ship.

the target remains at large. >> and you have been talking about the officials, what more are you learning about the raid? >> reporter: well, the biggest deal to come out is why the seal team turned away. they got into the village where they believed the target was inside, but they got close and saw civilians, particularly too many children and made the judgment that the risk of civilian casualties was too high. i asked an operative if he considered the mission a failure, he said absolutely no. the u.s. could "knock on their door anywhere in the world." i asked these officials why take such a risk now with life and limb sending a team on the ground there, a very dangerous place, was there a specific threat? they said no. was it tied to the westgate mall attack, they said no, as well. but they do say that their concern about al shabaab, it has

a greater ability to threaten attacks abroad, including threatening u.s. regions. and when they saw the attack at the mall they felt they were capable of this kind of thing and felt they had to be going in there and be more aggressive in going after their leaders. >> all right, thank you very much. joining us, former navy seal, chad williams, they write about anas al liby, and the war against al-qaeda. it is a fascinating book. he is the head of a security firm. >> ali, let me start out with you. a lot of people don't realize this al-qaeda operative who was taken in tripoli, he was actually stopped by the british back in 1999. and they let him go. you were called in to take part in that investigation. you had to watch him essentially walk out the door, explain what happened. >> basically, we were looking for him, his involvement in the 1998 bombing of the east african

embassy in nairobi. and at this point, we realized he had applied for political asylum in 1995. at that time, in the world before 9/11, we didn't have enough to start a legal case against him. so we hoped with that operation that we did with our british counterparts to get some evidence, and unfortunately, we couldn't find any smoking gun. so according to the law, according to our laws and their laws they had to let him go. a few months later we were able to build a case against him. he was indicted, and by then he escaped afghanistan and went to the united kingdom. >> is this somebody who you believe would have operative international information. >> i mean he was al-qaeda, went with osama bin laden to sedan, he continued to be with al-qaeda, operating especially in the east african region. the whole entire time that osama

bin laden was in sedan, he did casing of different french or israeli or u.s. targets in east africa. and then he continued to talk about targeting american interests, even outside africa. >> this is more about bringing somebody to justice as opposed to -- ongoing operations, things like that. >> well, you know, he has been in libya for a while, militant groups, as we know, his son was killed fighting troops. so i'm sure that law enforcement and the intelligence community has been monitoring him for a while and they have a lot of questions that probably they would like him to answer. >> i want to turn the operation to challenges in somalia. what kind of challenges did they see with this, other than how the osama bin laden operation took place. how would an operation like this take place? >> sure, this operation was particularly difficult because they were not going to be able

to come in from the ground. they're doing an over-the-beach strike. and so with that you just can't bring the same type of resources that you would be able to bring if you had say vehicles or are dropping in from helicopter. but once these guys have made it over the beach they want to try to make their way to the house as quiet as possible. they can't bring nearly as large of a team as they did for the osama bin laden raid just because they have to be just really under the radar. and then by the time they made contact, they're just in a really tricky situation. they have to make that decision whether or not they're going to fight through this thing and continue to try to pursue and find this guy. but eventually they made the call to go back to the water. and that was always the original intent. they never intended to retain the ground that they had occurred. >> it is up to who on the ground to decide whether or not we're moving forward with this operation, or we're going to pull back? >> that would be the assault lead. so that would be one of the ranking seals.

he is making calls, you know, whether or not he wants guys to go to the left. go to the right, start to clear out the house. and it is just that guy that is the on had-ground expert and has a good lay of the ground. he can make that decision whether or not he thinks it is a good idea to continue to pursue or just pull back. >> and in an operation like this, the reason to get the person alive is to have operational information the person they may have. >> absolutely, if they wanted to just wipe the person out, they could do it with a drone, instead of putting boots on the ground. but they wanted this guy alive for information. >> ali, what does this point to? does it point to the shift in the way they conduct the operations, but is this just business as usual? >> i think there is a shift in the terror strategy. now you see a shift happening where we were able to go in two different locations at the same time. getting two individuals, both of them were involved in a nairobi attack. one attack in 1998, and one

attack in 2013. and that was on the back drop of the anniversary of black hawk down. >> do you think it was just all coincidence that these two operations were occurring pretty much at the same time? >> i think it is nice from a message perspective that the united states is able to go and get these individuals, even after so many years. but i think at the same time there is a move to -- move to use more than one tool in the box. you know, for many years we used the drones. but now, it seems that we decided to useless law enforcement. and intelligence. >> interesting, great to have you on the program. chad williams, good to have you on, thank you so much. >> for more on the story you can go to cnn.com. up next, the navy seals rescued philips, the captain of the ship. some crew members say the portrayal of captain philips as

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hey, welcome back, a blockbuster movie opens on friday in theaters, called "captain philips," regarding the captain who was over run by pirates off the coast of somalia in 2009, he was played by two-time oscar winner, tom hanks, i really want to see the movie.

he was portrayed as a hero, but some of the members of the ship claim he was anything but a hero. >> reporter: as their captain was being lauded as a hero, the crew there watched and bit their tongues, no more. >> we vowed we were going to take it to our grave, we were not going to see anything. we heard this pr stuff coming out about him giving himself up. and he is still a hostage. and the whole crew is like what? because everybody is in shock. >> back in 2010, the alabama's chief engineer, mike perry, told us he and most of the crew couldn't believe the story being painted about their captain, captain richard philips. that he had given himself up in exchange for the safety of his crew. left out of the entire story, says perry, is the captain's recklessness that steered the maersk alabama into pirate-

pirate-infested waters. perry is talking about several e-mails sent by a private maritime security agency specifically warning of somali pirate attacks and advising ships to steer at least 600 miles off the coast. the alabama, according to its logs, was only about 300 miles offshore, and what is more, captain philips had read the e-mails but took the same route anyway. >> when i went back to the ship, the crew that was on there at that time had collected them all and i reviewed themmal. and h all and had the mates chart them on the ship. >> according to the crew, he saved money, that route would shorten the trip, and according to john crow cronyn, put the ship in harm's way. >> he was advised to stay on the same course, make our eta, stay

on the same course. >> reporter: in a 2010 interview, captain philips told us he was not used to criticism. when cnn confronted him with these e-mails and the crew's concerns, he said it was the first time his judgment had been questioned. >> the complaint is that there were specific e-mails sent to your ship stressing the need to go further out to sea. >> yes, so -- something like that, we'll deal with that in the arena that they wish. and that is the court. that is what this is based on. >> is it true? >> there are warnings put out. i don't know what authorities he is talking about. he doesn't say. >> well, i have the e-mails? >> yeah. >> you have seen the e-mails. >> i haven't seen the e-mails since i have been on the ship. >> but you were warned to go further out to sea. >> warned to stay clear of an area, yes. >> and you didn't? >> we were in -- we came from jaboodi, which is on the north

side of somalia, which is right next to somalia. we're going to amass, which is on the south side. we were in the area, almost 300 miles out during our incident. >> the captain is now a witness in a contentious lawsuit between some of the crew and the shipping company. in a deposition just last year, captain philips admitted he did indeed receive the e-mail warni warnings. he also admits he kept the warnings to himself. asked by the plaintiff's attorney, did you ever tell mate quinn or any of the other deck officers that you were receiving these warnings to remain 600 miles off the coast of somalia. philips answers, i don't believe i specifically did. asked why he didn't move further offshore, philips testifies, i don't believe 600 miles would make you safe. i didn't believe 1200 miles would make you safe. as i told the crew it would be a matter of when, not if. so we were always in this area. so it didn't, to me, lessen any

potential. chief engineer mike perry, who has since been paid by the movie a company first told us three years ago captain richard philips is dangerous. >> he doesn't heed the e-mail warnings telling him to go further out to sea. >> right. >> after the second attempt on the boat he doesn't stay the course, which is to go further out to sea. >> right. >> he doesn't lock the bridge when the pirates are attacking. and then when they're known to have been on board. they were on board and even at that point he didn't lock them. >> and what you're telling me, your hunch is that he wanted to be captured and wanted the boat to be taken by pirates? >> that is what many of our officers were saying to ourselves. >> did you want to stay with the pirates for some reason? >> no. i think they're forget iting th had weapons. >> philips told us much of the criticism is driven by human nature and by lawsuits filed by memb

members of his crew. he also says the story itself was fuelled by a press that wanted a hero. a captain who saved his crew. a good story and now, a movie. >> four pirates on board. four pirates. >> 2010, he himself admitted if he acted as a hero, it was accidental, and would never claim a hero's title for himself. >> the media got everything wrong. i don't know how i could control this when i'm in a life boat and the media is saying i gave myself up for it. in the book, if you read it -- have you read the book? >> i did. >> so you know i didn't give myself up, i was already a hostage by then. >> he said the real heroes are the ones he dedicated his book to, the navy, the navy seals, and yes, the merchant mariners he sailed with. drew griffin, cnn, burlington, vermont. >> all right, christiane amanpour has interviewed tom hanks about the upcoming film and will be here at 10:00 on "ac360," if you haven't seen it, i hope you join us. up next, elizabeth smart

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djibo . hey, welcome back, in tonight's big "ac360" interview, elizabeth smart, for the first time describing in detail her unimaginable ordeal, held captive for nine months, raped, starved.

but her story of survival is one of hope. she writes now about what she suffered and how her faith and family kept her going. i spoke with elizabeth earlier today. to understand your reasons that you and your family have obviously been very private about, exactly what happened over the last ten years, why did you decide to now write about it? >> there are a lot of reasons, i think the biggest is because i do a lot of public speaking. and every time i speak, someone comes up to me and says i was raped and i have never told anyone that. or i was kidnapped. or my dad tried to sell me to pay the mortgage on the house. i mean, i've had so many disclosures come to me. and so when i tried to consider writing a book that is really one of of the main reasons that drove me. because i wanted to reach out to the survivors and victims. i wanted them to know that these things do happen. but it doesn't mean that you have to be defined by it for the rest of your life of the you can

move forward and be happy. >> was it scary to contemplate about writing about it? because you write in great detail about the physical assaults and rape and all of it? >> i thought a lot about what i wanted to put into the book. and i decided that if i was going to write a book, i wanted it to be 100%. i didn't just want to go 10% and sugar coat the rest. i wanted it to be really what happened and what it was like every day i was there. because i don't think i'm doing anybody any favors by sugar-coating it. >> you write in the book about the moment you woke up, you're 14 years old, you wake up and there is a man with a knife at your throat. >> well, to me, my bedroom is the ultimate place in safety. i felt like that was the safest place in the world for me. so waking up in the middle of the night in my own bedroom having this strange man standing over me, someone i didn't recognize, not only that.

but having a knife being held to my throat, i was terrified. i had had grown up in a very happy home. and i really didn't know what the definition of fear was until that moment. that brought a whole new meaning. >> did he say he was -- what did he say in that moment? >> he said i have a knife at your neck, don't make a sound, get up and come with me. and then i remember getting up and going with him. and then on the way through my house, he bent over to my again and said if you make any sound, if you do anything that causes any attention or causes someone to come, i not only will kill you but i will kill anyone who tries to stop me. >> and what is going through your mind? i mean, you're 14 years old. >> i was praying so hard for an escape, i kept looking, kept waiting for some way to get away.

and i kept looking and when it didn't happen, i saw oh, my goodness, i am going to be raped and then kidnapped. i remember stopping him and asking him well, if you're just going to rape and kill me could you please do it here, because in my mind, i wanted my parents to know what had happened to me. i wanted them to know i had not run away, this was not my choosing, i was not upset with them, i wanted them to know it happened. >> so you just said if you're going to do this, do it now? >> he said oh, i'm not going to rape and kill you yet. and then we kept going, and i remember we got a little further and i stopped him again, and i said don't you realize what you're doing, if you get caught you will spend the rest of your life in prison? and he looked at me again and he said i know exactly what i'm doing and i know what the consequences are, the only difference is, i'm not going to get caught. >> did you meet the woman he was with right away? >> i didn't meet her until we had arrived at the hidden camp

way up in the mountains. >> what did you think when you saw this woman there? because she was in league with him, aiding and abetting? >> well, i was terrified when i got to the camp. but the scariest thing about this camp was this woman. >> really? >> yes, i remember she came out and had on robes and a head dress, and she came up to me and hugged me, but this hug was not comforting. i mean, if hugs could speak this hug would have said, you're mine, you will do exactly what i tell you to do. >> and did the assaults begin right away? >> the next nine months. my days consisted of being hungry. of being bored to death because he talked nonstop, always about himself. i mean, talk about self-absorbed. and then my days consisted of being raped. not just once, multiple times a day. >> and -- you write in the book

just when you think it couldn't get worse, it got worse? >> every time i thought it was rock bottom, my pajamas are being taken away from me, i'm forced to wear this nasty robe. or they would say you are going naked now, i would be forced to drink alcohol, which i had never done before. i would pass out, and i would find out that my face and hair was crusted in vomit. just every time i thought it couldn't get worse something always happened. >> and did -- you know, i have talked to so many kids who have been taken. and often there are those questions, well, did you ever think about running away, about getting away or why didn't you run away? and i think it is hard for people who have not been through it, who didn't remember. we're talking about children. you were 14 years old. psychologically, what change started to go through -- because early on you were talking about looking for an escape. when did that stop? >> well, i was so glad you

brought that point up. because it is so true. you can never judge a child or a victim of any crime on what they should have done. because you were not there. and you don't know. and you have no right just to sit in your arm chair at home and say well, why didn't you escape or do this? i mean, they just don't know. that is wrong. and i was 14. i was a little girl. and i had seen this man successfully kidnap me. he successfully chained me up and successfully raped me and did all of these things. what was to say that he wouldn't kill me when he made those threats to me? what was to say that he wouldn't kill my family. i eventually came to a point where i was like okay, one day, somehow, i'm going to survive this. i'm going to get back to my family. so in early march of 2003, we had ended up in california. and they were talking of new places to go like new york and boston and all i could think of

was oh, my goodness, we can't go to those places because if nobody found me here, why on earth would anybody found me there. >> she is a remarkable young women, we'll have part two of my interview with elizabeth smart, a remarkable young woman. she will tell us what she thought about the incredible moment she was rescued. and up next, questions about the biker attack, we'll be right back. i was made to work. make my mark with pride. create moments of value. build character through quality. and earn the right to be called a classic. the lands' end no iron dress shirt. starting at 49 dollars.

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