>> that's it for us tonight. "ac360 later" starts right now. hi everybody, welcome to "ac360 later" a lot to talk about tonight. the debacle of a website that has been a mess since day one. the president says he is madder than anyone about that. also will there be long term damage after the government shutdown showdown. we have to begin with breaking news on the middle school shooting in nevada where a student opened fire and killed a math teacher. i spoke with his brother reggie tonight. what do you want people to me about your brother? >> just to know that he loved teaching at sparks middle school. he loved the kids. he loved coaching them and teaching them. he was just a good all around individual.

>> everybody says that so many of the kids loved him and loved being in his class. he also had served overseas in the military, correct? >> yes. yes, sir. he was in the marine corps. and recently he was in the national guard. >> have you been told by police any more about what happened? >> i called a few of my friends who are in law enforcement just trying to get some information and i finally -- i got a number to a gentleman who was on the scene there. and he was the one who initially told me that michael didn't make it. >> as you know, witnesses say that he tried to reason with the shooter before he was killed. does that sound like something that he would do? >> yes, sir, yeah. i mean, growing up -- our dad was in the marine corps for 22

years. so it was -- to me, that was the kind of person that michael was. and he would do -- he was the kind of person if someone needed help he'd be there. >> with me, andrew sullivan, gloria borger, sunny hostin and stephanie elam joins us with the latest from sparks, nevada. is there any idea of motive behind this? >> there isn't at this point, anderson. it's not clear whether or not this student shooter who was just 13 years old was targeting this teacher or the other students that he shot, the two 12-years-old. one is in fair condition and one in serious condition. one shot in the arm and one in the abdomen. not clear why he would have gone out and done. this we did hear from other

classmates saying he was a nice kid and had seen him bullied before. but we don't know if that is what drove him to violence. >> one student said she had him in a class and had problems with the teacher in that class. we don't know the details on this. the weapon, i understand he got it from his parents? >> that's what we're hearing. it's a family weapon. they have not said anything else about it. it was a handgun of some sort. but how he got it is unclear at this point. >> thanks very much. you know, it's the kind of thing that it doesn't even make huge headlines when something like this happens. >> but it doesn't make sense. a 13-year-old possessing a weapon at a school. what sounds right about that? when i first heard about this the first thing i do is go to the law books. nevada has such permissive gun

laws. at the age of 14 a kid can possess a gun with parental permission. >> but it sounds like he took the gun from his parents. >> why was it available? >> gun safety is a huge issue. >> it's a big issue. perhaps there's a mental health issue. we don't know about it. when does it stop? are we going to continue to talk about shootings at schools. >> do you write a lot about this? >> not really. because it depresses me every time i try to write about it. it's going to happen. when you have a country with lots of gouns and you have 13-years-old who have a lot of feelings. you have grudges and feelings. but you don't have to be mentally unwell to have an axe to grind. but if you have a country with all these guns this is going to happen. and somehow we are supposed to say this isn't going to happen

and it's terribly sad. you see a man who comes from a marine family and served his country and gunned down by a 13-year-old. it's awful. but at some point americans have to accept this is reality in a gun-loving country. >> and there's nothing you can do about it in washington. if they didn't do anything about it after new town when are they going to do something about it? what we discovered in the newtown debate it's easy to say it's republicans. it wasn't. there are lots of democratic senators who are up for re-election in pro-gun states. and they had much difficulty with this issue as anybody else. and that was probably one of the most frustrating parts to the president. >> i don't want you to misunderstand me. i understand the second amendment and if we don't get rid of it it should be upheld and i don't have a problem with the law being as it is as long as we accept the congress

questio -- consequences of our freedom. >> i can't accept that. >> let me bring in mark kelly, husband of gabby giffords. mark, another shooting. when you see this, is change possible? is -- have you been able to see any results from the work you and your wife have been going so far? >> well, anderson, change is always possible. but for the past 30 years you have to give the gun lobby a lot of credit. they have an enormous amount of influence on capitol hill. that makes it very difficult for us even after newtown to get something as common sense as expanded background checks passed. but i truly believe we can do something about it. it's just going to take a little bit of time. you know, things in washington, as we can see move very slowly.

but if people get engaged and i really believe that a lot of people care about this issue and they don't want us to stay where we are with regards to gun violence which is 15 to 20 times the death rate from guns than any other country we would want to be compared to. we can do something about it but it's a matter of people standing up and asking that their members of congress take action. >> you had democrats and republicans last time joining together on a -- what seemed like a decent compromise to a lot of people and it still -- it still couldn't get anywhere. even with you lobbying. >> it wasn't quite -- it wasn't quite enough. but it was close. i mean, we fell short by a handful of votes on the mansion to me bill and next time it comes up maybe it will be different. people are getting tired of this. think about what has happened since newtown. it seems to be a regular

occurrence. and anderson mentioned that maybe people aren't paying attention to things like this but i think they do. and they see this and make phone calls. i think we will see this at the ballot box. >> hasn't what we've seen so far that a lot of poem say we would like to see change the level of intensity of feeling is not as strong in the general public as it is in those who want to keep the gun laws where they are or expand them. >> you are absolutely right. anderson, you are absolutely right. that's part of the issue. it's the intensity of the single-issue voter. the gun rights people -- gabby and i are gun owners. we understand that people want to have guns to protect themselves. i have guns in my house. they are locked up. in this case it doesn't seem like these parents did a good job of securing their guns.

but the intensity of the voter that votes on this issue it's lopsided. >> isn't that something we could ask of the gun lobby more. can we get real gun safety? >> but they do a lot of -- i mean, mark correct me if i'm wrong but the little -- i mean, i read nra literature they talk about gun safety, how to scoecu your weapon in your home. >> the nra does a better job than anybody. >> people who don't have that and have guns need to be stigmatized. >> this comes down to parental responsibility in this case. but what's fascinating to me about nevada you don't have to register your gun in nevada and if you have just regular citizens that want to transfer guns to each other they don't

have to register their guns. isn't there something to be done on local levels to tighten up the laws in places like nevada? >> well, you know, i spent time at the nevada state legislature before they voted on a bill that expanded background chicks, and it got through the house and it got through the nevada senate or the house is the assembly there and it went to the governor's desk and was vetoed. but you know, there are members of the legislature in nevada and citizens in nevada and these things poll really high. so i mean, it can get passed in nevada. it fell short this time. i'm sure it's going to be -- it's going to come back again especially in light of this horrific shooting. >> mark, thanks for being with us. follow me on twitter #ac360. later, the obama care sign

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. welcome back to the program. breaking news tonight about the mess that is healthcare.gov. it crashed during a simulation with just a few hundred people. the launch went on as scheduled and it has been riddled with

problems. the white house is not saying how many people have been able to sign up. but the president made it clear he is well aware of the problem. >> the problem has been that the website that's supposed to make it easy to apply for and purchase the insurance is not working the way it should for everybody. and there's no sugar coating it. the website has been too slow. people have been getting stuck during the application process and i think it's fair to say that known is more frustrated by that than i am. >> gloria borger joining us and matt kibbe of freedom works. you are opposed to obama care in all its forms. do you, is the website a surprise that it's not working? >> i'm actually shocked that it's so dysfunctional. it's like a caricature we would have designed to prove how bad it would be.

andth not just a small case of a failure but a fundamental case of failure. there is an interesting report from the sunlight foundation that looks a it the contractors. >> many contractors. >> many contractors. >> who brought us ed snowden. >> all this fabulous stuff and there is a lot of political continue buyings. millions of dollars of lobbying. and i would argue what has happened with this website is what we're afraid to happen when the government gets involved in the health care -- >> but that's an extrapolation. to jump from, you know, a problem with the website to the policy. >> it's not a problem with the website. it's a functional corruption. >> i think there is right now a problem with the website. that's a real thing. whether or not there is lobbying and washington that's not a surprise to anyone. that happens in every way. i think -- but the idea that -- that obama care will eventually -- history be judged

on the working of a website and not of a policy is a jump you can't make. >> this doesn't give you pause there is something larger here? >> i just don't connect those two as strongly as i hear some people doing. and i think that looking at a tech issue as opposed to a policy issue are just two completely different things. >> the tech issue is opening the door. and you get to the policy issue and talk to people about whether their premiums are higher or lower. the problem for me for the president. he gave a speech after the shutdown was over extolling the virtues of government which we all saw when the government was closed. we saw that government was important and can function when you need it to. and then you have this massive epic fail of the website and suddenly it looks like government can't do anything right, feeding people who don't

want obama care. >> do you think that obama was contrite enough today? >> no. >> no. i want to hear him say i screwed this up. >> no politician says i'm sorry. >> he apologized before. that was part of his shtick. he would say i'm sorry, i got that wrong. and he should have said that more forthrightly. i think there is a tech issue, obviously, which is separate from the policy issue. but i think there's a managerial issue here. what i'm angry at president obama about is the fact that it seems many people knew that this thing was not going to go well. and they didn't tell their bosses. they didn't have the kind of managerial expertise to tell the people who needed to know. >> that's -- >> it's management. >> and he's responsible for it.

and no one has been held accountable for it. >> the way it was designed with the contractors some who were responsible for the back end and some for the front end there was no one person responsible for the overall user experience from front end to back end which is ludicrous. >> there are -- that's the command. we did not see a contrite president. we should have. and we did not see any accountability. we need someone to be fired. >> i think you're going too far. i think that he was saying that nobody is more upset than me. >> that's not the same thing. >> and -- i didn't say it's the same thing. you said there's no accountability. that's not true. it's wrong. he did take some responsibility for that. whether they will get rid of somebody -- i'm sorry. he did take responsibility for it. that's just the way it is. >> saying no one is madder than

me, suggesting he is a bystander. i would -- >> what do you want him to do? >> i want him to say i found out what went wrong and fired this person. >> that's what i just said. whether or not that -- >> i mean -- >> that's a different thing. >> from your standpoint, obviously from -- >> thank you. >> from the work you do, do you hope -- what do you hope people see in the next month or two? there are those w40 say, why don't people in the tea party, conservatives allow it to roll out and just let it fail and let people come around to your point of view. >> i think what they proved is that government can't do complicated things and once you create this complicated infrastructure -- >> the irs is not a complicated thing? >> how well does that work? >> when i heard this president say this half apology it reminded me the apology for the

irs targeting of grass roots citizens. the fact is that there is always interest to get to the table before americans to get health insurance and there is pharmaceutical interests and all these people that have juice in washington that we don't have -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> how do you manage to insure a country without a complex system and without having those interests? >> all those systems are complex. >> you don't propose anything? everybody should be hundred thr. >> you want simple rules and transparency. >> but you are opposed to covering people with preexisting conditions? >> no. i think you should get rid of the biases that create third parties.

our system right now -- >> you don't favor it being a law that people with preexisting conditions can get insurance you can afford. >> you are driving up everybody's health care costs. >> you don't support that. you believe that people with preexisting conditions need to fight on their own for their own survival? >> no. i think that you need to get the middlemen out of the process so that people -- i happen to have a preexisting condition. people have to have more control so their employer or government can't take at way from them. >> i'm sorry. i want to understand the answer to this question. do you support people with preexisting conditions getting affordable health insurance? >> yes, i do. >> you do? >> but you have to understand that if the government is going to get involved after the fact, you're going to have all sorts of folks gaming the system and not getting insured until the

moment they need it. >> that's the criticism made of those who oppose obama care. what are you proposaling? >> if we change the tax code so there is not a bias, you would make it easier for people to afford better insurance. they could save for themselves. i think they should save in pre-tax dollars and young people should buy catastrophic plans so when they do get sick -- >> if they lost a job and applied again under those rules they couldn't get one again. >> that's my point. i don't want you to get from the your employer but control it individually. >> you keep shifting this. the point is that a free system means that people will not get health care. and those with preexisting conditions are going to have a hard time getting insurance policies and you propose nothing

to solve that. the one thing in defense of obama care is it gives people a chance. people like you and me with preexisting conditions, to know that we have some kind of baseline security. >> if i were the -- >> why is that the worst thing ever to happen to america? >> i don't think it is. >> that's what you have been saying for the last several weeks. you want to shut down the global economy to stop this. you felt strongly about it recently. >> i think it will be a disaster for people who need health care as this goes on. i think that is true. >> you think our current system is a great thing? >> no. the current system is broken. >> why do you think it's going to be a disaster. i'm struggling to figure out this rationale. what -- how are you judging it's going to be an absolute disaster for america? can you explain it to me in two

sentences? >> sure. in the first ten years of medicare, costs exceeded projections by 700%. when you have those cost projections you ration care. they are going to start squeezing providers and tell you you have to get in line. >> you are saying that medicare itself is -- >> i'm saying that the government doesn't do a good job reining in costs. i think the website proves that. >> but health care costs have gone down. >> i believe that private businesses are more efficient than the government but health care is the great exception to this rule. it's much less efficient than medicare. so why do you count the private system as success. >> isn't the private system doing the same thing, rationing care about deciding what kind of

care people get. the private system does that now. it tells you what is going to be covered and not covered and it seems arbitrary. >> it is. there are all sorts of co pays that corrupt. if medicaid and medicare and blue cross is reimbursing they are all paying a different price. >> you are saying you would take the corruption out of it. >> it's corrupted by all of the rules and all of the buyers. the government today, primarily through medicare and medicaid is the primary buyer of health insurance. >> there is no evidence that obama care is a failure. but for -- >> that's what i'm saying. >> but you hear this drum beat saying it's a failure and we are protecting america from this failure. that is simply not the case. >> but the president should have said that more strongly and said i feel for the people who have preexisting conditions who need to log on to that website

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times. are you surprised by what is happening? >> i'm surprised it's so public. i'm surprised john mccain goes to the floor and calls people whacko birds. >> you're surprised by that. >> let me show you what john mccain said. this is john mccain talking about the damage to the republican party. >> what does this do to the republican party brand, then? >> well it's hurt. the point is, that what we need to do, move forward with immigration reform, get a positive agenda for america, continue the fight against obama care, get taxes down. address this whole issue of sequestration which is devastating the military. there are so many things we can do on a positive agenda and get off this, keep up the fight against obama care but don't shut down the government and have see much collateral damage.

>> there he is, the voice of reason. >> the voice of reason. who i must say put sarah palin on his own national ticket. >> that's the irony. >> the idea he is posturing that he is a resistor when he enabled it and put one of the craziest and least informed people on the ticket. he owns it. >> creating sarah palin who begat ted cruz if you will in a way. >> official. >> sorry. and now circling back there is john mccain on the floor of the senate calling them whacko birds. >> your interpretation of what happened in washington, the "hell-no" caucus were betrayed by moderate republicans who weren't willing to stand all the with them and that's what caused the ultimate showdown.

>> i was taken by surprise by how quickly mccain and his colleagues started shooting at senator lee and senator cruz. but there is a bigger story going on. the democratic party went through this when barack obama beat hillary clinton. the republican party is going through a paradigm shift when the old bulls are being replaced by a decentralized democratized and chaotic system where activists have opinions and more impact and ted cruz and mike lee and rand paul and some of these other young guns represent that new generation. >> but wouldn't you argue that what they did was so ultimately cynical. they knew in advance they didn't have a chance of winning. i mean, cruz after the house fought its fight said, you know, this isn't going to go anywhere in the senate and he got attacked by all the republicans in the house who had just gone

over a cliff for them. and he had to back off and said i have to lead this fight. >> the cynicism is broader than that. it has completely taken over the party. now the party just is an opposition party. that is the whole premise of the party is to stop things. the idea of thought leaders being members of the congress on the republican side an people having agendas that are progressive. john mccain was making a good point. you is to be for something not just against something. you have all these young republican members of congress and all they are there for they have run on the idea of just go stop them from doing things. >> that's not true. senator lee, one of the first thing he did was draft a budget amendment that brought everyone together. marco rubio, they have all

introduced bills to fix problems. >> but they used to say replace obama care if you were going to replace it it's with what? then it is defund obama care. >> the first thing that mccain suggests they go forward with is immigration reform. that's another war. there is not a single policy, really that they can agree on without engaging in warfare. in order to win the next election they have to fix their image with latino and hispanic americans. but they are trying to prevent anything from happening. don't you get an impression as an average joe that the republicans are just -- first of all they're not a nice party. they seem to be angry. and second they are against everything. they seem to be opposed to

everything. >> you would argue they are for fiscal responsibility. >> they are for fiscal responsibility. they have drafted and passed and voted on all sorts of legislation in the house that solves problems. >> the republicans have to pick between debt -- what they hate most, the debt or the government. at some point this government is not going to be shrunk into a bathtub. with the boomers retiring it will have to be a tiny bit bigger and at that level we're in debt. the solution is to cut the spending and raise revenues. that's the only deal you're going to get with democrats. >> of course we raised a lot of revenues. >> we didn't. we raised a teeny bit. >> i would like to go back. there were two examples where the conventional wisdom said we just can't do this. one was the sequester and the other was extending the bush tax rates after the 2010 election. nancy pelosi and harry reid

extended the bush tax rates. what we set out to do was change the national conversation. we keep increasing the debt. >> and you helped it. >> no, we did. >> by refusing to do a deal now because every year that goes by it gets worse. by refusing to do a deal and giving something -- anything to the democrats, they are making the debt crisis worse. and the debt crisis began under ronald reagan and exploded under bush and the recession that he bequeathed us. >> and you sound a tea partier. >> i was a tea party when the rest were supporting bush. you can't now turn around and be more purest than thou about this. >> do you think the shutdown goes away and people just --

>> i think a number of democrats will be saying what ted cruz was saying about how obama care is not ready for primetime and the guys that tried to do something about it are going to reap that political reward for trying to do something. everybody in washington, d.c. is -- understands that this system is dysfunctional. everybody in america is pissed off at washington. >> they are more pissed off against republicans. >> we'll have to take a break. coming up. sanj sanjay gupta joins us and talks about his interview with former vice president dick cheney. [ male announcer ] this is brad.

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welcome back. dr. sanjay gupta's interview with former vice president dick cheney aired last night. sanjay pressed him on whether his decades of heart disease affected his ability to do his job. listen. >> you were instrumental in many big decisions for the country, including going into afghanistan and iraq. >> and terror surveillance program and enhanced interrogation. >> wiretapping.

enhanced interrogation. you had four heart attacks, three catterizations at this point. a defibrillator, bypass surgery. >> right. >> did you worry about your physical health impacting your judgment, your cognition? >> no. >> not at all? >> no. >> were you the best that you could be? >> well, i was as good as i could be given the fact that i was 60-some years old and a party patient. >> he didn't want to acknowledge studies that show a connection between a severe heart disease and memory loss, depression, a decline in decision-making abilities and impaired cognition or that he could be one of the many patients vulnerable to these side effects. >> they talk about the side effects because of limited blood flow to the broken on cognition and judgment. is that something you had heard about in any way? you didn't know about it and wasn't worried about it.

>> i wasn't worried about it? >> did anyone counsel you on it? >> not that i recall. >> what about depression? >> no. >> that's all he wanted to say about that. but what he wanted to talk about was his transplant. >> when you emerge from that gift of life, itself, there's this tremendous feeling of emotion. but it's very positive. i think my first words when i came out from the anesthetic were "hot damn" literally. >> it's interesting, sanjay to hear about the potential impact that the potential impact it has on decision making. >> especially after bypass surgery. there is data around that.

oftentimes this operation and i talked to former president clinton about this stuff. the heart is stopped for a period of time. there are data looking at people months out and years out. curious what he had heard, what he had been counselled about and how it affected him. >> he is good about the one-word answers. >> too good. >> what about all the medication he might have been on, beta blockers. can't that affect judgment, mood? >> yeah, i mean, certainly. and that was something we talked about as well. but i will tell you, to your point, i mean, he really did give sort of very terse answers to that. he does not believe that any of those health problems, the surgery, the heart attacks, you saw the list of things, affected his job and he didn't think his job, a stressful one and more stressful at times than others and didn't affect his health, he

felt they were separate. >> do you believe that? >> i think it's very hard. it would put him in the minority. it's interesting in terms of the job affecting the health. i hear this from a lot of people i interviewed who said not only did the stress not affect my heart if i wasn't working, i would have been worse. i thrive under stress. i heard the same from vice president cheney. >> what do you think his legacy is going to be? you are critical of him. >> this is a man who made some of the worst decisions in american history. which you can forgive. people make mistakes. >> and this is someone who supported the war any rack initially. >> yes. i made a mistake. >> did you support dick cheney initially? >> yes. i don't have any reason to think he is not a lovely person.

and everyone makes mistakes. and deciding that the united states is going to take human beings and torture them and in many cases to death and say it's a no brainer when those are war crimes, the most serious crimes imaginable that he committed, strikes me as disturbing and i think his legacy will be as the -- the vice president who brought torture into american government and helped enable it throughout the world. >> you think it was him who brought that in? >> absolutely. he said so himself. he is adamant about him. his embrace of torture and making jokes about waterboarding a couple weeks ago. >> when you go to the friday in pham fenn, it was described as a torture device. >> no one ever in the history of

mankind thought that water borgd wasn't torture until this man came along. this man has the ability to look at black and say it's white. >> you can forgive him for making mistakes but not saying you can forgive this mistake. what are you saying? >> it's not my position to forgive anybody. but let me do say that i think violating the core -- >> you have an opinion about this. >> i do. i think it's one of the most awful acts by an executive of this country in the history of the united states. it's not forgivable by history. it will be his legacy, the man who brought torture to america and was proud of it. >> did -- >> as well as bankrupting the country in two disastrous wars and refusing ever to admit error. >> when did you change your mind about him? >> i changed my mind through the

events of that war. i put out an ebook called "i was wrong." i never believed -- i said no american -- this story is from guantanamo are all lies or propaganda. no american president would say. that i was contemptuous until the evidence proved it. >> there is a documentary that showed how the techniques gravitated from afghanistan ultimately into iraq. >> this is a widespread policy, hundreds of people were tortured. >> sanjay what else surprised you about him? >> i think there is a single mindedness. we were talking about quite a bit that he thinks helped him get through this significant heart disease. he had his first heart attack at 37 years old.

but he was diligent about getting it checked out. but he admitted he had a single mindedness. do you think that dick cheney changed over the years? or was he always sort of that way? i'm just curious. >> look, i think he probably did change because i think that 9/11 almost certainly filled with him unbelievable amount of guilt, for one thing, i mean, he was responsible for the security of the country -- >> you think he feels guilty about it? >> i think at a sub conscious level, yes. >> but it's your intuition. >> i talk to people about how dick cheney has changed. i used to cover him when he was in the hill in the house. and everybody who i've spoken with who served with him in the house says he's a different person now. >> after 9/11. >> after 9/11. and peter baker has a great book

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