panther cologne. >> anything for the ratings. that's it for this edition of "reliable sources." if you missed any of today's program, you can find it on itunes. if you have suggestions or comments, tweet us at cnnreliable and use the #reliable. it's my passion to be with you over the last few months. congratulations to brian steltzer to become a reliable host at cnn. it's an important job to hold up a magnifying glass and mirror to the media. brian will be working with a terrific team here, too. join us next sunday morning at 11:00 a.m. "state of the union" with candy crowley begins right now. competency, credibility and confusion. >> i'm head of this team. >> today an administration shaken. will president obama's signature achievement undermine the rest of his term? congressman james clyburn

debates. and -- >> i have to care for the survival of my country. >> and the u.s. and iran close in on a deal. a long-time allie objects. our conversation with benjamin netanyahu. this is "state of the union." good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. momma said there'd be days like this but who knew there'd be months. >> if we can just get the darn website working and smooth this thing out. >> a politician on a rugid road is generally headed downhill and losing friends along the way. amid the mess of a broken website and millions of americans losing health insurance they thought they could keep, the president's approval numbers are sliding. in a totally related development -- >> on this vote the yeas are 261, the nays are 157. the bill is passed. >> -- 39 democrats voted against the president and with republicans on an obama care fix. the bill goes nowhere from here

but it's the thought that counts. and the thought is that the president's broken keep your health care promise is toxic. hence the direct message to volters. >> i want them to know that, their senator or congressman, they were making representations based on what i told them and what this white house and our administrative staff told them. so it's not on them, it's on us. >> of the president's numbers collapsing beneath the rollout, this one weighs heaviest. is barack obama honest and trustworthy? just 44% of americans think so down ten points since late september. it has prompted comparisons to george bush's failed response to the deadly hurricane katrina. the situations are entirely different, but politically trust in bush and in the government fell and never recovered undermining the rest of bush's term. without argument, this president is at the lowest political moment of his tenure, and it is

difficult to govern without trust. >> i think it's legitimate for them to expect me to have to win back some credibility on this health care law, in particular, and on a whole range of these issues in general. >> time is short as some allies inch away republicans are circling. >> presidencies are often associated with one famous utterance. ask not what your country can do for you. the only thing we have to fear, tear down this wall. and our current president will be no different. if you like your health care plan, you can keep it, period. >> poll numbers are snapshots in time and time moves on. for the president, days like this could become months or they could become different kinds of days entirely. joining me now, members of their party leadership. democratic congressman james clyburn and republican senator john berosso. thank you for coming, gentlemen. i want to pick up on the katrina

references, which generally go to the idea that once a president falls below that 50% line when it comes to honesty and trustworthiness, it makes it very hard to govern. without relitigating george bush and senator katrina, senator bosso, do you buy into the idea that the president is in a hole he can't get out of? >> well, he may be, candy, i'm a lot less concerned about the president and his legacy than i am about the lives of the people in my state in wyoming and around the country who are being hurt by the policy of this health care law. they are losing their coverage, millions, they are being hit by sticker shock. they can't keep their doctors. and what the president has proposed is basically a false fix. it's a political band-aid, but it's not a permanent cure for the people that are being hurt by his policies, so it's time to start over.

with trying to give people the health care they wanted from the beginning with a doctor they choose. >> congressman clyburn, it remains true, however, that a president who loses kind of the faith of americans finds it hard to pass other things, immigration, all the other thing that is are on. it was an and bishs second term agenda for this president. how does he win back trust? i'm assuming you think he can. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. thank you so much for having me this morning. look, i think that the president admitted that the buck stops with him. the fact of the matter is, this is a rollout problem, this is not a values problem. and i think that if we were to look at what we were attempting to to do with the affordable health care act, you will know that what we're trying to do is change a value system in our country. now look, with all due respect to the senator, cancellation

letters are not new to my constituents. i came from constituents in the entire 21 years of congress about the cancellation letters they are getting from the insurance companies. as soon as a child is born with diabetes, cannot get on the health care policy, gets sick, go for the second treatment. you get a capslation letter. you limit your benefits and get annual benefits. a cancellation letter from your insurance company. so the fact of the matter is, we are trying to stop these cancellations. and now a few insurance companies have decided to use the affordable care act to send out a new set of cancellation letters. and what the president has done here is he says, okay, when you send out these letters, we want you to invite those people back in, take a year, to let the people know exactly what it is that you have canceled. can they keep --

>> the question here is, yes, hopefully the website will get fixed, but isn't this the undermining of trust, doesn't have to do with a huge blunder and the americans looking at the website that hasn't worked, looking at a promise that wasn't quite true saying, wait a minute, if these people can't know ahead of time, they really need to test a website. can we trust them about implementing the rest of this? isn't that the trust issue? and it's about management. >> well, sure, paradise loss, paradise regained. and when you lose something, you can find it again. and the president admitted that he expects to be held responsible for regaining the americans' trust. and i think he will. the fact of the matter is, one of our big problems in washington is that we tend to react to soundbites too often,

and this is is a soundbyte that the president needed to report to the american people with more time. if people say to me, if you're explaining it, you're losing it. i don't like that at all. i really believe the american people are deserving of explanations. and we aught to take the time to explain it and the media aught to report the explanations. >> let me bring in senator barrasso. clearly the president is off to a rough start on this, but one of the pushbacks whenever republicans say this is wrong, that's wrong, is you never wanted it in the first place. so they should turn it back on you saying, yeah, it's been rough, yeah, it's been terrible, but now you're just trying to undermine it. what is your take on the republicans next move to fix some of the problems you think

are wrong with this? >> well, candy, this past week i introduced legislation to state health care choice act so states could make decisions if they wanted to opt out of the individual mandate or the employer mandate for the people in their states. i'm concerned about getting people health care that they need and want and can afford. and we don't have those happening with these policies. the website is just the tip of the iceberg, but for every one person that's been able to sign up, 40 people have gotten cancellation letters. and the president may call these junk policies or substandard policies, but they are policies that work for those people. i was with a rancher yesterday in wyoming, in laramie, others who have gotten these letters, and it didn't meet the president's standards because the insurance policy didn't include maternity coverage. but this is a woman that's had a hysterectomy. she shouldn't have to pay for that kind of coverage. republican solutions are there. we need to level the playing field so that people who buy

insurance individually get the same tax breaks as those who buy through work. we need to be able to let people shop across state lines for better deals with insurance that works for them and their family, not something the government says they have to have. in terms of pre-existing conditions, my wife's a breast cancer survivor. she's been through three operations, chemotherapy twice, i know how critical it's to make sure people with pre-existing conditions have affordable insurance and states are able to do that. but what we're seeing is this failed website that's just the tip of the iceberg of lost coverage, losing your doctor, higher premiums and the fraud that is coming, even on the healthcare.gov website has been remarkable. and the fraudsters are out there in force trying to take advantage and steel identity of the american people. >> let me bring congressman clyburn back in, you had a vote last week in the house where 39

democrats who voted, many of them who voted if they were here, for obama care, sided with republicans on a fix to this idea of people being thrown off their health care when the president had promised they wouldn't be. what do you make of those 39 defections? because politically speaking, it clearly is distance between the president and this bill. >> well, i think that what you saw in those 39 people, maybe 9 people had real serious concerns. the fact of the matter is, about 30 of them, and i have talked to them, were insulating themselves against soundbytes. >> meaning they were -- i'm sorry, that they looked back home and realized that people were upset and wanted to be able to say, i voted to fix this. >> the minute that people look at this and said, this is a bill that allowed me to keep my

insurance policy, and you voted against it. so they wanted to insulate themselves from that. but the fact of the matter is, if you look at the second part of that deal, it allowed insurance policy companies to continue selling what we know to be substandard policies. >> but you still voted for it. >> i may not call them junk. gentlemen, they voted for them. i don't blame anybody for insulating themselves from the soundbytes because that's the world we live in, unfortunately. >> final word, do you see republicans going forward, unless something amazing happens between now and next year, this is going to go into force, this law. will republicans work with the white house to fix things or will you continue to want to change major portions of it? >> it's time to start over. this health care law is terribly flawed.

it is broken. it has failed the american people because they are losing their insurance, they are losing their doctor, their premiums are going up. i think there's going to be a massive taxpayer bailout needed just to deal with the impact of this health care law. this is not what the american people wanted. the president did not need to destroy a good health care system to try to make a better one. but that's what we have now. >> so that sort of sounds like a no on trying to fix it. thanks so much, senator john barrasso and senator clyburn, appreciate both your time today. when we return, inching closer to a deal on iran's nuclear program but not everyone's a fan. >> to give the most dangerous regime in the 21st century the world's most dangerous weapons is a big, big mistake. >> my interview with benjamin netanyahu is next. s mine. ♪ that's mine.

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i want you to listen up if you live in the midwest, we are monitoring some dangerous weather that is developing in that region. i want you to take a look at this ominous cloud. it's from a storm chaser in central illinois. our meteorologist samantha mohr at the cnn weather center in atlanta has some details. hey, sam. >> hi there, candy. the national weather service has issued a particularly dangerous situation here in the area. there is a confirmed large extremely dangerous tornado on the ground. we have a tornado warning in place until 11:30 local time. this includes the cities of bennington and evans. and it is moving at a very fast pace to the northeast at 55

miles per hour. and that puts it in the general direction of chicago. now, we don't know if it will hold together that long, obviously, but it could die out long before it gets there. but we're going to have to keep our eye on this particular one because it's a confirmed tornado on the ground. a particularly dangerous situation. you can see we have other warnings around the area here just south of springfield. of course, you need to shelter in place into the lowest level of your house away from the exterior windows and walls to stay safe here. and notice, all the tornado watches we have in place. this one that's in the chicago area is in effect until 4:00 local time. and this one until 7:00, which is just south of st. louis and the mississippi river valley. and then here from indiana stretching into lower michigan. this one until 8:00 local time. again, these two watches on the northern end, this is where most of the energy is, they have been deemed a particularly dangerous

situation here. so let's talk about why all this is happening. all the ingredients here are coming together as this area of low pressure. this is the same one that created the winter weather across the inner mountain west. teens up with another developing surface low. and we see a situation that is really a dangerous one for chicago and indianapolis. these two major metropolitan areas are in a high risk area. and this is something that doesn't normally happen in the month of november. in fact, this is only the sixth time in 25 years that the spc has issued a high risk here of possible dangerous tornadoes on the ground. and look at this, candy, this is an interesting chart of throughout the year how frequent tornadoes occur. and you can see in november, this is one -- it should be one of the quietest times of the year, yet we are seeing this huge outbreak. so we'll stay on top of it for you. >> sam, let me ask you a question about this,

particularly dangerous situation language, this is not something we're making up to describe it, this is something the national weather service is saying. so how does this differ from, hey, a tornado watch, be careful and, you know, watch the skies for anything bad? what does that mean, that language? >> well, we have the ingredients in place, the jet stream is in the perfect location. that will cause the air to evacuate, that creates a lot of lift in the atmosphere here. it's also a very large area as you can see, an incredibly deep low as well with these isobars, the lines of constant atmospheric pressure, packed so tightly here. so it's a wide-scale wind event across the great lakes in the ohio valley as well. here are the ingredients that we are talking about. we have the jet stream aloft. we have the very cold air moving in from the westment warm, moist air out ahead of this. and when they call it is a pdf, a particularly dangerous situation, we could have hail larger than two inches. that we could easily see

catastrophic tornadoes and very dangerous tornadoes forms here. and that's why we have our eyes all over this region as we head into the afternoon and evening and even into the overnight we'll have to watch this develop, candy. >> a busy time for you, kind a scary time for those folks out in the midwest. so pay attention to those weather reports. we'll have more on the severe weather outbreak at the top of this hour, but when we return, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu warns that a bad deal on iran's nuclear program could lead to military conflict. my exclusive interview is next. for medicare. the annual enrollment period is now open. now is the time to find the coverage that's right for you ...at the right price. the way to do that is to explore your options. you can spend hours doing that yourself ... or you can call healthmarkets, and let us do the legwork for you - with no cost or obligation. we'll search a variety of plans from nationally recognized companies to find the coverage that's the best fit for you, at a price that fits your budget.

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secretary of state john kerry meets with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu later this month in israel. they will discuss progress on the sanctions against iran in exchange for concessions on their nuclear program. democrat and republican critics are pushing back saying they don't trust iran's leaders. they want fresh sanctions to keep up the pressure. it's a snag in relations between the u.s. and her closest allie in the volatile middle east. joining me now israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. mr. prime minister, thank you for being here. as you know, the five permanent members of the u.n. security council along with germany will this week sit down with their counterparts from iran to once again work on a deal to

hopefully freeze iran's nuclear ambitions for a period of time. my question to you, because i know you are very skeptical of this and have not liked what you heard so far, would you -- is there any interim deal you would think was all right? >> well, first of all, i prefer diplomatic solution. i prefer a peaceful solution. who wouldn't? israel has the most to gain from a peaceful diplomatic solution because we're on the firing line any way you look at it. so we need a good solution. and that's the main point. i think the problem with a partial deal is that you reduce the sanctions, and in this case, you reduce the sanctions, let out a lot of pressure, and iran is practically giving away nothing. it's making a minor concession, which they can reverse in weeks, and you endanger the whole sanctions regime that took years to make. so i don't think it's a good deal. i think it's a bad deal, an exceedingly bad deal. we need a good deal.

>> it's also, at this point, not a done deal. and i want to play you something that the president said this week about pursuing a deal with iran. >> we will have lost nothing if at the end of the day it turns out that they are not prepared to provide the international community the hard proof and assurances necessary for us to know that they are not pursuing a nuclear weapon. >> so if there is a deal that provides the kind of assurances the president is talking about to show that iran is not pursuing, perhaps not even getting rid of what they have now, but not pursuing any further a nuclear ambition, isn't that a good place to start? >> well, i respect the president and i know that we have a common goal to prevent iran from developing nuclear weapons. and in our case, for developing the capacity to make nuclear weapons. in fact, they are not giving up any of their capacity.

they have 18,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium to make the core of a bomb. they are not giving up even one centrifuge, candy, not one. so they're keeping their capacity. now, here's what could happen and might very well happen if the -- there are billions of dollars of sanctions of easement, which is proposed by the p5 plus 1. you'll get countries scrambling one after the other to try to get deals with iran, because economies and prices work on future expectations. if you took all that pressure, all these years to build up the sanctions regime and it's finally working, it's finally getting there, and iran is really on the rope. their economy is on the ropes. their economy is close to paralysis, and all of a sudden you take off the pressure, everybody will understand that you are heading south. you're going to really be in danger of crumbling the

sanctions regime. so while i appreciate the intention of trying to build it back up, i think it's going to be exceedingly tough if not impossible. i think a lot is being offered by the p5 plus 1 for iran. it's getting just an enormous view from their point of deal and getting practically nothing in return. they are keeping their infrastructure to make nuclear bombs, but i think also to the signaling inside iran that it's over. and signaling outside of iran to many countries that will start scrambling for contracts in iran. and it's going to be very hard to keep the sanctions regime. i think the opposite should be done. i think you should not only keep up the pressure, i think you should increase the pressure because it's finally working. and if you give it up now, when you have that pressure, and iran doesn't even pick apart one centrifuge, what leverage will you have when you've eased the pressure? it just doesn't make sense.

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israeli officials were on capitol hill last week arguing that an interim nuclear deal

with iran is a dangerous proposition. some lawmakers on both sides of the aisle agree and they are threatening to place more sanctions on iran to keep up the heat. secretary of state kerry says that would only undermine their credibility in the current negotiations. more now on my interview with prime minister netanyahu. the president's secretary of state kerry, in particular, secretary of state kerry has been on capitol hill saying this is a bad idea because you keep playing into the hands of hard-liners who don't want the president to make any kind of deal with us. it will be bad faith if it will certainly make these negotiations go ahead and send iran back into the corner to build nuclear weaponry. i want to read you something that senator mark kirk, he's from illinois, he's a republican, he was in on one of those behind-closed doors meetings and came out and had this to say about secretary of state john kerry's briefing.

the administration very disappointingly said discount what the israelis say. this might speak to a larger problem i think that you and this administration are on totally different sides and really that friction has now gone to capitol hill. >> well, first of all, this is a big issue. and people of good faith can have different opinions. and friends, the best of friends can have different opinions. we agree on a lot of things and there's some things we disagree on. by the way, from what i gather, this is not a partisan issue either. there are democrats who are pulling for tougher sanctions and there are republicans who are saying to keep the sanctions, as they are. i'm speaking not from a partisan issue, except one. and i'm the prime minister of israel and i have to care for the survival of my country. and iran maintaining its nuclear weapons capability, that is the

capacity to produce nuclear weapons threat ups directly the future of the jewish state. we have been around the jewish people for 4,000 years and are not about to let them armed with nuclear weapons threaten that. but i will say that i don't think it is an israeli issue either. i can tell you and it's no secret that many of the arab leaders around us have the same view that i have, and i always suggest to foreign leaders, to world leaders, when israelis and arabs are saying the same thing, that doesn't happen very often. it's worthwhile paying attention. we're here. we're close to iran. and we understand what iran is doing. >> mr. prime minister, if a deal should be reached, that is not to your liking, it sounds like no interim deal, that you want the whole thing, complete destruction of what they already have as well as inspections to make sure they don't start up again, but if a deal is reached, this is more along the lines of

what this president is pushing for, what is israel's next move? >> well, i hope that we can achieve a far better deal, but the president and i have agreed on many things and we agree that israel always reserves the right to defend itself against any threat. i personally hope that a better deal is achieved because that's the way to achieve a peaceful diplomatic solution. see, a bad deal, you think, will give you relief now or will give you some time to check out something else, but you're not -- you're not going to get that, because if the first step alleviates the pressure, you're not going to get more pressure down the line. you're not going to increase the pressure by lessening the pressure. i don't advocate partial deals. i think partial deals are bad deals, but for those who do, i've said this to the united states government and to the

other p5 plus 1 governments, if you want a partial deal, then decide what the final deal is and then do one step. decide that the final deal will actually implement the very terms that you the 5 p5 plus 1 have put in. for iran to disarm the plutonium reactors which is used for one thing, creating nuclear weapons. and iran is maintaining these capabilities. and it's receiving as a first step, which may be the final step, the reduction of sanctions, which could eliminate the sanctions down the line. not a good idea. >> let me turn you to another subject that we have talked about over the years many times, and that is the israeli palestinian peace talks, which sort of seem to have gotten jump-started this summer. but now a chief palestinian negotiator has described those talks as frozen. tell me your description of where these talks are. >> well, i hope that we can get

them finally to an agreement. because we need peace. >> are they frozen now, though? >> well, they are not frozen, we are talking, but i think i would like to see some movement on the palestinian side. everybody talks about israeli concessions. it's time to talk about palestinian concessions, too, like recognizing the jewish state. you want us to recognize a palestinian state for the palestinian people, how about recognizing a you jewish state for the jewish people. but peace is a two-way street. the real question is, do the palestinians want peace with israel? when we return, president obama steps into unfamiliar territory damage control. >> our failure to rollout the aca smoothly has put a burden on democrats. i feel deeply responsible for

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joining me around the table, cnn crossfires host amy walter, nation until editor of the cook political report, a new york times columnist and cnn political commentator, thank you. let's commentate. so i watch what unfolded this week, including the president, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, and here's another exception to obama care, and then 39 democrats voting with republicans against the president's wishes on a fix. and it brought me back to the framework for next year's election. and interviews i had last week with the head of the rnc and the

dnc, here's what they told me. >> democratic candidates can run on obama care leading into the 2014 elections. >> this issue is going to be toxic for the democrats, and believe me, we will tattoo it to their foreheads in 2014. we will run on it and they will lose because of it. >> so take your pick. >> wow, that sounds painful, to be tattooed. but debbie wasserman schultz may be correct, but i have yet to see a positive case. since this law was passed, we have heard a lot of bad things are going to happen. a lot of bad things have happened with the website. and yet i have not seen anybody whether from the white house or from the democratic side coordinating a positive message about, look at all the great things that are happening. why is there not somebody out every single day telling a story if there's a story to be told. so they are on defense and will stay on defense.

>> i think they try, you get these photographs every once in a while about children can now stay on their parents -- there's no coordination here. and it doesn't overcome a management mess. >> well, there's a couple things going on. right now all the focus is on a broken website and a broken promise. and that's been the story for the past couple of weeks. at some point there are other stories to be told about obama care, but one of the most important things happening, you have places like kentucky and california where people's lives are being transformed by obama care. every woman in america right now does have this opportunity not to be discriminated against. you are a 65-year-old woman that was uninsurable before obama care. but the democrats are not telling the story and i'll tell you why. the republicans see the successful obama care as a threat to them. if obama care succeeds for republicans, that means government can work for good. they are focused on that, but

democrats do not understand the failure of obama care is a threat to us. so we are still spread out over immigration and a thousand other issues. we have to focus on making people understand that there are millions of americans right now with a broken website benefits from obama care. >> van is right, the democrats should be thinking of this in terms, but this is part of the panic you're seeing, while understandable, is probably a mistake. ultimately, for democrats to survive 2014 and forget 2014 to survive 2016, you need the program to work. and so if you have democrats sort of bailing on aspects of the law that help it work, like moving people into the exchanges out of their existing plans, as unpopular as that obviously is, then the program is less likely to work. and 2014 is more likely to be a disaster. and there's an under appreciated dynamic here that obama care has two big parts, right? one part is the exchanges, which

are for people buying on the individual market, including women who are 55 to 65 who, in fact, were insurable in many cases, my mother is 62 years old and had a plan -- >> very expensive and very bad plans, but go ahead. she's better off than she was before. >> my mother has a slightly different take on the matter. but the other piece is medicaid. there's a big medicaid expansion, which is going forward. and i think what you're seeing from democrats, most of the stories they have to tell are stories about medicaid. and i think that they are, in certain ways, scared to tell the story because the promise of obama care, this wasn't just a new single payer program, it was something else. and if the success -- >> also medicaid is expensive. it is expensive to taxpayers. let me ask you something about the whole management idea, the katrina comparison that somehow, the president is in a place where they don't trust them or

the government. when you look at sebelius staying, you can understand because he doesn't want a confirmation hearing of somebody up because it becomes a target for obama care, but doesn't something have to happen to say, whoa, we are back in charge? >> here's the problem, this is not going to get better once the website gets fixed. the fundamental problem with obama care is that it is disruptive. 85% of people in this country have some form of health care. it will be impacted, many people will be impacted. negatively who currently have health care. but the tradeoff is supposed to be, 41 million other people who didn't have access to health care now get it. but that's now how it was sold. it was sold as everything's going to be fine, you have your health care, great, you can keep it. you're not going to change. when seniors start seeing their medicare advantage benefits drop, when people who have employer-sponsored health care see their rates go up, they are going to be surprised. and that's going to be a problem. >> however, the website, all of

that is true, but the website creates a much more acute crisis because you have people who -- well, and because you have all the people getting cancellation notices who need that website to buy a new plan. so that's -- >> really quick. >> i just think all the predictions are very interesting, but we have been wrong on prediction after prediction. i think there are -- >> everyone said it will be a mess and it's been a mess so far. hang on a second. when we return, the secretary of explaining stuff shakes up the obama care discussion. >> i personally believe, even if it takes changing the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people. >> bill clinton giving cover to wrestless democrats or was he setting the stage for the next president? that's next. [ imitating engine revving ] that's mine. ♪ that's mine. ♪ that's mine. ♪ come on, kyle.

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i am back with van jones, amy walter and ross doughter. the quote about bill clinton, if i were president, here's what i

would do. why do you see it as offering cover to house democrats who are going home and getting beaten up about obama care at this point? i looked at it and thought, i think he's trying to clear the barriers for his wife's run at the white house in 2016. >> so simple candidate. >> i know. >> i just think he was saying something that a lot of democrats were feeling. it's this crazy maneuver he's trying, that could be true, but a lot of democrats felt like the president could survive a broken website but couldn't survive the broken promise and had to do something about it. and i think the president also agreed and acted. so i think clinton, if clinton had said nothing, the president would have wanted to do the same thing. maybe. >> i don't disagree with that at all. and the thing for hillary clinton in 2016, you know, i love that we this far out are creating all these scenarios.

i do it, too. it's my job. but we have no idea what 2016 is going to look like. and it's also clear that by the way this system is going to work, obama care is rolling out, it's not necessarily going to be perfect by 2016 either. it could be better or it could be bad. >> it could be very good. >> but we also know that it is very hard close to impossible for one party to hold the white house three consecutive terms. even in a good political climate. even if obama care was perfect and it is booming, it is very hard. the decision to run for president is going to rely much more on what does the economy look like and what does the current level of frustration look like with the administration. >> is there anything that would make her not run? >> and right now you would have to say, i mean, i think my assumption has been the only thing that could make her not run is the feeling she would almost certainly lose and, you know, an obvious desire not to

enter as a loser. there's some combination of a total health care catastrophe and, you know, a double-dip recession or something, that's probably the scenario that keeps her out of the race. i think the interesting question for the democratic party as a whole, though, is what -- the clinton comment sort of hints at this, what is the intrademocrat debate look like if obama care is perceived as not working? i'm curious what van thinks, is this a moment when the democrats, the left wing of the party, says we want someone who will push, not to fix obama care, which was always a compromise, but for single payer? >> single payer, it's conceivable, but i think we are a long way from there. and part of what it's coming down to is does the media get tired of pretend on obama care is just a website that didn't work and these cancellation notices? you have to be fair. here's what they would do. for every one story about a c s capslation notice, there would be three stories about obama

care working. every american is winning because they cannot be discriminated. you have every kid under the age of 16 being benefited. we don't tell the stories of successes right now, maybe we get bored about this, but we only talk about the downside. the minute the democrats get it together to promote the incredible successing -- >> you think it's a message problem. >> look, i'm for single payer. i am. part of the thing is we gave up on single payer without a fight. so now this moderate romney plot is going on without a fight. >> so you're saying this thing from republicans isn't working. and it's time to try something else. >> and i'm saying -- i think democrats can make this republican program work and you should think it through. >> thank you so much for coming.

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