we're going to hear from both sides of the debate. and right now, the dow jones industrial average a little bit lower. investors are waiting on the delayed september jobs report that's now due out tomorrow morning. and right now, outside reno, nevada, two people are dead and two boys are in critical condition after someone opened fire at a middle school. that according to local officials in sparks, nevada. police say the suspect has been "neutralized." it's not clear right now if there are more victims. hello, i'm wolf blitzer reporting today from washington. full steam ahead. that's the message from president obama today. he was the keynote speaker at an obama care pep rally in the rose garden at the white house. while he admitted there have been some major issues with the health exchange website, he also tried to clear up misconceptions and questions about obama care.

>> for 85% of americans who already have health insurance through your employer or medicare or medicaid, you don't need to sign up for coverage through a website at all. you've already got coverage. what the affordable care act does for you is to provide you with new benefits and protections that have been in place for some time. the problem has been that the website that's supposed to make it easy to apply for and purchase the insurance is not working the way should for everybody. there's no sugar coating it. the website has been too slow. people have been getting stuck during the application process. and i think it's fair to say that nobody's more frustrated by that than i am precisely because the product is good, i want the cash registers to work. i want the checkout lines to be smooth. so i want people to be able to get this great product.

and there's no excuse for the problems. and it's these problems are getting fixed. but while we're working out the kinks in the system, i want everybody to understand the nature of the problem. first of all, even with all the problems at healthcare.gov, the website is still working for a lot of people. just not as quick or efficient or consistent as we want. and although many of these folks have found that they had to wait longer than they wanted, once they complete the process, they're very happy with the deal that's available to them. just like janice's. second, i want everybody to remember that we're only three weeks into a six-month open enrollment period when you can buy these new plans. we did not wage this long and contentionious battle just around a website. that's not what this was about.

we wage this had battle to make sure that millions of americans in the wealthiest nation on earth finally have the same chance to get the same security of affordable quality health care as anybody else. >> the president also pointed out that 476,000 people have already applied for the health insurance exchanges through federal and state marketplaces. he did not say how many of those 476,000 actually have taken the next step and purchased a specific health plan although at one point in his speech, did he say that number was in the thousands. jim acosta was there in the rose garden. he's joining us right now. jim, the health and human services secretary be kathleen sebelius was at the event. the president didn't call on her, made no reference to her. as you know, all of our viewers know, she's coming under a lot of criticism right now for the roll out of the website. >> that's right. and there are a lot of conservative lawmakers up on

capitol hill, wolf, who think she should testify at a hearing coming up on thursday. there's a hearing in the house that is on these glitches on these technical problems with the obama care website. she's been called to testify. the department of health and human services says she's not available and she's doing events around the country later this week. that appears to be not going to happen at this point. interesting to note, wolf, you played a long chunk of what the president had to say there. he did emp size with a lot of americans out there having problems getting on the website. i he did not say when exactly these problems will get fix the and didn't say who was doing the fixing. the administration said over the weekend they're starting to bring in the best and brightest from across not only the government but the private sector to work on these fixes, but the president didn't talk about who those people are. they said they're working 24 hours a day, seven days a week. no more specifics than that. so it is going to be interesting to watch how all of this plays

out. as you know, wolf, the president said in the very begyneing of all of in this was going to be like going on to amazon.com or the kayak travel website clearly that has not been the case so far. there are a lot of expectations that the president built up. the white house has said there are going to be glitches in all of this. this seems to be more systemic than glitches. white house press secretary jay carney said at the white house briefing going on right now that the volume of people coming into the website and they think about 20 million people have visit the website so far was higher than anticipated. that's what he resulted in some of these glitchesen and kinks they're now encountering. there are a lot of experts out there, wolf. as you know, they've been talking to a variety of news outlets who say these aren't just glitches and kinks, that there might it be something systemic in what is going on with the website. that's what they've got to figure out here in the next several weeks to months. they've got to get this figured out soon, wolf. >> we have a new cnn poll we're

releasing today. we asked the american people about their support for obama care. and look at this, 41% favor the health care bill. 38% oppose it because it's too liberal. those are mostly obviously republicans. 12% oppose it because it's not liberal enough. those might be people who would want a government sponsored single pair system, if you will. when the white house looks at those numbers what do they see and what do they say? >> well, i this i that is one of the caveats that we get thrown in our faces from white house officials privately from time to time when we focus on these polls and it shows that the popularity of obama care sort of upside down. when they dig into these numbers, officials here say wait a minute, you're not talking about the fact that there are people who don't like obama care because it isn't single pair health care. so it's interesting that you point that out, wolf. that is basically what people inside this administration say, but at the same time, that was

single pair health care was never going to happen. remember, this is what mitt romney to a large extent carried out in massachusetts. and there are some people i've talked to, a lot of health experts up in massachusetts. i've done some stories on romney care over the years, they experienced some of these same issues when romney care was rolling out. supporters and dwipders of the law say medicare had some of the same issues when it was rolled out. what is going to have to happen, wolf, and this is critically important for this president, they've got to the show people that these fixes are taking place because there's this is huge news void right now with the shutdown being over and the prospect of default behind us, and it seems like right now, obama care is dominating that discussion. that's not good news for this white house, wolf. >> we'll be speaking shortly with the communications director at the white house, jennifer palmeri and get her take what's going on. we've got good questions for her. jim, thanks very much. we heard from the president, but even as he tries to put forward the positive, here's the reality. people trying to enroll in obama

care are finding one problem after another. he's calling in experts to fix it. let's bringing in cnn money's laurie sigel, she's reached out to silicon valley where all the experts are. so laurie, what's wrong with the website right now and what do the experts think need to be done to fix it. >> first of all, we didn't really hear obama address specifics what's going on wrong. the one thing he did say is the number of people visiting aggregated underlying problems. we know that the website had about 4.6 in illon people signing on in the first days. we know there are other problems. i can tell you one of the specific problems was with the account creation. people tried to go in and tried to bid out an account. we have to know this is a complicated website. it's not front facing. it's pinging the irs, doing a lot of different types of things. as obama said, they're working 24/7 to fix this. in the valley a lot of people are just saying, they're kind of

shaking their heads that this type of rollout could have possibly happened, wolf. >> what are the experts saying about the security, there's a lot of sensitive information that people have to put in to the website if they want to go ahead and eventually purchase health insurance, their social security numbers and stuff like that. what are they saying about the cyber security, the safety of this website? >> well, that's huge. we need to talk about that because in the valley, it's move fast and break things. we all know they move pretty quickly here and also broke a lot of things. but in the valley, privacy, they pretty much ask for forgiveness and not permission. with this type of site, you can't ask for forgiveness if there's valuable data that's exposed. so from talking with folks, those privacy, that privacy had to be baked in, which is adding to the complexity of the website and this sort of roll out, wolf. >> laurie segall, thanks very much. no excuse for the problems. that's what the president of the

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is kind of like a trip to the department of motor vehicles in your state. people can't even if they can access the website, there's no way to get quotes. even those who is may be fortunate to sign up are going to find that the premiums are higher and the choices are fewer. >> let's bring in jennifer palmieri, the communications director over at the white house. thanks very much for coming in. >> thanks for having me, wolf. >> mish mcconnell said because of all the problems, it was a rushed effort, would you consider delaying at least part of this, the individual mandate, the penalty for example, because people are having a tough time logging on? >> no, we don't think that's necessary. part of the reason why we had a six-month enrollment period was to allow extra time if we encountered problems in enrolling. in this case, we have with the

website. in past experiences in massachusetts, for example, what you found was very few people enrolled in the first month. it wasn't till you got to a deadline that people did that. so we think that the schedule is okay as it is. and that's why we billed it to be six months. >> john cornyn, the senator from texas says you've already spent hundreds of millions of dollars getting this website off the ground albeit obviously the fragile state it's in right now. he wants to know how much the repairs, the tech surge, how much more will taxpayers have to spend for that? >> that's a question for hhs. i don't have as much detail as they do about their project, but we are very focused on getting -- it was good to add this, what they were calling the tech surge. advisors, people who have dealt with tough problems before to

come in and advise us on you know, what they see. the president's very frustrated by the website. it is making progress every day. that is a true fact. and we will stay at it until it gets done. >> apparently, jennifer, there were warnings in the six months before october 1st that there were some serious is problems, but hhs decided to go ahead and launch it in any case. here's the question had who screwed up? >> we're not focused on assigning blame. we're focused on fixing the problem. obviously, i mean, as hhs has said, they underestimated the amount of people who would be coming to website. so when they tested, they didn't test for the amount of people that we are seeing. so you know, that has caused or that has unearthed these problems. but we just want to make sure that it gets fixed and that in the meantime, people have options offline through the call

centers or by downloading the applications online or going to a local community health center where they can get information and apply while we're fixing the site. we still want people to go to the site. and it is people are making it all the way through, but it is obviously still a more frustrating experience than it should be. >> will the secretary of health and human services, kathleen sebelius who was in the rose garden during the president's remarks today, testify this week before that house committee that's beginning oversight investigation into what happened? >> you know, hhs is very happy to cooperate with congress on oversight matters. they do it all the time. i believe there was a timing problem with this week's hearing. i think the committee and hhs are trying to work that out. >> so thursday, you think she will be able to squeeze a few hours in? >> she has said she's not able to attend. i think they are, you know, she's been up there dozens of

times to testify. this is something that was called with relatively short notice, but i believe that the committee and hhs are trying to work something out to have an appropriate representative there. >> are they trying to get somebody else from hhs to testify? >> i don't know. you'd have to talk to hhs specifically. i understand they're trying to work this out with the committee. >> what about all these republicans calling on the president to fire her. reince priebus issued another statement the chairman of the rnc, he said we're dealing with a fundamental breakdown in leadership. someone should be held accountable. i also suggest that president obama fire hhs secretary sebelius. if hhs were a private company, she would have been gone two weeks ago." does the president still have full confidence in kathleen sebelius? >> yes. i don't find it surprising that the republican party chief would be calling for her to resign. but what people have to remember the president always says that obama care is more than a

website. what we've created is a new marketplace where people can get affordable insurance. what would have been a big problem and what may have spoken to a flaw in the underlying legislation would be if people weren't interested and instead what we're having is overwhelming interest and people wanting to purchase this insurance. so we still are very unhappy with the state of the website and we will fix it, but this is a having more interest is a better problem than not having any at all. >> will the president support complete transparency and giving the american public all the numbers on a regular basis, he said 20 million people have actually gone online and tried to check it out. 500,000 people have registered but he's not telling us or the administration is not telling us how many people have gone ahead and purchased health insurance, completed the process right now. when are we going to learn all those numbers? >> mid-november.

this is what we said prior to october 1 in terms of reporting that we would report in on enrollment on a monthly basis in the middle of the month. and you know, what our -- this is not just the federal numbers. all the states have their own marketplaces. so it's a lot to cull. we think that a monthly snapshot is a good snapshot is. we put the number out over this weekend about the applications to give people a sense of interest and as frustrating as the website is, you know, people are still being able to process their applications. >> one final question, jennifer. when will it be completely filmed? >> i can't speak to that with certainty. we -- i wouldn't even say we're day to day on this because we never are heads up from the project because it is going on 24/7. we're continuing to make progress and we will stay at it. >> jennifer palmieri is the communications director at the

white house. she's got a tough job. good luck, jennifer. we'll stay in close touch with you. >> thank you, wolf. coming up at the bottom of the hour, a freshman republican congressman, we'll get his opinions on the president's frank assessment of the exchange website. also, senator ted cruz, he hasn't pulled any punches at all on obama care. hasn't ruled out doing anything and everything possible to get the law off the books. dana bash had an exclusive interview with the texas republican. we'll share some of that with you when we come back. cg/úññ

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the battle over obama care

certainly was at the heart of the 16-day partial government shutdown. republicans tried to defund it. then they tried to delay it. all those efforts clearly failed. at the forefront of that fight was the texas senator ted cruz. he sat down with our own dana bash and told her that she's not ready to let obama care go unchallenged. >> are you planning on doing this again january 15th when the current bill that was just passed to reopen the government, when it finishes? >> there will be time enough to talk about specific strategy, specific tactics. what i can tell you is i think we need to keep as the top priority providing meaningful relief for all the millions of people. >> you're very deliberately not ruling it out? >> there are a lot of politicians in washington who want to put obama care behind us, say okay, fine. no more. no more discussing obama care. you know what? the american people are not satisfied with that. >> but on a practical level,

what is frustrating some or many of your colleagues is that they think that you are turning your ire on them instead of focusing on trying to help elect more republicans to do what you all want to do, and i know you say you're not endorsing any primary candidates, but your tactics are being used as fund-raising tools for the very groups that do fund those primary candidates. >> look, my ire is focused on obama care because it's not working and hurting the american people. i don't think it's acceptable. i'm not willing to go to the texans who elected me and say well, you're hurting because of obama care but you wash my hands. there's nothing i can do about it. i'm not going to stand up and fight. i'm not willing to tell that to my constituents and i am encouraging senate republicans to stand together for principle. >> to those who say you have tarnished the republican brand and set the republican party back in efforts to maybe retake the senate, maybe get in a position where a republican can win the white house in 2016?

>> the single most damaging thing that has happened to republicans for 2014 is all of the senate republicans coming out attacking the house republicans, attacking those pushing the effort to defund fund obama care and lining themselves up opposite the american people. now, i'm hopeful that will change. i'm hopeful there will be some time, some reflection and that senate republicans will come back, come back to the principles they believe and they campaigned on. i'm hopeful we'll actually put action behind the campaign promises. >> ted cruz is also calling for unity among republicans. apparently the american people are unified about their feelings on congress as a whole. our brand new cnn/orc poll shows is congress has an approval rate of only 12%. the president's job approval number right now is at 44%. not so great either. but a lot better than 1%. let's bring in our political director mark preston. 12% had how surprised should we be? >> we shouldn't be surprised at all given the fact that we saw a

dysfunctional washington at its best the past couple of weeks. and look, the 12% is near the all-time low that we've seen congressional republicans hit in our poll. just a couple of weeks ago. there's a lot of anger at washington. >> take a look at this number. we asked about republican control of the house, is it bad for the country. in 2010, 42%, 2011, 41%, now up to 54% a majority think republican control of the house is bad for the united states. >> it's the first time we've seen that since they took control of the house back in 2010. what is troubling for republicans is that independence right now in that number, if you were to break the number down, 53% of independents think it's bad for house republicans to run the house at this point. not good news. >> speaker boehner we asked should he be replaced as speaker of the house, among liberals 70% said yes. among moderates, 65% said yes. among conservatives 55% said yes. is he in serious political

trouble right now? >> he's not in serious political trouble, but the last number that you stated is troublesome i think for baner. 55% of conservatives don't want him to be the speaker anymore. he came under a lot of criticism because he did not cut a deal earlier with president obama on the government shutdown and on the debt ceiling. however, he had to work with his caucus and his conference. and quite frankly, there was enough of them that made him move a certain way. he walked a fine line but certainly john boehner's damaged. >> damage right now to the republicans. we'll see a year from now in the midterm elections what happens then. that's a long time. mark, thanks very much. the president says the obama care website, he guarantees it will be fixed. some republicans say, however, that is not good enough. they want heads to roll. a freshman republican congressman standing by to weigh in. we take away your stuffy no. you keep the peace. we calm your congestion and pain. [ man ] thank you. thank you. [ female announcer ] you rally the team. you guys were awesome.

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speaking of the white house rose garden just a little while ago, president obama said he is frustrated at the problems with the obama care website. he pledged to fix without giving a timeline. the president also seemed to take some of his critics to task. >> and in the meantime, i've said many times, i am willing to work with anyone on any idea to make this law perform even better. but it's time for folks to stop rooting for its failure. because hard working middle class families are rooting for its success. >> all right. let's bring in luke messer, a freshman congressman from indiana. he serves on the house budget committee, among which other committee are you on? >> foreign affairs. >> nothing to do with this subject right now. budget very important. so what are you doing? are you rooting for the failure of obama care? are you rooting for its success.

>> of course not. we're rooting for the millions of americans who now have to fall within that law. i think the president needs to be careful here. he's not just the president of the democratic party. he's the president of all of america. everybody's disappointed with the events of the last several weeks. now it's time to move forward. i thought his comments were remarkable. he came across as sort of a combination of a fred thompson reverse mortgage ad and a call have technician walking through the minutia of how to sign up on a website. while he was talking, our team tried to sign up and the website didn't work. >> in indiana, how is it working out in indiana per se? >> obviously you know the information is very hard to obtain. we've got about half a million folks that started an account across the country. >> all over the united states. >> across the whole country. the appearance in indiana seems to be very small. i actually signed a letter today asking the sect sebelius to give us that information. >> she's going to testify at some point her spokespeople say. but she's apparently not ready to appear this thursday before

the house committee investigating as part of its oversight responsibilities. so what would you do to fix obama care? and don't say just kill the whole thing because it's the law of the land. the president's not going to veto legislation, even if it goes through the house but it has to go through the senate. you don't have two-thirds override. what would you do right now to fix it. >> it's important to point out the president had an opportunity to end this crisis on september 30th before we had the walkout by delaying the individual mandate. we would have still had these website glitches but folks wouldn't be worried whether they have to pay a tax for signing up on a website that doesn't work. now the administration is going to have to make this work. frankly, i think if they don't get it fixed in the coming weeks, they're going to have a very hard time not giving individuals an exception. >> we just heard from the xwhous o white house communications director jennifer palmieri saying they still to the end of march to purchase health insurance if they can afford it. if they don't, they'll pay a

penalty through a tax at the end of the year. she says they always built in there would be some problems. an there's plent had i of time between now and march to sign up. >> there is time. right now they're standing behind this 500,000 accounts, this number of 500,000 accounts. they can only hide behind that number for so long. the number that will matter in the end is the number of people who sign up on the website. as you said earlier today, the actualtarily analysis doesn't work unless millions of people sign up because it's not affordable otherwise. this is one those areas where the president's not going to be able to behind behind rhetoric. they're going to have it deliverable very soon. >> you voted against reopening the government the other day. do you have any regrets about that vote? >> no, i voted against the legislation because it was a bad deal for the american people. >> reopening the government was good, avoiding -- default was good, right? >> i'm glad the government's open. i don't like how we got there. >> you're glad the u.s. ha

hasn't defaulted. >> i was never for default or for for a shutdown. >> if your side would have won, that could have happened. >> if the president would have negotiated we never would have been where we were. the bill gave the president a blank check on debt. and the bill made no improvements to obama care in the face of these very real problems we're having. >> are you getting -- what's the feedback you're getting from your district? were you concerned you could be "primaried if you would have voted with the speaker, for example, was eric cantor? they all voted in favor of reopening. you voted against. was that primary concern an issue for you? >> it was a nonfactor in my vote. what the reason i voted the way i did is because it was a bad deal for the american people. frankly in my district, people believe it's important we stand up for principle and obama care is very unpopular. >> so have you confidence in the speaker. >> i think the speaker has done a good job under very difficult circumstances. he certainly has my support. >> even though he voted to reopen the government, he voted the opposite way? >> sure. he leads an entire caucus. there were enough folks in our

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all right. let's take a look where the markets are right now. things will a lit quieter today after the s&p 500 hit record highs last week. take a look at it, the dow what, down just about six points or so. most investors seeeem to be waiting until the jobs report is released. that report was delayed from last month because of the government shutdown. we're expecting that tomorrow morning, 8:30 a.m. eastern. we'll be watching that for you, of course, here on cnn's new day. j.p. morgan chase as tentatively agreed to pay $13 billion, that's with a "b," billion

dollars to resolve several federal investigators. the justice department has been looking into accusations they misrepresented bad mortgages it sold to investors leading up to the 2008 financial crisis. once finished, that could be the biggest settlement from a single financial institution in the wake of the 2008 crisis. alison kosik is over at the new york stock exchange watching all of this. that's a huge number, alison. $13 billion. >> it really is huge. but it is something, believe it or not, p morgan still can handle. keep in mind this settlement still needs to be finalized. if it is finalized, that $13 billion billion penalty would wind up being split into two. $9 billion would go into fines, to penalties, it would go to the government. $4 billion would go for what they're calling consumer relief, not recompletely sure what that means. it could mean it would go toward some type of loan modification. past mortgage settlements resulted in refinancings for

people who owed more on their mortgage than the home is worth. cash for people who lost their homes. so that amount of money could actually go to people who were sort of harmed in this. this deal would wind up settling allegations that jm morgan misled investors. what they're accused of doing is bundling these bad mortgages together and selling them and misleading investors how solid these investments were. >> what about criminal charges? it's one thing to pay is the fine of $13 billion. what about criminal charges, the possibility that someone might even go to jail? >> yeah, criminal charges are a possibility in this. keep in mind there are no criminal charges just why the. jpmorgan is making an effort to protect itself from these kinds of charges. they wanted what's called a no prosecution agreement in this settlement. the department of justice said no. so the door to a possible criminal charge, that door is still open. one thing to keep in mind though, this is not just about the jm morgan. most of the practices that jp morgue be has been accused of

actually happened at washington mutual and bear stearns. i bring up these other banks because what happened is jpmorgan bought these two banks at the urging of the government as a way to prevent an even bigger financial meltdown. in some ways, many people think they were doing the government a favor by taking on these two banks and taking on their problems because in 2008, jn morgan was one of the only banks out there strong enough to do that. now many are saying that jm morgan is kind of the fall guy taking on other bank's problems. nonetheless though, the possibility for criminal charges still remains, wolf? >> under the theory no good deed shall go unpunished some are suggesting that might be the case right now. alison, thanks very much. shocking news from dick cheney. how he thought assassins could use his pacemaker to kill him. [ male announcer ] this is brad.

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from the former vice president dick cheney about his long history of heart problems. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta interviewed the former vice president on "60 minutes" about his new book entitled "heart an american medical odyssey," and he asked him about this episode of homeland in which assassin kills the vice president by hacking into his pacemaker. cheney he had his doctors disable his wireless capabilities to prevent such a possibility attack. "homeland" wasn't even on the air at that time. sanjay also asked cheney if he was worried his health would affect his decision making. >> you were instrumental in many big decisions for the country, including going into afghanistan and iraq. >> and terrorist surveillance program and enhanced interrogation. >> terrorist surveillance programs, wiretapping enhanced interrogation. you had had four heart attacks, three catheterizations at this

point, a defib bri later. bypass surgery. >> right. >> did you worry about your physical health impacting your judgment, your cognition? >> no. >> not at all? >> no. >> were you the best that you could be? >> well, i was as good as i could be given the fact that i was 60 some years old at that point and a heart patient. >> cheney didn't want to acknowledge numerous studies that show a significant connection between severe heart disease and memory loss, depression, a decline in decision making abilities and impaired cognition. or that he could be one of the many patients vulnerable to these side effect. did they talk at all about potential side effects because of limited flood flow to the brain, on cognition and judgment? was that something you had heard about in any way? in you didn't know about it, you weren't worried about it. >> no. >> both? >> no, i wasn't worried about it did anyone counsel you on that. >> not that i recall. >> what about even the things like depression?

>> no. >> and that's all he wanted to say about that. but what dick cheney was eager to talk about was his transplant, detailed in his new book "heart." >> when you emerge from that gift of life of emotion, but it's very positive. i think my first words when i came out under the anesthetic and they said it worked great was hot damn, literally. >> sanjay is joining us from the cnn center. what did cheney do differently to stay alive while few others in his position have survived? a heart transplant is not an everyday occurrence. >> there's a couple things. in some ways, he was the beneficiary of many medical developments at the exact time he needed them. perfections of a particular technique in heart surgery, a certain devices that were made

available to him, things like that that just came along right when he needed it. he gave this analogy when he drives down the road, it's like every light looks red, but as he's pulling up to them, they start to turn green. that's how he saw this intersection between his medical history and medical technology, helping him. but he also did something else, wolf, i think is very important. he really was very diligent, he says, about getting checked out. 37 years old, he has this tingling in his arms and hands. he checks it out, turned out it was the beginning of a heart attack. a lot of 37-year-olds might blow that off or not go to a doctor right away. he said if he was in the middle of a televised debate and had symptoms, he would have left the lectern and gone to the hospital. getting that checked out he credits with a large part of the reason he's alive today. >> the fact he was a vice president with a heart condition for eight years and enormous

stress in that job, wars, terrorism, everything else. do you believe paced on all the studies you have reported on and taken a close look at, that that enormous stress could further deteriorate his own heart? >> there are plenty of studies to suggest that, certainly, and this is one of those areas that's been studies for a long time, looking back into what are quote/unquote type a personalities to the overall more objective measures of stress, cortisol levels in the body that could harden the arteries and increase blood pressure, but he said something that former president clinton said when i asked him about his heart disease. he said it was one thing where he couldn't imagine not having that stress. he thinks he actually thrived under it, it was actually beneficial to him and something similar to what president clinton had said as well. there's probably a selection of people, wolf, who the stress maybe doesn't impact them as much and they actually thrive on

it more than the average person. >> amazing. you did an amazing job, sanjay. i was on a flight last night, watched the 60 minutes report. made that flight go a little more quickly seeing your excellent, excellent work. good work, thanks sanjay, very much. >> you got it, thank you. >> you can see sanjay's full interview, and i recommend that you do, with the former vice president right here on cnn tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. eastern. that's tuesday night, 8:00 p.m. eastern on ac 360. you will enjoy and learn and we always do. we learn from sanjay. six months after the boston marathon bombing, and most people have moved on. some can't, however. you are going to meet a woman who lost a leg. a suviver. she has made a very personality promise to herself. and cramps come back? what if the plane gets delayed? what if i can't hide my symptoms? what if? but what if the most important question

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journey so people can better understand what she's going through. >> i am on my way to a prosthetician appointment. still working on that word. and they're going to fit me for my leg. yay! so exciting! >> oh, my gosh. hi. >> here's your foot. >> oh. >> look at the other side. >> this is like seeing my child walk for the first time again. it's pretty emotional and it's pretty exciting. but she's a star. she's amazing. >> so stand up for me. does it hurt? >> no. she's standing on her own. >> so what do you feel?

what i need you to differentiate, you okay? doing good. at your own speed. >> okay. okay. >> one. >> it feels really good just to stand up right now. i haven't stood up in a really long time. i almost forgot what it felt like. it reminds me of dancing, and i just so desperately want that again, and i'm so close. if feels really good. >> seven, eight. >> i think i'm further than i thought i would be in six months. i remember just getting my prosthetic and thinking it would take forever and also in the same time, thinking, you know, i've got to do this. i had made a very strong point

to not dwell on the people who did this. i insisted on being calling a survivor and not a victim. victim has ownership on me. i'm not having that. that means i somehow belong to somebody or i'm suffering because of him. and i'm not suffering. i'm thriving. >> what an amazing and wonderful young lady. that's it for me. thank you very much for watching. "newsroom" continues right now with brooke baldwin. the obama care sign-ups, a fiasco, a disaster. a total mess. whatever you want to call it, the president himself is calling in his techies and we're talking to one of our own. the question, how will you fix it? i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. a mom goes on national tv saying her daughter would never bully. but now, new video uncovers the mom's secret.

>> the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> a mysterious blond girl found inside a gypsy camp. abducted or adopted? ♪ about to kick off this party >> is emgnome ginem getting a fs from homophobihomophobics. >> and -- >> he loved it. >> a family orders a special headstone for their daughter's grave, but the cemetery now says it's coming down. hi, there. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with breaking news on this monday. horrific news to pass on out of nevada. a deadly school shooting. hires what we know right now, two people are dead and police say their bodies were found when they arrived on the scene. at sparks middle school.

we also know two others right now are listed in critical condition. press conference just began. let's take a listen. >> at this point, information is preliminary. i will confirm that there are two deceased. and two individualed injured. i want to emphasize that the students are safe and the community is safe. there are no outstanding suspects. the students are in the process of being reunited with their parents at this time. sparks police department will be the lead investigating agency with the assistance of the reno police department, the county sheriff's department and the washa county police. i want to thank all the agencies that responded so rapidly to this unfortunate situation. we really appreciate their assistance so quickly. at this point, i'm going to turn it over to chief mike nurs of

the school district police. >> i'm mike maris, the chief of police for the wash ow county school district. we finished up our parent unifications. celebrity j excellent job by the sparks high school staff at reuniting the students back with their parents. two of the injured students, one has gone through surgery and is out at this time. the other individual is doing well. the one deceased is a staff member of the school. sparks middle school. the other deceased individual at this point in time appears to be a student/suspect in this case. the parent reunification, again, went very well. the school did an excellent job on going into the emergency management procedures, and if the parents do have questions or concerns, if they want to call, i'll give out three numbers they

can call and we have counselors working those switchboards and working with parents. we're setting up later on this week, we're setting up a student service at the school which we will have additional counselors there. so those numbers are, the first one is 789-3804. the other is 789-3802. and 333-3786. thank you. >> good morning. first of all, our heart and prayers go out to all our staff. our children that have been affected, and our parents. i want to thank the sparks police, the sheriff's department, the city of sparks. we have our mayor here, our trustees here with us. this is just a very sad day for us. a very tragic day. we'll be working with our children and our parents throughout the week to try to get them through this ordeal. but again, i just want to thank

the community for coming together behind this tragedy. i have president clark -- i'm sorry, mayor gino next. >> thanks. and thank you all for being here today. again, it's been sad. it's a tragic day for the city of sparks. our hearts go out to all those who have been affected, the students, the families, all those people involved. but i want to reiterate again that the city itself is very safe. this is just an isolated incident that i don't believe this is any kind of spree that's going to go on or anything like that, crime spree. again, it's very, very tragic. i'm saddened to be here, saddened to have to come before you and talk about this. but it's happened. i want to thank all the local law enforcement, what a great response. came from all these folks, all these folks all around. not only from the county and reno and sparks, but the highway

patrol was there. everyone was very good in coming together to help us respond to the tragic day. so again, i want to reiterate, the city is very safe. this is a an isolated incident, and i apologize for having to be here today to speak about this, but it's one of those things that happens. thank you. barbara clark? >> hi. as president of school board on behalf of my fellow board members, i want to say how tragic this is. and how saddened we are. our student safety and our staff safety is of utmost, paramount concern to us. and we are doing everything that we possibly can to assist the police as well as our parents, our students and staff, by providing interventions and counseling, and we will be here and do whatever is necessary to

make sure that everyone has an opportunity to have their needs met. i would like to say the governor has called as well and expressed his sympathy. we appreciate everything that the police have done. and we are going to pursue this to see what measures we need to take. again, our most heartfelt to all of our students and our families. thank you. >> another news briefing will be held at 4:00 this afternoon here at the sparks -- >> clearly an incredibly difficult day for school officials, for members of law enforcement in sparks, nevada. learning some new information there in that brief press briefing. the fact they mentioned, according to the chief of police, the two who were injured in the school shooting at sparks middle school, they were both students. one of whom has just undergone surgery and the other is,

quote/unquote doing well. as far as the two who are dead, according to the police chief, he said one was a school staff member, and the other, this is how he described this individual, appears to be a student/suspect. quickly, a little color from this newspaper from the reno gazet gazette journal. a 13 to 14-year-old student wearing a sparks middle school uniform was the one, according to eye witnesses at the school, firing the shots near the basketball courts. and quote/unquote fired a shot at the teacher. this newspaper reporter asked, was he a young kid? the answer was yes. we're keeping a close eye on this tragic story out of sparks, nevada. we'll pass more information along as soon as we get it. now ths. >> a woman blowing herself up on a bus in southern russia today, and the whole thing was caught on dash cam video. here it is, the horrific moment

this explosion rips through the bus. you see just smoke here. people running moments after the woman detonated this bomb. at least six people were killed, and more than 30 other were hurt. many of them critically. cnn's phil black joins me now from russia. phil, what exactly are we seeing in the video other than this smoke and this bus blowing up? and who is this suicide bomber? >> well, brooke, it shows the bus just moments before the blast. on this dash cam video, a lot of russian drivers have these. you can see the bus and the moment of explosion. the debris thrown across the road, the car with the camera slows and eventually stops, and further on down the road where the bus stops, you can see the survivors fleeing from the vehicle, running away. investigators here have said that one of those survivors told them that the blast took place moments after a woman boarded the bus. investigators believe it was a female suicide bomber.

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with even his allies blasting the launch of the su r centerpiece of his long awaited health care aform, president obama said today it is helping americans find health insurance at a reasonable cost. as for the website failures that have hampered potential sign-ups, the president said there is no excuse for that. >> nobody is madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as it should. which means it's going to get fixed. [ applause ] and in the meantime, you can bypass the website and apply by phone or in person. >> okay, so he's told us that. he's also said, the president has launched a tech surge to fix the website problems, but he never said exactly what it is that's prevented many users from signing on and he didn't say who is to blame.

kathleen sebelius was in attendance today. as the president's health secretary, she's facing calls to resign over the program's launch. with me from toronto, technology analyst mark solsman, also a syndicated writer. welcome. we heard the president -- >> thank you. >> are we any clearer exactly what the problems are and when, i think that's the more important question, when they get fixed? >> both of those things we don't know. so there hasn't -- the president did not announce a timeline as to when the website will be working correctly. he did discuss the alternatives like picking up the phone or printing out a form and bringing it somewhere local. without saying that he's going to extend the application deadline, it suggests that you bet they're working on it, but he did not say it, nor did -- the administration, nor did the contractors say what is actually going wrong here. i think any sort of tech expert would assume it's one of two

things here, if not both. one is too much traffic. they didn't expect or anticipate the influx of people, and i believe it's, i think the president said, about 20 million over the past couple weeks, to handle all that traffic. and secondly, software bugs or glitches. the president called them kinks. i think that's a loyte word for people not being able to process their applications easily. it's a major problem and he's doubling up the engineers to work on it. >> he said, i have the best and brightest working on the bugs, the kinks, whatever you want to call this. this is what he said. >> we are doing everything we can possibly do to get the websites working better, faster, sooner. we've got people working overtime, 24/7, to boost capacity and address the problems. experts from some of america's top private sector tech companies who, by the way, have seen things like this happen

before, they want it to work. they're reaching out, offering to send help. >> so they want to help, but i'm sitting there and listening to the president and wondering, mark, why not get the best and the brightest to start with? was it a money issue? >> i don't think so. they had quite a healthy budget to get this going. when you launch a website, you simulate having all that traffic hit your site at the same time. so there's an assumption that with something as important as obama care, that they would have gone through all of those tests and trials prior to launch. so it's an assumption they either rushed to market, that this isn't quite ready for primetime, or perhaps they didn't hire the best. i think it's probably the former, that there was a tight deadline in which to launch the obama care website, and i just think they weren't prepared for the amount of people who were signing up, nor did they have the right software. now, one analyst -- sorry, one of the contractors suggested

that they could fix this, but it might take up to five million lines of code to do so. >> translate that for me. >> that means a lot of programmers. that means a lot of programmers working around the clock, as the president suggested, and that's going to take a long time. >> okay. mark, thank you very much. that was part of the story that came out of the rose garden today. the other, did you notice the woman standing behind the president today? a bit of an interesting, nonskrifted moment at the news conference because the woman in the red wavering, wavering, she interrupted the speech. she nearly fainted. we're going to talk to this woman live. plus this -- >> the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> the mom of an alleged bully arrested for a secret of her own. you'll hear the sheriff's candid words next. bacon and cheese diet? this is the creamy chicken corn chowder. i mean, look at it. so indulgent. did i tell you i am on the... [ both ] chicken pot pie diet!

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first, her stepdaughter gets arrested for allegedly bullying a girl to death, and now this florida woman faces her own charges after video surfaced of her beating someone up, not with her words, but with her fists. they say she's seen in this facebook video hitting a teenage boy multiple times. so we're going to play this for you, but just a heads up, the video, it's tough to look at. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> what is wrong with you? >> you hear the bleeps. i mean, in the video, she is apparently cursing. she's screaming at this boy.

because he had just kicked another teenager in the groin. now, her arrest is not related to the case of her daughter, who is one of those two minors arrested after 12-year-old rebecca saidwig committed suicide. the alleged victim of cyberbullying. and chris cuomo describes how rebecca's arrest ultimately led to the arrest of the florida stepmom. >> the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> harsh words from polk county sheriff brady judd for the mom of a bully after he saw this, a surprising video showing vivian punching and screaming at six kids, ranging in age from 9 to 14. the video was deemed child abuse and neglect. >> do you have anything to say to rebecca's family? >> the mom was arrested just five days after her daughter, 14-year-old guadalupe shaw was arrested and charged with

aggravated stalking, bullying that authorities say contributed to the suicide of 12-year-old rebec rebecca. shaw's attorney denies that charge. according to an aft, she said two boy were having a fight and she was trying to break them up. she added that she was, quote, having a bad day. the woman in this video is a far cry from the concerned mother who told me she was sure her daughter was wrongly accused. >> i think it's not fair because, you know, they're punishing my daughter for something that they're saying that she did over the internet. and i know that my daughter wouldn't do something like that. >> vossburg told cnn she closely monitored her children's social media accounts, yet this sheriff's department said they easily located this video on facebook. meanwhile, rebecca's family still copes with their loss. she jumped to her death just a month before her 13th birthday.

it would have been this past saturday. her mother posting this emotional message to her daughter. i just want to wish my baby girth gigirl a happy birthday in heaven. >> chris cuomo reporting there. >> this morning on new day, chris interviewed the polk county sheriff about the message he thinks this case is sending to families. >> everything we saw was really disturbing. she was beating on the two kids with her fists. she actually beat them in the face and in the head. and then once the fight was over and all the other kids were screaming and cussing and high fiving, she gave kind of an editorial comment. and then they posted all of that on facebook. and she tells us her daughter would never bully. well, we saw the real truth. >> joining me in the next hour, i'm going to talk to a psychologist about the video and maybe how your family can learn from it. coming up, the woman who nearly fainted right behind

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just to make sure she was okay. >> the one illness -- there you go. you're okay. yrm right here. i got you. no, no, you're okay. this happens when i talk too long. you'll be okay. you got it? [ applause ] good catch, by the way. >> good catch, he says. want to let you know the woman, you heard the applause. she's okay. her name is caramel allison. we have her on the phone to talk about what exactly happened. so how are you? >> i'm feeling much better now, thank you. >> how long were you standing there? >> it wasn't actually that long. the 20 minutes of the talk, and we had come out right before the

president, but i'm just -- i'm 20 weeks pregnant at this point and i hadn't had much to drink because i was worried about possibly needing to go to the bathroom during the speech, so i wanted to avoid that. as the sun hit me, i got a little light headed, but everything is okay and back to normal. >> i'm glad to hear it. we were chatting briefly in commercial break. this is your first little one. congratulations. can guess you'll have a good story to tell down the road. >> he met the president. >> exactly. exactly. so what happened once we see this woman come and take you? what happened next? >> well, i mean, you know, i just was taken back and got the best care possible from the white house physicians, which now i get to say the aca got me care by the white house medical professionals. i think i won that one. but you know, it was an honor to be there, and i'm rather sorry i fainted in the middle of the speech. but i was really happy to be able to be there on stage at

that moment and to be part of this amazing opportunity for us as americans. >> let's talk about that. >> with the aca. >> i read since you were 9 years of age, you have had type one diabetes. so you stayed on the same insurance plan even though it's gotten increasingly expensive because of this pre-existing condition. now with obama care, you feel like this is leveling the playing field, so to speak. >> yeah, you know, i was diagnosed at the age of 9, and at the time, i wasn't aware, but as i aged and grown up, it has become an expensive disease to take care of. if you don't have health care, i don't understand how people do it without health care. i was lucky enough to be covered beforehand and had continuing coverage, but there was always a fear in me that, you know, if i ever needed to move, if i ever needed to leave the current plan, that could be devastating financially. i mean, my husband and i might not be able to handle that. and you know, it might require me taking jobs i didn't want to

take just for health care or not being able to do what i wanted to do. and so, you know, for me, the moment i went on shortly after the websites opened and was able to just fill out three or four questions, a very short questionnaire, and just spent a moment thinking about, wow, i'm not looking to switch, but if i wanted to, this is how easy it would be. it really was an amazing moment that i was not expecting. i was more just curious to see what the website was like. >> so you were able to get in a-okay? because we heard the president today. he says he's the angriest of everyone for all these -- >> right. >> i don't think glitches fully covers it, but what do you make of all the issues with the website rollout. >> i spent many years as a software engineering and building websites is hard, and building websites that get lots of sudden traffic is hard, too. that's technicalities, logistics and as the president said, not

what the health care law is about. for me it was fine, but maybe it was because it was in early october and just beginning, but that's something that can be fixed. if you have the force of the president behind you, it's something that will be fixed quickly. you know -- >> no, no, i'm just so glad you're okay. thank you so much for calling in. like i said, you'll have a great story to tell your first child. thank you. our best. now to this one. this is a follow-up on something we brought you about the boy scout leaders accused of vandalizing this ancient rock in this utah state mark, maybe in more hot water legally speaking because we showed you this video. so they of course rolled on the whole thing, they're muscling, wiggling this boulder from the jurassic era. here it was. >> that's crazy. held up by that little bit of dirt. >> some little kid was about to walk down here and die, and glen saved his life by getting the boulder out of the way.

>> turns out, glen taylor, the man you saw pushing the rock off its perch, apparently filed a disability case just a couple weeks ago. abc news is reporting taylor had been involved in a car accident that allegedly left him permanently injured, so how could he then move that rock? and is he in more legal trouble? cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney danny tuvolose is in philadelphia. if this whole disability revelation is true, does it then solidify the vandalism charges? >> this has been happening for years. people who go out and file disability claims or have personal injury cases and then they're on video throwing a baseball or playing basketball. as to the disability claim, that could be a real problem for him if it's potential fraud if she's saying he's permanently disabled. the other thing to consider is now that everyone has a phone or a video on their phone, more and more, people are creating the

entire body of evidence to be used against them by themselves. in other words, the entire body of evidence of this crime was created by the defendants or the suspects. >> they're providing it. >> if they hadn't taken the video, there would be nothing. not only are they providing it, they put it on facebook for all the world to see. now video, there couldn't be any charges. however, when it comes to defacing a monument or whatever the charges are, this is not a case where you have the lincoln memorial or something with a plaque. these are just -- one of these goblins, as they call them, these rocks many in the park. the question arises, were they aware they were defacing a monument. it's something that may not be marked and is a rock. the question becomes, are they on the hook if they pushed over a rock in the park? >> i don't know how many stories we have do, but i'm consistently surprised by what people seem to do and the videos they post for the world to see.

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28-year-old army sergeant kimberly walker had served not just one, two tours of duty overseas only to be murdered while on vacation in colorado.

her grief-stricken family just wanted to lay her to rest, is now facing this whole new heartache. it involves kimberly's headstone and a popular kid's cartoon character. our affiliate has the story. >> she loved spongebob. you know, and he went everywhere from the curtains, the shower, the bathroom, everything was spongebob. spongebob went in her casket before we laid her down in the ground. >> 28-year-old kimberly walker's murder left her family numb, wondering how something like this could happen. now, eight months later, the family says controversy over this monument of the cartoon character spongebob at kimberly's grave site in spring grove cemetery has caused them more pain. more disbelief. >> they came and said, you know, we can go ahead and do spongebob. she gave us a statement. we signed a contract. and then they started the

design. we had to put down a third of it. >> that was in march. in fact, the family ordered two spongebob monuments and over $13,000 apiece. each weighs 7,000 pounds. >> they stand 6 feet tall, and he's 4 feet wide. so when he's on a platform at eight inches so it makes him 6'8". >> on thursday, october 10th, the monuments arrived and were put in place in the cemetery, each one in a military uniform, one army for kimberly, one navy for her twin sister who is an i.t. specialist. >> i told the people there, i think this is the best monument i have ever seen and the best headstone in the cemetery. they all agreed, like it came out really nice. >> you could imagine how surprised they were when they received a call from spring grove cemetery one day after the spongebob monuments went up, saying they were not appropriate

and had to be removed. >> the next day. yeah. and like i said, you know, we had our hearts set on spongebob. >> the president of spring grove cemetery told me they feel horrible. and they are cesorry for the problems involving the monuments. in a statement he send me, it reads in part, although the family chose a design with the guidance of a spring grove employee, unfortunately, the monument didn't fit within the spring grove cemetery guidelines. we're working to find a solution at our expense that will properly memorialize kimberly in the landscape of their historic landscape and guidelines. >> what is that middle line, if there is one? >> i feel like spongebob should stay there, you know. that's where -- i mean, because we bought the plots, all six of

them. put the monuments there, we did what we had to do, and that's what we wanted. that's what the family wanted. we can also tell you that cemetery representatives and the walker family are meeting next week in hopes of reaching a solution. thank you for reporting on that. let me know how you feel. sent me a tweet. coming up, this bizarre video. you see this man hunched over, drooling, holding up traffic. wait until you see what happens when he wakes up. plus this -- >> one of eminem's new songs full of homophobic lyrics. my next guest says he's getting a free pass. don't miss this. ordinary rubs don't always work on my arthritis.

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country music star kellie pickler is crisscrossing the country, performing for fans, but it's entertaining the troops that really touches her heart. this granddaughter of a retired marine impacts her world through song. >> hey, there, i'm kellie pickler. i come from a military family. i've always a great deal of respect for our service men and women. work a lot with the uso. i love working with them, and we've been able to go and do so many tours overseas. where are my girlfriends? all right. to be in a position where you can take a piece of home to your service men and women, why would you not do that? because they need to know that we have their back because they have ours. it's the right thing do do. that's why i do it. the uso, they have been doing this for over 60 years.

you cannot compare those shows to any other show that you do. i wish i could just donate my whole time to doing the tours because i would do it in a heart beat. i love it. join the movement. impact your world and be a part of something really special. marshall mathers, slim shady, eminem, call him whatever you want, his name is synonymous with controversy. ♪ all night long ♪ all night long >> that is berserk, the first single off new album. set to come out next month. and leading up to this release, eminem has been posting a couple new songs online. the latest called "rap god." it's a six-minute song that's earned huge, huge praise from fans. but some of the critics are taking offense here. they're calling the song homophobic for anti-gay lyrics

in some of the verses. here's just a small part of what people are pretty upset about. ♪ so gay i can barely say it with a straight looking face ♪ ♪ you get a thumbs up pat on the back ♪ >> kevin fallen, reporter for "news week" and the "daily baste" joins me. it's really your whole column, saying he's getting a free pass from other reviewers. why? >> hi, brooke. thanks for having me. so, yeah, i wrote those columns saying he's getting a free pass from reviewers for using homophobic lyrics. he uses slurs in here that are used as insults, which is offensive in and of itself, and these are words that people say before they commit hate crimes, and they're words that are told to teenagers before they commit suicide. they're hurtful, dangerous words. and the fact that when the song came out and reviewers glossed

right over them and instead talked about how great it was, means that we have become accustomed to eminem using those kind of lyrics. that shouldn't be okay. >> so how does eminem feel? we know anderson cooper, he sat down with him in 2010 to explain himself. this was a clip from that. >> i felt like i was being attacked. >> like you were being singled out? >> i felt like is it because of the color of my skin, you're paying more attention? is it because -- there are certain rappers who do and say the same things i'm saying and i don't hear anyone saying anything about that. i didn't just invent saying offensive things. >> do you not like gay people? >> no, i don't have any problem with nobody. you know what i mean? i'm just whatever. >> okay, so he says i'm like whatever. to quote eminem. you point out, i love this line in your piece, this is where eminem pulls a paula deen before paula deen knew she would have to pull a paula deen. it's not his fault he says

hatefhate ful things. it's how he was raised. what do you make of the point he said, look, other rappers use lyrics like this. i didn't invent offensive things. is that fair? >> it's fair. he uses the victim excuse in the interview. and he has in the years since come out in support of gay marriage and said he's more tolerant of this thing. but the fact of the matter is the rap industry has changed over the years. where as when he was being raised and first starting to use this lyrics, it was acceptable, that's not the case anymore. now we have frank ocean who is an out bisexual. macklumore, and it shows that the industry is not going to tolerate hateful speech anymore, and the fact he keeps doing it is a problem. and he needs to change with the times, too. >> will it not tolerate it? because when you look at the album sales in the past, do you think part of this, not just endorsing same-sex marriage. he did the whole duet with elton

john at the grammy awards. do you think this is just what eminem does? this is his thing. he stokes controversy, or is this just even though you have the macklamores and frank oceans, this is just what rap is in 2013? >> eminem has been doing this for over a decade, so he knows when he uses lyrics like this what kind of reaction he's going to get. when i wrote this piece for the daily beast, a lot of people responded me asking me if i ever heard of free speech, which of course i have. he has every right to say these things and we have every right to be offended by it and tell him we're offended by it, and implore as an artist with such reach and mass appeal, to thak that position with more responsibility and stop using words luke this and perpetuate hateful speech and dangerous speech, and we really hope he starts doing that. >> kevin fallen, i appreciate you coming on. thank you wroorb. coming up, more of our breaking news out of sparks, dev

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growing list of countries furious with the nsa. the u.s. ambassador summoned to meet with french diplomats immediately. why? over this shocking allegation leaked by former security contractor edward snowden. the national security agency are accused of sweeping more than 70 million phone records in a 30-day period. >> these kind of practices between partners that violate privacy are totally unacceptable. we must quickly assure that these practices aren't repeated. so the ambassador will be received this morning at the cudorsey. >> u.s. secretary of state john

kerry is in paris today. is expected to schedule a meeting to try to smooth things over. today's allegations of nsa cross-border spying come just 24 hours after mexico demanded an explanation for snowden's revelation that the u.s. had also been accessing the e-mail of a former president of mexico, felipe calderon. now to the of the hottest videos of the day here. we call it hit play. >> in atlanta, a bizarre scene. tv cameras catch this drooling driver slumped over. his car blocking traffic. the man wakes up, drives off, and bang, smashes his car into several others and then the guy makes a break for it. running up a hill, over a fence. police still looking for the driver. >> three, two, one. ignite. >> 21 people in cleveland burning themselves into the

guinness book of world records. category, most people performing full body burns. money raised by the stunt went to a local food bank. knives, oxygen tanks, and pumpkins? these divers in the florida keys getting into the halloween spirit with a pumpkin carving contest at the bottom of the sea. >> who's in the military? >> my mom. u.s. air force. but she's in afghanistan. >> and a big surprise for this second grader. her military mom isn't overseas but steps away from a tearful reunion. >> she has no idea that i'm here. i'm just overwhelmed. i'm about to cry myself. >> i'm so happy to see you.

>> you said the 17th. >> and that's today's hit play. the obama care sign-ups, a fiasco, a disaster, a total mess. whatever you want to call it, the president himself is calling in his techkkchies and we're tag to one of our own. the question we're asking, how would you fix it? i'm brooke baldwin, the news is now. a mysterious blond girl found inside a gypsy camp. abducted or adopted? dick cheney tells cnn's sanjay gupta he feared hackers could assassinate him, but is it possible? cnn investigates. plus -- >> the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> a mom goes on national tv saying her daughter would never, ever bully. but now, new video uncovers the mom's secret.

hour two with me. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. we begin with horrific breaking news out of sparks, nevada. another deadly school shooting. i have to tell you about. we now know two people were killed today. a teacher and a student. a 13-year-old student telling members of the media that a kid somewhere between 13, 14 years of age, wearing a school uniform, fired a shot at a teacher outside, as the class stood somewhere near this basketball court. this boy saying his teacher saw the student with a gun and ran to tell him to put the weapon down, and that was when this student began firing into the teacher's chest. we heard from members of law enforcement not too long ago in this press conference confirming that the shooter appears to be a student. >> two of the injured students

have -- one has gone through surgery and is out at this time. the other individual is doing well. the one deceased is a staff member of the school. of sparks middle school. the other deceased individual at this point in time appears to be a student/suspect in this case. >> so right there, you heard the chief of police called him a student/suspect. one witnesses describing what he heard when all of this happened. >> five shots. >> what did you hear? can you describe it sdm. >> just pops. just like you hear from a distance. gunshot. >> what row was it coming from, you know? >> it sounded like from the back of the school. >> once again, the condition of the two other students who were hurt in the shooting still critical. we'll keep you updated with any developments on their conditions, the motive, and we're efforting someone from this sparks middle school to come in to talk to me here live

on cnn this hour. stay tuned for that. we also played the president. hope you saw it here live on cnn. president obama saying despite all the problems, obama care is helping americans find health insurance at a reasonable cost. as for those website failures that have hampered potential signps, the president said there is no excuse for that. what he didn't say is when he'll have it fixed. >> nobody is madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as it should, which means it's going to get fixed. and in the meantime, you can bypass the website and apply by phone or in person. >> that was the president speaking at a ceremony in the rose garden late this morning. he also said he's launched this tech surge to fix the website problems. should tell you that kathleen sebelius was in attendance.

there she was in the purple at the ceremony today as the president's health secretary, we have been reporting she is facing calls to resign over these failures connected to the program's launch. so let's talk about this. joining me from orlando is david, government columnist for the tech news website zdnet, and from new york, laurie siegel. so david, let me start with you. can you put this into perspective for me? do we have any idea how much computing power is behind this website? what can we compare it to? >> well, i think if you're talking about millions of users, which you know, what we're going to be looking at is something on the order of 150 million users eventually, you're talking about a website that's smaller in scope than the billion users that facebook handles. it's a big website with a lot of data and it's certainly complex, but it's certainly not the biggest website or infrastructure we have seen.

it may be the biggest the government has seen. >> i know once again, the question everyone wants answered, when will it be fixed? we don't know that yet. laurie siegel, we heard from jay carney, the white house spokesperson today, touting improvement improvements, said it looks different, easier navigation. what i want to know, what's with the login? i know people are having issues just logging into this thing? >> brooke, the bottom line is people are still having issues logging in. president obama, he said that there were issues, but he didn't get into the specifics of what exactly those issues were whe. i will say the one thing he said the number of people visiting aggravated underlying problems. we didn't get an idea of what the underlying problems are. i can tell you what they're doing. they're bolstering servers, adding servers and replacing virtual technology with hardware because a lot of people are

signing on to this website, trying to get on. i think he said something like 20 million people have visited. >> right, a lot of people. we know now that the president said, there's this tech surge happening. he talks about all of the creme de la creme, the top tech companies are volunteering to help with the tech issues. do you happen to know what companies are coming to the rescue and why weren't they helping in the first place? >> well, this is a government-bid project, so cgi won the bi, and you know, they're the primary contractor for the bulk of this activity. so that's really the issue. you know, you look at companies like google and facebook and microsoft and all of them have deep experience building very, very complex, very highly skilled websites, and certainly could participate in a solution. but we're looking at patching together a solution on an already launched and somewhat shaky platform. >> does it make it more difficult? >> much more difficult. >> okay, david and laurie, we

will follow your reporting as we continue watching how this thing works or not. and attorney general eric holder got an earful today for his hands-off approach to states that challenge federal marijuana prohibition. this came from a chief of police who was introduced holder at a conference in washington. >> this decision by the u.s. department of justice in our view will open the floodgates for those who want to legalize marijuana throughout the country. those who have the resources to place initiatives and referendum on state ballots, and those who continue to profit from the sale of this unlawful drug. >> thank you, chief stickler, for those almost kind words. i guess we're going to go for marriage counseling. >> almost kind. holder, we should tell you, was there to talk about something else entirely. he encouraged those chiefs, though, to adopt the new tactic, having officers confront armed gunmen rather than stand their

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health and the serious health problems he battled while in office. did you know he suffered his first heart attack at age 37? four more followed that, along with so many procedures, high-tech fixes. so now with than entirely new heart, the former vice president is opening up about his health odyssey in this new book and in this "60 minutes" interview with our own dr. sanjay gupta. cheney insisted his health did not affect his performance while at the white house. >> you were instrumental in many big decisions for the country, including going into afghanistan and iraq. >> and terror surveillance program and enhanced interrogation. >> terrorist surveillance programs, wire tapping. you had four heart attacks, three catheterizations, a defibrillator, bypass surgery. >> right. >> did you worry about your physical health impacting your judgment and cognition? >> no. >> not at all?

>> no. >> were you the best you could be? >> well, i was at good as i could be given the fact i was 60-some years old at that point and a heart patient. >> cheney didn't want to acknowledge numerous studies that show a significant connection between severe heart disease in memory loss, depression, a decline in decision making abilities and impaired cognition or he could be one of the many patients vulnerable to these side effects. did they talk at all about potential side effects again because of limited blood flow to the brain on cognition, on judgment? was that something you had heard about in any way? you didn't know about it, weren't worried about it? >> no. >> both? >> i wasn't worried about it. >> did anyone counsel you on that at all? >> not that i recall. >> what about things like depression? >> no. >> that's all he wanted to say about that. but what dick cheney was eager to talk about was his transplant. detailed iphis new book "heart."

>> when you emerge from that gift of life itself, there's this tremendous feeling of emotion. but it's very positive. i think my first words when i came out from under the an stletic and they said it worked great was hot damn. literally. >> and brooke, i want to point something out as well. you know, his doctors said he didn't know of anybody in his own practice that had had a heart attack 35 years ago and was still alive today. just goes to show you how significant vice president cheney' heart disease was. when i asked the vice president about it, he said, look, part of the reason he thinks he's alive today is any small symptom, he would immediately go to the doctor and get it checked out. in fact, he made a sort of quip about the fact that if he were in the middle of a televised vice presidential debate and started to develop symptoms, he would have left the lectern and gone to the hospital. perhaps an important message in there as well. back to you. >> thank you. i might have cornered sanjay

earlier today. he was telling me all these other tidbits about the interview. you can watch the full interview on ac 360 tomorrow, 8:00 p.m. eastern, here on cnn. and you know, there was something else that dick cheney revealed to sanjay, the fact that cheney's concern during his time in office, someone, terrorists, perhaps, might try to hack into his implanted heart pacemaker. his fear mimics the plotline for all you "homeland" fans. roll it. >> call a doctor. >> sound far fetched? actually, it's not. brian todd reported on this exact issue a few months ago. brian, you're telling me it is in the realm of possibility for hackers to take over someone's wireless medical device? >> well, there's some debate about that, brooke, whether you can actually take over the implanted defibrillator that dick cheney had or the fictional

vice president in "homeland" did. but he said he thought of that possibility years before the homeland episode when he needed to replace his implanted defibrillator which is a device that can charge and shock your heart if you go into cardiac arrest. they ordered the doctor to disable to wireless feature out of concern that hackers could get in remotely and trigger a heart attack. that was in 2007. cheney said he saw that "homeland" episode years later. here's what he said to say. >> i was aware of the danger, but i found it credible because i knew from the experience we had and the necessity for adjusting my own device that it was an accurate portrayal of what was possible. >> possible, maybe, but just how feasible? maybe not quite clear. i spoke to an expert on these

devices. she's an elect rophysiologist at medstar hard institute in washington. she's implanted thousands of these. she said most if not all have to have wireless capability to allow data to be retrieved from the device while you're at home to make sure it's working properly. she said that's a one way communication while you're at home and it can't be programmed remotely, at least from a distance. to change a setting, you have to do that at the hospital in person. you do that by holding a wand over the device. the wand is attached to a programming machine in the hospital. she says you cannot program it from more than about ten feet away. maybe not impossible, brooke, but she says at least you've got to get close to it to do that. you can't do it from like a mile away or even 50 feet away, incr behind some of it. thank you. coming up next, shocking new video of a jets fan throwing a punch at a woman. my next guest says this is just

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it's tough to watch, but unfortunately it's not the first time we have seen something like this happen. a sports fan in this case, a new york jets fan, goes after a fan of the other team, a woman, who was cheering for new england patriots during yesterday's game in new york. come on, man. i mean, it's tough to watch. a woman? but from everything we have been reporting the last couple years, this may not be so unusual. richard, let me bring you into the conversation. you're a psychologist. you spent a lot of time studying

fan behavior. someone reminded me today, remember, fan is short for fanatic. we have seen the fights in the stands. we have seen fans being attacked outside stadiums, but it seems like this is happening more and more and more. is this alcohol, what is this? >> i think it's a combination of things. i think people have great difficulty holding and containing in emotions they feel are intolerable. so we see it all across society. we see it in our road rage. we see it in regular interactions on the streets. and so when you get 72,000 people together, it's much more likely to happen. >> so what is it, though, what is happening now in our society for us not to be able to control ourselves? >> i think -- >> an interesting thought. >> thank you. i think that it has to do with the fact that people have intense emotions that they're unable to keep inside of themselves. so they need to discharge them immediately. they can't hold them back. so ultimately, you're seeing

these kind of interactions that we see on the streets and in the supermarkets between people crossing the streets, those angers and frustrations immediately come out. as you suggested, when you have alcohol involved and the heightened stimuli of the game, it only increases the opportunity for that to happen. >> i mean, i can appreciate a good jets/pats rivalry, but come on, folks. self control. richard, thank you very much. an influential football pioneer died today. bud adams jr. was the founder and owner of the tennessee titans franchise. he owned the team for more than 53 years since its founding as the houston oilers. the titans reached the super bowl back in 2000. he also cofounded the american football league. adams was 90 years old. and now to this horror unfolding in southeastern australia. look at this. the pictures tell the story here. soaring temperatures, hot winds.

they're fanning these brushfires. walls of fire gaining intensity, both nort and east of sydney. the fear right now, a mega fire. several uncontained fire fronts threatening to merge all together. firefighters from the rural fire service in the state of new south wales battling fire after fire as all of new south wales is now under this 30-day state of emergency. and what we're about to show you here, this puts the story in focus. the perspective here of a firefighter. this is something so rarely seen. it's incredible. but it's also terrifying. >> hold it. pull back.

>> you heard toward the end some coughing there. exhausted after that battle, and then this photo. this really sums up what these men and women are enduring after more than five days of relentless firefighting. already, australia's brushfires have eaten through an area roughly the size of new york city. and things are expected to get a whole lot worse. back in washington today, the president spoke at the white house about the failures of the obama care website. congressional hearings this week could take a close look at this entire fiasco. will someone lose their job? and how does this impact the president politically? we'll talk to wolf blitzer.

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two words here, no excuses. that's what president obama had to say about the rocky rollout of the obama care website. the president speaking in the rose garden late this morning. addressed his own concerns over website login difficult as and the long waits and several other issues that has plagued this website in recent weeks. much of the blame is in the direction of this woman, his secretary of health and human services, kathleen sebelius, front and center today at this ceremony. she was the one responsible for overseeing the site's debut, and later this week, congressional hearing s will take place, tryig to figure out what went wrong. question is, will kathleen sebelius testify at the hearings? >> she has said she is not able

to attend, but she's been up there dozens of times to testify. this is something that was called with relatively short notice, but i believe the committee and hhs is trying to work something out to have an appropriate representative there. >> i want to bring in wolf blitzer. that was your interview earlier today. so we heard her say not able to attend. do you think kathleen sebelius won't be at those hearings. >> she probably won't be there on thursday, but her aides are suggesting she could testify next week, maybe as early as next week. at some point, she'll have to go up there. there's a legitimate oversight committee that has to get to the bottom of what happened. hundreds of millions of dollars were spent to create a website which the president himself has said does not work. they want to make smur it doesn't happen again and get to the bottom of. do republicans want to score political point because they

hate obama care? obviously. a lot of them do, but they have responsibilities and it's the responsibility of the executive branch to cooperate with the legislative branches when their are legitimate oversight committee hear ings that have t take place. she's probably not ready to appear this week because they don't have the answers. if you ask who screwed up, why did it turn out so bad? it was supposed to be ready for months leading up to october 1st, i don't think they have the answers yet and they're reluctant to testify. >> what do you make -- we have been following what has been happening in washington in recent issues and the issues republicans have with obama care. that's old news, and then you juxtapose it with the issues with the website troubles. what really is the story here? is it both? >> the website or what? >> just the issues with obama care? >> they don't like obama care. and obviously, the rollout of the website has only fueled that anger that this thing wasn't

ready to roll out on october 1st. now, the website was clearly not ready. other aspects of the program, as the president himself said, they have been working. for example, young people 26 and under, they can still remain on their parents health insurance programs. that's one of the features of obama care. that has moved along smoothly. a lot of young people are still getting health insurance because they're eligible to remain on their parents' program. that has worked out, and other aspects of it unrelated to the website have worked out. what they were hoping for is millions and millions of people would sign up over the six months between now and the end of march so that especially young people, healthier people, people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s who probably are healthy, don't need a lot of health care, they would pay into the system, and as a result, others who do need help, who have pre-existing conditions or are sick or older, poorer, they would be subsidized by the younger people. if younger people aren't going in there and purchasing the

insurance, then the system is going to fail because it simply wasn't designed to work if only the people who really needed it would get it and everyone else -- not everyone else, but a lot of people who should be on it weren't paying into it. >> wolf, i know you're tackling this on "the situation room." as also, we tune in, 5:00 p.m. eastern, to see more of wolf blitzer. thank you, wolf. now to this story. first her stepdaughter gets arrested for allegedly bullying a girl to death. now this florida woman faces her own criminal charges after a video surfaces of her beating someone up as well. the polk county sheriff says vivian vosburg, seen in a facebook video hitting a teenage boy over and over. so we have a piece of the video for you. just a heads up, it's disturbing to watch. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. what is wrong with you? >> in the video, vosburg is

apparently screaming, you heard the bleeps, cursing as well, at this boy. why? apparently because he had just kicked another teenager in the groin. her arrest is not related to the case of her daughter, one of two minors charged with aggravated stalking after 12-year-old rebecca sedwick committed suicide. the alleged victim of cyberbullying. the sheriff here says the video shows, quote, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> the fight was over, and all the other kids were screaming and cussing and high fiving. she gave kind of an editorial comment, and then they posted all of that on facebook. and she tells us her daughter would never bully? well, we saw the real truth. we're investigating the bullying case, and as you know, we made the arrest on the two juveniles, 14 and 12, for stalking. well, interviews by national networks of vivian where she was

there saying, oh, my daughter would never stalk. she would never, ever do this. we watch her facebook, and immediately, people from throughout the community were texting and calling and facebooking my staff saying, oh, yeah? if you think that's right, go look at this page. so because of the national media coverage, our detectives looked. we saw the horrendous coverage. my detectives immediately acted on that, and we put her in jail. she's still in jail today under $300,000 bond after appearing before a judge. >> the sheriff of polk county talking to chris cuomo this morning. wendy walsh, as a psychologist, as a mom, what was your first reaction when you saw the video? >> well, i know a lot about aggression and conflict, and i know every human being, brooke, comes into the world with a naturally evolved fight or

flight complex. we teach skills and empathy. maybe what this family needs is a lot of parental education. my suspicion, that this mom herself was probably abused as a child as well. if you hit children, all it does is teaches them how to hit. >> so from what you're saying, it sounds lm like this learned behavior that's passed on perhaps from one mother to her child and then to her child. how do you stop that behavior? >> wiell, obviously, you have t intervene in at least one generation. this mom, the stepmom is only 30. there's a chance she can learn new parenting skills. certainly, the teenagers involved can learn different ways to deal with their emotions. when i hear people talk about online aggression, online bullying, the only thing different between the bullying from the olden days and the bullying today is there's a new tool. but the feelings are the same.

the anger and aggression, and they tend to be learned at home or maybe better worded, not unlearned in a way that good parenting can do for a human being. >> and as we talk about the aggressors here, i feel like sometimes lost in the stories are the victims. not all of these young people choose to take their own lives. so just as parents are watching, you know, if they have a son or daughter who's being tormented and tortures, how do you teach your child that suicide is not the only option? >> well, let's remember that every teen with depression does not commit suicide. so just because a teen is depressed doesn't mean they're on the road to suicide, although i will say that more and more parents do need to get active in their children's mental health. they need to reach out for the services that their kid needs. secondly, if you do have a child who does suffer from depression, i would not let them anywhere near a keyboard and a screen. i mean, that's like saying -- >> that could be tough. >> i'm going to leave a medicine cabinet full of pills or a gun

on the counter while they're depressed. you want to be more protective of the sensitive child, and the other thing to keep in mind is every child is different in their level of sensitivity to this kind of stuff. having one blanket way to parent everybody is not really the best idea. it's about understanding each individual kid and the ual, be their facebook friend, be their twitter follower. watch what's happening online. >> look at everything. >> yeah,on't particite in it because then you might create social suicide for the kids, but watch, see what's going on. >> okay, wendy walsh, good advice. thank you. coming up, duty to child versus duty to your community. a missouri mother said she's never even had a speeding ticket and now she's facing contempt of court charges. she brought her baby to jury duty, and what she did next had that judge scolding her. we're on that case, next. mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971. afghanistan in 2009. on the u.s.s. saratoga in 1982. [ male announcer ] once it's earned,

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a missouri mom has been charged with contempt of court because she brought her baby to jury duty so she could breast feet him. she faced a fine up to $500 if she's found guilty. the judge in the case ordered her to find a babysitter during jury selection. but she protested. she said the court gave her two options. >> i would be able to pump on breaks. unfortunately, he doesn't take a bottle so that's not an option for us. the other option was to -- oop -- to have someone stay with me all day and then be able to nurse on breaks.

but since i'm a stay-at-home mom, we don't have child care. >> so who's right here? is the judge being unreasonable? on the case with us here, cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, danny, and lisa bloom. good to see both of you. lisa bloom, i'm starting with you. something i guess i haven't had to deal with, but do courts -- a lot of people are parents when they have to do this whole jury duty thing. are there not special arrangements or concessions for breast feeding moms? >> this ruling is so anti-baby and anti-mother, it's shocking. in 12 states, breast feeding moms get a pass on jury duty. apparently, missouri isn't one of them. what are her options. number one, leave the baby home and go to court. >> no. >> number two, don't show up for jury duty even though you have been required to. that's not an option. she brings the baby with her to court. what this judge doesn't get is

that a lot of us can't just snap our fingers and have a babysitter magically appear, and a lot of people also can't afford a babysitter. i think this is breathtakingly ignorant of the realities of what life is like for stay-at-home moms. >> danny, are you with lisa on this one? >> well, it is true. courts have been a little slow to recognize breast feeding. in fact, it wasn't too long ago, courts have held that breast feeding isn't even a condition of pregnancy under the pregnancy discrimination act. they have been slow to understand and accept breast feeding. when it comes to jury duty, the courts have a compelling duty about getting people in who are not fibbing about why they have an undue heartship. it seems unfair she would show up to jury duty for a legitimate reason and they're trying to hail her in front of a judge to explain why when in the meantime, there are people who blow off jury duty completely or

they use means to get out of it that aren't fair to the system. for example, claiming they always believe police officers or they rarely believe anyone accused of a crime is innocent. those are ways to cheat the system and get yourself out. it seems we should be rewarding those who come in and have reasons that are clearly legitimate, and it is true, some states have figured it out and gotten laws on the books, but there are many states that address this in a patchwork way. there probably needs to be a little more uniformity. >> thank you both very much. >> i just got word from the control room. we'll be talking to the chief of police out of sparks, nevada, have we have had a fatal middle school shooting today. a tragic day for folks within law enforcement. school officials here, what happened? who was this student/suspect? next.

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back to our breaking story we brought you at the top of both hours as we have been reporting on this fatal middle school shooting in sparks, nevada. two dead, two injured. chief of police mike meiris is on the phone with me right now. chi chief, first, i am sorry for the tragic events yet again we are reporting on a school shooting. can you just start from the very beginning, tell me what happened early this morning. >> approximately about 7:20 this morning, 7:15 to 7:20, the local

law enforcement agency and our police department started receiving 911 calls from one of our local middle schools which is sparks middle school, and officers responded from multiple agencies, from renop.d., sparks p.d., our fire department responded and upon arrival, there was two students that were injured and there was a staff member that is deceased and also, the suspect is deceased as well, upon our arrival. >> from what i understand, this is according to the reno gazette journal from this eyewitness, it was the student who was the suspect, this happened near the basketball court, this student suspect was wearing the sparks middle school uniform, approached this teacher who then tried approaching the student to tell him to put the weapon down. what can you tell me about that moment? >> you know, all that is still

at this point still under investigation. we started interviewing any witnesses to the incident, so all that and everything is still under investigation and i cannot disclose anything at this time. >> can you give me an update on the two students who were injured? were they hit by the bullets? >> the one student was struck in the shoulder area. he is in stable condition. the other student was struck in the stomach area. he is still in critical condition. >> was this student suspect who is now deceased, was he saying anything? was he speaking to this teacher? can you share that? >> again, at this time, we don't have all that information. it will take us awhile, sparks

police department is doing the primary investigation and through that process, we are interviewing many, many kids. that's going to take us a little bit. >> chief, i appreciate you. i know you have a busy, busy day ahead of you. thank you so much for calling in. again, i'm so sorry for what happened. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> jake tapper will be all over this at the top of the hour on "the lead." coming up next, a female suicide bomber taking out a bus today. whole thing caught on video. we are getting new details. no matter how busy your morning you can always do something better for yourself.

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a woman blowing herself up on a bus in southern russia today and the whole thing was caught on this dash cam video. you see it right here. this horrible moment, the explosion rips through this bus.

people running moments after the woman detonated the bomb. i can tell you that at least six people were killed, more than 30 others were hurt. many of them critically. while we don't know yet the motive of this woman, she is believed to be from the same region where the boston bombers once lived. one russian political analyst says it's likely a quote, test shot, four months before russia hosts the winter olympics. all this intrigue today around this little girl called maria seems to grow day by day by day. today this lawyer for the couple arrested for allegedly adopting her says this blond girl belongs to them, just not through a traditional adoption. police think maria is about 4 or 5 years of age and we have video of her here when she was clearly much, much younger. authorities noticed maria living thursday among this community of gypsies in greece known as roma. dna shows that this man and woman now in custody cannot be

maria's biological parents. cnn's erin mcloughlin reports the couple says they are expecting maria's birth mother to help clear their name. erin? >> reporter: brooke, this is the couple charged with kidnapping the little girl known only as maria. police have identified them as 39-year-old cristo salis and police were carrying out a surveillance of the encampment when they noticed the little girl. her blond hair and blue eyes were striking. she looked nothing like the couple claiming to be her parents. people within the community released this home video they say shows the family in happier times. the woman dances with maria and today, community members gathered outside the courthouse. they say they are outraged at the charges of abduction and falsifying documents. their lawyer has admitted the

couple illegally adopted maria but says there was no kidnapping involved. >> the claim is we never abduct this child, we just adopted. we are in the middle of investigation, private investigation. we are in the middle of investigation. we hope that tonight or tomorrow, we'll find the mother. >> reporter: the couple are being remanded in custody. police say they have changed their story many times and questions are swirling around the identity of the couple's other children. the ages of six of them are within ten months of each other. brooke? >> thank you. just in to cnn, singer cee-lo green charged with slipping ecstasy to a woman he was apparently dining with in

l.a. last year. the two then went back to the singer's hotel. prosecutors did not file a charge of rape of an intoxicated person, citing insufficient evidence. we can tell you that cee-lo green expected to be arraigned very soon. see you back here this time tomorrow. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. it happens all too often. yet the news still sends chills down your spine every time. a nevada middle school is now the scene of this country's latest deadly school shooting. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the national lead. parents had just dropped their children off for the day only to learn moments later of the chaos that erupted at their school. a student allegedly aims his gun at classmates before killing a member of the staff at the school, and then himself. also in national news, president obama and the gop finally find some common ground. they both think the obama care website, healthcare.gov, isn't good enough but the president warns not to throw the baby out