secretary sibelius resign over obama care web site problems. 58% say y 42% say yes, 58% say no. >> from the left i'm van jones. >> from the right i'm s.e. cupp. if i may with your reaction to this whole obamacare business in a particular, kathleen sebelius, a business decision. should the president sticks with someone who has presided over a

business failure in terms of the implementation of obamacare? >> i am a friend of hers and when she is in trouble, speaking on behalf of this team, i like her. i feel sorry for her and the position she is in. it is a huge screwup it will get worked out. >> do you prefer historical we with your people to stick by somebody when they have had a rocky. believing they will be even more determined to succeed or sometimes you just have >> occasionally chop it off but to chop it off. i usually belief in sticking by people, particularly when they are in trouble. in balance you develop a lot of loyalty with people that way and there is some people that where it goes beyond the point you can stick with them but try to stick with them. >> you judge a man, many people say, by his family, by his sons, his grandchildren, when you look

down the line here, what do you feel about these two guys? >> i would love to be judged by the two howards. i feel very good about that. fortunately, they got their mother's genes. >> for viewers tuning in, they know you warren but may not be familiar with hw. give me an assessment. >> it started slow. [ laughter ] >> i think for the first two or three years we thought about putting him up for adoption. but he has developed into a terrific human being and i love backing him in charitable work and he's done the same with his son. >> there is a reason i feel extremely grateful to your son and i'll play a clip why. this is last time i interviewed howard. >> nice to see you. >> i'll get you back with your father and your son, three generations of buffets.

>> that moment was sealed with the famous buffet handshake and i knew then i had a deal because howard, the buffet hand shake means a lot, right? >> well, what i've learned growing up in our family is that, you know, integrity is everything, and, you know, everybody makes mistakes but i believe as my dad says, you know, you stick with people. you give people a second chance and that's the values that, you know, we've had in our family, and -- >> i gave him more than a second chance. >> yeah -- [ laughter ] >> i keyed him up for that one. >> fascinating deals with you did with your son when he was young. i've got three sons, i like the way you think. on the hand shake business, how many men in the world or women, people you do business with do you trust personally for a big deal on the strength of a hand shake, percentage wise.

>> not a high percentage but the ones i made deals with, i decided that their hand shake is not good. we do not have contracts -- we have 70 -- there may be one or two contracts out there but basically, you can't make a good deal with a bad guy. you know -- >> regardless -- >> regardless of any piece of paper. they win. they sue you and do all kinds of things. >> do you still prefer to do business with a handshake? >> yeah, i prefer to do business with people that i like. you know, i see no reason to do business that cause my stomach to turn. it really dumb and really dumb if you're already rich, right? [ laughter ] >> let me ask you, what is the single best lesson you've learned from the elder buffets in your life, would you say? >> my father and grandfather have been the most amazing role models anyone could imagine. i watched my grandfather build what has been one of the

greatest poor tins in the world and history's greatest gifts and in doing so empowering my father to change the world and take that opportunity -- >> he's exaggerating -- >> the will -- [ laughter ] >> that's really -- that's what 40 chances is about, what howard, what my dad has been able to do with that the opportunity my grandfather gave him. >> warren, you always wanted to give your kids enough money they could do whatever they wanted to do in life but not enough they would do nothing. >> enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing. >> let's take a break. i want viewers to tweet me questions you would like for them. we have a signed copy of this book "40 chances" signed by the family and if you're really lucky, i'll put in a copy of my book "shooting straight "which will devalue it more.

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90% of the way home. >> warren buffet back in 2010, the best advice he's received. wisdom passed down from his pather to him. howard buffet and his grandson. one said what's the most important advice you've ever had about investing that you would in part to others? >> look at stocks as part of a business rather than little things that bob up and down. so you value the business and look at the stock. sometimes people think that, you know, the stock will go to 100 or go up next week. in the end you're buying part of the business and you should never lose sight of that. >> do you have to personally enjoy the stock you buy being in? >> well, i enjoy the -- i enjoy analyzing stocks but one thing to remember about stocks is you have these feels about them and they don't care about you. you bought the stock at 20 and now it's 18 and you hate it.

the stock doesn't know what you paid. it has no feelings about you. >> the reason i asked you, when you were young you sold coca-cola and are a huge holder in coca-cola. when we asked the family involving you, as well, what the rider would be for the dressing room requirement, there was one request, anything coca-cola related. >> so i thought this man actually drinks this stuff? >> five a day. >> no, here is the other thing i want to do for viewers, a little moment in the break which made me laugh so loudly i nearly couldn't come back from the break. we were discussing cell phones. i'm a blackberry relics. i hang on the blackberry. it turns out hwb has two. >> yes. >> howard didn't bring any at all and warren has something i haven't seen since grandfather clock. >> this is the one alexander ball gave me. >> how long have you had that one. >> i don't throw anything away

unless i've had it 20, 25 years. >> star track. >> do you use e-mail? >> i sent one e-mail in my life. >> who to? >> i sent to the jeff rakes at microsoft and ended up in court in minneapolis. [ laughter ] >> so i'm one for one. [ laughter ] >> and you still have your old car, is that right? >> well, it's not old, it's about six years. >> right, you're not into flash things, are you, really? >> no, i have everything i want. i'm happy. >> let's turn to your son because when i interviewed him nine months ago we got into deals you did together as father and son which i found gripping -- >> they are not that gripping. they are. they are. >> howard, you turned your backyard into a little farm and wanted to do a deal with your dad about the rental. explain to me what the deal was.

>> that was on 400 acres that hwb farms now and the deal was that the rent amount would be based on my weight. >> this was not a brilliant moment in paradise. [ laughter ] >> what were you thinking? so if you put on weight the rent went up and if you reduced your weight, the rent went down? >> yeah, and i started feeding him candy and pie and unfortunately, i kept paying the higher rate. >> so it didn't work? >> no, not really. >> conversely, there was an incentive scheme on a car you wanted for a gift, you wanted money for it. tell me about that because that did work. >> i knew when i graduated from high school i would really want a car so i went to my dad -- this was at the beginning of high school. i said for the next three years if i don't get a birthday present or a christmas present, would you get me a car? he said he would get me $5,000. back then it was quite a bit of money. >> still is.

[ laughter ] >> see the problem i deal with? big problem. >> the cost of the pennies -- >> that's right. >> and so when i graduated, i had $5,000 and i had a summer job so i earned another $2300 and i bought a new car with it. i thought it was a good deal. >> warren, you stuck rigly to the terms of the deal. >> no, it was a deal. >> it's interesting the two incentives, one worked and one didn't. do you regret the weight incentive you laid down with your son? >> i would say it was dumb. we're still talking about it today. >> do you lay these down on hwp? >> no i don't think i've ever done that. sometimes i would tell him he's going on a trip to some country he doesn't want to go to. i figured that was educational. i don't think i've ever done that. >> warren, all three of your children went to public school.

>> that's true. >> all three of them dropped out of college. >> right. >> you're been flag mat tick about that. >> if they combine their credits, we can get one degree. >> argue who gets it. >> i never thought -- i didn't want to go to college myself. my dad talked me into it. but i think my kids got a wonderful education in public school. i mean, they went to the same school that their grandfather did, their mother, it's a school, inner city school between 20 and 35% black for 75 years. they saw the real world and they saw what america is all about. i think it was a great education. >> what was the key messages that you wanted to send to your children, which i guessed you passed down as well to deal with the fact that there was enormous wealth in the family almost from when they were born? >> they never felt it was going to be passed on to create a dynasty. i always felt we would love wonderful and the rest would go

back to society and that's been the plan since my 20s. >> he hid it for a long time. we didn't know it. >> i don't want to use the word mean but was he a little tight fisted, howard, from the way you paint this picture? >> no, you painted it that way. >> dang it you got me. were you taught to be not too material list tick? >> i don't think you can teach that. the biggest thing you learn is what you observe. i had two incredible parents, and my mom was the most giving person in the world. what i got from my dad was something unique. i used to ease drop on business calls. >> you would only hear one side of the call. >> but you could figure out what was going on. >> is it true you like to conduct business on the phone? >> sure, sure.

>> endless call, broking on the phone to do the deal? >> think don't take long. we made the decision to buy the railroad. i said is it okay if i offer them $100 a share tomorrow and they bought it. >> how much did you pay? >> 34 billion. >> and he's worried about 5,000. >> watch the pennies. >> that is fascinating. you must have unbelievable self-belief, warren, to make that deal in hours. >> if i'm operating on my circle of confidence. there is all kinds of things i don't know how to do but i feel i know -- certain area and that was not a problem making that decision. >> do you ever make big mistakes? >> sure, sure. >> what is the one you think, i should never have done that? >> in the '90s, bought dexter

shoe and made 400 million for it and brooke shire, it costs me more in this dumb decision. i've made lots of dumb decisions. that the part of the game. >> i would love to make decisions that went wrong like that. when we come back, we'll talk about the woman you just mentioned, your great mother, your great wife, the amazing impact on the whole family. many say the brains behind the power. would you agree with that? >> i would. >> we'll discuss that after the break. 1ñp

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i always thought i would marry a minister or a doctor or somebody out doing some valuable service to human beings, and the fact that i married somebody who makes just piles of money is really the opposite of what i ever thought but i know what he is, and he is -- there is no finer human being in who he is. so i overlook the money.

>> warren buffet's first wife susan. what proved to be her first and only interview. an inspiration for the family. i'm here with warren buffet, his son and grandson howard and gw buffet. you said your grandmother is an influence, tell me why. >> she provided unconditional love to all three of us. she had incredible patience, with me which is a requirement to keep me in line and out of trouble tlcht is nobody that would meet her and connect with her and didn't feel a passion and warmth from her and she really taught us how to care about other people and how important it is to treat every human being equally. >> my favorite story in the book and so many powerful stories of your travels, we'll come to this, you go around the world doing extraordinary work with the foundation, a lot of it financed by your dad -- >> all of it.

>> amazing work you do. but my favorite story is the time that your mother very unusual welly for her decided had enough of you, locks you away in your bedroom. most kids in that position and i've been in that position, you sit there and eventually allowed back in the community. not you, howard. what did you do? >> i had a row of windows in my room and i opened a window up. we had a greenhouse. i had to be careful climbing out because i didn't want to go through the glass and i got down and we had a charge account at the local hardware store about five blocks away and i went there and convinced the guy to let me charge a half block and i crawled back in and locked her out. >> you changed the lock on your bedroom door so she couldn't get back in. >> i put a has p lock on it. >> he was the hanable elector. >> i can't think on another

child that would think of doing that. >> i don't know -- >> how did your mother react? >> i think she probably got a kick out of it. a little irritated when she couldn't get back in. >> warren, what do you make of a sun who has such devilish mastermind capabilities? >> it was a worry for awhile. as i mention in the book, we had howy, the second child quite soon after the first child but after we had him we decided to call a halt. i should mention that interview, my wife just had oral cancer and impeded her speech but -- >> tell me about susan. she was obviously this huge great love of your life and an amazing mother and wife. tell me about that. >> i was a mess when she met me, and matter of fact, in another part of that interview she said what was her first impression of me and she said what a jerk. fortunately, she looked at me as a challenge, maybe sort of

preparing her for howy and put me together. it was -- it changed my life. >> when you say put you together, in what way for the good? how did you change? >> i slowly grew up and i wouldn't have otherwise. i was -- i just -- i wasn't feeling good about the world or myself and she just stood there with a little watering can and just sprinkled and planted the flower and bloom. >> many great businessmen are incapable of real love or even real emotion at some times. they get so absorbed in business. many people who don't know may assume you're one of those characters. from what the family said and what i read and the great biographer. you're capable of great emotion and love. >> there is nothing like love. >> does it over ride anything else in your life? >> sure, sure, it wonderful to love and wonderful to be loved.

>> talk to you h.w.b. about this. you had extraordinary figures in your life, haven't you? extraordinary father here, grandfather, grandmother, others. i mean, tell me what it is like growing up in this kind of family? >> to be frank, it's been normal in a sense that we grew up in a normal house. we grew up with normal cars, and you know, we grew up being told there was nothing different about us than anybody around us and that i think really helped ground us and who we've all become as part of this family. having these values that have been so clearly -- i've seen at least stepping back, passed down from my grandfather to my father in the way they do their work in their unique way is one of the most amazing things for me to observe and sit back and draw from as much as possible in watching the way they have been successful. >> warren, what are the key values that you would like to see other people recognize in

your children, your grandchildren, your family, your extended family? >> well, i want them to be good citizens, good parents. i want the world to be better off because they were here. >> what else? makes a great character? i know you think a great rule of investing in life and business is character is one of the big things, not getting into debt is another but character, integrity, what is your definition of that? >> i'm not sure i can give you a great one but i know it when i see it and i feel good about all three of my children. it wasn't always that way. [ laughter ] >> a work in progress? >> a few years, but they felt the same way about me. >> the second most important piece of advice i've been given is surround yourself with people that have even greater integrity than you have -- >> and greater intelligence. >> that's easy. >> that's easy for me to do. >> exactly. >> is it hard growing up, howard with this?

>> i'll tell you this, this is a lot more benefits than this are -- so you get frustrated. i'll tell you, when you're younger growing up with it, it was frustrating at times but you know, today it's a huge advantage and what you really have to do is make sure you're responsible about it and i -- you know, i never felt much different as howy said. you know, growing up in the house we grew up and neighborhood we grew up in it just -- i didn't feel any different and i think anybody else felt. >> we've been in the same house for 55 years. >> we got terrific neighbors. bring me over cherry pies. >> do you ever go and buy like a liter of milk or something? >> yeah, i go to the supermarket. >> before we finish this interview, half an hour left,

i'll get you to play the better frank sinatra and show the world your wallet. this is what your son tells me, he said it's bare and has cobwebs. >> i'm not sure where the time lock is. >> don't get it out yet. we'll surprise the viewers later but he's carrying a wallet, buffet and i'll examine it later in the show. we'll be back after the break. i save time, money,st,

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a great reputation like i say is like virginity it can't be restored. >> the height of washington's budget stand off. when warren buffet speaks the world listens. >> warren buffet compared his son to hanable elector. i'm thinking there is an exaggeration. doesn't know me.

>> think about the book "40 chances." tell me about the title. >> back in around 2001 i went to what they call planters school, doesn't sound exciting. there was a speaker there who said we were really thinking about things wrong and that we think of, you know, one season blends into the other and by the time your dad lets you climb on the tractor you get 40 crops, 40 seasons or 40 years to grow the best crop you can grow and made me think about a few things differently in my farming but what it really did was kind of make me think about this is a really mind set in life because you have maybe 40 prime years that you can -- he might have 80, but, you know, it's really a mind set.

you've got to bring urgency to what you do if you want to change something. you got to figure out how to do things in scale. in our case we have to take risk because we got to learn what doesn't work as quickly as we can. the main theme of this is finding hope in a hungry world, feeding those who just can't afford to feed themselves in some of the most difficult places on earth. one of the quandaries that you face and you're very open about this is you sometimes can pump money into these areas and you never see it again. it gets squandered, corrupted, wasted. what have you learned about that battle? how do you deal with that? >> there is a lot of great organizations out there. i have confidence in where most of the money goes. what happens is it doesn't get you the results you want. and so, you know, one of the things i learned in 2005 i was in a village in angola and had this woman try to give me her child and i had to refuse to take the child and that was kind

of a pivotal moment for me because i went back and figured out the people with me, helped me figure out what does it take to do the logistics and medical. $4.5 million and might get them into the next season. you can't take tens of thousands of villages and save it project by project. that's when i started to understand you can't do this has this as a scale and you absolutely have to engage on advocacy, which is something i've never done. >> warren, you pump more and more money into howard's foundation, i think over $3 billion you have. you obviously like the way he's gone about trying to tackle his problem. what do you make of what he's achieved? >> he's operating on the premise that all lives have equal value and from that, he's taken that passion and area of expertise

farming and looked around the world and seeing it can be done so much better by people and not by it willing him to do it like us but working with the conditions they have and it will make a difference. >> proud of him? >> i'm very proud of him. >> let take a break. let's come back and talk more buffet. i want investment advice. lots of tweets saying come on, warren, give us tips. >> the tip is to read "40 chances". >> there is three or four stock tips in the back. [ laughter ] [ horn honks ]

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can you do any better on salary? >> unfortunately that range is set at corporate? >> what about range, gas isn't cheap. >> we think 25 cents is fair. >> what about 27? when i make long distance calls is it on monitor or the honor system?

>> attention to details and made his family one of the most influential in the world. back with three generations of buffets in the world, warren, howard g. and howard w. >> the most thing about wildly famous, the worse you are, the more people like it. >> a lot of people like it. >> what is the thing most people that see you in the street and recognize you ask you? >> they come up with -- they say are you really -- you know and i say no, i'm really much better looking than he is. [ laughter ] >> see, i would ask you whether you carry your wallet and what is inside it. if i was to ask you that now, what would the answers be? >> let's take a look. >> this is the moment of television history. has this ever been on television before? >> i've had had this wallet -- >> how long have you had it, first? >> probably about 20 years. >> what do you have in it? >> here is my american express card from -- >> that's the green card. >> the green amex card.

>> yeah. >> that's the one you've had the whole time. >> it goes with my cell phone. >> what other cars? >> a variety of cards but sheer a picture of the family. >> how much cash? >> more than usual. >> that's quite a wad, actually. >> there is some hundreds in there. >> yeah. >> they will see -- >> that's what i was looking for. >> back -- >> yeah, right. >> i literally see gray hounds move slower than that. we have a signed copy of "40 chances" a and signed copy of my book shooting straight. this is a roll away winner. i'm calling competition right now. when we saw this, the give away goes to a young man called steven house who said i met mr. buffet as a college student three years ago in omaha and what should i do with this picture? is the picture of warren buffet

offering interesting advice to this student which appears to be the strangulation variety. >> i recognize that. he's the last woman that asked me to take out my billfold. [ laughter ] >> that's what happens, ladies and gentlemen, if you ask warren buffet to show you his wallet. that young man will win both signed copies for a terrific paragraph he sent in there. howard, of all the places you've been, issues you dealt with, what is the most powerful? >> the resilience of people. i don't know if you saw the movie "blood diamond "but hundreds of victims that survived the ruf attacks in sierra leon during a conflict there and they had -- they were offered a long sleeve short sleeve and chop their arms in different places. it amazing to watch these people figure out how to carry water back village.

they sliced a little boy's chest and put cocaine in it and carried an ak-47 because he was too young at six. the people have have the opportunity to meet in difficult circumstances and resilience and don't give up hope -- >> it's packed full of powerful stories. beautifully written and i think people will enjoy it. warren, let me turn you to the shutdown and the debt crisis there is a crisis involving washington, debt ceilings, shut downs. how do we try to bring an end to all this and actually move forward for the benefit of the american economy and the american people? >> i think that both parties should declare the debt limit as a political weapon of mass destruction which can't be used. i mean, it is silly to have a country that has 237 years building up its reputation and then have people threaten to tear it down because they're not

getting some other matter. it's so disproportionate to other issues. so the first thing to do is just take that off the table. what i really hope is that brian and marie sit down and work out something probably that's better in private and work out something that involves some real give on both sides and present it for an up or down vote. then i think the american public is is enough irritated and disgusted on what what's happened to put pressure to get something through. >> an amazing country, amazing superpower. but there are rivals now to the superpower status. notably china. what should america be looking to do going forward? used to be this great manufacturing powerhouse. what is the future for america incorporated do you think? >> terrific. terrific. this country has worked for 237

years. every generation has lived better than the one before it. we've gone through great world wars, civil wars, depression, et cetera. we have not come close to the best of our system. best days lie ahead. i feel positive for my sons and grandsons. >> people are asking where should i invest? warren's the guy to ask. >> well, now you've asked. >> warren buffett, do you know how much you're worth? >> it's all going to philanthropy. every single share of berkshire hathaway. i've got everything i need. it can do a lot for other people, it does nothing for me. that's where it goes. >> if you have any spare, that you're just thinking, i'm your go-to guy. want to make that quite clear. it's been fascinating to talk to all three of you. congratulations on a terrific

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back now with the buffett family. i'm now sporting the fabulous 40 badge which means i'm a member of 40 chances now. pretty illustrious club, right? >> very few people. >> it means i've had more than 40 chances this year. very useful timing.

i'm looking forward to wearing this. the web site is 40chances.com. you can actually make suggestions there you were saying where people can suggest ideas for how you can spend money from the foundation and places to go. >> we want people to get involved. if they read the book and are inspired by anything we're talking about, we have a number of organizations, ideas and that type of thing. they can go there, too. >> brilliant. we're coming to this magnificent moment in musical history. >> it is a moment. >> have you ever met frank sinatra before he died? >> i never met frank sinatra. >> you're a fan? >> i'm a fan. >> and a fan of the ukelele? >> yes. and you just handed me the ukelele. >> warren has not played this instrument before, this particular one. we purchased it in new york city today. we believe it's a good one. he has had a little practice on it. you're ready to go. this is warren buffett singing frank sinatra's "my way." >> joined by --

♪ now the end is near and so i face the final curtain ♪ ♪ mice friends i'll say it clear i'll say something of which i'm certain ♪ ♪ i've lived a life that's full and traveled each and every byway ♪ ♪ and more much more than this i did it my way ♪ [ applause ] >> that was absolutely fabulous. >> a lot of talent. >> about 50 seconds left, i've been inundated with tweets. many of them saying these buffett boys are a lot of fun. >> we have a lot of fun. >> you don't do this kind of interview often, warren. how have you enjoyed the last hour? >> i've enjoyed it a lot. i enjoy being with these -- i've enjoyed this. i think maybe we can show up the a the grammys, the two of us. >> how would you like to be

remembered? >> a teacher. a teach. well, actually i'd like to be remembered as the oldest man that ever lived. not sure that's in the cards. >> might happen. [ laughter ] >> if there was one moment i could relive in your entire life again for you which time would you choose? >> a time with my dad. some moment, any moment. >> just to see him again. >> absolutely. >> warren and howard, hwb, i'm sorry. thank you so much. they invited me to become part of 40 chances, terrific cause. love the book. love the interview. here it is, howard u. buffett with howard w. buffet, "40 chances." it's been a great honor for me. >> don't forget the stock tips at the end. [ laughter ] >> it will be a dated tradition. >> howard i want to thank you. you were good to your word. you brought back your old man and your son.

it's been a terrific hour of television. i'm grateful to all of you. thank you very much indeed. >> thanks for having us. >> what a great hour it's been. thanks for the buffett family for joining me. that's all fours tonight "ac 360" starts now. tonight breaking news, a 360 exclusive, if you're wondering why you can't get the affordable health insurance promised stay tuned. i got done seeking answers from the woman in charge. he addresses critics that want her to resign and you'll see it here. later, a little girl front in greece is she also the little ground lost in kansas city and this. 911 emergency? theres an armed gunman at sparks middle school. >> and a man that ran toward the gunfire, not away, his story being told. the exclusive chance to ask the question so many americas want answers to.