her new album "art pop." weird. weird. "cnn newsroom" continues. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, i'm wolf blitzer reporting today from washington. let's begin with new information how long it will take potentially to fix all the problems with the obama care website. jeffrey zients was brought in to help lead the trouble shooting for the healthcare.gov website. he's updating reporters on efforts to get the site fixed. athena jones jones joining us from the white house. this time line, not encouraging, the end of february at the earliest they might be able to have everything working properly. is that right? >> it's the end of november. this is what jeff zients told reporters on this call. this is the answer to the

question we've all been asking ever since it became clear that this site was not working as well as it should. he said the site should be fully functioning by the end of november, which means that the vast majority of folks trying to sign up for health insurance and shop around and make a choice for health insurance should be able to do so by then. this is the answer we've been waiting for but the end of november isn't all that encouraging because if it does take till then, that will be two months, about two months since the site launched. one more thing we learned from the call is that they're appointing qssi, one of the contractors working on had site. they're appointing them to head up the entire effort to fix healthcare.gov. and you'll remember one of the big criticisms of all you this is that there wasn't one person or organization apart from cms, the government, that was in charge of making sure that this site could run properly and fix it properly. now they're answering some of those criticisms by appointing jeff zients to head up the tech

surge and making sure everything, would all together. >> jeffrey zients, a highly respected official, worked in the private sector, ceo of major corporations, acting omb director is taking over as director of the national economic council. he's got this assignment right now trying to make sure it works. what they're saying in the samt is they expect it to be almost fully functioning by the end of november. so that's two months started october 1st, and all of october, all of november, beak it won't be fully functioning. are they going to delay the penalty by two months? in other words, keep the open enrollment going an extra two months because of these problems? >> that's another question a lot of folks have been asking and many republicans and also a growing number of democrats are saying they need to look at shifting this idea that people have to buy health insurance by the end of march or face a penalty. there's no news. the administration knows they need to work hard to fix this.

jeff zients said healthcare.gov is fixable but it's going to take a lot of work. of course, they say by the end of november if they're lucky, it could happen sooner. that's the estimate we have right now. and, of course, if people enroll by december 15th, they'll be able to have health insurance kick in as of january 1st. but they have until the end of march to sign up so that they can avoid any sort of penalties. so no news on changing the penalty, wolf. but big news today on when they think they can fix all of these problems that have been plaguing this site and this very important effort, this signature law of the president's. >> wolf? >> interesting they use the words almost fully functioning. i ask the question about delaying the penalty. ten democratic senators sent a letter to kathleen sebelius today saying you got to delay it. you got to keep it open for a little extra time to give consumers critical time in which to become familiar with the website and choose a plan best

for them. all right. athena, thanks very much. one question a lot of people continue to ask, will fixing the web suit give democrats, give everyone, in fact, a lot more time to deal with this? democrats, as you know, have been calling for an extension of this nonpenalty phase. let's go to lisa day jordan up on capitol hill. i have this letter in front of me. jeanne shaheen, a bowl bunch of other democratic senators, some up for re-election next year want to the delay any penalty because of all of these problems. >> that's right. that momentum's grown really fast and aring development as you say, wolf. these ten senate democrats sent a letter last night to the sebelius saying march 31st is too soon. there are too many problems and the health and human services folks need 0 push back the enrollment deadline. let's look at some of the big faces that signed this letter. they're from all over the country, moderates as well as

liberals. you can sejean shaheen who has spearheaded this effort also signed the letter, dianne feinstein of california, mary landrieu of louisiana, mark pryor of arkansas and three of those four, wolf, running for re-election. what did they say in the letter? they didn't hold back. let's take a look at some quotes from the letter. it was about a page, a little bit longer. they wrote our constituents are frustrated and we fear that the longer the website is not functional, opportunities for people to log on and enroll will be lost. then later, individuals should not be penalized for lack of coverage if they're unable to purchase health insurance due to technical problems. wolf, that's the argument we keep hearing on capitol hill coming from democrats to a democratic administration. so we'll see what happens next week when the senators return to town. they're not even in town right now. i'm waiting for health and human services to respond to this letter. they should get back to me later today. >> we'll see what the house says, too. it's not pre day you get ten

democratic senators writing the secretary of health and human services saying delay the penalties because of all these problems. lisa desjardins, thank you very much. kathleen sebelius is on the road again today urging people to sign up for obama care. they'll be in san antonio, texas, later this hour after a stop earlier in austin. she says the obama care website is improving day by day. she says her focus is on making the site perfect. at a stop in phoenix yesterday, she had a message for critics to say she should step down. >> well, the majority of people causing for me to resign i would say are people who i don't work for. and who do not want this program to work in the first place. i have had frequent conversations with the president and i've committed to him that my role is to get the program up and running and we do just that. >> sebelius is expected to testify before a house committee next week about the problems with the obama care website.

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alone. "the guardian" newpaper reports the nsa was given the numbers of 35 world leaders and kept tabs on all of them. those numbers said to be passed on but two the nsa by u.s. officials outside the agency. number three, the washington post reports the u.s. is reaching out to foreign governments to tell them that other secrets potentially embarrassing secrets may leak out soon. among them, details of cooperative efforts between the u.s. and other nations to spy on russia, china and iran. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto joins us from new york today. jim, all this i assume or the an least a lot of it edward snowden related. >> that's exactly right. that's the substance of the warning that you just talked about in the "washington post" story of the u.s. now warning other countries particularly innencetive areas that they're going to be more revelations. this is a real problem because for some countries cooperating with the u.s. is dangerous. we reached out to the national security council and this is how they responded.

the united states takes the concerns of the international community seriously. and has been regularly consulting with its affected partners. we also heard today from the european union that angela merkel and others saying these revelations could affect their intelligence cooperation with the u.s. and, of course, we're talking about allies like france, the uk and germany among our closest partners in terms of cooperating on fighting terror. you also mentioned the 35 countries, the 35 leaders that the nsa was spying on. we now know one more of those countries or we he can surmise one of those is spain because the u.s. ambassador to spain was summoned today to answer for these allegations, as well. so the u.s. causing some real problems with its closest allies. >> what else are u.s. officials saying about all of this? >> we're getting the first public pushback, the strongest public push babb now from the administration. the homeland security advisor to the president lisa monaco wrote

an op-ed in u.s. today today talking about this, and this is how she described it. we want to ensure we are collecting information because we need it and not just because we can. administration officials have been telling us for the last couple of days that they are reviewing nsa surveillance to get a better balance, they said, between security concerns and privacy concerns so now we see them underlining that by saying in effect, we've been doing the nsa has been doing too much. the question that the administration has not answered clearly yet is this. they've said in their conversation with angela merkel that the president said we are not doing this surveilance of your personal calls now and will not in the future. but when asked yet again today, did they do it in the past, they acknowledge they did it in the past, the white house balking on that question. i think we can guess that the answer really is a yes. and one more thing. they'll repeat the point that all countries spy on each other to defend themselves to say wait a second, yes, this may be the scale of this may be unusual,

but other countries do the same thing. >> yeah. jim sciutto, thank you. the florida republican senator marco rubio weighed in on the controversy on "new day" earlier today. listen to what he said. >> on the nsa programs three things. number one, an ongoing review of our intelligence gatherings capabilities is the right approach because at the end of the day, you want to make sure your resources are used where you need them the most. these leaders are responding to pressures in their own country. they're aware of it because of my third point. and that is everyone spies on everybody. that's just a fact. i mean, and whether they want to acknowledge that publicly or not and every country has different capabilities but at the end of the day, if you are a u.s. government official traveling abroad you are aware anything have you on your cell phone, ipad could be monitored by foreign intelligence agencies including that of your own allies. i think a lot of what you're seeing from european leaders is for the domestic consumption of

their own public. everyone knew there was gambling going on in casablanca. >> they certainly did know that. candy crowley is here, the anchor of cnn's "state of the union." what do you make of this? business as usual, a little awkward, embarrassing, but not necessarily a big deal? >> a little awkward and embarrassing. it's like finding out one of your best buddies looked through your medicine chest or something. it changes the relationship a bit. certainly the pushback has been everybody does this. but we have better stuff. so we are the u.s. is more able to tap into the phone of angela merkel and to do other things. i think the most troubling thing for their administration at least insofar as it oversees relationships are concerned, it's been a cooperative. they've been sharing intelligence. this is a new day and age of terrorism. if that comes out, if for instance, germany is seen as well, they gave the u.s. this

information about the following six people, that is dangerous because then that turns the spotlight on in a way that certainly merkel would not like. i think the administration is lucky in this way. you hear responses like marco rubio. and the ruth is, there is no pressure on had administration to change this at had point. >> change the policy of eavesdropping, surveilance, even on friendly countries? >> i think it's one thing to say we all sigh on each other and another for merkel to find out her cell phone has been tapped. the reality of that simple fact is different from oh, yeah, everybody spies on everybody. >> they had a conversation, the preds president and angela merkel the other day. not necessarily the best conversation they ever had. this u.s.-german relationship, this he have to do something to repair it. >> they do, but bottom line, there is too much commonality of destiny, of how they'll view the world, of what's at stake and

risk for this to be a permanent rift between the u.s. and germ or the u.s. and spain or the u.s. and france because they thought fought a lot about a lot of different things but those have and alliances that have held. they'll weather this. but it does bring up the trust thing. and if it means that everybody dials back what they give to the u.s., which is the other side of this coin, i think that's not great news for the u.s. we want the information we want except for they never know whether they want it till after they get it, which puts it -- it's always breathtaking how much how much sensitive information snowden walked away with. >> that's scary, as well. it doesn't seem like the information is secure within the nsa, obviously. >> obviously wasn't all ha secure. you've got a big show sunday morning. >> indeed we do. we're going to talk to mike rodg rodgers, the chairman of the house intelligence committee. but we're also going to talk to

zeke emmanuel, the brother of rahm emanuel. he has been knee deep in obama care. we wanted to kind of move the conversation along and say okay, let's say they fix the computer stuff. that's the relationship between you and your doctor going to be like after january 1 or whenever it all kicks into effect. >> we'll be watching. 9:00 a.m. sunday morning. "state of the union." also replayed at noon. sometimes it's live at noon. >> yes, absolutely. >> candy crowley reporting. the tables are turned on a former spy chief. what he thought was a private phone conversation on an amtrak train didn't turn out to be so private after all. [ male announcer ] this is jim, a man who doesn't stand still. but jim has afib, atrial fibrillation -- an irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. for years, jim's medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but now, with once-a-day xarelto®, jim's on the move.

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eavesdropping on a former directorer of the national security agency, michael hayden was on a train yesterday having a private conversation on his cell phone. a nearby passenger overheard him, took to twitter live tweeting parts of hayden's conversations. here are a few of the tweets. spy boss michael hayden on acela behind me blabbering on background as a former senior administration official sounds defensive. hayden was bragging about rendition and black sites a minute ago. on acela phone ringing, i think the jig is up. maybe somebody is sell telling him i'm here. the man behind the tweets tom mattzie was on n earlier today and defended his decision to tweet. >> he has no expectation of privacy. he's in a public place.

he's the loud guy talking on his phone in the middle of the staunt. and he's saying things that are news worthy. it's actually news worthy whether or not the former head of the nsa is making disparaging comments about the president of the united states. >> brian todd has been looking into the story. what's hayden saying about all of this? >> he's pushing back on the notion that hayden was bashing the president of the united states. hayden issuing a statement today say "had a nice chat with my fellow perjure. not sure what he thinks bashing the administration means. i didn't criticize the president. i actually said these are very difficult issues. i said i had political guidance too that limited the things i did when i was director of nsa. now that political guidance is going to be more robust. it wasn't a criticism." pushing back on this notion he was criticizing the president. but tom mattzie sticking to his guns, wolf. >> you spoke to mattzie earlier today and had a chance to hear his side of the story.

he believed hayden opened himself up to this. >> he thinks it was inappropriate and undignified for hayden to do that. mattzie is a leader of moveon.org and he said he didn't like what he was saying about the president of the united states but he also pushed back on the notion that he was tweeting about sensitive things that michael hayden was saying. take a listen. >> i didn't suggest he was spilling state secrets. he wasn't sharing the lotion of secret government, you know, installations or any secrets like that. no, he was making political commentary about u.s. intelligence and u.s. foreign policy. and not -- and using all of his credibility to play a political game. and so if he's going to use that credibility to use a political game, he makes. himself a target. >> and i said to mattzie, i kind of challenges him over the phone saying beak, wolf, look even if he was in public and he was

saying these things rather loudly, was his conversation, what gave you the right to do that. he said basically you don't have an expectation of privacy. he was being the loud guy on the train. he felt he was justified in doing it. >> next time he should go into the quiet car. you take the acela from washington 0 new york, nothing noise allowed an. >> if they were, it would have been worse. >> he did take a picture with him and hayden. they're both from pittsburgh. >> hayden offered him an interview. mattzie said i'm not a journalist. i don't know if they'd have that moment now after this all this fallout. >> you're going to have a lot more later on this story. generating some buzz out there. thanks very much for that. brian todd. is there any hope for what is called a grand bargain budget deal? lawmakers on both sides of the aisle eem 0 agree to the answer on that. congressman tom cole, he's standing by live. he'll weigh in. i'm angela, and i didn't think i could quit smoking

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other news, iran may be only a month away, only a month away from making enough weapons grade enriched uranium for a nuclear bomb according to a report by a united states based anti-proliferation group. it finds iran could have the uranium needed for a bomb in one to 11 months but putting it into weapons would take longer. the iranian government calls the report and i'm quoting now a huge lie. should the u.s. government help jpmorgan chase pay a $13 billion settlement? that's the focus of talks between the company and the federal government. evan paris has details of what's going on. what are you learning? because they're fined $13 billion. then the federal government is going to pick up a chunk of that. that sounds unusual, doesn't it? >> it is very unusual. that's one of the sticking points of the negotiations which have been going on, as you know, last friday, they reached a

tentative outline of a deal of $13 billion for jpmorgan to settle these allegations that they misled the government in the sales of mortgage securities. now, one of the sticking points is whether or not jpmorgan can go to the fdic and get reimbursed for some of the penalty an that it's going to have to pay, some of the fines it's going to have to pay. that i'm told is one of the sticking points of the negotiations. lawyers have been working through this over the weekend and all this week. and you know, there's a very funny thing here. the fdic sold washington mutual to jpmorgan in 2008. washington mutual was in trouble, so jpmorgan picked it up. the problem is the fdi krs was stuck with some of the liabilities of washington mutual. so jpmorgan has the right to go back and claim some of this. the justice department i'm told is making a hard line on this and want to make sure jpmorgan

cannot try to reach back and get some of the money essentially from the government, from one pocket of the government to another. >> but the government asked jpmorgan to take over washington mutual. that was a request from are the federal government. they thought they were doing a favor to the federal government and now they're being penalized for that. >> that's the way jami morgan, the ceo of. >> jami diamond. >> i'm sorry. jami diamond has put tries to portray what happened. it is true that the government asked jpmorgan to take it over but jn morgan basically knew what it was getting into. it wanted to get into this business. it thought there was a good purchase there. so you know, you're right. there is some of that at play here. >> the federal deposit insurance corporation were to pick up some of the 13 billion dollars, what are we talking about, a few million, a few billion? any estimate how much? >> that's being worked out right now. one of the issues is we don't know how much of -- how much

blame jpmorgan is going to accept, you know, as part of the final deal. i think the numbers are still in flux right now. >> to the lawyers will be very, very busy on this one. evan, good work. thanks very much. coming up, konging gres man tom cole on chances of a grand bargain. stay with us. ordinary rubs don't always work on my arthritis.

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republicans and democrats here in washington are agreeing at least on one thing when it comes to a so-called grand bargain budget deal. don't hold your breath. republican budget committee chairman paul ryan and the senate majority leader harry reid say it won't happen quashing expectations that some sort of large scale deal will come out of the negotiations formally scheduled to start next week. congressman tom cole joins from

us capitol hill. right now he's a member of this house/senate budget committee. thanks for coming in. >> great to be with you, wolf. >> so can we forget about a so-called grand bargain? are we going for a lipped small scale deal? >> who am i to contradict did the chairman of the budget committee of the house of representatives? look, i think they're right to try to keep expectations in line with the achievable instead of the ideal. but what could be achieved could be pretty significant. we're about $90 billion apart in terms of the house budget and the senate budget. if we could, you, know, find a compromise in the middle we could pay for with either savings or with what i'd call growth revenue, not raising taxes but finding ways that would generate international revenue, that would be a good thing for this year and posit a number for next year so that the budget and the appropriations process can begin in january for

fiscal year 2015, we'd actually get the government functioning under rel order. i think that would be a very good thing. it would be a lot calmer and peaceful than lurching from continuing resolution and debt ceiling crisis one after another. >> yeah, if you could avoid another government shutdown and a crisis over raising the debt ceilinging in january and february, that would be really important. congressman, what about this notion of coming up with a new deal on those forced budget cuts, the so-called squesttration? the next round goes into effect in a few weeks. a lot of people are deeply concerned this could have a negative impact whether on the hirlt or other key areas of the federal government. >> look, i share that concern. i actually think both sides share that concern. each said said throughout the sequester is not the appropriate and best way to pear back government spending. democrats have either wanted to wish it away and this is a matter of law. we have to act pro actively to change. or they've wanted to raise taxes

to get the extra revenue. i don't think either one those are the appropriate solutions. the president's put enough entitlement reform on the table himself that we could find the savings on the nondiscretionary side and take care of a lot of those cuts. there are some revenue measures that the two sides might be able to agree on. so again, there's enough elements out there to avoid that, but if all else fails, what will happen is exactly what you outlined, we'll have government at sequester levels and that's going to be pretty painful for all concerned, democrat and republican alike. >> let's talk about the obama care health, the website. we learned today, jeffrey zients who's been brought in to help deal with the problems of the website, he says now it should be almost fully functioning by the end of november. is that good muff for you? >> well, no. obviously, it's -- i have a lot of respect for mr. zients. i worked with him on the budget committee when he was acting

director at omb. a very capable guy. i think the problems with obama care are much deeper than a website. we're going to have to see what the composition of the population that's enrolled is. i suspect it's very light on young healthy people and probably long on older people that are going to be very exmembersive to take care of. there's a lot of other problems with it. some of the funding mechanisms, medical device tax are pretty unpopular. so believe me, i think the website is the beginning of the problems. it's not the end. it's a deeply flawed, you know, law. and we can do some things to try and mitigate that. we already have. and i'd like forward to working with my democratic friends. but long-term, this is not going to be a program that, would out well. >> what are you hearing from folks in oklahoma who never really had health insurance but can now purchase it? they've had pre-existing conditions or they were very

poor, but now for the first time they're eligible to get themselves some sort of health insurance plan? what are you hearing from folks in oklahoma? how is that working out? >> well, lease a mix of opinions. obviously, there are some people particularly people are pre-existing conditions that we've heard positive things from. overall the reactions mostly negative. people are not convinced the program is going to be able to be self-supporting. they've had the website problems other people have, and lots of folks had already had insurance that they were happy with. are seeing their policies canceled and or their rates go up. so there's a mix of opinion. but honestly, it's still pretty heavily against obama care, and people are pretty fearful what's coming. the state so far has refused to participate in either the building of the website or the expansion of medicaid. so i'd say on balance, there's not much question, this is not a popular program in oklahoma okay at this time. >> tom cole, as usual, thanks

>> you bet. all right. appreciate it. apparently there's a major development off the coast of japan. chad meyers is standing by, a large earthquake. what happened? >> 7.3 in the same relative area as the much larger earthquake that caused the big tsunami series ago. 300 miles from tokyo right there. that's not the real concern. the concern is that there may be a small tsunami that comes off of this toward the coast where they had the much larger tsunami earlier, but what i'm worried is the fukushima power plant, with rods basically almost in thin air just a little bit of water around them. we're still going to have to see these guys don't need shaking and certainly not a 7.3 earthquake. technically this would be still an aftershock. you would say, wait, that happened a couple years ago. two years is a long time in people time. but it's certainly not a long time in earth time. still a quake, still a movement along the same fault that the

large quake was. we'll keep watching it for you. right now, so far, so good. no alerts for the u.s. or hawaii. >> no tsunami alerts or anything along those lines. >> correct. >> chad, thanks very much. chad meyers reporting. international outrage over nsa surveilance. now allies are demanding answers. we'll talk about that and more with kormer congress woman jane harman, whether the anger among the allies is justify. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay and could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call today to request a free decision guide

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woodrow wilson center here in washington. congress woman, thanks very much for coming in. let's talk about this. you're in europe right now. how big of a problem is this, these allegations that the u.s. has been spying not on enemies necessarily because we all know that goes on but also among the closest of allies. >> well, look, the response so far in its lit seems muted. our very able new ambassador john phillips i don't think has been called in yet by the foreign minister and he hasn't been taken to the woodshed as have our ambassadors in other capitals, berlin, eris and i think now spain. but foreign leaders are displeased. they're displeased because the public here doesn't get this. and has higher expectations of privacy than the public in the united states. i think the obama administration response to this is right. that we are reviewing this and discussing it with foreign

leaders. whatever it was that we were doing with respect to cell phone numbers of foreign leaders may have to be revised but the basic core nsa program which is in place to track foreign terrorists who are trying to do harm to the united states is to me, still a justified program. needs to be explained better but it's justified. it complies with law and there are strict safeguards in terms of the fisa court which is a serious place where a lot of actions of nsa have been overturned and the congress which is well briefed and paying a lot of attention. i would argue the core program must be kept if we want to protect the united states. if we scrap it and have another boston marathon bombing, people will rue the day and perhaps want to create something more draconian. >> marco rubio was on cnn on "new day" and said we shouldn't necessarily be shocked that the u.s. is spying onnal allies and

friends right-hand sort of compare diagnose to gambling income casablanca. the shock. does it really go on like this all the time? >> well, that's a -- like it depends what like this is. again, this material that edward snowden took is being leaked out. it's strategic times in ways that cause maximum confusion and harm to us. it's a poke empty eye, and one wonders how much of this information perhaps the russians have and the chinese have and whether they're part of these leaks. but at any rate, putting that aside, there are different levels. at one level, the intelligence agencies of the u.s. and ancertainly all you have europe work very closely together. in italy, there is an enormously capable intelligence community, and italy has large concern about terrorism in north africa and we're working closely with

them. i don't think they're shocked. maybe those who have to account to the electorate are more shocked at least in public, but i think a number of public officials like angela merkel today, her statement today, there will have to be a discussion, but we should not trap the trade talks between the u.s. and europe and we should carefully understand how to proceed together in the future. so i think this will calm down, i don't know what the next leak is going to be, but i think a public conversation in the united states and in europe about what these programs are intended to do is long overdue and if they should be somewhat modified, that's fine, but let's remember, the goal is not to compromise privacy. the goal is to keep americans and europeans safe. >> isn't it true, congresswoman, top u.s. national security officials go anyplace outside of the united states, certainly in

a country not friendly to the united states, but even ipvery friendly country, including major nato allies, they're warned, be careful with your cell phones, your laptops, yourx ip ipads, your sensitive information because the host country is going to be listening in? >> yes, and as i traveled around as a member of the intelligence committeer very often, i did not take my cell phone into certain countries. i was told not only would i be listened to, but i would be looked at in hotels and it's a little up comfortable, but i did not have an expectation of privacy. let's understand, as your implying, that the united states is not the only government from time to time spies on other governments. this has been going on forever. and you think about capitols where there are numerous foreign countries operating. you have to imagine it's going on. i don't discount that it's going on right now as i'm talking to you from rome.

by somebody. and certainly, it's going on when one visits china as i did a couple months ago. >> i have been told by many top national security officials they don't even want to take a cell phone into those countries because they assume everything that may be there is going to be compromised. it's a serious problem. jane harman from the woodrow wilson center joining us from rome. you want to make a final thought? >> thank you, wolf. yeah, which is why when edward snowden claims when he went to hong kong, no way that the foreign government, which is china in this case, had access to what he had on his computer, is a little hard to fathom. i know that when i go to china, i should take what's called a clean cell phone or no cell phone. >> yeah, that's what a lot of people do. thanks very much. we'll see you back here in washington next week. thank you. the partial government shutdown wasn't a downer to everyone. sarah palin appears to be re-energized by the shutdown and

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just getting a statement in from the department of health and human services. respaubding to congressman darrell issa, the house investigation committee chairman, who has subpoenaed information from the department of health and human services about the obama care website and all the problems that have developed. the statement basically says they'll cooperate, since the government reopened oun october 17th we have been engage ed in discussions to understand the response and look forward to continue working coopera rerate

satisfy their interest in the matter. we'll see how that unfolds in the coming days and weeks. >> the 16 day partial government shutdown had a negative affect on a lot of people, but sarah palin wasn't one of them. it appears to have re-energized the former vice presidential nominee, and given her a new political torch to carry into the 2014 elections. our national political reporter has been covering this story for us. excellent reporting, cnn.com. what's going on? sarah palin is coming out of this government shutdown, trying to score some points. >> absolutely. the tea party movement came out on the losing side of this battle, but people like ted cruz, sarah palin, they know the conservative base feels emboldened by this, and sarah palin was in communication with ted cruz and mike lee throughout this process. she came to washington, as the video showed, to a rally at the world war ii memorial that was

temporarily shut down. she wants to get involved in these races in republican primaries and potentially some of the big senate campaigns in kentucky, tennessee, mississippi, south carolina, where you have incumbent republican senators like mitch mcconnell, for example, running against insurgent conservative tea party candidates, and sarah palin once again wants to make a splash like she did in 2010 and in some races in 2012 and get involved in the races. >> she's obviously now aligned with the tea party supporters across the country. she thinks she can make a difference. here's the question. is there any indication she wants to get directly involved in politics recollection run herself for office? >> i think that's off the table. she could have made a play in the iowa caucuses. she had a rot of buzz and support. but no, i don't think she wants to run for office, for the white house again. her name came up to run for the alaska senate seat next year. that's not going to happen. what she wants to do, again, is

play right in her strike zone, fire up the conservative gra grassroots, the tea party movement against the so-called establishment and play in a lot of the primaries. >> she wants to be a player, basically, sort of influence a lot of the races even if it irritates some moderate republicans or establishment republican incumbents. >> abslot lay, and one interesting thing, talk to anyone in the political professional class and political parties in washington, they think sarah palin is a joke. they want her to go away. they don't think she's relevant, however, i e-mailed a bunch of people in the campaigns and they did not want to pick a fight with sarah palin. they know in a conservative state, she can move the needle. she really still can even though a lot of people in the political class don't think she's relevant. >> if you're an incumbent, you have to worry about sarah palin. >> that's still the case. >> peter, good reporting. thanks very much. one of our political reporters. you can read more of what he's

writing on cnn.com. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back, 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." in the meantime, "newsroom" continues right now with brooke baldwin. wolf blitzer, thank you so much. happy friday to all of you. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin the hour with new revelations in one of the most sensational crimes really of the late 20th century. it has been nearly 17 years and still no one has been charged in the murder of 6-year-old jonbenet ramsey. but today, for the first time in this case, we have these four pages of grand jury documents that have now been released. the bombshell, the grand jury wanted to indict the little beauty queen's parents, john and patsy ramsey, on charges of child abuse resulting in death, and being an accessory to the crime. district attorney said, quote, can't do it. not enough evidence. that was back in 1999. but you know, years and years passed. jonbenet's parents were suspected