hit a rock and capsized in january 2012. the new one-world trade center on the left is america's tallest skyscraper, willis tower formally the sears tower. a panel of international architects ruled the massive spiral atop could be counted making it 1776 feet tall, a number symbol wising freedom and a proud day for many new yorkers, anderson? >> indeed. isha thanks very much. that's it for us here in taclob tacloban. we'll be back at 10:00 eastern team for another edition of "ac 360." anderson, thank you very much indeed. i've been watching the last hour, incredibly powerful reporting there. you've obviously covered some of the worst natural disasters from haiti to others. how does this compare to being where you are on the ground in tacloban to what you covered

before? >> you know, obviously in death toll it's smaller. we don't know an official death toll, numbers vary and nobody really knows because there is no actual search for those who died. there is in accounting for those who died at this point n. haiti hundreds of thousands in puerto prince so it was concentrated. this entire area is just gone. the houses that were here are largely gone, and people have nowhere to go. there isn't electricity. there isn't food. there isn't water. it's not as if there is neighbors that they can fall back on. it's always hard to compare one to another. certainly for the people here it's the worst thing that's ever happened to them and the worst thing that ever will happen to them. there are families -- there are mothers living, having to sleep near the bodies of their dead

children, having to smell their dead children and this is day five. it's been going on now for five days that their child has been laying near them, that they have been smelling their child while they search for their other children who are still missing, and they are serging all by themselves or searching with just the help of a few relatives, but many of those relatives are also searching for other relatives who are missing. so there is not really a concerted organized -- the organization level is not something we've seen and on day five, frankly, in haiti we saw a greater -- a greater impact of outside groups who had been able to come in. we're just starting in the last couple hours to see a little bit of changes here. the airport in tacloban, the u.s. military is very keen -- very confident they will get this airport up and running on a 24-hour basis, getting planes in here on a 24-hour basis. hopefully that will make a difference in getting supplies in here but the challenge is getting them out to the areas

that need it the most. >> we're getting a number on cnn eye reporters from the area telling us they fear there is a rising sense of anarchy among sections of the population as the days go on and the help they desperately need isn't arriving in time. are you sensing that? are you getting a feeling people are just getting very desperate and boardering on anarchy? >> i've been here with paula and traveled to areas. piers is asking are people getting desperate, is there a security concern, a fear of anarchy or looting? i mean, what -- what i see really based on your reporting is people in desperate strides taking whatever they could because there really is nothing. there is nothing for people out there -- >> exactly. i mean, looting has certain connotations, if you're desperate, you're going to try to steal it.

this is out of desperation in many cases. there are people here at the airport, you can probably see hundreds of people behind me trying to get on a plane to get out. they want to leave because of security concerns. one lady had twins three weeks ago and she was worried because the house next door to her was ransacked and she was concerned her house would be next and her children might be injured. one lady said i survived the typhoon, i've been here for two hours -- sorry, two days, i don't know if i'll survive this because she doesn't have food or water. to survive the typhoon and seriously question if you can survive the airport? >> piers, i was just at the makeshift clinic here at the airport and paula has been there, as well. i talked to a doctor an hour ago who said they don't have enough food and water at that clinic. that clinic is the only hospital in this entire area that's actually seeing patients. the patients are saying the main hospitals have no electricity,

have no supplies and aren't admitting more patients. if that clinic underneath that tower right there behind us doesn't have enough food and water for the people coming there, what does that tell you about everybody else? you would think that would be a top priority to be stocked with food and water. >> right, anderson -- >> i don't get it. >> you hinted in haiti, it was obviously a much more focused area that was hit and therefore the international relief that came in was able to target that very directly. how much more complicated is the rescue mission in the philippines given there are over 2,000 small islands which are inhabited there, many of which have been hit in someway by the typhoon? it must make it much more complicated that it's so spread out like that. >> no doubt about that, and the weather has not been cooperative, no doubt about that. the road systems in the philippines have not been invested over the years, through the years of corruption, through the years of government

siphoning money from projects like that for decades of that, frankly, really going back a long time. so there are big infrastructure problems here that are all playing a part in this but i'm not even talking about, you know, areas outlined. we're talking about tacloban; we're talking about a few blocks from here people not having water, not having access to food, not having access to shelter. i mean, a few blocks from the airport. so god only knows what is happening in small villages along the coast where people can't get to. >> well, that's the thing. this road into tacloban city has been open since sunday. we're now wednesday. there is still not enough supplies. what is beyond that? at least 100 kilometers more of area that has exactly the same damage as this. >> this is the first time the philippine military and authorities actually starting to

clean up the airport area. that's going to be a big improvement but not to take away but it is day five and, you know, it's frustrating for people sitting at this airport for these five days trying to figure out why wasn't that done on day two or day three or day four? >> yeah, it's obviously a very urgent and pressing crisis down there. anderson and paula, thank you very much indeed. i want to turn to anna, what are you seeing down there in cebu? >> there is the disaster relief operation. t the c-130 herk lease packed with aid. we joined a cargo plane yesterday and traveled to a township in eastern province. the first town to be hit and as we flew over the place was

december mated. every building was flattened. we were on the tarmac, more like a muddy runway for all of 20 minutes to deliver that aid. every single palm tree around, huge, huge trees just flattened. you know, snapped like twigs which gives you an idea of the force of the storm there were many locals that raced to that air field once we were there on the ground delivering aid. this is a township of 50,000 people, and yet, everyone is now virtually homeless. there was supplies perhaps for several hundred families that might last a couple of days. the people there were saying they desperately need food. they desperately need fresh water. no medicalupplies h come in, and as far as shelter goes, you know, they are salvaging whatever they have in debris for their home. we had torrential rain here last

night, piers, which only add s to the mystery they are going through. >> certainly does. thank you very much, indeed. they are facing huge medical challenges and in this country, breaking medical news we could have millions more americans taking stat tins. welcome to both of you. sanjay, let's start with what is happening in the philippines. what are the immediate problems after five days with the concentration of rain and the lack of clean water and so on, what are the immediate problems now that we'll be facing rescuers on the ground? >> well, the basics do apply here, piers. there is no question and all the things you're hearing from paula and anderson and anna there, getting that clean water, that water obviously very important and also trying to figure out what is the long-term strategy for this, as well?

should they create generators to sustain the water demand longer term. let me speak to something you asked about as well with regard to the numbers and i've covered a lot of these types of things as you point out, piers. people focus a lot on the number of people who died on one end of the spectrum. completely opposite, people who lived and who have adequate resources, but in the middle here is that venerable population and this is where it's different from a lot of other natural disasters. there are a lot of people who survive this but vulnerable in the middle swath and over the next seven days to 14 days, one to two weeks, everything matters. everything is different. the basics matter. people talk about infectious disease outbreaks being of concern, yes, they are but the next one to two weeks makes the difference. do they go into this side of the spectrum, survive, get the resource they need or pass away because of preventable deaths,

pier piers and again the basics apply here. >> and desperately urgent to get the rescue supplies in there and difficult when the weather conditions are spread out. let's turn, sanjay to this development on the use of statins in america. tell me exactly what happened today and how it will change things today for americans. >> basically, the guidelines have been loosened for who can get these statins drugs. it's quite remarkable, pierce, to give context, we talk about the fact roughly around 30, 35 million people are on these medications now and with this loosening of the guidelines, it could double, 70 million people. instead of having sort of a bunch of different criteria for determining who is going to be on these medications or not, if you have diabetes, type one or type two you would be a candidate.

if you have evidence of heart disease you would be a candidate for statins. it's quite stunning in terms of how many people would now possibly get a statin prescription or recommendation. piers, i talk about this a lot, we have pretty good strategies of preventing with some basic things, the better diets, exercise, things i've talked about for years. the fact we're going in the opposite direction, the fact that 70 million people may be on these drugs in the next couple years is a bit mind numbing actually and i feel people are waving the white flag on diabetes, stroke and heart disease and i hope it doesn't take our eye off the ball to focus on those basics. >> i want to come to you, a top cardiologist, it seems to be sending completely the wrong signal. you're trying to make americans fitter, faster, leaner, eat

healthier and exercise and now they can think there is an easier way, pop a few pills. >> you're absolutely right, piers, and i think sanjay is on the mark on this. bump i get into the stats, just a second on the philippines, scripts health as been at haiti, katrina and because of chief executive officer is really into the medical response team, our health system is ready and willing to go to the philippines. now let's get into the statins. the big change besides what sanjay has already mentioned, is that we have these target numbers so for people who didn't have heart does, getting the ldl down to 100 and for those who did, it's getting it down to 70. there was no basis for the numbers so they have been abandoned and these guidelines have been around for ten years. so there has been a fixization of americans to get their numbers right, even though so

many of them are just getting a cosmetic effect on the blood test would actually improving their risk of getting heart disease. so this has been a big problem. we've already over cooked the use of statins. the evidence for people who have heart disease is overwhelming. it's the people who don't have heart disease where this concern of having gotten up to perhaps as many as 40 million americans already and possibly doubling that, that is really worry some. >> let me turn briefly for a minute to obama care. president clinton today came out with a striking presentation of president obama. let's listen to what he had to say. >> i personally believe even if it takes the change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people. >> sanjay, we know the takeup on obama care has been extremely low. the white house has now conceded with the numbers published, they will be very low. we have president clinton really

directly challenging president obama to -- if it means changing the law, to change the law to keep his word if you want to keep your plan or doctor you could. this is turning into a huge mess, isn't it? >> yeah, i think there is no two ways about that. you know, i think with regard to this idea of keeping the plans, i think this is another example of the message really having been not properly given, and, you know, we talk about the specific thing that if you have your insurance, you can keep it. as president clinton said that's not true. piers, you and i talked about this before i interviewed secretary sebelius. the number one cause of bankruptcy in the united states is medical bills and a large part of that is because there are really bad plans out there. this is a bit of a red herring and this is a small population that fits into the idea they have plans and want to keep them because they are buying

insurance on the individual market but we have regulations for cars that are unsafe. people want to keep my pinto, i don't want to be forced to buy a ferrara. pintos caught on fire whenerer ended. to the point you asked, the promise was that you could keep your plan if you had it and were happy and i think that's what president clinton was addressed. >> briefly, if you may, do you feel as a top practitioner of medicine in america that obama care is well intended, that if it worked well it would be a force for good in america? >> well, i think eventually many of the glitches will get fixed and indeed, more people will be covered, but the problem that whole affordable care act has is it doesn't incorporate the invasions. it doesn't capture the exciting aspects of medicine, whether it be the use of senators and

wireless medicine. so it's really unfortunate because it's very much tuned into access and insurance coverage, but missing where really the most exciting time in the history of medicine is right now. >> dr. tobal and dr. sanjay, thank you very much. sanjay has a show on saturday afternoon at 4:30 eastern. extraordinary story about a british man that traveled around to get medical marijuana and returned with custom's blessings. a story on medical marijuana. i commend you to ask that. is richie incognito blaming the victim? i'll ask jay glazer and what he thought when incognito told him this. >> you're telling me there wasn't any signs going into that? >> as the leader, as his best friend on the team, that's what has me mythed, how i missed this and i never saw it.

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this is not an issue about bullying, this is an issue on my and jon's relationship where i've taken stuff too far and i didn't know it was hurting him. my actions were coming from a place of love. no matter how bad and how vulgar it sounds, that's how we communicate. that's how our friendship was. those are the facts and that's what i'm accountable for. >> richie incognito telling his story to fox sports since the miami dolphin s bullying issue. the dolphins said they will delay a meeting until the nfl representative had his meeting with martin who left the team last month. joining me now, the man that sat down with richie incognito from fox nfl sunday, fox sports 1. welcome to you. fascinating interview. let me first of all ask you what was your relationship with

richie before the interview. there were reports you were great friends. clarify that before you start. >> i started off our entire segment saying look, i've known richie incognito for five or six years and that's what my job is as an nfl insider and reporter. you've got relationships. i've probably got 900 on them. that's how we get the scoop. i have a mixed marshall arts program. paid a guy named tie ron woodly fighting this weekend, but even with that said, everyone having known him all this time, obviously, the stuff that has come out and the things associated with this, with the racism, with the bullying, is difficult for me to comprehend. i think they are difficult for everyone to comprehend. it's hard to grasp, i don't care the relationship. >> tell me this, though, it seems to me you have good access because you interviewed them and i think you've seen some of the

1,142 texts. >> i've seen them all. >> you seen them all. this is what really interests me. i've worked with sports men and interviewed many of them and been in locker rooms, i've played sports at a very minor level and in dressing rooms. i know what can happen in terms of banter. >> right. >> what were these texts like? when you read them did you get a sense of bullying or a sense of pretty regular dressing room banter? >> you had a public access television show i can could tell you fully but i can't on your show. the stuff said in these texts are locker room, about as bad as you get from both sides going back and forth. 1142 texts, that the's a lot of texts. they are both -- it didn't speak to me that one guy was hapd hammering the other and the other wasn't coming back hammering. martin went back to richy, richy went back to him. there is stuff that, like i

said, it would be offensive to anybody else who saw it, and that's what you have to kind of figure out what that context is. you know, the problem with stories like this, piers, i wish richie and jonathan came out a day or two after that. then we would know hey, what really happened here? what's the real story here? it's difficult now because obviously when i sat down with richie sat with lawyers. what we hear from jonathan martin, it will be worded down with lawyers, as well. i wish we knew. i was the first one who broke this story originally on fox football daily and fox sports 1 this happened and i heard from all sides immediately about it. you want to know the truth. the only way you find out the truth from talking to those two people directly, and then all the other teammates and everybody else in there. >> i mean, the most fascinating aspect of it, it seemed to me from the interview, is when

incognito claimed that martin sent him a friendly text four days after he had left the dolphins. let's watch that clip from the interview. >> yeah. >> he text me and said i don't blame you guys, i blame some stuff in the locker room. i blame the culture. i blame what was going on around me. and when all this stuff got going, swirling and bullying got attached and my name got attached to it, i text him as a friend and said what's up with this man? he said it's not coming from me. >> see, that struck me as extra ordinary. if that's true, this is ram bis bullying -- >> there was also one before that -- >> too far -- >> there was one before that also we showed on fox that the first one even before that, said the world has gone crazy, lol, and then there was another one that said by the way don't check yourself into a mental hospital. and, you know, again this was

after it had happened and again, that's the problem. the problem as a journalist, my job is to try to find out the facts. we want to try to find out what really happened, not what everybody close to richy is saying and not what everybody close to jonathan is saying. we want to find out what really went on in there. >> from everything you know about other locker rooms in the nfl up and down the country, does any of this strike you as unusual? it might be offensive to the outside world but these guys are big, trained powerful athletes designed to want to kill the opposition metaphor rickly, is it that surprising they whip themselves up in this way and have such extremely competitive banter if you like? >> the great thing of being in sports is you don't have to grow up. these guys are a bunch of kids and kids can be mean and when they get older, they are still kids. tony gonzalez, i'm sure you know tony gonzalez probably said it

best. he said i get made fun of more than anybody in my locker room because i have seven nationalities. he said when i retire, i'll miss that the most. that's tony and i get that. our newsroom with me and michael strahan and howie -- if you ever heard us but this question still is if -- and my question to richie is if you did push too far, maybe a big brother can go too far. maybe that's not the case. at one point you got to make sure nobody goes too far where it goes over the edge because i can you can have bullying on any level. you know, it's a hot button top pick, piers. anybody saying bullying, you know, it's hard to defend because people start acting like somebody condones bullying. we certainly don't. in locker rooms, nothing is off limits. they -- they go after each other

for everything. >> i think we should settle this in the old fashion british way. get them in a room together, a firm handshake, apologies all around and move on i think is probably the best way to resolve this. >> i suggested that to both parties. before the interview i think they were kind of both on board. i know i heard from jonathan's people it could happen and after the interview they said no, we'll go another route. >> let's hope it gets settled soon. howard stern's bad boy psychic. this guy, now that he's clean and sober, i want to find occupant advice from toronto mayor ford and burns and the a list celebrities and dramatic readings from a famous speech in history. when i mean dramatic, i mean dramatic. listen steven coal bear. >> four scores and seven years

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that metal thing. that's okay. >> arty lang kept him roaring with the dark humor. he's known to pass out on air and start verbal altercations with fellow cast members while under the influence. he's been sew boar for a year and half. the new book "crash and burn." how are you? >> good to be here, piers. >> you are watching yourself passing out laugh sglg a brilliant comic at work. our generations jonathan winters, why would you not laugh? >> what was extraordinary to me, i did the show a couple times when you were there. you were so part of the family, such an amazing energy between you. i would never have known or guessed the personal hell i read about in "crash and burn." how many people did know the real depths? >> the times you there were i might not have been going

through the hell. i was on eight and a half years and the first six were extraordinary. it was a comedian's version of bliss to me being on the greatest show, the funniest show working with the funniest guy and making a bunch of money to do it. my schedule got to the point where combined with my atickettive person nalty where i need pills to get up, pills to go down. pills to get on a plane, pills to get off a plane. that turned into a hear wroin addiction. only addict would say you and the dealer, you know, one guy putting his kids through the school, because, you know, you're making so much money and you're doing it. you try to hide it from everybody. you won't be truthful. >> you got to a moment, january 2nd, 2010 when you attempted to kill yourself. you took a knife and stabbed yourself i think nine times. >> right, if i had abs, i would

be dead now. [ laughter ] >> what was going through your mind that day? >> well, i mean, listen, i was not of a straight mind. i had been doing heroin for four straight days at that point, and i was going through awful withdrawals. that's the only thing that kept me out of the nut house for a couple years. if you do that and you're straight minded, they would let you out. they can keep you in a mental institutions for years but the fact i was under the influence of these drugs is why i got out in a few days and went to rehab and other crazy things and took me a year and a half to do. i -- what was going through my mind was sheer held. i couldn't do it anymore. i was high and running out of drugs and i couldn't take another trip. i couldn't do it anymore. i said -- i can't keep leading this life and at the point i saw no way out. i saw no way out. >> your mother found you and helped save your life. when you came around from all this. >> yeah. >> did you feel a terrible sense

of guilt about what you put her through? >> i still do. i still do. i mean, she wasn't supposed to come over that day. it was sheer fate because stuff had gotten so bad i agreed to give her a key to my place in case something happened, just to stop her from yelling i said take it, whatever. dad planned an intervention for me that was not going to be peaceful. i wasn't going to a choice. they were going to drag me away with friends and family and happened to stop by that day and found me. i mean, the guilt of passing out with her saying stay with me, don't close your eyes, i'm calling 911, i won't get over that. thank god she's okay and better and doing okay and now we're going through a happy time but no, i'll never get over that guilt over in my life. >> let's take a break. i'll come back and get your reaction to leaving the howard stern show and what your relationship with howard is now because obviously, it was difficult. >> definitely. customer erin swenson ordered shoes from us online

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i've have been coming out for ten years. probably my 18th appearance. you're leaving, you're going to do the "tonight show". >> i'm going to los angeles. it sucks. good luck man, i think it's a bad move. >> what are you going to do? are you going to do? [ laughter ] >> archie lang. >> my fingers on the pulse of pop culture. >> what is extraordinary is you don't remember appearing -- >> that is -- listen cohen has been so good to me. he had me on once every two months starting 18 years ago. he was so good to me in the throws of my heroin addiction and yeah, i don't really remember that appearance. i kind of did it in a blackout and that's horrifying to wake up and realize you were on national tv and spoke publicly. i did it in the funny bone in

st. louis before but you realize you don't remember what you said and gave some of the best career advice of all time. [ laughter ] >> let me ask you about howard stern because you've not been back on the show since the suicide attempt to explain yourself, mainly because howard doesn't want to put you in that position. chris rock told him to get you off the airways to sort yourself. does part of you want to go back on the show where you have a huge audience that was your family and explain it to me as you are now? >> oh, god, yeah. my relationship started with that show when i was 13 years old. my father who drove a van came to me the summer of '82 said you got to hear this guy and we bonded and years later i not only get on the show but become a regular. >> your father reacted by sending -- >> i didn't get on the show -- he -- we did an auction to raise money for him because we had to

go on welfare like a horrible situation. of all the celebrities i wrote to, howard is the only guy that responded. he signed the jacket we sold at auction and brought up on the air. does he think he'll walk again if he puts this jacket on? >> it must have meant a lot to you -- >> when my father passed away i was 2 and a drunk and a gambler and doing a lot bad things. i get on the show and become part of the show and become an amazing career and i would love to be part of that family. it was great. i think howard and i both realized going back there might trigger something that would be terrible and he doesn't want to put me in that situation. i mean, what happened was so severe i put them in such a terrible situation, he's reacting the only way a good person would right now. >> are you still friends? >> i would call us friends, friendly. i mean, we were really good friends for a long time, and when you do heroin, they will

tell you in rehab friendships go away and that's one of them that did that's the most important and i feel terrible. when we speak we're friendly and he's very good to me. >> i want to play you a clip. this is the infamous mayor ford talking about his crack cocaine. >> yes, i have smoked crack cocaine -- do i? am i an addict? no. have i tried it? probably in one of my drunken stupo stupors. [ laughter ] >> you probably know better than most the kind of thing he's been through. >> first of all, he's doing it wrong because he's the fattest crack addict i've seen. is he pouring it on cheeseburgers? one of the good side effects of crack is you stay very thin. that's why a lot of models do it. [ laughter ] >> when i see somebody like that -- [ laughter ] >> you know, the guy is a mayor and for the sentence to come out of his mouth, have i tried

crack? maybe one of my drunken stupors. >> it was that bit, the drunken stupor -- >> it's great -- i mean, but he's stealing from washington d.c. they invented the idea of a crack smoking mayor and he's ripping them off. if the guy is a good guy and had good policy, i would vote for him again. the old joke they say what happened -- if anyone is in a sex scandal, they can run in france on that and win. [ laughter ] >> i don't know, i would give the guy another chance but so crazy to hear that. >> i want to leave you with one last thought here tonight in new york tonight, the world word. france's painting, 14 $2 million. >> wow. >> are we in the wrong game? >> i know a lot of crooked jersey contractors and to paint your house, that's about the price. >> artie lang, fabulous book

"crash and burn." best of luck. >> thank you for having me on. thank you very much. kevin burns, the only man that can get bill clinton singing the same tune as taylor swift. we'll explain the connection coming up after the break. [ laughter ] . ♪ hmm. ♪ mm-hmm. [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going on now --

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new movie. ken burns is with me. your mission is to essentially get every american to be able to recite the gettysburg address. >> we like to sing in church. we like to sing "take me out to the ball game" together. we like to do things together. we're so fractured now. how great would it be to just learn something. i made a film about "the address" kids in a vermont school, all boys, who suffer from learning disabilities. for the last 35 years their school has asked them to member otherize a memorize and publicly recite it. we're issuing this challenge today. >> you've got big names. >> amazing people in media. taylor swift did it. uma thurman. we have nancy pelosi and marco rubio. we have rachel maddow and bill

o'reilley. >> who are those two? sorry. >> they're competitors. >> why is it so important, the gettysburg address? coming from britain we have churchill and his great addresses. what makes the gettysburg address in your opinion the greatest american speech? >> it's pure presidential poetry. but the biggest thing is that it's doubling down on our original promise that all men were created equal. but you have to go oops. he owned more than 100 different human beings and didn't see the hypocrisy and didn't see fit to free any of them in his lifetime. four score and five years later there were 4 million americans owned by other americans. so what lincoln is saying after the worst battle, the worst battle in american soil in the entire history of north america, he's saying, we really do mean all men are created equal, out of this suffering, out of this death we can have a new birth of

freedom. he wrote our new cathechism, gave us marching orders we're still operating under today. when the first anniversary of 9/11 happened, one of the few bits of english words spoken besides the terribly sad, desperately sad list of the dead was abraham lincoln's gettysburg address. it had nothing to do with 9/11 but it had toefrg do with the glue that we needed to try to k cohere. >> what better way to end this interview than have you reciting the gettysburg address. >> four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. now we are engaged in a great civil war test wlg that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. we are met on a battle field. et cetera et cetera. >> it is inspiring. >> it is amazing. he uses the word "here" seven times, in which we hear resolve,

we dedicate here. he's sort of saying look at it here. look where we are. the world will little note nor long remember what we say here but can never forget what they did here. it's amazing that in some ways the suffering and death has been obliterated and the words have remained. that's where the great power. this is a country in which words matter. we were formed on words, not formed by religion, not by conquest, not by economy, not by geography, we are formed because we agreed to subscribe to some words. and lincoln gave those words new impetus and new meaning. that's why i think these kids struggling to learn it, all of these people helping us, is an inspirational thing for the country. >> let's take a short break. come back with your final thoughts. next week is a huge week for presidential moments. you've got the anniversary of jfk's death and this anniversary of the gettysburg address. want to get your sense or who should be highest in the great pantheon of american presidents. ♪

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back with filmmaking extraordinaire ken burns. the movie "the event" documentary comes out next week on pbs. you've had a chance to look at all these presidents over the years. who's the greatest if you could put him back in power? >> when you have discussions about baseball or rock music you have to say besides babe ruth and the beatles. here you have to say besides

washington. i've been a lincoln man all my life. i put lincoln at the top. i think that i would, after having completed a film series that will be out in september on the history of the rose developmen roosevelts put him in there. >> what about jfk? >> i think it's an unfinished story. when he was killed i was ten years old. i was tragic. now i'm working on a big history of vietnam. we don't know what he would have done, whether he would have gotten us out or in deeper. >> i've got to leave it there. best of luck on the next project. anderson cooper reports live from the phillipines. good evening, everyone. i'm anderson cooper live from tacloban airport in the philippines where