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hello, i'm wolf blitzer reporting today from new york. we begin with a new snapshot of the u.s. economy. it's a lackluster picture. the september employment report shows 148,000 jobs were created in the month, well below the 193,000 created in august. this report was delayed 2 1/2 weeks because of the partial government shutdown. the next report we get will include those who were furloughed by the shutdown. there are also some bright spots in these new numbers. the construction industry, for example, is coming back to life. 20,000 new jobs were added there in september. we also saw the unemployment rate drop to 7.2%. that's the lowest level it's been since president obama was elected back in 2008. today's news isn't likely to change the pessimism americans already feel toward the economy. a new cc poll finds 71% of

americans believe current economic conditions are poor, that's the worst number we've seen this year. the reaction from wall street so far has been fairly muted. there you see the dow jones industrials up about 40 points, alison kosik is over at the new york stock exchange. alison, talk a little bit about the investors and why they're not reacting more positively or negatively to these latest numbers. >> you see it a little more positively. the s&p 500 still in record territory. the way wall street sees this is sort of skewed. it stees bad news as good news because -- let's look at the job report. it's weak. it was underwhelming as far as wall street sees it. it's disappointing. the expectation is the fed will continue pumping that stimulus money into the economy so the fed will continue to act as a safety net. that pushes stocks higher, smashing new records every day and yeah, i know we talk about the dow which did hit plenty records earlier this year.

now it's the s&p 500's turns more representative of stocks. it includes 500 stocks instead of 30 the dow has. it's what your retirement funds mostly track. it's at another record high today, the fourth day in a row. you look how it's doing for the year, it's up more than 20%. a normal gain for the s&p 500 is somewhere around 8%. i'd say it's safe to say look at your 401(k) today, wolf. >> when we peel back the big numbers that cape out today, we're seeing concerns some of these jobs created aren't necessarily high quality jobs. a lot of people coming back into the workforce doing so at jobs they may be overqualified for, maybe just part time jobs. take us inside those numbers. >> right, and we are seeing that in the job growth. you do look at the report of the details of this jobs report, you see that retail jobs jumped 15,000 just in the month of september. that's kind of expected because we are getting closer to the holiday shopping season. but here's the problem with those jobs. they're generally low-paying

jobs, and while it's a good thing the retail industry has been adding these jobs for six months or so, the problem here is since the recession ended, we're seeing this jump in low wage jobs being added, and then you look at the number of jobs being added overall. it's not anything to write home about either. the past three years we're averaging around 178,000 jobs per month this year. in 2012 we averaged 183,000 jobs per month. guess what we were adding in 2011, right around the same, 175,000 jobs. you're seeing the job market kind of treading water, not really accelerating like you ntosee. you want to see the bars we showed you on the chart. they should be growing more, not staying at the same height. the problem is the economy is not growing fast enough. not enough people are getting jobs and quality jobs and not enough jobs added to bring down the unemployment rate as fast as everybody wants to see it. >> it's a modest reduction. thanks very much for that. the obama administration says

the economy and the job market are all headed in the right direction. they're just not moving fast enough. the labor secretary tom an perez says the recent fiscal showdown is partly to blame. >> the sequester and the uncertainty that surrounded the shutdown, those are not ways that you grow jobs. i talk to a lot of businesses day in and day out. and they tell me uncertainty is a huge drag on the economy. >> let's go to the white house. our senior white house correspondent jim acosta is standing by. there's no doubt the shutdown could mean even more disappointing jobs numbers next month not only because of the partial government shutdown, also because of the uncertainty over the debt ceiling as they say. i assume the administration is bracing for that? >> that's right, wolf. we should point out that jason furman, the chair of the white house council of economic advisors just appeared in the briefing room to talk to reporters about what they're

expecting in october. yes, the unemployment rate did tick down in september, buliston this, wolf. jason if yourman just said to reporters a few moments ago that the effect of the shutdown and the brinksmanship over the debt ceiling the last several weeks means at least.25% will be cut from the fourth quarter gdp of this country. there will be a hit in the gdp in this country of.25% and that there may be 120,000 fewer jobs as a result of the shutdown in the month of october, a calculation made the white house council of economic advisors. and another member of the council of economic advisors betsy stevenson tweeted as much. while things did get better in september, they are very much looking to a drop, not in the unemployment rate but a drop in job growth in october.

that is not good news for that labor market, wolf. >> earlier s&p estimated that that 16-day government shutdown cost the u.s. economy what, $24 billion. now there are going to be fewer jobs created in this fourth quarter than would have been created if that had not occurred. what's the latest on obama care over there at the white house? yesterday the president came out and defended the entire program and acknowledged he's so frustrated by that website. what are they saying today? >> well, what they're saying today and jay carney is going to be hit with a lot of reporters' questions because a lot of things that i guess need to be revealed at this point are items that the white house was not really willing to talk about in the last 24 hours. namely, who are these experts coming in and fixing the obama care website. up till this point, the white house, department of health and human services have not been willing to share that information and also not talking when this process of fixing the website is going to be complete. you can also expect jay carney

to face more questions. he was asked about this yesterday, whether or not they would detail that insurance mandate penalty, the mandate that people buy insurance by a certain date early of next year in order to avoid that tax penalty from the irs. jay carney is going to be hit with more questions on that. that story is obviously not going anywhere, wolf. >> you know what i want to do, i want to listen to jay carney right now. he's briefing reporters. >> have experienced with the website every day improvements are being made. i discussed some of them yesterday. so did the president. every day, we are seeing more indications of more and more americans getting access to affordable be health insurance they did not have before. i would point you to the news out of ohio yesterday, the significant decision taken there. a state with a republican governor where which is now joining other states with republican governors to adopt the expansion of medicaid which will provide insurance to

several hundred thousand. i don't have the number right here, but a significant number of ohioans who did not have otherwise access to affordable health insurance. that's what we're focused on, the real americans out there who have a high interest in and demand for the product that the marketplace is providing. and it's on us, the fact that the website has not functioned as effectively as it should. it is also the reason why we have made clear that there are other avenues available to americans with this deep interest in finding affordable health insurance to shop for that insurance and to sign up for and apply for that insurance. and that's happening. and meanwhile, we have an enormous number of -- na number of very qualified people involved in the process of identifying problems, isolating them and fixing them.

>> reporter: will the white house cooperate with this committee? >> we cooperate with all legitimate congressional oversight. i would note that as the president said yesterday, rooting for failure in this case, no matter how much you violently oppose the affordable care act, perhaps even if you voted 45 times to repeal it or defund it or sabotage it in some other way, perhaps if you even voted to shut the government down and cause all of that economic harm to the american people because you are so opposed to a bill that and a law that provides affordable health insurance to millions of americans, you ought not celebrate the fact that americans might be struggling with a website that will provide them information about obtaining that insurance. we should be focused on those americans. the struggles they may be having with the website pale in comparison to the struggles they've had lacking affordable health insurance. that's what this policy is about. it's not about you know, who's to blame for glitches in a

website. what we need to focus on is fixing those problems, making the information that the american people want available to them in al efficient way, and that's what we're doing. >> financially, jay, the saudi's prince bandar is saying there's going to be a major shift in saudi relations away from the united states. how seriously do you take this? are you seeking more information about it. >> well, i can tell you that secretary kerry has spoken at length about this today. coming out of meetings with the saudi foreignmanster. they had candid and productive discussions on these issues rather when they met yesterday in paris. the united states and the kingdom of saudi arabia have a long-standing partnership and consult closely on a range of regional, political and security issues including iran, syria, the middle east peace process and egypt. in terms of prince bandar's comments, i would refer you to him for an explanation of them. on core national security issues, the united states and saudi arabia have a very strong and stable relationship.

while we do not agree on every issue, when we have different perspectives, we have honest and open discussions. again i can point you the to very constructive positive meetings that the secretary of state had with his saudi counter part in paris. >> so jay carney briefing reporters not only on obama care and jobs, but also on a clear deterioration in this u.s.-saudi relationship, a pivotal relationship rip the united states has with a key player in the middle east underscored only the other day by saudi arabia's unprecedented decision to reject an invitation to become a nonpermanent member of the united nations security council. jim sciutto, our chief national security correspondent is working that story. very significant developments and you also heard a strong defense from jay carney on obama care and what's going on on that front. other news we're following, including a passing grade from kentucky's democratic governor. now some republican governors are coming around on a key part

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what's going on? >> you know, what's really interesting about this is not just that they've expanded medicaid which has become something that republicans are vehemently against but they fought in au three cases they fought republicans in the state to do it. look, what cacic did yesterday, he basically defied his republican-controlled legislature and got relatively obscure committee to approve this expansion which will now cover some 275,000 ohioans who wouldn't have had health coverage without it. and it looks like the fight's not over. there are some people going to challenge that. i think that's what unique about this. these are problem solving midwestern republican governors bucking the national trend of the republican party which is a sort of scorched earth all-out campaign against obama care. and look, if you're a republican governor, there are two things you can do to defy obama care.

you cannot take the federal money to expand medicaid or you cannot set up a state exchange. so casich split the conference. he hasn't set up a state exchange but taking medicaid money. >> pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, these are states that president obama carried twice in his race for the white house. i assume these republican governors look at that and they say to themselves, you know what? maybe the future is to be a little bit more moderate supposed to aligning themselves with the tea party. >> yeah. and if you look at the map of -- so we're now split in this country, 25 states have taken this medicaid funding, 25 states have not. virginia where it looks like a democrat will win the gubernatorial race or is favored to win, maybe the 26th state that will take the funding. if you look at the split in the republican party, it's really a divide between the southern republicans, none of the southern states except arkansas have taken this medicaid funding

and the midwestern and northeast republicans, the three you just mentioned, michigan, pennsylvania, ohio are a more moderate brand republicanism where democrats do well. frankly, as governors who have a huge population of uninsured they think this is a good deal, taking this money from the federal government, federal government pays for the medicaid for three years. and then after three years, they pie for at least 90%. they decided it's good for their states, not just for them politically. >> the new jersey governor chris christie, he's very popular. looks like he's not going to have trouble getting re-elected. a former florida governor let's say like jeb bush who is also very popular, they're not shy about moving away from tea party influence on various issues at all. >> and i think this issue of what did you do to stop obama care is going to be obviously a major flash point in the republican republican primaries

in 2016. so if you're coming from congress, someone like marco rubio or ted cruz, you're going to be able to brag about the time that you -- that you tried to defund obama care. we don't know how that's going to play out yet, if that will be a plus or minus. if you're a governor, you have to explain what did you do with medicaid expansion and what did you do with those exchanges. it's really becoming the central issue in the republican party, and i think it's not going away at all in 2016. so you're right. i think some of these moderate governors are in a little bit of a bind over it and going to be asked by hard-core conservatives whether they did enough. >> especially in those states including new jersey and florida which president obama once again carried twice in a presidential election obviously. all right, ryan, thanks very much. a low cost is one of the silling points of obama care. it turns out though once they navigate the website maze, some

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>> the technical issues plaguing the obama care website roll out are only part of the problem. many who have managed to knave gate the system are now saying no thank you, finding the affordable care act is unaffordable at least for them. drew griffin listened to some of their stories. >> cristy metzger and her

husband mark are both 29 years old, healthy with two baby girls and one problem. their health care company informed them their current plan will cease in the next year because it couldn't comply with the affordable health care act. so cristy a part-time teacher and her husband who owns a video company went online. after a week of trying finally figured out what kind of insurance she could get under the affordable care act. for her it seems unaffordable. >> when i logged on, i was like no, be this is very bad. this is much higher than we were currently paying >> their current plan costs $450 a month with a $5,000 family deductible. the bronze plan she found under healthcare.gov will cost $650 a month with a dedouble theable somewhere between 3500 and $6,000. she has yet to find out if she qualifies for any subsidy. >> it's very frustrating because we'd like to know for planning

for the future. >> joshua stra strickland spent two weeks trying to get on the site and couldn't. so he went to his own insurance company, blue cross blue shield. which was able to give him quotes for both his renewal under a private plan and his quote under the affordable care act. the results, no matter which way he goes, he will be paying much more. >> what i found was that the plans made available were almost twice as expensive. >> his renewal under his current plan will increase by 9.8% to a monthly cost of $540, his deductible will double from $500 to $1,000. under the affordable care act, he says, the most comparable plan for himself and his three children is much worse. evident quoted $38 a month with a $1,000 deductible. that is after taxpayers kick in a $150 per month subsidy. >> you feel like we were told, number one, overall health care costs would come down no matter where you got it from and

perhaps number two, the government cost, if you went on the affordable care act would be at least lower. and you're not seeing -- you're seeing increases on both ends. >> that's correct, drew. that you hit the nail on the head with that. >> reporter: then there is 56-year-old helen cummings of georgia. she retired early from an airline and now has a new government job making $24,000 a year. she has chosen to have no health insurance she currently needs health care, she goes to a hospital and pays the prorated cost for uninsured patients. >> you must have been somewhat excited you might get health care insurance. >> i was so totally excite smoothed when she finally got through, signed up and found out she would not qualify, she learned her cheapest option under the act is between $357 and $387 a month with a $6,000 deductible. it's just too much, she says. >> i was hurt. i was truly hurt because of the

fact that i was expecting better. i was really expecting better. >> the white house and the president himself has made it clear there are plenty of people peep excited about the plans. especially those with pre-existing conditions who are now covered and in many cases paying less. >> and those who already had a chance to enroll are thrilled with the result. every day, people who were stuck with sky high premiums because of pre-existing conditions are getting affordable insurance for the first time or finding they're saving a lot of money. >> reporter: but the treatments still cost money and the affordable care act is dependened on lots of healthy people participating to make it work. >> this doesn't work if we don't get lots and lots of healthy people signing up because no plan is going to work if you only get sick people signing up and the healthy people stay out. >> it will come down to the actual numbers, numbers the administration has yet to reveal. drew griffin, cnn, atlanta.

>> speaking of numbers, new numbers out today on the country's unemployment rate. but what about the number of under employed americans? the chairman of the white house council of economic advisors tackles that and more. my interview with jason if yourman, that's next.

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jay carney just announced they're bringing in the acting omb director, the office of management and budget jeff zions to help the department of health and human services manage the affordable care act implementation. at least til january. that's when jeff zions takes over for gene sperling as the head of the white house national economic council. jeff zions highly respected, someone being brought in to help kathleen sebelius in the department of health and human services deal with the problems that have affected the website. that was just announced by the white house press secretary. we'll have more on that. we'll see if he can get the job done together with the rest of that team. they're bringing in heavy hitters. clearly they have a major problem with the website and they've asked jeff to help out sebelius and company. new numbers out today show the unemployment rate fell to 7.2% last month. that's the lowest level since november of 2008, but employers added fewer jobs than expected,

just 148,000. originally they thought maybe 1 0,000, 190,000 might have been created in september. the report does reflect a job market that's healing from the recession, bus once again, very slowly. the obama administration is weighing in on the jobs report. and jason fur man at the white house is joining us right now. thanks very much for coming in. >> thanks for having me, wolf. >> it's gone down from 7.3 to 7.2%, 148,000 jobs created, approximately how many jobs a month would we have to create to see that number go down to let's say, 6%? >> you know, if we want to close the type of jobs gap we have, we'd love to see that private sector job growth being a bit faster than we've seen it recently. we've seen policies that are subtracting from job growth, things like the sequester, likes the bringsmanship, like the shutdown. we want things adding to that

job growth picking that pace up. >> but basically, you'd have to have 300,000 or 4 thun,000 jobs a month to make a morning dent in unemployment, right? >> wolf, i think that's a little bit high. there's a lot of different ways to look at that. as we look at it, we'd like to see more. we'd like to see things moving us in a positive direction in terms of jobs. we are creating over 2 million jobs a year. we've created over 7.5 million jobs in this economic recovery. we're creating jobs at a faster pace than the last economic recovery. but absolutely agree with you. there's a lot more we need to be doing. >> are we going to create a lot of jobs if economic growth let's say is at 2% or 1.% in this coming quarter? >> you know, there's no question that the fourth quarter is going to suffer from the economic shutdown and from the brinksmanship associated with the debt limit. private of sector forecaster are all marking down their forecasts

for q4 by a couple tenths of a percent. that translates into a substantial number of jobs. we can't afforded that type of self-inflicted wound. >> so if 148,000 jobs were created in september, presumably, and we don't know, it's going to be a whole loss less in october because of the 16-day government shutdown and the brinksmanship over the debt ceiling ing, right. >> yeah, we have initial indications about october. unemployment insurance claims were declining steadily up till the shutdown but then they jumped up 50,000. gallup does an index, a pretty good measure of job creation. that was doing decently before the shutdown and it took a big blow in the first half of october. >> what does it mean that there are what, 852,000, nearly a million so-called discouraged workers who have simply given up hope of getting a job? >> you know, look, wolf there's a number of different ways we measure the unemployment rate,

the official measure has fallen from 10% at its peak, pretty steadily down to 7.2% now. there are broader measures of unemployment that an count those discouraged workers as unemployed. count people working part time for economic reasons as unemployed. those broader measures have also declined at roughly the same pace if not a faster pace. no matter how you're looking at the labor market, you see the same story which is broad improvement over the last couple years but a lot more needs to be done and more needs to be done in terms of policies to get us there. >> because a lot of people have been focusing, jason as you know, on not necessarily even the unemployment numbers but the under employment numbers, people who are accepting jobs for a lot less qualifications that they have or accepting part-time jobs because that's better than nothing. of the 148,000 jobs that were created, how many are part-time? >> you know, wolf, we actually saw part-time jobs fall in the

month of september. and full-time jobs, you know rise. and then the net was positive. those numbers from month to month for part on full-time are pretty noisy. we like to look over the whole recovery. there you see more than nine out of ten of the jobs have been full-time. if anything that trend that is improved in the last couple months. >> i've got one last question on obama care. i've seen all these estimates from various people how much obama care over the next ten years is going to wind up costing american taxpayers. do you have a ballpark number? >> you know, the obama care, the affordable care act, the cbo originally estimated it would cut the deficit by $100 billion in the first decade, over $1 trillion in the next decade. we've seen a dramatic slowdown in health costs growing at the slowest pace in 50 years. that's something helping employers on the positive side of the ledger when it comes to our overall economic growth. >> what you're saying is obama

care will not be a drain on american taxpayers. it will actually benefit american taxpayers? >> right, when it comes to taxpayers, absolutely it's going to be reducing the deficit. when it comes to businesses, the congressional budget office, their original analysis was that it would bring down costs especially for small businesses and people in the individual market. frees people up to be more mobile moving from job to job, not locked in because of health insurance. i think it's good for labor markets and good for the economy as a whole. >> jason furman is the chairman of the council of economic advisers. thanks for coming in. >> a damning report on drone attacks. human rights groups releasing new details on u.s. efforts to attack insurgents and the growing civilian toll. jim sciutto is standing by live. s of our students and alumni. people like, maria salazar, an executive director at american red cross.

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the u.s. used drone strikes as an effective weapon against terrorism, but human rights groups now say some of those strikes in pakistan and yemen may be war crimes. amnesty international and human rights watch may detail multiple drone attacks including several that have killed civilians. the highly critical reports come at a bad time. tomorrow president obama is due to meet with pakistan's new prime minister. jim sciutto is joining us live from new york with more. how is the obama administration reacting to these reports? >> well, would he have, they're reacting very strongly and say one, they take civilian casualties very seriously. two, they say they've taken measures recently to reduce civilian casualties and that is true. but to the league question in these reports saying that the administration may be be guilty of war crimes, the administration's reaction even more emphatic. here's how press secretary jay carney sondedsonded -- responde

shows questions today. >> we would strongly disagree. the administration has repeatedly emphasized the extraordinary care that we take to make sure counter-terrorism actions will in accordance with all applicable law. >> we spoke this morning with the new america foundation, a think tank here in washington which has done an exhaustive accounting of drone strikes casualties and according to its figures, since 2004, more than 300 drone strikes had studied, there have been 2,000 to 3400 militants killed and an estimated 200 to 300 civilians killed, a ratio of about 10-12. a commander would tell you that's a pretty good ratio. still those victims are mothers and daughters, fathers and sons and that sparks a very emotional reaction among people on the ground in pakistan. i've talked to them about it in the past. but also from their leaders. as you mentioned, president obama meeting with the pakistani prime minister tomorrow.

>> the new prime minister is not going to be very happy about all of this. in general the reaction to the u.s. drone strikes trying to target terrorists and assassinate them with hellfire missiles from drones whether in pakistan or yemen or elsewhere, generally speaking the reaction from the folks out there is pretty negative. >> no question. i was speaking with a diplomat this morning in fact about this who said that drone strikes are the single most important issue when it comes to america's image in the region and it's a negative indicator for u.s. image in that part of the world. because it is so emotional. and you hear it from the leaders, as well. i heard the pakistani prime minister speak this morning and his words on this were that drone strikes are dentory mental to our efforts to resolving relations with the u.s. and he said i would stress the need for an end to the attacks. so you can imagine he might be saying something very simila to president obama tomorrow. >> jim shut toe will have more on the story coming up later in

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up to $423. call... today. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? the accused terrorist nasserer al libi is due back in new york for a hearing is later today. he's already plead not guilty to charges in connected with the bombing of the u.s. embassy in kenya back in 199 . brian todd is following the story for us. brian, what do we know about today's hearing? >> wolf, today's hearing is a conference between the judge and the attorneys involved in the case. it will likely have to do with his representation and probably other procedural matters. abu an nas al libi has pleaded not guilty to charges he conspired to kill employs of the u.s. embassies. those bombings in 199 killed

more than 200 people, left thousands wound. his wife says he is innocent and says he had left al qaeda well before the attack occurred. her name is um abdal rack mon. here is part of her interview with >> translator: the accusations against him are fabricated. it's true my husband was a member of al qaeda, but he left al qaeda in 1996, two years before the bombings. he did not take part in any bombing anywhere in the world. >> the u.s. attorney's office told me a short time ago it would not comment on those remarks, but the indictment says, and there are indications that al libi did leave al qaeda in the mid-1990s but it does not mean he wasn't part of the plot. a fellow al qaeda operative testified at one point that al libi was in nairobi in 1993, allegedly surveilling possible targets, including the u.s. embassy. again, this was in 1993. the indictment states he was there in 1993 surveilling the

u.s. embassy. our terrorism expert says that it is alleged that al libi took these surveillance photos to osama bin laden, who looked at them and then pointed to where the truck bomb should go. now, al qaeda apparently put that plot on the shelf for about five years. then bin laden gave the go ahead to attack in 1998. so even if he left al qaeda, it doesn't mean he didn't take part in this plot. >> and if he did leave al qaeda, as the wife claims, why would he live al qaeda? what's the explanation? >> according to terrorism experts, moammar gadhafi felt threatened at that time. bin laden and most of the top leadership were in sudan. al libi, according to experts, did leave al qaeda, but then he later joined the islamic fighting group, which was trying

to overthrow gadhafi. gadhafi may have tried to get rid of him from al qaeda, but he didn't get rid of him as a possible threat. >> brian todd reporting for us. thank you. apple's next big thing, a lot like the last big thing only better, they say. can it spur sales for the gadget giant? stay with us.

so let's do a quick check of the markets right now. reaction has been pretty muted to the delayed september jobs report. that's not moving the dow today. right now the dow trading up about 72, 73 points. analysts say they expect the federal reserve stimulus program to continue a while longer. that's moving the markets. that's seen as good news, obviously, for investors. in san francisco, meanwhile, apple is unveiling changes to some of the company's iconic products. it's apple's second big rollout

of the year after the new iphones were introduced last month. let's bring in cnn money tech correspondent lori segal who's been watching. >> everybody's waiting to hear about the ipad. we're hearing that they're going to release the new ipad 5, a new ipad mini with the retina display. we haven't heard that yet. but i can tell you what we have heard. they announced the price and release of apple's new operating system. it's called maverick. it was eye opening. they said they were going to release it for free, which is new for apple. they also introduced and updated the macbook pro line. they said it was going to be lighter, thinner, faster. we anticipated this was going on an announcement. they also announced the new mack pro desk top, which they've been handing out to artists like lady gaga. everybody's loving this. they said it'll be available by the end of the year. i will say tim cook kind of --

he was digging at his competitors a little bit in his opening speech. he said, our competition is different. he said, they're confused. he said they chased after netbooks. now they're trying to make pcs into tablets and tablets into pcs. we have yet to hear about the actual ipad, which is what we're all waiting to hear from. >> we're excited. there's a war going on, a tablet war going on right now. so where does apple stand in this war? >> i would say apple and the ipad are still leading the charge. times have changed. you know, about a year ago apple, the ipad was 60% of the market share. now you look at it compared to this year, it's now 32.4% compared to samsung at 18%. you know, apple, the ipad's biggest competitor is the samsung galaxy. there are also different tablets that are smaller and cheaper and they just keep getting better and better. they got to keep up. i think that's why so many people are waiting to hear from them today and see what they're going to update. >> let's see if they can come up

with something as sophisticated as this. this is the blackberry. you're familiar with this? >> i know what that is, i think. >> i have the iphone too. >> good. >> as soon as you know what's going on, let us know. >> i'm coming right back. >> i want to see that new ipad. >> thank you. >> killer whales being kept as theme park attractions. nothing new. over the past few years, we've heard more and more horror stories. cnn films is taking a closer look at the issue surrounding i orcas in captivity and the lives of these amazing creatures. here's a small part. >> they live in these big families, and they have life spans very similar to human life spans. the females can live to about 100, maybe more. males to about 50 or 60. but the adult offspring never leave their mother's side. each community has a completely different set of behaviors.

each has a complete repertoire of vocalizations with no overlap. you could call them languages. the scientific community is reluctant to say any other animal but humans use languages, but there's every indication that they use languages. >> a reminder, cnn films follows the 39-year history of killer whales in captivity, leading up to the death of a sea world trainer in 2010. "blackfish" airs this thursday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. i want to the leave you this hour with some news we're getting from kathleen sebelius, the secretary of health and human services. in addition to announcing that they're bringing in the acting director to help out in this crisis involving the website, she goes on to announce other steps that they're taking. they're bringing in additional experts and specialists not only from within the government but also outside the government,

including veterans of top silicon valley companies. these re-enforcements, she says, include a handful of presidential innovation fellows. much more on this story coming up later. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." "newsroom" continues right now with brooke baldwin. did bullying drive a student to open fire inside his school, hurting two boys and killing the math teacher? brand new developments just in to us here at cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. the operation to free inmates through bogus paperwork is more common than we thought. cnn investigates. are we closer to a cure for baldness? new hope from a new experiment. plus, the obama care signup is a mess, but one governor tells cnn it's working marvelously