joining us on reliable sources. that's it for this edition of reliable sources. if you have any suggestions or comments, you can tweet us at cnnreliable, use the hash tag reliable. join us here next sunday morning at 11:00 a.m. eastern. state of the union with candy crowley begins right now. good morning from washington, i'm candy crowley. six world powers including the united states have sealed a deal designed to slow iran's nuclear program. >> these are substantial limitations which will help prevent iran from building a nuclear weapon. simply put, they cut off iran's most likely paths to a bomb.

>> tehran is celebrating the agreement which will ease sanctions, israel is issuing dire warnings. >> what was concluded in the geneva last night is not an historic agreement. it's a historic mistake. it's not made the world a safer place. >> it doesn't rule out a strike against iran and congressional critics are all right blasting the agreement. we'll talk to three infew wen shall house members and two former u.s. intelligence chiefs on this special edition of state of the union. mr. secretary, thank you for joining us. as my first question, a lot of people say iran is just going to be north korea, a country that

agrees to stop its nuclear ambitions in order to get sanctions lifted and then secretly goes ahead and continues with its program. why do you think iran is not north korea? >> well, there are many reasons why it's not. first of all, it's a member of the npg. secondly, they have engaged in the negotiation, thirdly, they have committed to have daily inspections of certain facilities. they have committed to restrict their activities with those inspections taking place. and in addition to that, they have publicly committed that they are not going to build a nuclear weapon, north korea already has and has tested and will not declare a policy of denuclearization. so there are many different things that lead one to at least say that we ought to be exploring and testing the

possibility of a diplomatic solution. let me be clear, we do that with eyes absolutely wide open. we have no illusions, you don't do this on the basis of somebody's statements to you. you do it on the basis of actions that can be verified and more over, we have kept the basic architecture of the sanctions is staying in place. there is very little relief and we are convinced that over the next few months, we will really be able to put to the test what iran's intentions are. >> so you at this point trust hassan rowhani, the new president in iran to be able to followthrough. are you convinced that he has the power to do so? because you know that the hard liners in iran certainly are singing a different tune than has been sung at the negotiating table? >> absolutely. shrill.

-- absolutely. we're well aware of that. and the simple answer to you is, none of this is based on trust. it's not a question of trust. it's a question of having the verification and the intrusive inspections and the insights into the program and the commitments that can be held accountable so that you are in fact creating a fail safe mechanism by which you are making your judgments. none of this -- when you're dealing with nuclear weapons, it's not an issue of trust, as the old saying goes of gorbachev and reagan, trust but verify. verification is the key. and president obama and i have said since the beginning, we're not just going to verify or trust and verify, we're going to verify and verify and verify. we have to know to a certainty so that israel, gulf states, ourselves, nobody can be

deceived by what is taking place. >> one of the points that the israelis and other who is have been unhappy about these negotiations have made is that there's a difference between halting a march toward nuclear capability and actually dismantling the methods you need to create nuclear bombs. what do you say this morning to the saudis, to the israelis who will say that they feel les safe, that israel is in fact threatened? >> israel is threatened by what has been going on in iran. but i believe that from this day for the next six months, israel is in fact safer than it was yesterday because we now have a mechanism by which we are going to expand the amount of time in which they can break out, rather than narrow it.

we are going to have insights to their program that we didn't have before. we're going to have a destruction of the 20% enrichment, we're going to have a limitation on the low enrichment at 3.5%. we're going to have a limitation on the building and installation of centrifuges. i mean, israel, if you didn't have these things wouldsee ing iran continue on a daily basis. to continue to do the things that it's been doing. i believe that israel in fact will be safer providing we make sure that these -- that these sanctions don't get lifted in a way that reduces the pressure on iran and we don't believe they will be. there's very little sanction relief here, and the basic architecture and the sanctions

stay in place. because the iranian nuclear program is actually set backwards, and is actually locked in to place in critical places, that that is better for israel than if you were just continuing to go down the road and they rush towards a nuclear weapon. >> mr. secretary, what is next, vis-a-vis the relationship between the u.s. and iran? do you see normalizing relations down the road? what is possible in that one-on-one relationship? >> well, nothing is possible until we solve the nuclear problem. and we're not looking -- the only down the road is over the course of the next six months, while we work to solve the nuclear program and if it can be solved, hopefully establish a basis for proceeding forward on other things. but right now, we have made it very clear that the international community requires a resolution of the united

nations resolutions that have been passed, the questions that the international atomic agency has, all these questions need to be answered. so we're trying to set up a process by which we can verify, know what're doing, restrain the program while we negotiate the comprehensive deal. >> and finally, mr. secretary, iran's behavior has been a bad actor in the region and elsewhere, not just because of its pursuit of a nuclear weapon, but because of its relationships there, how it backs assad, a man that the u.s. administration and many other countries don't think should be there. so there are other things that speaks to iran's behavior, do those things have to change? do you think there's a process for us to feel it's possible for

to us have a somewhat normal relationship? >> obviously over the longer term and for in opportunity to really change the relationship, of course, those things have to change. hezbollah is a terrorist organization, fundamentally a client of iran. hezbollah is in syria. iran is engaged in syria. these are issues of deep concern to all of us. in addition to that, we have seen activities around the world, sponsored by iran on occasion that violate the norms of international standards and behavior. so there are lots of things, regrettably that we still have to work on. our hope is that president ro n rowhani and foreign minister zarif want to build this different relationship, want to show in clear ways as we go forward that the program is peaceful. and we are open. what president obama has said is

we are open not to being duped, not to being tricked and not to being led down the primrose path, but open to setting up a verifiabl verifiable, clear process by which everybody, israel, our friends in the region, we in particular, our international allies, can all make clear determinations about what iran is doing in terms of its nuclear program and that it is going to live up to the highest international standards. that's the beginning of the way in which you change the relationship. and that is where we have all decided, iran included, that they're prepared to try to make steps in order to change this relationship. >> secretary of state john kerry, thank you for your time, i know it's been a long day, so we appreciate it. >> thank you, thanks so much, candy, thank you.

i'm joined now by jim sciuto. so six months, where do we go from here in terms of the next step in this deal? >> arguably, this is the tougher time. they have had weeks of very difficult talks to get to a temporary agreement, a temporary halt to some of these agreements here. now they're going to -- you look at centrifuges, iran has agreed to add no more centrifuges, now they're going to get to dismantling all of it. they're going to get to the discussions of tearing it down. so in effect, they have hit the pause button. now they're going to have to hit the delete button. >> it was not made between anybody in the neighborhood of iran, not the saudis, not the other gulf states, not the israelis, and this has raised a

lot of hackless because -- how does the president approach that? >> no question, their approach, their response has been and secretary kerry said that early this morning when the agreement came through that this is a tactical agreement with israel and others. secretary kerry said this makes the world safer. benjamin netanyahu says this makes the world a more dangerous place. there are others, even in the israeli security establishment who have come out and said they're open to talks as a way forward, that if iran abides by this agreement, might make israel safer. so there's disagreement inside israel just as there is disagreement inside the u.s. as well. we're going to see that playing out over the next several months as we walk these longer term

talks take place. >> when we return, president obama's guidance to congress over imposing new sanctions. >> now is not the time to move forward on new sanctions because doing so would derail this promising first step. >> is congress on board? we will get reaction from three key members next. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure.

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joining me now, the chairman and ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee, republican ed royce of california and republican ed engelman of new york. you both have been quite skeptical of this deal before it was made. you remain skeptical now. but let me ask you first chairman royce, what is the alternative to at least starting this process? >> well, remember, the administration opposed the senate putting the key oil sanctions on iran, which the u.s. senate did at 100 to zero vote, and it's those sanctions that got iran to the table in the first place. so our feeling in the legislation that i and eliot engel past in the house, was that we needed to continue to ratchet up those sanctions

untiler rang was willing to agree to give up its nuclear program. until they do that, they're still on the road to having the capability for undetechable -- and take the pressure off of iran, which will allow them to go forward which their economic revitalization of the country which isn't in our interest. >> despite the objections of a lot of people, quite clearly, now is not the time for more sanctions near in this six-month period. do you gee with that? >> let me say that it's disappointing to me that iran is still going to be allow to enrich while they're talking. i would have thought that would be a prerequisite to any of

their talks without asking them to dismantle any of their centrifuges. i think we need to be very, very careful with the iranians, i don't think we should trust them. i agree with chairman royce that it's important to ratchet up the problems with the iranians so that they can -- >> now though? during this six-month period, do you think now is the time to ratchet -- >> i think it's continuing the sanctions, obviously our bill was -- i think that we could have played good cop, bad cop and congress really believes thatsanctions should happen. i i do this sanctions should always be hanging there because that's what brought iran to the table in the first place.

>> congressman royce, one of the things that senator lindsay graham said last night to cnn was, we're still going to do this, and what we're going to do is here are the sanctions that are going to go in place in six months and we'll decide how successful the six months has been. >> i think what senator graham is saying is it would be sort of a -- when we say to the iranians, listen -- you have to be able to hold their feet to the fire on these negotiations because once before, we had an agreement with iran, they walked away from it and the iaea had an agreement with iran and iran went ahead and built an enriched facility building and lied to the iaea -- in the we understand that the people who run iran and

sent the people out to chant death to america last week. unless they have the ability in place to really ratchet it up, we're going to find ourselves exactly where we found ourselves with north korea, is that that nuclear capability will be in the hands of the ayatollah. >> when you look at iran today, do you see the new president acting like a moderate, help to open the way for these talks? or do you see the ayatollah khomeini who is shouting death to america, death to israel, which is the real iran? >> i think the supreme leader is the real iran. >> the one who has said death to america? >> just last week he called israel the rabid dog, the rhetoric hasn't stopped. rowhani is no moderate. no moderates were allowed to run

in the iranian election. all the moderates were excluded. but he's still a hard liner, it's not clear to me that he can make these decisions anyway as the supreme leader, khomeini who can make these decisions and he hasn't shown any kind of moderation whatever. i think we need to use these next six months to make sure that iran dismantles it's program. they keep saying as we speak, they have a right to enrichment, that troubles me, they don't. >> let me ask you, as a final question, at this moment, what do you think is the worst that can happen over the next six months, and there's really not anything right now that congress can do, is there? >> here's the unfortunate thing, we had put enormous pressure on iran and it was having an impact internally. some of the polling out of the country by gallup showed

that 2/3 of the people wanted a western style democracy, and you had hyper inflation, you have mass unemployment in, you have a situation where iran was having a hard time funding the type of instability it likes to create throughout the region. one of the reasons that other regimes throughout the middle east are concerned about our approach is that they feel that in letting up on iran and loi t lifting sanctions in iran, to take that money and continue to support hezbollah, hamas, attempts to overthrow saudi arabia, their match nations in other governments arounda region. >> they're still a sponsor of terrorism. >> they are a state sponsor of terrorism trying to get a bomb. >> thank you so much, ed royce,

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with me now, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, congressman mike rogers.

let me begin with something that the iranians were quite fixed on during the course of these negotiations. and that was the idea of whether or not they have a right to an enrichment program which they say would just be for nuclear power, for peaceful reasons. >> we believe that the current agreement, the current plan of action as we call it, in two distinct phases has a very clear preference to the fact that iranian enrichment plan will continue and will be a part of any agreement. now and in the future. >> whoa, now i must say that the secretary of state said, now, people are going to tell you that there is written in here the right to enrichment and there isn't. so they already disagree on what the agreement is.

>> we have just rewarded some very bad and dangerous behavior. think about what this behavior does. it says you can continue to enrich, that's what the iranians believe. and they have made no changes in the development of their weapons program. and i can tell you that will a high degree of certainty. this is the nation's -- political assassination right here in washington, d.c., they believe contributed to the deaths of hundreds of u.s. soldiers in iraq and afghanistan, who continues to be the mange driver -- other political assassination attempts and what have we done? we have taken away the one thing, we have given them enough breathing room, the one thing that's brought them to the table. bipartisan opposition in congress, very strong opposition to the deal. our arab league partners don't like the deal.

israel doesn't like the deal and we may have just encouraged more violence in the future than we have stopped. that's why i hope we reconsider where we're at. >> the deal is there, and there's not much congress can do at this particular point, because it's a deal. the question, though, is that they are freezing their -- much of their program at any rate, they are if we are to believe this plan, allowing access to at least some of its reactor sites, et cetera, et cetera and i want to play you something that john kerry says of the criticism he knew was coming. >> finally, i know that there are those who will assert that this deal is imperfect. well, they too bear a responsibility and that is to tell people what the better alternative is. >> gladly.

the president opposed the first round of sanctions, they work on iran. constitutionally mandated sanctions passed with huge by partisan support. this is the third round, and what we are finally starting to do is starting to -- business class of iran. what they have done. remember, they're overburdened, they're supporting hezbollah, a terrorist organization oefperatg in syria, they have got all of these pressures. and finally we're getting to a place that would really bite. is the nuclear weapon going to create the destruction of our country financially? what they have just done is stop this second roungd. round. they spent the last month loblying not what the deal would be or wouldn't be. but please don't do another round of sanctions. that tells me they don't understand what capabilities

they have now and what they're seeking to do and that's dangerous. you just pushed them into making a nuclear weapon. but beyond that, we are where we are, there is an agreement however heinous the past has been about iran and you're privy to a lot of the intelligence information that most people aren't. what tease the real iran today that we have made an agreement with? >> well, it is a very dangerous place that has the sheer determination is to understand. i heard the secretary recently, again, this is a by bipart san effort here. why we lease that pressure now?

iran had not changed. the terrorist arm, that does state sponsored activities around the world, including trying an attempt here in the united states. they continue their cyber efforts to attack, according to published reports, none of that has changed. the only thing that's changed is you have now given them a permission slip to continue enrichment. that's what the iranians walked away from, that's the one thing the whole world was trying to stop them from doing, that's why i don't understand their rela rhetoric on this. we know when you go down this path, we made this mistake in pakistan, question made this mistake in north korea. and history is a great judge here and a great teacher, why would you make an agreement that will proliferate the arms race in region. >> when we return, can iran be

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>> is there harm in the pause? benjamin netanyahu says there is harm in the pause because it will allow them to regroup. but is there harm in a six-month pause? >> i think it's a huge deal in the middle east and i think it's not only the nuclear everyone indications. but i think the question of what's this going to do to iran's ambitions. >> because nobody in the region other than iran is a party to this. nobody in the neighborhood is a party to it. and it seems like most people in the neighborhood from the gulf states to israel are going, no, because as we know, iran is heavily involve in syria and

hezbollah and not on the side that the u.s. is. but how do you ever make a deal unless you start the deal somewhere? >> agreed, but as the ambassador pointed out, this, you know, we have been broadly aligned with the sunniings and the israelis in the region. and now they're perceiving this as our moving in the direction of an accommodation, perhaps a deep accommodation for the future with the iranians. this takes an awful lot of hand holding to deep our allies on side. and it doesn't appear we have done a whole lot of that today. >> it doesn't. and what is that hand holding, sure you can hand hold, but don't there also have to be actions? it certainly seems between israel and what we're hearing behind the scenes in saudi arabia and others, that it's been very tense. >> i think what the general meant by hand holding is now an intensified diplomacy with both the gulf countries and with israel. another point to make is, this agreement deals with the issue

basically of enrichment and doesn't, as has been pointed out by the other speaker this is morning, doesn't even deal with it entirely at this particular point. but what has not been discussed or has been omitted is other elements of thor ran nuclear program, delivery systems and the weaponization and it doesn't deal with iran's behavior to which you just alluded. >> there seems to me to be now two voices from iran, i don't know whether there's actually two parts of iran, we have this moderate and people object to that term, the new president there, and yet we have khamenei, the supreme ayatollah. what is the real iran? >> the real iran, in terms of the actions of the iranian

state, the actions of the supreme leader, he is the one that will determine iran's course of action here. >> so the issue is, has he changed his mind? and we don't know that for sure. >> doesn't sound like it. >> the one thing i would say is that he has allowed my counter part at the united nations, the ambassador of the u.n., he has allowed him a much more prominent role than zarif's been allowed in the last several years, so i take that as some kind of -- it doesn't tell you if the leopard has changed its spots. >> do you perceive the help part t ayatollah ever giving up nuclear ambitions? >> that's what we have got to work hard on over the next six months. and what worries a number of people is that we will get salami sliced.

i think we have to press hard over the next six months until the entire package has been accomplished. >> well, we'll get six months down the root and they won't have reached the entire package. but they're not going to undo the pause, they're going to sigh, well, we're making progress. and you can sort of see an iran that gives just a little, but keeps what it's got. >> candy, the worst, practically the worst of all possible outcomes, because what you have here is a nuclear capable state. and that is iran's bottom line. so what we're negotiating on is -- this doesn't roll back anything at all. it becomes a permanent agreement.

>> do you have the same fear, we're not looking at an iran's giving up its capability? we're pushing back how quick low they can get to nuclear capability? >> the one reversal that has taken place, is going to be the destruction of the uranium that's been refined up to 20%. but everything else is skorltor still on the table, and you've got to deal with it as quickly a possible. >> thank you both for joining us this morning. when we come back, what the iran deal means for president obama's legacy. i started part-time, now i'm a manager.n. my employer matches my charitable giving. really. i get bonuses even working part-time. where i work, over 400 people are promoted every day. healthcare starting under $40 a month. i got education benefits. i work at walmart.

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joining me around the table. associate editor of the hill and the republican strategist and the cnn political comment tate for. thank you for joining us on this day after historic day. i want to talk a little bit

about the president it's foreign policy. in a recent poll, cbs news, the question was what's your been of obama foreign policy. only 38% approved. 50% disapproved. same time frame, krcnn had a po where we asked about approval for the interim deal. 56% favor it. so in the short-term, a president who's in trouble over health care and a number of other things, does this give him a breather, a built of a break, a little boost in the polls, a little strength. >> i think it definitely needs to be acknowledged that the sanctions have brought us to the point where he had the leverage to actually have negotiations with the iranians because they were so desperate for -- if the iranians don't comply and there's more questions about what this has done and the

continued opposition from the israelis, et cetera, then it becomes a mistake. >> right. >> any time you see the president striding the world stage, he's the captain of the ship of state, you see him as the father figure for the country, that's a good thing for the president politically, however i think we're seeing here the reformation of the political party. barack obama, obama care, the era of big government is back domestically, now we're seeing a give peace a chance democratic party. so this democratic party is going to go into 2014 and '16 is not hillary clinton's party. this is more of an elizabeth warren, george mcgovern policy. >> i think the american people appreciate leadership. they saw a real accomplishment of progress in iran.

what you see here is a pretty significant shift in foreign policy. when you first started to see it happen was -- and after that, you know, a lot of folks like the alexs of the world back then say this is mcgovern, this is weak, but his poll numbers went up. trust in him went up. i think what you'll see here is that progress has been made. and i think that's good for the nation. >> but longer term, just humor me a little bit. when you look at, i'm a little surprised at the low numbers that approve of the president's foreign policy, the end of the war in iraq is winding down the war in afghanistan, he did get osama bin laden, now a deal with iran, which most people say they wanted, interim though it may be, why in terms of legacy, could foreign policy be that? we have always talked about health care as health care, could it be foreign policy? >> the way i think republicans

look at this and a lot of concerned americans is that he has retreated from the world, not exactly made america stronger, you know, we're the -- america is the glue that holds the civilized world together. it's our presence and strength and how we are respected by our friends and feared by oured a very a adversaries. we're just one of many countries that's working to make the world a better place. the world has become more uncertain. the middle east is on fire. the soviets are reempowering themselves. the -- even lat ten america is a les stable place, and now in a much more connected world, it's a less certain world for the united states, at the same time, he's reducing our military. we're going to a 200-ship navy. so a weaker america, a less

respected america, in a more uncertain world, that i think is going to be his legacy. >> i'm going to give you a chance to respond to that, but then i'm going to move on to republicans. >> one group that probably duds not agree with you is al qaeda. the president completely decimated al qaeda. the leadership is ooeler dead or -- cannot attack the united states the way they did on 9/11. we're a lot stronger than we were when president obama started in 2009 at this home. particularly, when as we have moved iran further away from getting a nuclear weapon. >> a lot of intelligence folks have -- it has reconstituted itself in many forms, but he did go after a lot of leaders, but now it's a slightly different and a lot of people are saying a scarier threat. >> the response was made people more anxious, the country was

opposed to intervention, but they weren't really sure about what the syrians agreed to. so americans remain more anat n ati sanctions, no matter how many victories, they still look at the leadership and the anxiety shows up. >> they're going to go out and develop their own nuclear capabilities. if israel thinks we have to act independently of the united states, israel is going to in my view a more uncertain place. >> i want to move on. john cornyn, running for reelection, senator, a republican, tweeted out pretty immediately after the deal was announced, amazing what white house will do to distract

attention from o-care. it may be a distraction from obama care, but it was not hey let's get an agreement with iran so we cannot talk about health care, this week, right now, it's really bad. >> any american president, republican or democrat would risk the security of your country to distract from even the worst political disaster you could imagine which may end up being obama care. however, weakness invites the wolves. when you're in a weak position politically, as leader of the united states, you do maybe look for -- you're a little more open to things that you should. be open to. i think senator cornyn might have reworded that to be a 4rib more accurate. >> there's a danger republicans can overplay their hand on this sort of thing. >> i think as long as there are democrats opposing this deal, then they really still have a

leg to stand on. but again, i think people need to acknowledge that the sanctions brought us to that point. >> bill, you get the first worth next time. thank you guys. and thank you all for watching state of the union. i'm candy crowley in washington. if you missed any part of today's show, find us on i-tunes. fareed zakaria d -- >> this is gps, the global publ public square. i'm coming to you from bali, indonesia. we have a very important show for you today, starting with the iranian nuclear talks in geneva. we have reporters and experts help you make consistency of it all. then we'll take you to mars, one of the most innovative minds says we need to get there.