with more freshness in a single sheet. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and across the world. welcome to my studio audience. this is a town hall special. [ applause ] good evening pastor rick warren is here answering your questions on faith and purpose in this holiday season. dealing with family tragedy and on the catholic church and the faith-based diet plan that saved his life and could save yours or mine for that matter. joining me now is pastor rick warren. great to see you. >> thanks, piers, good to be

back. >> it's been a few months since we last sat down. a heart wrenching interview i did with you and your wife kay. it touched a nerve with so many people, to have somebody's whose job on a daily basis is comforting somebody else. >> yeah. >> to have this awful tragedy of the suicide of your son hit you as a family. >> yeah, resinated with people. how are you coping, since i lost spoke to you as a family? >> well, i'm doing the same things we talked about in that interview. i'm spending a lot of time not just with friends who support me but also in solitude, in prayer, in thinking in grieving, and when i feel an emotion, i let it out. if you shake up a coke bottle and don't let it out, it will come outside ways and grief is actually a good thing. it helps us get through the transitions of life. it helps us make through the difficulties and so, what i've

actually been spending a lot of time doing lately is helping other people because when we did that interview, people who either had a family member who was mentally ill or had family member whose taken their life, came out of the wood work, and either following me on facebook or twitter or instagram or e-mails, all of a sudden, both kay and i have received, and i'm not exaggerating tens of thousands of letters, calls and notes from i get it. i know what you're going through. and many times, i don't have an answer for these people. it's just, i understand. i understand. i understand what you're going through. >> there was one question that many people i think were fascinated by your answer to, and there's a member of the audience who has a question for you, which i think touches on the same thing. bonnie smith, what's your question for rick warren? >> i had a child that passed away, and it's been 36 years, and i've accepted it as much as

i can, and i'm living a normal life now but my struggle is trying to, again, get peace with myself for why, why did this happen to me? why when you hear so many times, piers said it many times on his show, that's the worst thing that could ever happen to anybody. >> yeah. >> and it did happen. i have to live with it, but i somehow want to come to peace with why so i can put that aside, and i haven't been able to. >> rick, i suppose the general question on the back of that is how can a loving god. >> right. >> put people through such terrible pain of taking a child away? >> yeah. well, again, as i said, you know, it would be very easy for god to remove all the evil in the world, take away my freedom to do it and your freedom to do it. he could make us puppets to always dot right thing, but we don't. he gave us this freedom because

god wants people to genuinely love him. it isn't love unless you have the freedom to not love. in other words, if i'm forced to love you, it's not real love. so i have to have a choice. so while god is not the author of evil, the bible says god cannot do evil, one day will destroy evil, in the meantime, god is allowing this choice and evening on this planet is broken by evil. broken by sin. our bodies are broken. they don't work perfectly. the weather is broken. the economy is broken. every marriage is broken. nothing is perfect on this planet. we shouldn't expect it. that's why we pray i will be done on earth as in heaven because in heaven god's will is done per if he cannily. on earth it's done rarely. that's why we prayer god thy will be done on earth as in heaven. now, if we're looking for the answer to the question why in order to feel good, even if you

know why, it's not going to take away your pain. so stop asking why. you see, if kay were to drop dead tomorrow and i were to know the reason why, it wouldn't make it any less painful. explanations never comfort. god specializes in turning curse fictions into resurrections. he specializes in bringing good out of bad. anybody can bring good out of good. god specializes in bringing good out of bad. i can see how god brought good out of the terrible badness of my son's suicide. it's made me more sensitive. i'm much more sensitized to people's pain. >> are you a better pastor do you think because -- >> without a doubt. >> because of the steering agony you've had -- >> without a doubt. if you study anybody whose used greatly, you go through pain. it's pain that actually sense sizes. in fact, i won't hire anyone on

my staff who hasn't gone through major pain. i do this because if you've never gone through major pain, then you tend to -- when people are in pain, your attitude well get over it. it's insensitive. buck up, do better and you're going, you have no idea. you have no idea. it is humanizing. it is -- it humbles you. and so the changes that take place in you are what i call -- the bible calls it sant fa case but when i come more like christ in attitude more love, more joy, more peace, more patience, more kindness, these are kings that come through brokenness. >> let me play a clip of kay talking in the interview we did together about matthew and the issue of guns and mental illness. >> when did you finally get -- >> a month before -- before he took his life. >> do you know how he got it? who he got it from? >> he told me that he -- he told me everything. and he told me that he had found

somebody finally on the internet who would sell it to him and it had to be super incrypted and it had to be this whole process and he begged me to help him because he couldn't figure out the process. again, there is so many, so many moments on terrible choices with mental illness. >> i mean, even since then we've seen other incidents, the naval yard shooting. >> yeah. >> the suicide, the virginia senator creed deed s and so on. a lot of incidents, always come back it seems to this lethal cocktail of wemental illness an availability of guns. nobody seems to be tackling this. how do we get to grips with this? >> the reason it's hard to tackle, there are so many guns out there. in the first place, there are almost as many guns in america as people, 300 million or something plus guns. i don't -- i can't see any foreseeable future. we'll be able to pull those back

from law-abiding citizens. in the first place, the constitution allows them to have it. but while i may not be able to do everything, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill people? i don't care whether you're conservative or liberal or anywhere in between. everybody will agree, guns do not belong in the hands of mentally ill people. >> what does it say about a great country like america, the great super power of the world, here we are a year after 20 elementary school children were literally blown to pieces in their classrooms and the president stood there a few days later and said i will take action. here we are a year later and absolutely nothing has been done, nothing. >> yeah. >> no background checks brought in. no ban on assault weapons, no ban on high capacity magazines, nobody in washington has done anything to try to prevent this happening again. what does that tell you about the state of the debate about

this, never mind anything else? >> yeah, i don't know -- i don't know how they are going to attack it politically. i do know as a pastor, i have to attack it anyway i can. and one of the ways that i can do it is deal with the mental illness area. why are there so many people mentally ill out there not getting the help they need? we have since the regan administration, the number of facilities, the beds for mentally ill people has dropped -- i wouldn't give the statistic but ten-fold easily. >> which is scandalous. >> it is. if you care about homeless people, you have to care about mental illness. if you care about police people dealing with people on the streets, then you got to care about mental illness because a lot of those crimes are committed by mental illness. if you care about vets returning

home from war, you have to care about mental illness because many are dealing with posttraumatic stress syndrome. mental illness touches into far more areas than simply that person is crazy. right now whose caring for them is the families. we talked about this before. there is not enough support of families more mentally ill because to care for the individual rights of privacy. i had a son who my son gave me permission to talk to the doctors about his mental illness and gave caper mission and the doctors wouldn't talk to us for fear of lawsuits. and i'm going, now that's just wrong. we have to somehow give the tools to the mentally ill people. all those people mentally ill out there with guns, somebody is a parent to those people. those parents are probably thrown up their hands going i have no support, no resources and so i think we've got to hit it on four or five different angles.

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from cyber bullying to victim attacks caught on mobile phones, people are wondering is america losing its sense of right and wrong? to talk pastor rick warren and the studio audience. this new phenomenon related to the internet, to social media, to camera phones and videos, everybody wanting to put everything out there. it attracts bad people who do bad things, cyber bulge is an epidemic in america and around the world and the knockout game, it's not a game but a horrendous thing that led to people losing lives where young kids are beating people up to knock them out and record it and post it on

some kind of social media. what is this telling you as america's pastor about the state of morality in america right now, and how do we tackle it? >> well, i think you hit it on the head, piers, when you said the internet has really made it a meg phone. it's created a platform. these kind of things have been there, but they are magnified now because everything on the internet is permanent, it's global, and it's searchable. and so for instance, we all have a sense of narcissim in our lives where it's about us, but the internet feeds that, and so i think that the drug of choice today is fame. i think fame is more important to a young adults today than anything else. and everybody is trying to live either a, a perfect life on the internet and posting like my perfect life on instagram or twitter, things like that, or if

i don't have a perfect life, if i can't get approval, i'll get attention. and i will get attention by doing something bizarre and mean spirited or whatever. our civilization is losing its civility and the internet is increasing the amount of rudeness. if i'm sitting here talking to you, we have to have a sense of civility. we can disagree, and in fact, we do. we can be civil and treat each other with respect but when i hide behind a screen, i can throw fire bombs at you and say all kind -- sbl and you've actually had this -- >> of course. >> over the death of your son, matthew. >> yeah. >> you had not just people setting up fake sites to get money out of the situation, but directly abusing you over rumors about him and so on. >> right. >> incredibly hurtful. >> we've actually closed down now over 600 fake facebook sites

of people trying to make money on my son's death using my name. >> that's amazing did. >> 600. on monday, they closed down 13 just on monday. this is six months later. and so, the internet has allowed people to become famous -- andy war hall statement of 15 minutes. we're doing it for the wrong things. hiding behind a screen, i can say mean-spirited things that i wouldn't say to your face. i invited critics of saddle back church and across the table they are meek and mild as a kitten and will go back and write something fairly nice and then imminently they are attacked because you attract what you are. and if you spew hate all the time then you attract haters. the moment you try to show love, you become the target, and so

then immediately, they have to go back and say i didn't mean that -- >> this knockout -- i'm not going to call it a game. it's an atrocity with young kids marching in gangs, knocking out old people, women, whoever they can find to record it online and just post it, as you say, to be famous, infamous. >> right. i know this is controversial but i personally believe this is because of the absence of fathers in the lives of young kids that most kids in america today are growing up without the presence of a father in their life. most kids. i think probably 26% of all anglo kids grow up without the presence of a father. nearly half hispanics and nearly 70% african american, together, it's over half of the kids growing up today don't have a father figure in their lives. going, hey, don't do that. don't do that. now, what about those kids who

don't have a dad? well, studies have shown that the single number one determining fact of whether a kid will succeed in life or not is a -- the presence of a caring adult in their life. and an interesting fact or study showed it doesn't have to be a dad. it just has to be an adult. and so it may be a coach. it may be a big brother. it may be a teacher. it may be somebody at church. it may be somebody who comes alongside, but we are missing this mentoring of the next generation. >> and if it's not a good mentor, it is likely to be a gang leader or somebody who can offer some kind of group. >> yeah. >> or love of some weird type to these kids. >> every kid is going to be part of a grown up, either good or bad. if you don't provide a good one, then they will be part of a bad one. i'm actually speaking on this at christmas. i'm doing a message of the

transforming power of unconditional love. the bible says god so loved the world he gave. this christmas gift of god's gift and what one of the things that if i've never felt unconditionally loved by somebody, i spend most of my life trying to figure out what my identity is. and i'm going to go out here and if i can't find it in god or in my family, then i'm going to find it in maybe some kind of bizarre behavior, and so i'm actually going to speak on this on christmas. i do 14 services, and we talk about how you need the unconditional love. you need to feel it, not just know god loves you but to feel it so it transforms your identity from i don't have to prove my -- why are kids in gangs? looking for identity pure and simple. >> let's take another break and talk about leadership. this is what it comes down to whether in a fm family or institution. i'm a catholic and extraordinary

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pope francis is surprising people with statements about the poor, abortion and gay marriage and to talk about this is pastor rick warren, the founder of saddle back church and my studio

audience. he's making a hell of a noise out there and as a catholic, i like the caliber of this noise. >> yes. >> i am nothing -- [ applause ] >> -- but impressed by this new pope. amazing. first place, in my book, the three most important characteristics are humility, integrity and generosity. in the first months of his leadership, he has shown those symbolically what he has done for a lifetime. okay? humility of showing up -- you know, paying his own hotel bill and checking out. you know, stewing all of the -- all of the bling and other things, the power, things like that. this is a man who spent his life working with the poor. this is a man i happen to admire because of his work with people of hiv and aids and saddle back has been involved in that.

we just had world aids day where we've been real involved in helping try to remove the stigma and getting the zero but the end of this decade, if we can, with aids. his integrity. i love the fact before he starts talking about, you know, businessmen being greedy. he talks about bishops being greedy. >> right. >> okay? and before he starts talking about the low morals in the world, he talks about low morals in the church. okay? let's do a little house-cleaning at home first. >> he also -- >> i love that. [ applause ] >> i agree with you. he -- he may love the news by krcriticizing the trickled down theory. some people continue to defend trickle down theories that assume economic growth will succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusi inclusiveness in the world. this expresses a crude in the

world and waiting. it's interesting the reaction, you have conservative radio talk show hose rush limbaugh who said this. >> if it weren't for capitalism, i don't know where the catholic church would be. as i mentioned before, i'm not catholic. i admire it profoundly, and i've been tempted a number of times to devil deeper into it. but the pope here has now gone beyond ka thol sis m here and this is pure political. >> now it probably is pure political as well as anything else, but not end, isn't the pope just effectively standing up as he always has done for the poor by what he said? >> absolutely. first, he has the authority of speaking as a man who helped the poor. here is an interesting thing about priests, bishops, cardinals, pastors, ministers or anybody else. much of the world is happy for us to have an opinion, as long as it's only about jesus.

[ laughter ] >> okay? they don't want us to have an opinion about anything else. so, the pope can't have an opinion on economics? really? it's like that's off limits for him to have? now, whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant. the fact is, in the first place, on a leader, i think every leader should be given a 10% grace factor on anything he says because things are taken out of context all the type. i make one-sentence statements all the time and you put it over here, rick meant that. i don't believe that at all. >> he followed up with this tweet, which is interesting. if money and material things become the center of our lives, they seize us and make us slaves and, you know -- >> exactly right. >> i watched, as i always do, at this time of year in america, after a difficult year financially for so many millions of americans, you look at black friday and cyber monday and the

whole country goes bankers. >> there is a whole difference between being quote a socialist, communist and someone who says mater list m cannot be our god. those are totally different things. just because a person says we cannot make money, the all mighty god doesn't mean he's anti capitolest in any way. commune nice m says what yours is mine and i have a right to take it. capitalism says, what's mine is mine and i have a right to keep it. christianity says, what's mine is actually god's, and i'm willing to share it. >> right. >> okay? and -- and i have no doubt -- i have no doubt. i haven't talked about it but i have no doubt that's what he believes because that's the doctrine of the church. we are called to share. and while i'm much more in favor of voluntary sharing than forced

sharing. okay? and i'm in favor of saddle back is what's called the peace plan, peace, equipped leaders, care for the poor, educate the sick. in the last year i sent 23,000 of my members to 196 countries to assist the poor, care for the sick, educate the next generation. those things get done by churches all the time. and so, to limit the church that you can only speak on this one area, i think it's nonsense. >> what about what he said about gays? he said this, if somebody is gay and seeks the law with goodwill, who am i to judge? this seemed a huge departure from anything i could have remembered any previous pope saying. it flies against what many catholics would say to themselves. you and i debated this before about gay rights, gay marriage, clearly a movement in america as there is around the world

towards a much more toll rant attitude towards this. have you in the last two years, since i last i think debated this point with you, have you moved at all now? are you recognizing that there is this seemingly unstoppable movement? >> well, i don't get to change what god says is right and what god says is wrong. i think god is real clear that all sex outside of marriage is wrong. but the issue here is the issue of respect. while i may disagree with you on your views on sexuality, it does not give me a right to demean you, to demoralize you, defame you, to turn you into a demon, see, tolerance, piers, used to mean we treat each other with mutual respect, even if we have major disagreemendisagreements. today tolerance is changed to mean all ideas are equally valid. well, that's nonsense.

all ideas are not equally valid. you can say the moon is made of cheese, and i can say the moon is made of beans. >> but do you agree with equality for all in your heart and i think i took issue with you before and i will again. how can you really as a christian man, a great man, how can you aspouse genuine equality if you don't allow gay people the same rights as straight people get married? >> i would like to reposition it this way. i'm more against the redefinition of the term marriage than anything else. i don't think other groups get an opportunity to redefine a term. for instance, if a muslim says this is a term we use and all of a sudden i take that term and mean it for me, that's not right. and i think historically around the world, the vast majority of people would say marriage means one man and one woman in a

commitment. don't take a term and make it something different. talked about double speak where words mean the exact opposite of what they used to mean. i'm going, okay, in the first place, it's not against the law for you to love anybody, a man or a woman. okay? it's not criminal, at least shouldn't be. but when you start taking a term, then why are you talking that term -- >> that term is from the bible, right? >> well, i -- certainly the bible says god created marriage. >> right. see my issue with that is there are many things in the bible which simply today wouldn't fly. >> i understand you don't accept the bible like i did. >> if you look at me in a lust chl way or any woman in this audience, according to the bible you should be stoned to death. clearly, we don't do that anymore. the there are a number of things in the bible that seem -- >> okay. let me -- >> and therefore one more time, i'm going to come back at you, we'll keep talking about this i'm sure for years to come and

eventually i'll beat you down. [ laughter ] >> oh, he of little faith. >> do you think you'll change? can you see -- you're a man -- he has this incredible library, rick warren, literally one of the great libraries i've ever seen. kept beautifully. you have great books by great scholars, many, many of them evolved thought processes depending how they see -- can you see a time when not just you but other christian preachers and the catholic church and others say, you know what? actually real equality means everyone has the same right to get married gay or straight? >> i cannot see that happening in my life. i fear the disapproval of god more than i fear your disapproval or the disapproval of society. and so, i can't change what i think god has said. now i believe in the infallibility of strike top tou.

so interpretations can be wrong. we know that that is true. but i believe that what scripture says is that sex is for a man and a woman in hard rage. >> let's take another break because i'm not going to win this argument today. [ laughter ] >> clearly -- >> but you keep having me back on your show. [ laughter ] >> so that's the cool thing. >> let's come back and talk about how faith can help me lose weight, because i rather like this idea. [ applause ] . rustles, outdoor sounds ] ♪ [ male announcer ] laura's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. but add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance

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>> a trilogy. >> rick warren, what is this about? is the daniel plan? how are you going to get me healthier in 40 days? >> most diet plans are simplistic because they only deal with food and fitness. human beings are far more complex than this. it's not just what you eat but what is you that can affect your health. and so we took a much larger approach, what we call the five fs, faith and that is what is my motivation behind getting healthy? focus, and that is how do i need to think in order to be healthy? friends, which is i don't get healthy on my own. i need other people. then food, eating correctly, and then fitness. and so we added in what we call the secret sauce, which is adding in the issues of your motivation and your community that's helping you and how you think about it, changing your

way in all three areas. >> see, before i meet, i pray every week to lose weight and nothing happens. so i'm not sure god is listening to me. out of interest -- >> let's get on our knees right now together. >> how many people in the audience tried a diet? of those, how many have been completely successful in keeping the weight down after the diet? okay. a lot fewer hands. congratulations to those. i think i saw a hand back here. its incredibly difficult. you yoyoed in weight all your life. particularly, it's interesting talking to you before we started, you were hit by big issues this year which hit many people which cause weight increase. you had a back injury, a terrible loss in your family. >> didn't sleep for six month when is matthew died and people were bringing us food every day for months. >> right. >> i actually on the daniel plan lost 65 per my goal of 90, then

actually aftermath through died, all of that period and ally being able to exercise, too, because of my back, i was in the hospital, i gained about 35 back. i lost 30 of that. i will prove twice that this plan works. [ laughter ] >> you know, it all started -- i've written -- i only get about a book out a decade. in the '90s. >> each one sells 3 billion copies. >> a lot. >> this one is on physical health and the reason why is i discovered that a lot of people want to change, make changes in their life but don't have the energy to make changes. i would like to work on my marriage, i would like to work on my finances, i would like to work on my career. i come out at night, i'm worn out. i'm sick of tired and being sick of tired and i lay on the couch and i don't have the energy to change. if i could get the energy up -- >> i'm going to be mr. skeptic here, you're a family physician. why should sspirituality, the

power of prayer, have any effect on my ability to be fit or lose weight? >> you know, what is extraordinary, piers, is that people change together and community. when you look at the science of behavior change, people change together. we get better together. the science of changing biology, how to get healthy, it's easy. you eat the right today, exercise and take care of yourself. how to get people to change behavior? that's the secret. it's a social power of the social network. you're more likely to be over weight if your friend's friend's friend is over weight than if your parents are over weight. the social threads that connect us are far important. >> you're a physiatrist, getting into your world, how will you convince people in their heads, never mind anything else to come and do this? this is the master plan, you have to persuade them. >> there are 140 studies that say as your weight goes up, the actual physical size and function of your brain goes

down. >> that scared me -- >> is that true? >> that's true. >> the brain gets smaller as you get fatter? >> yes. >> wow. >> i published two studies because fat produces something called -- >> i'm sucking in my stomach as we speak. and that's what rick said -- >> what caught my attention. >> wasn't getting healthy for his heart, not to live linger because he's going to heaven, to be sexier because he's sexy, what he understood is his inthrough wednesday comes from the health of his brain and if 70% of americans are over weight. this is the biggest brain drain in the history of the united states as we're unhealthy, we're not going to be making good decisions. >> okay. let's take a short break and come back and i want to know in 40 days, how much weight i realistically, if i stick rigidly to the experts here, how much i'm going to lose. [ applause ] . across america people are taking charge

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i want to start with a question here. this is from richard. one of the members of our audience. richard, where are you? over there. what's your question? >> i'm a nurse practitioner and wondering if i should advise my patients to wait until after the holidays to start the 40 days. >> absolutely not. lose weight through the holidays. >> you want to drink, eat and merry? how will i do that with scrooge sitting here saying, oh no, get down to the gym? >> who has more fun, the person with good or bad brain? >> the person with the good bottle of jack daniels. >> there's a difference between deprivation. >> this is about abundance, it is about delicious food and not giving up what you love. it is about giving up the stuff that's not creating wellness and health for you. you can have a fabulous meal, fabulous food and fabulous flavor without giving up anything. that's the whole point.

>> every six weeks i feel an inherent craving to march to mcdonald's and have a big mac and large fries. i do it religiously. no offense, rick. does it matter? >> start reading the label. get on the internet. >> but iowa n't to eat it. i like it. >> of course. >> even though i know it's terrible. >> they have food scientists to combine fat, sugar and salt to work on the pleasure center in your brain to get you addicted. >> so look. this book, not real lay conventional diet book, is it? this is more about the psychology. tell me, what are you hoping? many of this audience tried and failed with diets through their lives, when's the key takeaway to change things? >> eat real food. if it was made by men in a factory it is probably not good for you. created by nature, god, it is good for you. >> plant food? >> nuts, seeds, beans, whole

grains. >> made in a plant, don't eat it. made on the plant, eat that. >> meat? >> yeah. >> as much as you like? >> meat, chicken, fish, they're all foods that come from the earth. >> what's one of the biggest no-noes? >> sugar, flour, trans fat. msg. the abundant thing that is are driving addiction. >> i see the faces go, oh no, i love doughnuts and i love -- >> that's addiction. that's not love. >> what do you think has been the most effective thing for you in terms of losing weight? >> well, there are three things. one, i got a group. we have 6,000 -- actually 7,000 small groups at saddleback church and we put a health champion in the groups to help them in the daniel plan. by doing it in community, it's like having your accountability support group. that's one. second, i changed the motivation. because the motivation -- it was

never enough motivation of i want to look good and i want to feel good. i take this from a spiritual viewpoint. the bible says, god created my body. jesus died for my body. the spirit lives in my body. so he better expect me to take care of it. actually, when daniel began to talk about the influence of poor health on your brain, that's something i cared about. >> see, that was the -- >> i cared about it. >> i don't want my brain shrinking. >> me neither. it is not simply to do food and fitness. you got to do focus, that's the change the way you think. you got to do friends. you got to get support group and you got to do faith and that is, what's your motivation, bigger than simply i want to look good? >> fascinating stuff, gentlemen. i think it's going to be a big hit. 40 days to a healthier life. rick warren, daniel amen, mark hyman. thank you, indeed. are you ready for this? i see quite a few nodding heads.

rick, just final question for you. obviously, you said the most difficult year of your life. how will you be spending christmas this year as a family? >> you know, christmas -- there's three purposes of christmas. three things that the angels said, i bring you good news of great joy for unto you is born this day a savior and peace on earth, goodwill toward men. i try to do at christmas those three things. celebration, salvation and reconciliation. that's how i spend christmas. >> great to see you. a surprise for the audience. you will see copies of both of rick's books. we'll be right back.

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i did a first remodel for a wounded veteran. god put a position in my heart to help these families. >> this apartment i live in, it's not set up for my needs.

the doors aren't as wide as they should be. the bathroom isn't as big as it should bement some of the shelves are too high. >> i got this. >> you know the young men and women need a lot of help. unfortunately, i don't have a help in a lot of areas. but i do know how to build a home. >> it kind of bugs me at night going to sleep. it's like, well, what's next is the big question. to me, when's next is getting a house and going to school and finding a career. everything is kind of on hold right now until i get a place that is mine.

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audience and pastor rick warren and co-authors dr. amen and dr. hyman. "the daniel plan." i'll be starting it in january. that's it for us tonight. see you all here next time. the following is a cnn special report. into the tunnel! let's use the tunnel. >> we knew him as "fast & furious." a california surfer. >> i remember him, sandy beach hair in surf trunks paddling out into the water. >> he had the blue eyes, blond hair. >> turned mega watt movie star. >> i thought this young guy is so full of light. he really can act. >> but so much of paul walker's passion was played offscreen. >> he said he was one foot ,