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the long-term prognosis with that relationship with john fleming, louisiana's family doctor of the year and then ezial emanuel, a former health care policy adviser to the obama administration. then onward. >> you look fired up to make the next push, to make sure we get immigration reform done. >> his legacy law entangled inside a half billion lines or so of computer code, the president pushes immigration reform. tone deaf or spot on politics? and election days loom in new jersey and virginia. what 2013 will tell us about 2014. our political panel sorts it all out. this is "state of the union." good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. the polite world of diplomacy is rocked by a document dumped from nsa leaker edward snowden revealing the u.s. spied on 30 world leaders including friends.

the german magazine "isn't piegel"" report that for a decade the nsa monitored german chancellor angela merkel's phone calls. she placed what's been described as an angry phone call to president obama. our cnn chief national security correspondent joins me now. jim, the administration said everybody spies on everybody. it is their push back. the reaction says to me that it is not what friends and allies expected. >> no question. this is beyond public posturing. you have a german del indication of officials coming here this week to discuss the limits on this. you can see the administration admitting to some overreach herement all week long administration officials were promising a review in their words to get a better balance between security concerns and

privacy concerns which would indicate that they haven't got that balance right. moved a step forward on friday when the president's homeland security adviser wrote in usa today that president instructed the nsa to be going after intelligence because we need it, not just because we can. so it seems the administration is acknowledging this has been a step too far, although they also made the point that, wait a second, this kind of thing does go on. >> mr. snowden is quite the treasure-trove of information. it seems to me that the real danger here may not be yes, listened in however horrible she feels it was to chancellor merkel. but the idea of what did the chancellor provide the u.s.? >> and more sensitive relationships. further releases from snowden will reveal intelligence cooperation with other countries. think of countries in south asia and middle east providing help on the most sensitive targets. it's revealed how deeply they're involved with the u.s. that can be more damaging at home. that's a real concern. it also could be more damaging to these key intelligence relationships. you remember the snowden release of diplomatic cables which cast a paul over some of the diplomatic information sharing relationships, something i ran into during my time at the

embassy in china. and that was a problem. you can imagine more damage from revelations like this because the information is more sensitive. the relationships are more sensitive. the administration clearly cares because they're sending out warnings to these countries. >> thank you for joining us this morning. joining me now, congressman mike rogers. he is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. congressman, thanks for joining us. it seems that there is no end to these revelations that increasingly look as though they may be damaging at least to u.s. relations with friends. scale of 1-10 if can you do it, how damaging is it for the german chancellor or french president to know that we've been keyed into their phone calls? >> well, i think the bigger news story here would be, candy, if the united states intelligence services weren't trying to collect information that would protect u.s. interests both home and abroad, number one. but number two, here's the most frustrating thing about this, i think is so important to understand. so the problem with the french is the greatest example to me.

so there was a one slide that the news media was provided and those who were interpreting it to the news media saw that the word france was on the top of it and started a huge amount of discussion about americans collecting phone calls in france with french citizens. that is 100% wrong. and that's why this is so dangerous. so when you just go and do a smash and grab, grab a whole bunch of information, see the word france, they misinterpreted some of the acronyms at the bottom of the slide and saw this 70 million phone call figure, this was about a counter-terrorism program that had nothing to do with french citizens. >> on the other hand, are you saying -- >> but, listen. this is why it's so important, candy. that's just wrong. and so now you've created an international incident on something that's absolutely wrong and incorrect. and that's why we need to be very careful as we move forward in this debate and this discussion. >> so you think it's entirely

appropriate for the u.s. to have monitored the phone calls of a very strong u.s. ally in angela merkel? you think that's appropriate? >> well, i would tell you this, the intelligence services of which was outlined in some of the so-called disclosures doesn't necessarily fit with what is actually happening. right? so it's not an exact correct interpretation of what they're seeing. they're seeing three or four pieces of 1,000 piece puzzle and wanted to come to a conclusion. then talk about the individual decisions on what is and what isn't collected. think about this. in the 1930s, we had this debate before. we decided we were going to turn off our ability to even listen to friends who have, you know, remember, sometimes our friends have relationships with our adversaries. and we say we're not going to do any of those kinds of things. that is not appropriate.

look what happened in the '30s, the rise of fascism and communism. we didn't see any of it. it resulted in the death of really tens of millions of people. and our argument is, all right, let's -- we need to be respectful and we also need to be -- and we need to be accurate. it needs to be overseen. and we need to make sure that we're not collecting information we don't need. but we should collect information that is helpful to the united states' interests. >> you don't know what information you need until you get it, do you? >> well, that's true. but there's a reason that the president of the united states' blackberry is encrypted. there's a lot of people that would like to get the conversations. >> so do you think germany is tapping into the president's phone calls? do you think germany is looking at the president's blackberry? >> well, here's the one thing that i learned in this -- through these discussions and discussions with my european friends and allies. believe me, they're still friends and allies. nobody should make that distinction. they don't have necessarily the

same type of oversight of their intelligence services that we do. and their government is -- their compartmentalization is much smaller than ours. we have a separate but equal branch of government involved in the oversight plus all the executive branch oversight of our intelligence services. by the way, we have to get court orders for certain activities for phone collection and other things. so you have all of this levels of oversight so you have a big group of people sitting at the table deciding what we should do is right or wrong. they don't have that in our european capitals. and some of this has been shocking not to the intelligence services of which some of these disclosures but certainly to the government of which they work. to me, that's the biggest issue here. i think they need to have a better oversight structure in europe. i think they would be enlightened to find out what their intelligence services may or may not be doing. >> so our spying on them is essentially their fault because their spying isn't as good. is that what you're saying? >> no.

no. no, i wouldn't say that. listen, our intelligence services are designed to collect information that allow the united states to protect itself in all cases. and -- again, think about where we are right now. it's called the world wide web, right? so we are now engaged in a level of communication around the world that we've never seen before. and that includes phone calls and other things. so a bad guy in afghanistan can use networks in france or germany or great britain or the united states and plan operations with somebody else who may be in afghanistan. but you could still use all of those networks. so the complication of what the united states' intelligence services are doing is so much more difficult than it was even ten years ago. but what we have to understand is that, again, and that french slide tells really should make everyone stop and pause for a second. if it wasn't french citizens and

it was a counterterrorism program, maybe we should say there is something more to that. i would argue that if the french citizens knew exactly what that was about, they would be applauding and popping champagne corks. it's a good thing. it keeps the french safe. it keeps the u.s. safe. it keeps our european allies safe. >> let me move you on to -- >> this whole notion that we're going to go after each other on what is really legitimate protection of nation-state interest i think is disingenuous. >> let me move you quickly to saudi arabia and recent signals and, in fact, sound from saudi officials saying we need to distance ourselves from the u.s. particularly on syria, particularly on iran. we are now learning that syria has met, according to officials, its first deadline on a plan for destroying its chemical weapons. but i want to bring to your attention a quote from saudi prince who said this week, "the

current char raid of international control over chemical arsenal would be funny if it were not so blatantly perfidious. and designed not only to give mr. obama an opportunity to back down from military strikes and also help assad butcher his people." first of all, what do you make of the current state of u.s.-saudi fears. and second of all, is this a charade? >> two things. this thing has been developing over the last two years. the audis were trying to organize the arab league to come together on a solution in syria. two years ago they wanted american smart soft power engaged meaning intelligence, training, leadership. that didn't happen. everybody wanted to make sure we tried to stay as far away from what was a regional growing conflict as they could. i thought it was not a good decision by the administration at that time. and so this -- as it has gotten worse, and it has gotten worse,

the situation on the ground today is not even close to what it was two years ago. so here's what the saudis saw. they saw a quick rush to deal with the russians when they thought that the president was not in a good place. so this is their perception on this chemical weapons agreement. and they saw a quick rush to the sweet talk of mr. rahani from iran about his ability to slow down the nuclear program. those are critical issues to the saudis, to the jordanians and to others in the arab league that i think rattled their fact in the administration's ability to protect them in a very dangerous world. and so what you see is that friction starting to take hold and we have to repair this and repair it soon. we have to have allied in the middle east. it's good for our national security interests. and seeing that fraying means that they haven't -- they are starting to doubt what we have been doing for the last 60

years, which was to be certain with our allies and be strong with our adversaries. and they're seeing that equation that has served us well for last 60 years start to fall apart. they're going to find other friends. i argue that's not good for the united states. >> on the subject of health care, you are hearing this week that you expressed again your real fear about the security of obama care as we call it, especially with the hub with seven federal entities gathering information in one place. we're now told that they should have the computer system and the software fixed by the end of november. can they fix the security problems by the end of november? >> boy, i don't -- this worries me a lot, candy. the fact that they have different segments of people controlling pieces of information and they say, well, we don't store information but they have to store your application at some point and that's a lot of your very personal information. and it was very clear to me in the hearing that they do not have an overarching solid cyber

security plan to prevent the loss of private information. i'm even more concerned today than i was even last week. i know that they've called in another private entity to try to help with the security of it. the problem is they may have to redesign the entire system. the way the system is designed, it is not secure. it is something called a boundary. every time one agency goes to another agency with a piece of information, that is called a boundary. that's the most -- that's the weakest, most vulnerable part of that conversation and it's clear to me that they don't have those boundaries secure and that's what i'm concerned about. >> congressman mike rogers, thank you so much. here's something some republicans and democrats can agree on. it's not just healthcare.gov. >> the affordable care act is not just a website. it's much more. >> this is more than a website problem. we're also concerned about what happens next. will enrollment glitches become provider payment glitches?

>> what does happen next? my guests know a thing or two about health care politics. they join me next.

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he was a health policy adviser to the obama administration from 2009 to 2011. and republican congressman john fleming, a vocal critic of obama care, he is also a physician and named louisiana family doctor of the year in 2007. gentlemen, thank you so much. i want to get to the crux of obama care and that relationship in how the medical system is changing. but a question on the dynamics of what is going on. as i think we all know, it's been kind of a mess for people trying to sign up. and i wanted to bring something to the secretary of health and human services secretary said when asked should she resign? >> the majority of people calling for me to resign i would say are people that i don't work for and who do not want this program to work in the first place. >> so congressman, i know you have called for her resignation. you have been equally critical of how this launch has gone. do you think that it's time for someone else to be in charge, that someone really should be fired over this mess? >> well, that's not my choice. that's the president's choice. what i do think is that we

should focus on getting the website right and i think the president has taken the first right november of appointing a ceo-like figure to get it moving. he's got a lot of managerial experience. he's been a consultant to the health care industry. i think he's got the right qualifications. i would also like to see the president appoint someone permanently because jeff zions has a job coming up as director of the national economic council. we need someone who is going to see this website over the next two years and make sure that it is constantly revised and constantly upgraded. that i think is appropriate. >> do you think, congressman, that certainly the secretary has a case that many of her critics, and there are some democratic ones, have never wanted obama care to take effect anyway. and it sort of discounts your criticism -- one's criticism of this, the republican party, because, you know, how seriously

do you take that criticism when you don't want it to go into effect? >> candy, americans demand accountability. secretary sebelius is obviously not taking accountability for this. she says the people that want her to resign she doesn't work for. i hate to tell you, but i'm a taxpayer. she workforce me. she's a public servant. i'm a public servant. i work for the american people. >> but are you a messenger, do you think? the republicans have tried so hard to derail the president's affordable care act. now anything you do is seen as, yeah, well, it's -- >> not at all the case. what we've done is try to protect the american people from the damaging effects. and now after three weeks we're beginning to see those damaging effects. we never had input to this law to begin with. we tried to tell her all along she was a big cheerleader for this. please, work with us. instead she said, no, we don't want to hear from republicans on this. >> can i -- >> can i set the record straight? when we were trying to pass this law in 2009, when i was working

on this law, we had a number of hearings in both houses of congress. senator baucus worked with republicans for nine months from january all the way through the end of august trying to get a bipartisan bill. they absolutely refused. let me say a second thing. during that time, we tried to have a republican -- find out the republican plan that would increase access to all americans, hold down health care costs and improve the quality of the system through a uniform standard. there was never a republican plan. the idea that they wanted to work us with is just false. >> okay. i don't want to get bogged down in this. >> remember the president said i will go line by line with any members of congress. we wrote him letters a number of times and he shut the door in our face. >> let me move this along, because i want to take advantage of both of your experiences as a physician. i have talked to a number of

primary care physicians over the past couple of weeks. every one of whom, democrat or republican, has said i think this is the end of a guy hanging out his shingle and being the family physician. there is no room in here. that medicare is not enough to keep them alive. i heard all the fears. he says yes, you say no. >> so here's where how the system is going to improve. first of all, if you look at massachusetts when they enhanced their system under governor romney and had a 600,000 more people move in, the massachusetts medical society did assessments on the waiting time. no change for primary care, no change for specialists. so this idea that we're going to have a shortage is not right. >> listen to the shortage as is it profitable to be -- i mean they have to make money. they have huge bills coming out of medical school, both of you know that. so the question is, is it going to be profitable to be a primary care physician?

>> for someone who is a primary care physician and has to pay the bills even today, i can tell you first of all the massachusetts system, the waiting list gets longer and longer. >> that is incorrect. >> half of the primary care doctors are not accepting new patients. but to your point, candy, medicare reimbursements keep going down. the workload in terms of paperwork and all that keeps going up. we have an unprecedented number of primary care doctors that are opting out of medicare. and so, look, you're going to walk into the doctor's office one day with a card that says i'm entitled to health care and the doctor is not going to be able to accept it. >> i don't think there is any evidence to that fact. in fact, scott gottlieb, who is from the american enterprise institute of conservative the other day said no doctor shortage and no increased lines. and there's no evidence to that effect. let me also say a word about quality. let me say a word about quality.

the bill can improve the quality of the system and already has. for example, the number of hospital acquired infections because hospitals have to improve and focus on them. otherwise, they get their payment decreased. readmission rates before the bill, 20%. we've already seen them come down to 17 1/2 percent. all of those are true. i'm just giving you the facts. >> these are not factually true at all. the primary care doctors are more disspirited today than i've ever seen them in history much it's really terrible what's going on out there. >> and there is some fear not just among doctors. i have heard the same kind of thing and surely you have and perhaps explained it to them in different way but them saying i can't say any more medicare patients. you know, i have doctors say i will keep my guys. my guys i have now. i'm not taking any more medicare patients. then what?

>> look, that issue of how the physician-patient relationship is going to change. there's no doubt it's going to change. >> in what way? i think much for the better. you're going to have more of a team. you're going to have nurse practitioners and physicians and pharmacists. you're going to have nutritionists advising patients. the second thing is a lot more care is going to be moved into the home out of the hospital which is very appropriate. we're going to have a lot more ability to monitor people in the home. fewer infections, fewer falls, and a big cost savings. >> this is coming from someone who doesn't see patients. talk to me. i can tell you.

>> i'm in oncology. >> i have a practice today that still operates. we have three nurse practitioners. i'm telling every year that goes by we have to analyze what our pay rate is. can we take medicaid? can we take medicare? this is happening all across the country. >> we have a health care system that is $2.8 trillion. it's got more than enough money. the issue isn't money here. the issue delivering efficient care and making sure that we have the right care at the right place. >> i will say that some of the -- >> it does not create efficient care. >> one of the things that i also hear and this mostly from on the patient side is that when the president said over and over and over again if you like your health care, you can keep it. and now of course we're hearing lots of insurance companies are dropping patients who don't -- who have health care plans that don't meet the standards of obama care. so they are going to change doctors. are they not? >> millions of americans have had surgeries canceled in the last few weeks. >> the insurance plans are not worth the paper they're written on. many of them exclude key things. >> that is totally false. >> we would not allow -- excuse me.

are you going to allow me to finish? >> you are doing all the talking. filibustering is not going to win your argument here, sir. >> we would not allow unsafe cars without seat belts, without air bags on the roads. similarly, we should not allow health plans out there that are really not health plans. mcdonald's offered a plan that they sold to their people for $50 that will entitle them to $2,000 worth of coverage. that is not a health plan. certain kinds of care, like maternity, is not a health plan. you don't have a minimum standard. can you not have no pre-existing conditions and guaranteed issue which is what we want. >> i'll give you the last word here. >> well, i would say again, dr. emanuel, he's not a physician in the classic sense in terms of actually seeing patients. he doesn't know what's happening in the health care economy. he sits behind a desk reading all of the studies and he's dreaming. >> i have a certificate from a medical school. >> again, please don't interrupt me. he was an architect for this law. i don't blame him for being defensive. >> but the people are experiencing all of the damage from this health care law.

>> would you concede that people that do not have health care, 30 million, 40 million, whatever it currently is. >> 50 million. >> 50 million, will be helped by this. and that's not a bad thing. >> the cbo says that number will never go below 30 million americans. >> the fact that of the matter is, all of us are -- >> the cbo says that. >> all of us are hurting from high health care costs and uneven quality. the bill is going to repair those things and the republicans never had a bill to repair those things. >> we have meaningful -- >> i'll have you back, i promise. doctors, thank you so much for being here. we appreciate both of you. coming up, president obama wants you to know this is important. >> it's good for our economy. it's good for our national security. it's good for our people. and we should do it this year. >> he's talking about immigration. where did that come from? weekdays are for rising to the challenge.

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please welcome our roundtable. ross, a cnn political commentator and "new york times" columnist. welcome all. >> thank you so much. >> it seems to me with have parallel universes in operation now. we have the president out on the road talking about immigration and education and politics, raising money. and then we had ted cruz talking health care in iowa. so who's on -- who's on message here? is the president clearly trying to shift the focus but does it work? >> i think they're both on message. look, ted cruz ran for president. that is fairly clear. and to those whose republican

caucus goers in iowa which is a different animal, he is very much on message to the grassroots. the president is on message. he is not running for office again. he has a broader agenda he's trying to move. look, we're that leading democracy in the world, well, before shutdowns. we can chew gum and walk at the same time. we can deal with multiple issues at the same time. >> nothing is going to happen on immigration reform. probably nothing going to happen period. but certainly nothing is going to happen on immigration reform until that moment around thanksgiving when the white house officials stands up and says here is why the website is fixed or here is why it isn't. >> i'll challenge you. why can't we do it? look, immigration -- look. aca has been debated as mccain said and republicans often debate, why can't republicans move to immigration reform? >> it is not going to be acted upon until early next summer at best. they refuse to engage on this

issue until and unless they clear the primaries. at the same time, the president is trying to change the subject with immigration reform away from the health care website debacle. he probably shouldn't. he really probably should see this through, continue to assure the american public. and actually spend the taxpayer dollars that he is spending on immigration reform appearances trying to get young and healthy people enrolled in this system. >> in the end, i mean, we had an abc news/"washington post" poll and asked -- the question was, the health care website problems are a sign of broader problems. 55%. isolated incident, 40%. this will look like nothing if no one signs up. no one is going to care that the computer didn't work. >> obviously the website can presumably get fixed in the future. but the white house has a window. it was originally six months and

we get a certain number of people and a certain number of specific kind of person young, healthy, middle class to sign up for the health care law. >> this is the problem with this. this is a problem with this story. you go back to a couple years and you heard speaker boehner talking about horrendous rollout of a program and he is talking about prescription drugs. these don't necessarily roll out well. this is the problem with the story. this is a process sorry. this is about the process. you're missing the forest for the trees. it's not about a process. >> it's about discouraging people. >> this is what is different from medicare part b. the prescription drug benefit. the design of this system is built around getting a certain number of people to use the website and sign up. so the rollout wouldn't matter if it was -- >> are you telling me that we can't fix a website? are you telling me -- >> i'm not the one telling you that. >> the problem is not the website. yes, we have a problem trying to get people enrolled.

but the value of -- >> it undermines it, does it not? >> ross is right. it's a fundamental structural issue. they needed a great start. you could have had glitches later. you needed to get people pouring into the system because the sick are pouring into the exchanges. now you need young, healthy people to balance out the risks and to really keep it affordable. without those people, those consumers, it's not affordable anyway. >> he is right. >> there is time. >> we've seen this before. and we've seen this before. guess where we saw it? we saw it in massachusetts where the bulk of the people signed up for massachusetts, they signed up towards the end. >> it wasn't as polarizing an issue. you weren't trying to sign up people on a national scale. you had -- >> it is a polarizing issue now. >> i have to stop you all here. more later. there is a tale of two republican parties and pair of upcoming governors elections. will it signal a head wind or tail wind for the party in 2014? >> people talk about

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have gubernatorial races. if we believe the polls, we'll see a republican victory of chris christie in new jersey and a virginia democratic victory for terry mcall livuliffe, a frf bill's. i want to play you something from new jersey and play you sound that we just got in in a pro-christie ad. >> he's a good man. excuse me. he's a great man. please join me in supporting chris christie. the governor. >> shaquille o'neal. what more would a guy want? >> not exactly going out on a limb endorsing a guy that is 30 points ahead. chris christie is -- are you calling shaq a coward? is that what you're saying? because he'll come down here. he won't fit in the seat, but he'll be here. >> i think the more interesting

and telling race here is virginia. chris christie is a phenomena. but what is going on in virginia is really interesting. frankly, you have a democrat opening up a ten-point advantage in a state that for years has been a lot more red than it has blue. you look at "the washington post" poll on this, the voters were angry at the republican party for closing down congress. i think this is where we see what happening in washington begins to affect what's going on in other states. >> but even before was down. >> it was where the shutdown. i think christie is not just a regular incumbent. i think he is a pretty special case. he's in a blue state. he's going to win a second term with 25 to 30 points. he didn't have a terrible democratic candidate. he just happens to be a real singular politician in this country right now. i think the presidential aspirations aside, it's going to be a very impressive election where lots of democrats in new jersey vote for christie. >> if a moderate wins in new jersey, a moderate republican

wins in new jersey, a democratic state, and a democrat who one would categorize as fairly liberal, i mean at least left of center, terry mcauliffe wins -- >> i think his ideology is his defining characteristic. >> but nonetheless, i mean what's the -- how are we going to interpret that? >> that's the point. you all have beaten us in virginia consistently by going ideological and democrats had to run as problem solvers. >> virginia is now a swing state, right? i think that is pretty clear. it's pretty clear that cuccinelli was too conservative to win statewide even before the shut down. cornell is right. there has been some ripple effect in part of the country that where government contracts are a big part of the economy. but i think cornell is downplaying a little too much, obviously, the significance of christie. you know, we talk about christie now as a moderate republican and so on. and he is relative to his

opponent ken cuccinelli. but he's not a traditional northeastern rockefeller republican. he has been very shrewd in positioning himself as someone would is capable of winning statewide in new jersey without, you know, running afoul of conservative groups on a lot of issues. >> i agree with all of that. but that doesn't necessarily play out well for him, does it? >> look, the 2016 primary is going to be very, very interesting and if ted cruz beats chris christie, then you probably are headed for a more cuccinelli-style national election. but i don't think that that's necessarily going to be the case. and there are going to be a lot of other people in the field as well to make things interesting. >> talk about women in virginia. there were just critical for president obama twice. i think virginia democrats have been very good playing the female card. >> oh, i do. but cuccinelli fell right into

that trap again. just a poor republican candidate not only tainted by the mcdonnell handle but swing voters, including women, and it's really a mistake, i think -- the right candidate could have won virginia this year, running on obama care, et cetera. >> cornell, hold that thought. we'll be back. up next, a bipartisan agreement in the least likely place. why some democratic senators are joining their colleagues across the aisle to ask the president to delay part of his landmark legislation.

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care. >> it's not a delay. >> that's right. you can't say delay if you're a democrat. you can say extension. >> extension. >> will the president or the white house extend the deadline for signing up, the deadline for finding people? will that happen? >> i don't know if the president will extend it or not. however, again, we're getting caught up in the process here. and this is the value. you know, you have nearly 700,000 people are trying to sort -- sign up for this already. you have millions of people who, for the first time, working-class people, have the freedom to sort of get in the free-marketplace and get health care insurance. what republicans want to do, they want to roll this back and kill this, and take the freedom away from these working-class people and give it right back to the insurance company, quite frankly, is a campaign line i would love for democrats to run on. you know what's more popular

right now than republicans? obama care. the interesting thing coming out of this two weeks of shutdown is that obama care has actually risen, and while republicans' numbers have dropped. >> if you are a democrat in the senate, and you represent a state that mitt romney won well and obama did not do well in, your constituents are calling and saying, this is so confusing. when will i get fined? how will i be penalized? what's going on here? you're going to push for the extension. and at some point, because president obama's administration has extended and wavered so much of this law, i have a feeling we'll see more extensions. >> again, to go back to my dispute with cornell, the issue is the policy is the process, and the process is the policy, because you have to get so many people signed up for it to work. so the white house isn't going to follow the senators' lead just yet, but in three weeks, if they're looking at the website, and saying, well, the kinks will be worked out by january 1st, they'll do exactly that, push things back. on the point about insurance

companies, right now, the insurance companies of america are hoping desperately that obama care works, that this website starts working. because they -- >> they're in, they're taking on people with -- >> the insurance company will win regardless. the question is, not whether insurance companies win. the question is, whether working-class americans can afford to get health care. >> and so, in the end, flash forward a year from now, will we be talking about obstructionist republicans or will we be talking about the health care not working? >> i hope they're talking about -- well, here's the thing, we'll be talking -- the democrats will be talking about obstructionist republicans and extremism. the republicans right now, i don't know what they'll run on, because they say no all of the time. >> very hard for democrats to defend obama care a third election in a row. >> we'll be talking about obama care, it won't look as bad as it does now. but we'll be talking about it. >> thank you, all three of us. appreciate you being here. thank you all for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. head to the website for analysis. if you missed any part of the show, find us on itunes just

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