"outfront" next, a lousy day for obama care. >> convicted felon could be a navigator and could acquire sensitive personal information

from an individual unbeknownst to them. >> that is possible. >> the president holds an urgent meeting of the faithful. plus this may sound like a compliment. >> governor christie has certainly shown a way of winning in new jersey and states like new jersey. i congratulated him on that. >> but it isn't. >> and did the coaches put him up to it? >> i think if you would have asked john martin a week before who his best friend on the team was he would have said richey incognito. >> the hazing of a 300 pound man. is there a nfl code red for hazing? >> and good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. just in the president again defending his signature health care law in texas, the heart of republican country for now. his message, though, is starting to sound pretty familiar. and it wasn't the only time he was on the defensive today. he's now answering to critics and members of his own party. i want to get to jim acosta at

the white house right away. jim, he's talking in dallas moments ago. i'm the first to say i haven't been happy. he's trying to defend himself. and trying to talk about the whole pledge he made right you get to keep your plan, like your plan you get to keep it. >> right. >> but he is on the defense. >> reporter: absolutely, erin. i think you heard that earlier this week when he was talking to his post-campaign team of volunteers. and you heard it tonight. he was down in dallas talking to a group of navigators, those are the people who have been hired by the administration, very important people, i might add, to help people enroll for insurance through obama care. why are those people necessary? because the web site is not working, which gets to the president's comments. he once again said that he's not happy with the way that the web site is working right now, that people are working 24/7 overtime as he put it to get it fixed. he sort of compared it to a product in a supermarket that you can't buy because you can't get into the store. but at the same time, something very newsworthy happened, erin.

that is the president at one point said during his remarks that we anticipate the web site is going to be working the way it's supposed to by the end of this month. that is interesting, because up on capitol hill earlier today health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius was not sounding very confident. i mean, she was basically saying going to have it done by the end of the month. but she also said they have an aggressive checklist to go through, an aggressive timeline to meet. sort of putting out this feeling that perhaps it may not happen in time. but president said in dallas, this is happening in time. the other important thing, erin, the president did not go back and try to clean up that line if you like your plan you can keep it. he did not try to revise that line as he did the other night. perhaps an indication that they know that cleanup job was not going too well. >> and let me just ask you this, jim. the hits keep on coming for the health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius. sort of died down a little bit. maybe i'm exaggerating but felt a little bit and now gaining

heat again on capitol hill again, getting a tough grilling. what exactly happened there? >> reporter: she was pressed by senators throughout this hearing about the various problems with the web site, the veracity of the president's comments when he said if you like your plan you can keep it. republicans were accusing the administration basically of lie together american people. but at one point senator richard burr from north carolina was pressing sebelius on what the enrollment numbers are going to be like because of all these problems. she acknowledged they're not going to be that great. here's what she had to say. >> what is the october through the end of december target enrollment? >> senator, there are all kinds of different target enrollments that i think there was a memo internally that called for about 1 million people to be enrolled through december. but i really -- we're updating those targets. i can tell you our early enrollment numbers are going to be very low. >> and just to give you a sense as to perhaps heads might be

starting to roll here in washington, the man who was in charge of technology over at a key agency inside hhs that was developing the web site, that person stepped down earlier today, erin, an early sign perhaps that perhaps some accountability is coming for people who were involved in building that web site, erin. >> accountability coming. a lot of people, democrats now are worried about whether this is going to taint them. the question to you is there was a closed door meeting, urgent meeting at the white house with the president and his quote unquote faithful, top democrats. do you know what happened? . they're concerned, worried about what's going to happen. nearly all the senators who met with the president today behind closed doors. by the way an unannounced meeting at the white house. 15 senators up for re-election next year in those crucial mid-terms, they were pressing the president on what's going to be done about the web site, when is it going to be fixed, what about some of these security concerns that have been raised. i talked to a democratic staffer with knowledge of that meeting who said that this meeting would not have happened if it were not

for the political concerns about the impact of obama care on their re-election chances. it's interesting to note that as the president was having this meeting with this group of senators, erin, white house officials were on twitter basically saying that the obama care impact was not that serious. for terry mcauliffe down in virginia. there was all this speculation and chatter today that perhaps terry mcauliffe won by that razor thin margin because of the impact of obama care on his election chances. as the white house was trying to throw cold water on that notion today, the president was having this meeting behind closed doors. that is a very huge sign that they're concerned about this at the white house and among democrats up on capitol hill, erin. >> jim acosta, thank you very much. the white house is fighting that story and extremely concerned about it. our other top story tonight is what's going on in the republican side of the aisle. chris christie versus marco rubio. the new jersey governor won a landslide victory last night in his race for re-election. but is he counting his 2016 chickens before they hatch? senator rubio of course is another likely contender for the

gop nomination. he spoke with our dana bash today. and he thinks christie has far from locked it up. >> it's important to remember every race is particular to the state that it's run in. so there are factors in new jersey that i think are individual to that race. and clearly he was able to speak to that and to the hopes and aspirations of people within new jersey. and that's good. that's important. we want to win everywhere we can. and governor christie has certainly shown a way of winning in new jersey and states like new jersey because of the work he's done there as governor as well. so i congratulated him on that. so you're saying that his win in a blue state like new jersey wouldn't translate to a more red state or even more of a swing state? >> look, every election is different. >> look. every election is different. let's bring in dana bash. dana, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement from marco rubio. the aftermath of a huge win for christie. rubio of course another extremely popular, likely presidential candidate. >> erin, he was careful to congratulate chris christie

multiple times in my interview and note they have a good relationship. but you're right. that answer you just played, he said the words new jersey four times in two sentences. didn't even try to subtle in hi attempt to remind people before they go coronating chris christie as the 2016 candidate he won in that one state where he is well-known and well-liked. still, the virginia candidate for governor that rubio campaigned for, ken cuccinelli, polls show even republicans were turned off by tea party tactics. >> the republican party has taken some hits with the shutdown and other things and sort of the movement from which you came has also taken some hits. how do you square that? do you think that maybe you all have made a couple of mistakes, tactically, strategically, that has hurt the republican party? >> well, i think everyone's take an big hit. obama care is the biggest hit anyone's taken around this town.

that's a rolling series of hits that's not going to hit the democratic party but the american people. >> let's focus on the -- >> everyone around here is paying a political price because people are grossed out by washington. >> if everybody's grossed out by washington, how can a senator run for president? >> well, i don't know of any senators that are running for president. >> you don't? >> i don't. those are decisions people make later. but i think you can work in washington without being of washington. luckily i think i haven't been here long enough to believe what goes on around here is normal. >> so there you see he said he doesn't think that he's been in washington that long. he understands that what goes on around here is not normal. i think that's probably the understatement of the day. >> certainly. dana, now today chris christie sounded almost like a democrat on a key issue. i have to play this for you. he was asked a response on same secretary of state couples who have gotten married in his state. something he ardently opposed and the republican base opposes.

here's what he said today. >> i'm happy for them if they're happy. the same way i'm happy for any couple who gets married if they're happy. >> again i'm like whoa, whoa, whoa, warp time zone, all right? that is not what you expect from a base-oriented republican candidate. would we hear a comment like we just heard from chris christie from marco rubio? >> it's really hard to imagine marco rubio uttering those words. if you look at his position and comments on the issue he's really careful to walk a fine line. he supports states voting on gay marriage. he personally says he's catholic and believes marriage is for men and women but knows kids are raised in other settings and can do well. republican presidential candidates like marco rubio or paul ryan in the early 40s could be more comfortable with gay marriage than they let on. but having a let the states decide attitude shields them from backlash from the republican primary and caucus voters you were talking about,

erin. socially conservative even on gay rights. and the fact that chris christie said that, i think that might be if he does throw his hat in the ring might be coming to an ad near you in 2016 and maybe in the state of iowa. >> that's interesting you say that. dana, thank you very much. as she said, coming to an ad near you in the state of iowa. still to come, a tea party king in all respects. i'm talking about iowa. will fight them to the death? representative steve king outfront. the president said no chemical weapons in syria under any circumstances. he was willing to fight for this. is he about to cave? we have a special report next. and code red with the hazing of a 300-pound man under orders? new details tonight on a bizarre and disturbing story. see a worlg with opportunity, with ideas, with ambition. i'm thinking about china, brazil, india. the world's a big place. i want to be a part of it. ishares international etfs. access to developed markets, emerging markets and single countries. find out why nine out of ten large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs.

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our second story outfront, president obama's dilemma. this was supposed to be a diplomatic break through. the president avoided american military action in syria by making a deal on chemical weapons. the problem is the quote unquote deal was oversold. new concerns about what's going on. pentagon correspondent barbara starr is out front. >> i think that we have both a moral obligation and a national security interest in, a, ending the slaughter in syria, but b, also ensuring that we've got a stable syria. >> that was the president on may

7th after he found out the syrisir syrian government had gassed its own people. they avoided military action in syria but announced a deal that bashar al assad had agreed to turn over its chemical weapons. just a month ago secretary of state john kerry was full of optimism assad was giving up his 1,000 tons of chemical weapons for destruction. >> i think it's also a credit to the assad regime for complying rapidly as they are supposed to. >> reporter: but was it too rosy a picture painted too soon? >> i think the public wanted to be oversold. i think the congressional actors wanted to be oversold and the administration wanted to be oversold because you wanted to be out of it. >> reporter: just this week new tv quest about whether assad is telling truth. >> we obviously bring skepticism borne of years of dealing with that regime.

>> at the same time in washington, and the secretary has been praising it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. >> reporter: a red flag, cnn has learned there is intelligence suggesting assad may be hiding some of his chemical arsenal. the u.s., israel, france and the u.k. are all trying to figure out what is going on and if it could derail the agreement. the official u.s. policy, get just as much as possible of the stockpile out of syria. officials concede there's no certain way to rid syria of all of its chemical weapons. but complications continue to grow by the day. assad now wants an international inspection group to approve his plan to move the deadly stockpile, and he has a wish list to go along with it. in order to transport the weapons, the syrians have asked for heavy armored transport trucks, communications gear, and an agreement to use hundreds of troops to secure the roads. but one u.s. official is

sounding the alarm, telling cnn it could all be a ruse. the official says experts are going to have to look very thoroughly and cautiously at that list to make sure the equipment is not diverted to the syrian war. for "outfront" barbara starr, the pentagon. our third story outfront, a new report from the sun sent until newspaper reports that the miami dolphins coaches asked richey incognito to tough enup jonathan martin. martin left the team abruptly last week. reports have surfaced he was being bullied and hazed by incognito in a series of racist and violent text messages and voice mails. incognito has been suspended pending an investigation. but another team member says this story line doesn't add up. in our late developments today, ed laugh lavendara has them. >> reporter: his football career

with the miami dolphins in jeopardy, the muscled teddy bear as a friend described him looked thrilled to have a brand-new slick ferrari delivered to his ft. lauderdale home. while inside the miami dolphins training facility, incognito's teammates and coaches faced allegati questions about allegations of bullying. >> the type of culture that i've championed since the day that i walked through these doors has been one of honesty, respect, and accountability to one another. >> reporter: the national football league is investigating incognito's reported profanity-laced messages with racial slurs allegedly left for teammate jonathan martin. hey, wuzzup up you half n word piece of blank. you're still a rookie. i'll kill you some of them read. incognito has been suspended from the team indefinitely and isn't talking about the scandal. >> i'm just trying to weather the storm right now.

this will pass. >> reporter: martin left the team last week and hasn't commented publicly either about what some described as professional athlete hazing gone too far, others say it's inexcusable bullying. inside the dolphins locker room, many players say they were surprised by martin's allegations and even thought incognito considered martin his little brother. >> i think why if you would have asked john martin a week before who his best friend on the team was he would have said richey incognito. the first guy to stand up for jonathan when anything went down on the field, any kind of tussle richey was the first guy there. when they wanted to hang out outside of football, who was together, richey and jonathan. >> how do you explain this? >> i can't. i'm not in those guys' shoes. i can't explain what's going on. >> this is video of incognito erupting in a bizarre rage in a south florida bar earlier this year. incognito has a checkered reputation. he was released by the st. louis rams for arguing with the team's head coach.

and in a poll of nfl players by the sporting news magazine, he was once voted the dirtiest player in the league. but on the dolphins team, several players seem frustrated with jonathan martin. >> off the field that those two guys were thick as thieves. and that they went out together an hung out together. they did a lot of stuff together. so if he had a problem with the way that guy was treating him he had a funny way of showing it. >> and that was kind of the theme that we heard repeatedly from close to about ten players we had a chance to speak with late this afternoon. and without really coming out and saying as much, you really got the sense inside that locker room that many of the players kind of side with incognito in this story. >> all right. ed, thank you very much. trying to get to the bottom of that story. i still find is fascinating. still out front who is the worst mayor in history? in the wake of this whole crack incident going on in toronto we took a look. wow what did we find? i promise you this does not

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our fourth story outfront, a billionary's battle. this beach off-limits to everyone except this man. a friend of al gore, the past vice president, using his influence. >> mike wallace loves to surf martin's beach where three distinct surf breaks beckon off one of the most scenic, uncrowded beeps on the entire california coast. >> it's also protected from strong north swells and winds. and there are not too many spots up here north of santa cruz you're able to have that sort of beautiful clean waves like we're seeing today. >> reporter: the beach is book-ended by cliffs to the only land access is down this road. for decades the owner of the property surrounding martin's beach allowed the public to pay a small fee to reach the shore. but the new owner, a silicon

vail billionaire has closed the access road with a judge's blessing and painted over the sign that once welcomed people to martin's beach >> it as a confiscation of public resources. it's your beach. it's my beach. it's my children's beach. it's my children's children's beach. it's ours. for him to blanket it off and say i'm going to be mine now, that's absurd. >> reporter: redenbacher represents friends of martin beach which is suing to force the man who paid $58 million for the three acre property to open his gates. >> so we'll play devil's advocate here. i'm a private property owner. i spend a lot of my hard-earned money to buy a beautiful piece of land. i don't want the liability and the hassle of having who knows who coming through my land. >> in this case, there's been a history of nearly 100 years of public access to this beach. >> battle over public access to this beach has so far centered around complicated legal issues dating back to 1848 when the

united states first acquired california from mexico. in essence, a judge has ruled that federal law in effect at that time takes precedence over state law which guarantees public access to beaches. cosala would not speak to cnn. his attorney released this statement "we feel bad about the controversy surrounding martin's beach." but adds "no homeowners wish to have trespassers on their private property. we are pleased with this ruling and thankful for this clarification of our private property rights." >> we're not trying to keep him from developing it as long as it's environmentally friendly. since he's the king of green venture capital i would assume he would do that. >> reporter: the critics say his venture capital company specializes in green technology. he's rubbed elbows with president obama, al gore and other champions of the environment. >> the legal battle over public access to this beach is not over. the community members who lost in court plan to appeal, and a separate lawsuit has yet to be heard. erin? >> casey, thank you very much.

pretty amazing mstory when you think about it. we'll tell you the story of a woman who went missing for weeks only to be found dead in a hospital stairwell where she'd been the whole time. the story gets even worse. the late-breaking development tonight. then secret meetings about benghazi. why members of the house intelligence committee believe they're being stonewalled by the cia. our coverage continues. and does chris christie's big win in new jersey mean the death of the tea party? when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger.

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we have breaking news coming in. nine people have been shot at a detroit liquor store. this happened in just the past hour as you can see obviously the police and law enforcement vehicles around the liquor store. here's what we know. again as i said, nine people were shot, at least three of them are dead. six others have been transported to a hospital in detroit. and we don't know anything about the details of their conditions at this time. so i'm not able to tell you that. but we also don't know right now whether there was one or multiple shooters. police have not confirmed that. we're also unsure about arrests. obviously a lot of questions but the story is developing quickly. we're going to get you more information as we can. again that is a live picture you're looking at there the shooting of nine people at a liquor store in detroit a bit ago. how does a hospital lose track of a patient for two weeks? that patient's family getting answers very troubling. the body of 57-year-old lin spaulding was found in a stairwell at san francisco general last month two weeks after she disappeared from her

room. now according to preliminary sheriff's report that we have seen, not only was there a lack of urgency because spaulding was about to be discharged but hospital officials gave inaccurate descriptions of her like this. >> when asked by the deputy for a description, the caller said quote she's an african-american lady, 57 years old, female. she's wearing a hospital gown. twice during that conversation the deputy was told that the the missing woman was african-american and wearing a hospital gown. ms. ford was identified as a quote asian female in the log book. >> spaulding of course as you can see right here is neither african-american or asian. another lapse occurred during a search of the hospital grounds. that happened nine days after she went missing. it was apparently exhaustive. all 24 aches were searched except the stairwell where she was found. an update you'll recall the two florida inmates who were mistakenly released from prison last month. authorities now believe the fake

documents approving their release were created by a gang. >> we have confidence sources among the inmates that are telling us that the documents were actually jen rate, constructed within the walls of the prison, sent out and then sent forward to the clerk's office by at this point unknown people. >> officials right now are investigating a list of suspects, the convicted murderers themselves were recaptured as you may remember this whole incident at the hotel 15 days ago. and our fifth story outfront is the tea party's terrible horrible no good very bad election night. two big losses, the virginia governor's race and a runoff election in alabama where a tea party member ran against a republican establishment candidate who was already pretty conservative. you had conservative versus more conservative. has the tea party lost its power? because there are plenty in the republican party who hope so. and openly who think that a

dying tea party will allow the party to win a national race, ie the white house. out front now tea party favorite, republican congressman steve king of iowa. congressman, look, i appreciate it. i see you laughing. let me get straight to it. there are a lot of republicans you know this who are happy. they think these losses are the nail in your coffin. they want republicans to win a national election. they think they can do it only if you guys go away. that must make you unhappy. >> well, i listen to this dialogue. and it's pretty easy the morning after the election for people to spint results of it around to the preconceived misconceptions they had before the polls. i look around the country and there's one message coming out of new jersey, a different message coming up of virginia and different one coming out of alabama. what is the bottom line answer to this is that the tea party is stronger in some states and weaker in others. a month ago they were accused of having the power to shut down the united states federal government. and today they're talking about the death of the tea party. i this i that it's a little bit premature to say that. i think they've shown some

strength. >> interesting point. let me ask you it this way. in virginia obviously cuccinelli made obama care his platform. were you surprised at those losses last night? there has to be a little part of you that was disappointed. >> i was disappointed especially to see ken cuccinelli fall sort. he put up a tremendous effort in virginia. if you look at the numbers difference, it looks like in the calculations we've done today he was outspent more than $20 million and predicted he'd lose by double digits through most of the race. a three-way race with a libertarian candidate who tapped into i think cuccinelli more than he did mcauliffe substantially picking up 6.6% and still only lost by 2.5. at least as a moral victory, here's what i think it is. it's about full spectrum constitutional conservatives, the people who support the

economic agenda of the establishment wing of the party, the low taxes, strong social agenda and some of the libertarian agenda on the other side of the party. all of that together, i think your constitutional conservative candidate that fits the full spectrum is the stronger of all the candidates and they'll prevail if they have the personal magnetism like a chris christie especially. >> chris christie, let me ask you about this. chris christie obviously sailed in. but i don't know if you heard what he said today. he was talking about same sex couples. he said if they're happy i'm happy. doesn't really fit what what we hear from a lot of the socially conservative tea party members. what's interesting while he campaigned for you, nbc news reports he refused to campaign for cuccinelli. so kind of sounds like he doesn't really want to go there on the tea party. here's what he told cnn yesterday. >> there's a lot of principles about the tea party they agree with and have governed in new jersey in a way that's consistent with a lot of that. but some of the stuff that's happened of late down in washington, i think, is not

evenly consistent with what a lot of the real folks who started the tea party movement would agree with. >> i mean, he said that and congressman like i said he also made the point if a gay couple's happy being married he's happy for them. our dana bash said look you're going to hear that statement in an ad in iowa in the caucuses. will the influential base in your state embrace a chris christie come 2016 if he's seen as sort of pro-gay marriage and not really into the tea party? >> well, we're going to see that that statement on chris christie, take it for what it said on his face. if they're happy i'm happy. in other words, he accepted the i'll say the position of gay marriage existing in new jersey. we've had to make accommodations for that in iowa. we have some experience with that. but he didn't endorse gay marriage. the tea party themselves, i've been in many discussions with them and tried to argue to the contrary, they say we want to stay with the economic and constitutional issues not the social agenda. so i don't know that gay marriage can be assigned as

something the tea party necessarily opposes, although certainly a significant percentage of its members do. but yes, about that's going to be interesting. i know chris christie has been in iowa twice. he was well received both times. he does have this tremendous personal magnetism, different than any of the candidates i've met. like any other candidate i would encourage him and the rest of those potential candidates and he is a potential candidate at this point, too, come to iowa, let's test it out. my personal belief is this. if you can take the best combination of nature and nurture that would be the ideal president and put them in the oval office of the white house today, they wouldn't be neither president they would be after they went through the crucible of the nomination process. it forces you to build an organization, to raise the money, to go out there and sell yourwares and shape your platform. they'll be a lot better president after they've gone through iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, florida and beyond. we'll see if chris christie can stand up to that. he could become a tremendous figure on the public stage. there are a number of other

candidates also that will be competing in that arena. and i welcome them all to iowa. >> all right. well, thank you very much, congressman. always good to talk to you. our seventh story outfront is demanding answers on benghazi. it's been more than a year since the deadly attack at the american embassy. of course, lawmakers say they are still waiting for the truth. no one yet held accountable. tonight cnn is learning about some key unanswered questions. drew griffin is outfront digging into the benghazi investigation. drew, where are the new concerns coming from? >> reporter: they are concerns that are coming from a letter from house intelligence committee member and republican devin nunes of california, erin, writing to house speaker john boehner outlining what he sees as the most critical outstanding questions not answered. it's coming at a critical point. cnn reported last week that in the coming days, three members of the cia's ben gau gau z security team are expected to appear behind closed doors before a house intelligence

subcommittee. to date that committee has had a difficult time getting information from cia operatives on the ground in benghazi, including trying to find out what exactly the cia was doing there. nunez wants to find out. he has another question, erin, about why there was no rescue team sent immediately to ambassador chris stephens' compound when the attack began. we've got a copy of the letter to speaker boehner. nunes wants to know who was responsible for not sending a counter terror team known as fest immediately. and also why it took so long, three weeks to send fbi agents to libya. he writes we need to identify who at the level of presidential cabinet secretaries or at the national security council signed off on the decision not to dispatch a fest team to benghazi. he also adds that a year after the attacks the committee is still trying to access the radio traffic and communication that was taking place that night, saying it's vital that congressional investigators receive full access to all

conversations, which he says he's not getting. the congressman also trying to get to the bottom of quote possible witness intimidation which does include says the congressman the possibility of witnesses or people with knowledge of events being asked to undergo polygraphs or sign nondisclosure agreements. erin as you know, cnn has been reporting the cia has polygraphed operatives connected with the benghazi mission. a point that's vigorously denied by the cia. >> vigorously denied. drew, you were the first to report that. but it sounds like congressman nunez believes he's being misled or not being told the whole truth. is that fair? we always like to be very careful using the l word, the lie word, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. >> reporter: i can tell you several congressmen don't believe they're getting the whole truth here. after a year of this, they are getting increasingly fed up with what they feel is parsed information and filtered witnesses. i think congressman nunez says

he thinks the committee will get the answers they're pushing. but he said if not speaker boehner should appoint an independent investigator to get them. that's where this may be going. erin? >> thank you very much, drew griffin. of course, as all after you know we're we've been covering the benghazi attack since the very beginning. you can see "the truth about benghazi on our blog" cnn cnn/outfront. up next who is the worst mayor of all time? it's an amazing look that's next. a man on trial for murder who allegedly told friends he could get away with it. those friends now talking. the latest outfront next. a shout out tonight, perfect landing. skydiver katy hanson pulled off an impressive feat, landing in a moving car. it looked like silk, didn't it? you see she starts off as a speck in the sky. i mean just look at this from her vantage point. as she nears you see her swooping in here to this car for

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nsa leaker patriot or criminal edward snow denis on the defense saying calls to reforms to the national security agency prove his leaking was justified. in a manifesto he said he's not the problem it's the n sa. he writes quote citizens have to fight against the suppression of information. those who speak the truth are not committing a crime. outfront tonight, bob bair a former cia operative and rob mcgovern a former cia analyst. snow den says his leaks are justified. fair? >> here's the problem. you can't work for the government and have a security clearance and wake up one day and decide to spill your guts. if we started down that road

where would it all stop? it would be the end of espionage, our national security, military and so forth. the problem here is that he didn't have a venue to take his complaints to where he'd be listened. to he couldn't take it to the senate or the house. they would have ignored him. it's really congress that's the problem for not overseeing the national security agency, which needs reform. >> and ray, let me ask you because you hear bob saying if you go down this path, where does it stop. it could be the end of our security, the end of the military. i know that you think snowden did the right thing. you went over there to present him with an award last month. so obviously you're on a different side of this. but what about bob's point, that you do this and you kind of hear this and what do you do when you get to the end of the road? >> i turn it around. if you don't do this kind of thing, you're approaching what

sn snowden called turn key tyranny. 15 years ago when i was a commissioned army officer in the infantry i too many a solemn oath to defend and protect the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. so did edward snowden. it shouldn't be a curiosity he took that oath very seriously. the fourth amendment to that constitution says the right of the people to be secure from unreasonable searches and seizures and know -- shall not be violated and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause supported by oath or after of affirmation particularly describing the place for search or the person or places to be seized. >> how do you make this publicly to the whole world and other governments upholding his vow to the united states government? >> well, his vow was to the constitution, erin, not to the government. there's a big big difference. the fourth amendment cannot be -- there's no way that --

>> but to his country. let me put it that way. to your country. how is leaking to other governments upholding a promise to your country? >> we don't swear an oath to our country. we swear it to the constitution. it's a written piece of paper. that's what makes our country different. when you see the fourth amendment being violated, being shredded by people like diane feinstein and mike rogers complicit in this violation, there is somebody needs to have the courage to speak out of conscience. that's what ed snow dn did. >> bob, what do you say to that? >> well, i think we need to sit down and find out exactly what the national security agency did. did it break the law? right now there's no clarity. the accusation in journalism is that they've been running algorithms through journalists records to find their sources. if that's true, i think that's clearly a violation of the constitution and somebody should be held accountable. we do need clarity on this just how far it went. and does congress know? have they done an independent

audit of what the national security agency was looking into? no, not so far and they should. >> so do you think -- what about snowden's leaks, bob, you've looked at in terms of how orchestrated they are? do you think he has been working with foreign governments, or is that allegation to your view at this point also not clear? >> well, erin, the problem is i spent so many years up against the russians. and in that world, when someone goes to moscow they're presumed guilty, not the other way around, presumed innocent. so i always look at it from a counter intelligence perspective. and i wish he hadn't gone to moscow. i wish he would have made his protest on the steps of the capitol or the supreme court. or going to china as well. it's the same thing. it's a perception that he's a defector. there's no evidence that he is. but i can assure you that the fbi and the cia are looking at that possibility. but again there's no evidence. >> two very strong views.

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locate drones and enemies. the thing is it's a real idea that could hit the battle field as early as next year. barbara starr is outfront. >> reporter: ironman's powered suit of armor and high-tech weapons help him protect the world. and that is exactly what america's top commando, admiral william mccrave enwants when his men have to kick down a door. >> he has got to open that door, not knowing what's on the other side. he's got to be in position to be protected as soon as that door comes open. >> reporter: mccrave enhas ordered up this suit better known as the ironman suit. the idea, lightweight armored protection possibly with battery power flowing through it to give a soldier extraordinary ability to move faster and operate longer in battle. former navy s.e.a.l. says the suit can make commandos even better.

>> it is going to take a super soldier, an s.e.a.l., a green beret, a delta force guy, and push him into a stratospheric level. what people don't realize all these technologies exist already. but they exist separately. so they're take them all and they're putting them together and adding some pretty cool things like liquid armor that becomes hardened in an millisecond. >> reporter: imagery from drones or satellites overhead right into the helmet visual display. boots that generate electricity with every step a soldier takes, and flexible head to toe protection so troops can move closer to the enemy. >> if this can work out the bugs and get it to where it's functional, it's going to allow -- it's going to take a group of guys that are already extremely high functioning on the battle field and make them completely unstoppable. >> reporter: mccraven wants the first version of an

for "outfront," barbara starr, the pentagon. >> the pentagon says it's too soon to estimate how much it's going to cost but atony stark's iron man suit would cost $7 billion. piers morgan is next. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. does obama care have a dangerous pre-existing condition? the president on the road is trying to save it. >> this is like having a really good product in a store and the cash registers don't work and there aren't enough parking spots and nobody can get through the door and so we are working over time to get this fixed. >> is it all too little too late? frank rich tells me how the gop is turning this debacle to his election advantage. also, why do the miami dolphins quarterback say this? >> i think if you ask john