and that is it for us, thank you for joining us. erin burnett "out front" starts now. >> let's make a deal. we'll do everything we can to get this solved. >> is president obama only talking about the royal we? and a woman vanishes from a hospital.

she is found dead weeks later. it turns out now she may never have left. >> what happened at our hospital is horrible. a 16-year-old pop star caught in a war of words. over this chart-topping single. not offended? find out why some think you should be. let's go out front. >> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin "outfront" with news. a democratic lawmaker who just left a private meeting with the president at the white house tells cnn, the president signals a more, quote, give on the idea of a temporary six-week deal to lift the debt ceiling. that could be significant, obviously. dana bash is on capitol hill. i want to get straight to you. dana, what have you learned? so many questions. is the shutdown involved? will we be in the same place we

are now in six weeks? what happened? >> unclear about the first question, probably about the second question. we've been reporting since yesterday, and really even earlier, that this could be the makings of a potential deal. when i say this, this is a temporary six-week increase in the debt ceiling to give more time for negotiations. as you said, i was told by a democratic lawmaker who was at a meeting with the democratic caucus of the house at the white house, that the president said that he would be open to this. he said so publicly but it seems in private he was even more open to it. i was told that he said, if that's what speaker boehner needs to climb out of the tree he's stuck in, that's something we should look at. he also made clear to democrats, according to this lawmaker who i spoke with, that they feel that they're on firm ground right now. and if they say no to this. if the speaker wants to do this, they won't be on that firm ground they are right now. so their lawmaker told me --

erin, that they came away with the quote, small measure of hope that this does become the exit strategy. of course, as with everything, the devil has got to be in the details. and the question is going to be if this is the road that everybody goes down, what will the parameters of the negotiations be? because every senior republican source i've spoken to in the house has said in order for this to work, there have to be very specific parameters for negotiations on what they would entail with regard to what republicans are asking for. something that deal with reducing the debt and the deficit. that's where we are tonight. they're going to be a series of meetings tomorrow. maybe most importantly with house republican leaders and key committee chairman, republican chairman and the white house. and the president, i should say. >> thank you very much. obviously this could be significant, although again, six weeks, every time we've had one of these deadlines, it waits until the next deadline. and here we are in the same position we are right now. one could argue, it is better to solve this now rather than wait six weeks and do it over again.

our second story outfront. one of the few people in the world who will determine what happens when and if the debt ceiling is reached. he is not a politician but he does control a lot of your money, your pension, your 401(k). nearly $2 trillion worth. the manager of the largest bond fund, bill gross, co-cio of pimco. bill, always great to have you with us. >> thank you, erin. i know i am a bit jaded but i hear a six-week extension. i hear this is bad enough now. everyone will calm down and then we'll go through it again. what do you think about that in. -- if that were to even happen? >> it is better than nothing. it is like a toothache. at some point you have to go to the dentist and face up to the oral surgery, so to speak. there has to be a resolution to

the extent that it is not october 17th or some associated date, then fine. but at some point they have to get together and then solve the problem of the debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling itself. you're dealing with this every day. when you do your job. and people are throwing around all kinds of allegations and charges and words. let me get the bottom line from you. have you changed how you're investing due to this countdown to the debt ceiling? >> no, we haven't. if the debt ceiling is postponed, it is just a question of priorities. in terms of what the treasury decides to do. i mean, they have enough money basically to pay for interest. they have enough money to pay for maturities. basically, the government takes in $300 billion a month themselves only pay out $40 billion in terms of interest. it is a question of prioritizing payments to bond holders and other recipients such as veterans and those on social security. the government can pay. are they willing to let bond holders go to the front of the line? that's the question. as a bond holder, you asked,

have we changed our prioritizing in term of what we buy? basically not. we believe that the possibility of a default is 500,000 to one. or you know, basically a million to one. so we continue to buy treasuries and front end treasuries that stand a chance, perhaps, of being defaulted technically in the next few weeks. >> it would seem to me when you make this point about prioritizati prioritization, that it would be suicidal, to keep the pensions, to all the countries in the world that lend this country money. the word that it crucial, it would be a decision. of course, we're bond holders and we think the front of the line is the appropriate place. i would say that the treasury market to the extent that it is a default free market basically

sets the tone for the global economy. to the extent that a treasury does money good, then price of the treasury, the yield sets the tone for the rest of the financial markets around the globe and for the global economy. so if you have a default in terms of treasuries, then you have problems everywhere. >> and let me ask you the other big news that is highly relevant, the president formally choosing janet yellen to be his next fed chief. obviously, has to go through congress. but a lot of people say she has to keep the controversial spigot of money open. forget what she has to do. can she? >> i think she can. there's a limit to what the fed can do in material of writing checks at the moment for the year themselves write a trillion worth of collection to buy

treasuries. your question. can janet continue? we think she can for a while. if the fed tapers, if the fed stops buying treasuries of quantative ease, and it becomes a thing of the past, she will have to convince investors that policy rate, that the fed funds will be held constant for a long time. we think she can do that. we think she is the logical successor to ben bernanke but ultimately, a central bank is not, does not have unlimited powers in terms of what they can do. >> well, bill, thank you very much. we really appreciate you taking the time. you heard bill gross say it there. he believes the government could pay that interest out regardless of what happens with the debt ceiling. still outfront. did poor timing of a raid in libya cost the capture? then? and then the story gets even stranger and more disturbing. if it is true, why didn't he

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-- our third story out front, a new york city police officer being investigated for his alleged role in the violent confrontation between a group of bikers and an suv, he was off duty, riding with the motorcyclists. now, this comes a day after an nypd detective was arrested for his role in the fight. he was formally charged. susan candiotti has more. >> we're finding a lot more about what he's charged with. now we're hearing officially that he is charged with smashing the rear window of that suv using his fist. not only that but then kicking, kicking the suv as well. now, the lawyer had a lot to say. in fact, he said the video, your

honor, will exonerate my client, that is what he told reporters, as well. and he said that it will prove his client was not within 12 feet of the vehicle. and furthermore, he said the window was already broken. my sources tell me, it's just not true. in fact, the window was not broken until this man smashed and it there is video to approve it. i have to tell you something else, too. my sources are also telling me that this officer, when he first was being questioned by authorities, implied, as they put it, that he was a detail undercover. that he wasn't off duty after all. then they said his story shifted and he said well, i did see an assault but i didn't report it. then that shifted again once authorities said, we have video evidence that you played an active role. well, clearly through his lawyer, he said it is not true. >> the video will prove it.

that undercover detective and then today the other undercover offduty officer. he is under investigation, as well. >> we're learning more about that. he has not been accused of anything. but additional information tonight, we've always said that he was being questioned and that he was in essence cooperating with authorities. i've learned that he was in fact also off duty. he was riding with the other off duty detective. however my source tells me they have no information that he played any kind of active role in the assault. so at this point, it doesn't appear that he will be charged but we'll see what happens. however, they continue to look for those other civilian bikers. that's their main thrust right now. and in fact we learned a few minutes ago that they have indeed arrested yet another biker and charged him with gang assault. >> the story just gets bigger and bigger. thank you very much. susan has been breaking the details on that story.

our fourth story is a father's plea for help. tonight father of a 9-year-old boy who hopped on a plane to vegas without a ticket is speaking out about his son's troubled history. you may say history? he is 9 years old. but there is a pattern. the man who did not want to be identified said he has met with doctors, school authorities to get help with his son's behavioral issues. this makes you think of a lot of other things that have happened in this country where we don't seem to have a mental health net to help children with mental health issues. he is worried his son may pull another stunt if no one steps in to help. >> we were asking for help. >> reporter: in what can only be described as a weird press conference, the tearful, disguised father of the 9-year-old boy who got past

security and got on the delta flight to las vegas, made a very public cry for help. >> i don't know how my 9-year-old son, we've been asking for help. no one stepped up to help. >> reporter: the man says the last he new, his rambunctious 9-year-old took out the trash. the next thing he knew for sure, his kid was in vegas. >> how would you let a 9-year-old child go through security check without stopping him and questioning him? how can that be? he is not a terrorist. he is a 9-year-old child. he went through screening. he boarded the plane. how is that possible? >> reporter: but this seems to be a different sort of 9-year-old who comes with a history. his father says in just the last few weeks, he was suspended from school for fighting. that's when he stole a truck and there are suggestions, he purposely wrecked it. the minneapolis star tribune found more. four child protection assessments on the boy's family since 2012. the boy is described as challenging and claimed to

investigators that his mother held a knife to his throat and seemingly fantasized that his mother was stabbed and died. a family spokesperson said the county is now offering services and programs to help the anxious family. here's what the father told police the last time his son got in trouble. >> i asked the officer, please, sir, can you go upstairs with me, watch me whoop his butt. the officer told me, if i see you hit your son, we're going to have to lock you up. >> reporter: a defiant 9-year-old. a family struggling to deal with him. >> reporter: he was spotted on security cam video on the escalators, playing like any other 9-year-old would do before following a family and getting through security barriers. they say they may change the configuration of the barriers because of that. the spokesperson said they may

be back on friday where i'm sure he'll be due for another whooping. erin? >> all right, miguel, thank you very much. now tonight's money and power. tonight, the topic, very expensive to buy one of these thing a thousand dollars. a curved smartphone made by samsung called the round. we can't test it because it is only going on sale in south korea. we can tell you it only comes in not black, not the new apple color of gold but in my recent favorite color, brown. that's pretty sad. some cool little features. you can roll it to check the time and see missed calls. even if the screen is off, it just kind of rotates. what does the round do for the number one rivalry in the world right now? samsung versus apple? samsung shares trade in the north korea have moved. just because this is first of its phone to hit the market

doesn't mean it will be the best. but he says the flexible display technology is the future. in a world where everyone asks, what tech company has a transformational? could it be the screen? this is the first thing that has really been different about these phones. would you try round? it seems incredible exempt for one weird thing. it will sure feel and look weird in your pants pocket. what if you sit on it and you crack it? any way. up next, a woman goes missing in a san francisco hospital. 17 days later, it turns out she may have never left that hospital. found. >> then, in jail for having a sexual relationship with a young girl. and don't mess with the united states coast guard.

ka a woman vanishes from a hospital for 17 days. it turns out she may never have left. 57-year-old lynne spalding checked herself into san francisco general on september 19th. two days later she disappeared. now authorities say a body found in a stairwell at the hospital is believed to be the missing mother of two. this is shocking. it is shocking that it could have happened in the united states. how does a body go unnoticed in a hospital? like san francisco general for more than two weeks? dan simon is "outfront." >> i want to know that this would never happen to anyone else. >> reporter: today raw emotion as friends of lynne spalding sharply criticized the san

francisco hospital where the woman's body was found outside one of the stairwells. how could the hospital staff not find her for 17 days? >> there are so many places around here that someone could go or be disoriented or be in harm's way? what happened at our hospital is horrible. this has shaken us to our core, our staff is devastated. we don't know what happened to this woman. >> reporter: lynne spalding, the mother of two with a thick british accent was admitted to the hospital on september 19th for a serious infection. two days later, she vanished from her room. 15 minutes after being checked in by a nurse. the family recalls her room on the fifth floor, highlighted by this box. the red arrow showing where her body was discovered one floor below in a fire escape. when spalding walked through

doors to the fire escape, the hospital said they would have automatically locked behind her. the only way out would have been to find the exit to the hospital grounds. >> reporter: a family spokesman questioning why no one looked in that fire escape. he wonders whether she may have been dazed by powerful medication. >> lynne spalding died alone in a stairwell and her body was there 17 days. >> reporter: a member of the engineering staff found her body. the employee doing a routine check. at this point the family spokesman said it is way too early to talk about lawsuits. they're just beginning to grieve. but it would seem the hospital still has a lot of explaining to do. erin? >> dan simon, thank you very much. absolutely bizarre and disturbing story. still outfront, did the u.s. drop the ball again in libya? why the timing of two raids on terrorists may have cost america at a chance of a very high value target. then open gym for congress, new china as in plates. and tee times. this is what the shutdown looks

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." u.s. officials confirmed to cnn after a bit of backtracking the military aid to egypt will be cut. the u.s. is cutting $260 million in cash, as well as tohe apache helicopters, harpoon missiles and tank parts. it all adds up to about $500 million which is nearly half of the $1.3 billion in annual military aid the united states gives egypt. a lot of people have been asking why the united states hasn't cut off aid to egypt as hundreds if

not thousands have been killed in violent clashes with the interim government which forcibly removed the interim president from power. it dwarfs the u.s. military aid. it may consolidate power but it cannot be used for what just a -- they really want on the military side. american weapons, american helicopters, american guns, american planes and american parts for their tanks. kaitlin hunt is currently serving a four-month sentence under a plea deal. you see her here. she is wearing an orange jump suit. she talked to our affiliate, and said she didn't understand why she was in trouble. she said the girl was the person she once confided in. but she now believes that girl put her away.

>> i care about her as a person. it is someone i dated for a long time but i don't love her the way i did before. >> relieved that this is almost behind her. after jail she'll be under house arrest for two years. >> breaking bad. still in the headline and so addictive and that "variety" magazine reports, offered to pay $75 million for three episodes. that is an incredible amount of money considering each only costs about $3.5 million to make. the idea was to roll them out online in small snippets over 30 days. variety tells us he spoke with catsenberg tonight. and then the ideas came too late. that the final episode had been shot. even though there is talk about whether it can be revived. i don't want to be a spoiler but i do not believe that is

possible. our sixth story "outfront." dropping the ball on libya. the u.s. military may have had plans to seize two high profile targets including the militia leader behind the attack on the american consulate in which four americans were murder in the benghazi a year ago. but it didn't happen. the raid in tripoli that captured abu al libi. and now he may have gone into hiding. outfront, nick robertson in tripoli live with the latest. nick, obviously, you are in the place to be. and obviously, it seems, you know, it could possibly have been a bit of incompetent here on the part of the planners, i mean, how did this go so wrong? >> reporter: it's hard to say how it went wrong. but we have to say it is incredible that a guy like al libi could be lifted from his home with his family and have nothing for several days given that they know his background. the fact that people remain quiet is surprising.

abu qatallah, suspected of being behind the murder of u.s. ambassador chris stevens. we've talked to people close to him. and he has the feeling that no one will pick him up right now because of what has happened in tripoli. the lifting of al libi. he feels that he is pretty safe right now. i talked as well, earlier to the justice minister here. and he is very clear. he says the united states has no authority to come in for a second arrest. indeed, he said it would be very damaging for the government, erin. >> and of course, cattala spoke on this. and at that time he had not talked to anyone. had not been debriefed by any u.s. intelligence but was willing to talk to journalists. what are these operations in the fallout saying about the libyan government? i know that's probably a generous word to describe it. how much the united states can rely on libyans for cooperation?

>> reporter: you know, i put that precisely to the justice minister here a couple hours ago. i said could you arrest abu catalla right now? he said no, he couldn't. when? well, i could do it soon, how soon? not tonight, but hopefully very soon. the bottom line here is, the government doesn't have a national security institution. it doesn't have a national army, a national police. it doesn't go to benghazi. listen to the gunfire behind me here. it doesn't go very far in this city at all. crime is on the rise in the country. so the bottom line for the government is, they're not going to get out and arrest him any time soon. i asked the justice minister. is this country libya, a failed state? and he said it is close to being a failed state. he hopes the government can turn it around. that's the reality. even the leaders in this country realize that libya is in a very, very precarious position.

>> all right, nic robertson, reporting live from tripoli. and i think it says it all about what the situation is when he is there on a regular night and you can still hear gunfire. our seventh story "outfront." throughout the shutdown, the white house has said the president would reject any efforts to fund the government piecemeal. >> this piecemeal approach is gimmickry and irresponsible. the answer to all of this is not the piecemeal reaction to them, or a band-aid approach to solving them. >> except that sometimes piecemeal approaches have worked for the white house. in the same briefing, carney told reporters, the president would make sure that families of fallen u.s. soldiers would receive death benefits. >> the president expects this to be fixed today. >> today. >> correct. >> so it should be resolved -- >> that is what the president

expects. he was not pleased to learn of this problem. and he has directed them to find a solution and he expects to have one today. >> all right, the problem was fixed. the pentagon reached an agreement with a charity that would pay the money owed to the military families. they voted unanimously to ensure that the benefits would be restored. no one can or should argue that they deserve the funds and deserve them immediately. the question is a broader one. is the white house sending mixed messages? "outfront," tim cain, good to see you. really appreciate it. >> the white house has repeatedly said, they don't want to do this in a piecemeal fashion. but that is what is happening on some level. is the president talking out of both sides of his mouth? >> i don't think so. when we acted earlier, and my days are running together, last week or over the weekend. to do the military pay. a lot of us thought this had

been taken care of. when it became clear that it was at least ambiguous or that it wasn't clear, i'm really glad secretary hagel stepped in. i'm glad the house did what they did. these benefits are benefits that should be paid. the bigger picture is this. i do think the white house is right. that you can't let people shut down the whole government and then selectively decide what they want to reopen. because if you do that, you're going to have a shutdown every year. people who cannot get what they want, who refuse a budget negotiation, will shut the entire government down and then they'll decide who they want to let up off the mat and that's no way to run the government of the greatest nation on earth. >> what about this deal reported on tonight? dana bash was saying, one of the democratic lawmakers who just met with the president, left and said they felt the president was more willing to give in terms of a temporary deal. it was unclear if a shutdown was involved. six weeks, i hear this and i

have to say, i don't know. i get frustrated. every time, i'm sure you do, too. every time there is a little stall, whether it is six weeks or 18 months, we end up right where we are. >> well, i'll say this to you. i think we all know that at a minimum, this will be a two-step process. if you do a debt ceiling in cr, as we want to do, we acknowledge, we're still going to have to come back to do the budget deal. for 2014, maybe even a broader one to deal with the sequester. so there is going to be two steps. the first might be six or eight weeks. that's understood. what we need to do is reopen government and affirm that america will honor its debts. we need to get into a budget negotiation that the senate has been trying to do. >> let me ask about what paul ryan said. the stalemate can end because both parties can agree on the need for entitlement and tax reform. and he noted a sunny statistic.

entitlement spending is expected to go 79%. he suggested that could be changed with things like increasing the retirement age. and i know plenty of democrats who agree with that. are you open to making a deal now that would include those kinds of things? >> erin, when i saw that article by paul ryan, i just was, you've got to be kidding me. we passed a budget in the senate in martha basically put a number in for entitlement reforms. we have been trying to go to a conference with the house since the 26th of march and they have been blocking it. every time we've tried, we don't want a conference because we don't want to compromise. what they wanted was a confrontation. not a compromise. and less than three hours after they shut government down, they then sent across. now we're ready to sit down and have a conference. we want to have a conference over what are the conditions under which we will allow the government of the united states to reopen. but look, at any point, it is a good idea.

if they come to it after six and a half months, of course we want to sit down and do it. there is no reason to keep these people laid off. private contractors. i met with a bunch of employees and private contractors in my office today. they're all laid off, furloughed. they're all worried about their paychecks. why would we keep them laid off. they can negotiate. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time. our eighth story, pumping iron. the government shutdown may have shut down some things but rest assured that lawmakers still get to go to their taxpayer-paid gyms on capitol hill. some are outraged that this is happening. >> that is true, it doesn't cost very much. but it costs. electricity, the hot water, the towels, they're not provided by gym fairies, they're provided by tax payers. >> it turns out it is not just

the capitol gym. out front, it is already hard for people to understand when you have a shutdown and you can bring back 50% of the people who are furloughed overnight and not really explain why, but there are other things that would shock people that are exempt from the shutdown. >> if you want to take a hike right now, if you want to go to a national park or you want to peek at a picasso at a national museum or visit a historic site like a battlefield under the government's control, you can't do it. the shutdown has put all of this offlimits. in many cases there are guards telling to you stay away as if these places are not allowed. if you have an outdoorsy -- you are that type, and you want to play a round of golf like the president, no, he is not playing

out there now but the golf course at andrews air force base is still swinging. even though it is clearly a federal facility, officials say it is operating on a budget, not appropriated by congress, so let's open. let's say you want to protest something. the park service defended it saying it allowed this activity while shutting down many others by saying this was a first amendment matter. these people had something to say. by that rationale, i would think you could go hiking through yellowstone as long as you carried a sign and complained about global warming or something. you could say it's my first amendment rights. and if you're a member of congress and you want to work out your frustration, you can trot down to these doors. the taxpayer subsidized capitol hill gym. they can all work out and grab a shower and trust me, their memberships are a lot cheaper

than anything you will find in your neighborhood. so there is closed and there is closed. >> we've all been hearing about the crystal glasses the state department was purchasing at the time of the shutdown which might have upset people when we have issues with embassy security, that they would be buying the crystal any way. on top of the shutdown. what is going on with that? >> the state department did indeed place an order for between 25,000 and 5 million crystal glasses to be delivered over the next five years. this was done just ahead of the shutdown. and the glasses are coming from an american company to be used in diplomatic missions around the world so there are jobs being created. still, the fact this contract squeaked in as the government was striking to a halt, it does have a let them eat cake feeling. still ahead, a story out of hollywood. a pilot of a plane falls sick. an untrained passenger has to land it with someone on the ground trying to tell him what to do. this was real life and we'll show it to you. then the number one song on the charts in the u.s. is it racist?

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the pilot falls ill and the passenger, who has no idea how to fly the plane is forced to take the controls. well, that is exactly what happ happened to 77-year-old john wildy over england on tuesday evening. they call in two flight instructors to talk him through. how to safely land the two seater cessna. he said he was absolutely terrified. at one point, he thinks the plane even stalled. he flew over the airport multiple times before finally landing the aircraft in complete darkness. now, sadly, the pilot later died, due to his illness. wildy said that despite the trau traumatic experience, he would be willing to fly again. >> now i want to go to china. a jaw dropping story about a 2-year-old boy that had a fetus removed from his stomach. this is something you must see to believe.

>> reporter: erin, a 2-year-old chinese boy underwent surgery to essentially remove a twin who developed inside him. you heard that right. doctors were shocked to discover an undeveloped fetus inside his stomach. the 2-year-old was taken to the hospital after his stomach became so enlarged he was having difficulty breathing. x-rays and mri scans revealed he was carrying the undeveloped fetus of his conjoined twin inside his swollen stomach. the fetus was nearly 8 inches wide and developed a spine, fingers and toes, according to news reports. it did not survive. the west china hospital has confirmed to cnn the boy recovered and has checked out of the hospital. erin? >> that is one of the most disturbing stories i have ever heard.

our ninth story "outfront." the debut single royals is the top single, the most shared song in the united states this year. that is a pretty impressive ensemble. but the new zealand artist known as "lord," is under fire after a prominent f oeminist criticized them for the racist lyrics. ♪ bloodstains trashing a hotel room, we don't care, we're driving cadillacs in our dreams ♪ ♪ jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold leash, we don't care we aren't caught up in your love affair ♪ >> out front tonight, show biz tonight. a.j., it's been out since march and in case anyone couldn't hear the lyrics, it said gold teeth,

gray goose, tripping in the bathroom, bloodstains, ball gowns, trashing the hotel rooms, we don't care, we're driving cadillacs in our dreams. why the outrage? >> there is a feminist blogger calling out lord saying the lyrics are racist and got traction not necessarily because of the column itself but all of the responses. so many of lord's fans have gone online to defend lord and say what are you talking about? let me read a bit of what this blogger said in her blog. she said while i love a good critique of wealth accumulation at equity this song is not one, in fact, it's deeply racist because we all know what we're talking gold teeth, cristal and maybacks. hip-hop artists are known to name drop these things. >> right, that is an american way of looking at things,

though, as an american you would say well, in those videos that is what they do. but she is a 16-year-old from new zealand. do you think race had anything to do with it? >> not at all. it's a huge stretch. she grew up listening to hip-hop and let's face it, aero smith, the rolling stones, black keys aren't singing about these things. the music that she listens to, that lord listens to this is what they are talking about. it was only natural for her to drop them. she also sings about jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold learn. leash. it is consumerism that she was really called out on here. i'm surprised by it. there are people out there on social media defending this blogger and saying yeah, you have a point there. if you look really, really deep into it maybe you can find something but that's not at all the intention here and i don't think that's what is at play. >> the blogger, veronica sent a statement and said she's pushing back saying this is racism, not just a casual encounter but an

instance of personal prejudice. it is an entire system that requires consistent reinforcement and dehumanization of people of color to uphold. she could be right but perhaps not intended racism? >> i don't even see it that way but there is a lot of music this blogger would have to go after. there was a huge song by jessie jay last year, a white english singer who was singing about music and how now today it's all about these are the lyrics, low blows and video hoes. you know, she wants to harken back to a time when it was more simple and about peace and smiling and love and not about the bling. it's part about pop culture and race is about. direct racism, i don't think so? >> if you're looking for offensive words in songs -- >> there are a lot of places to go. >> thanks to a.j. we'll be right back.

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nazih ru www.vitac.com thanks for joining us. we'll be back here same time, same night hoping for a miracle in washington because, you know, miracles do happen even when they do involve politicians. this is "piers morgan tonight," shutdown, day nine, how long can this go on for, and are we any closer to a deal for a deadline? i'll talk to two congressmen, and a republican that will meet with them tomorrow. 26 military personnel have died since the shutdown began, and because of the shutdown there has been a terrible cost to the families they belieleave behind. the loss of benefits at the worst possible time. debt.country owes them a sacred the president said it best,