>> to the extent he was pretty ingenious about it that's one for the books. >> quite extraordinary. joanna, you know james. you know the family here quite well. does this >> hey, he's a smart guy. that's all i got to say.

him and my son ran around together in high school, and my grandson and his oldest boy ran around together. very smart guy. very smart guy. i'm not surprised at all. i'm very, very proud of him. >> and so you should be. paul, we understand the condition of everyone is good. everyone's health appears to be stable. no frost bite and exposure and a bit of trama for the kids. are they, as you understand, expected to make a full and speedy recovery. >> i would expect they make a full recovery. of course, i'm not a doctor but i've been through countless searches and i'm very surprised, very pleased with the outcome. makes a great christmas story. >> in terms of your advice, paul, who may be exposed to similar conditions, the first bit of advice is if you can avoid going out and stay home,

but if you are out and get caught like this, what is the recommendation? >> they did the exact thing they should, they stayed together. their survivability increases dramatically if they stay together. the other thing, it's dry in spite of the cold. for them to retain fluids, make sure they have plenty of water, if they can and of course, staying warm and by staying together, staying warm and staying in one place, it helps everybody find them quicker. >> terms of the cell phone, we believe there was a signal but not strong enough to make calls out but strong enough to track it, is that right? >> that's correct. we use the term called cell phone forensics, a science behind the cell phone signal determining what towers will work and there is a lot of technology around that. basically through the air force rescue coordination center, they are able to track the cell phone, give us additional data to help search by. >> a certain irony with the debate at the moment about

privacy and nsa spying on americans, the very same technology, i guess, that led to them being identified in terms of their location. >> well, certainly this is a good use of that technology and certainly, it helped us pinpoint a little better where they were. >> joe an, obviously, i know you'll be looking forward to speaking to them all, but in terms of the reaction from all the rescue people involved, it was a huge community effort, wasn't it? you were part of this. did your fears start to increase as the hours went by that you may not have a happy ending to all this? >> well, i never would have thought -- nobody wanted to think that at all. i just -- you know, my thoughts with the prayers, all the people that were helping and i truly believe, i don't know about anybody else, there was an angel in the sky watching over them and we weren't going to give up. there wasn't a thought in my mind that would be the scenario. it christmastime.

>> it's a very joyous -- yeah, it's a very joyous christmas story. tell me more about the family. what kind of family are they? >> well, they are a young family, you know, like i said. he was a good friend of my son in high school, and they are still friends, just a close knit family, you know, all the kids, they do everything together, you know, they are good people with good hearts, you know, and they are close to their family and that was the important thing. that's what got them through, i think. >> paul, obviously, it's ended in a fantastic way on this occasion. it could have been a complete disaster. if you were being critical at all, and now is probably not the right time but you're a guy that will be in the thick of this again and again in similar situations, is it sightly reckless of a family when temperatures are so cold and the blizzard is so strong to venture out looking for thrill seeking

in this situation? >> you know, certainly, piers, people go out for all kinds of reasons, i'm certainly not in a position to criticize or praise their activity. our job is to make sure if people do go and get in trouble, there is community resource, the local sheriffs agency, state resource and even federal resource that was involved in this search. our job is to recover them, bring them back as best we can. i've never been in a position, nor would i even begin to put myself in their position and criticize what they have done. they did good things that caused their survival and ended up making them survive through what was a terrible ocho deal. i'm just happy that he used his own ingenuity and the community was able to come together, provide resource for us, provide resource for the sheriff here who did a tremendous job and the sheriff would probably be here,

were he not exhausted and he did a tremendous job for this community. >> and that moment, palm, when you heard that it was good news and they were alive and well, that must be one of the most satisfying parts on your job, isn't it? >> it's what we call the psychokick income. it's the thing we get that doesn't matter how little or how much i'm paid. the fact is that's what makes this such a good job. it can be tragic but today was a great outcome and we live with that. >> i want to congratulate you, paul, and your team. they did a spectacular job. last night i spoke to the mother of one of the children who was obviously extremely anxious and she can now have a great christmas with her little girl and everybody involved can have a great christmas and i thank you and applaud you and the team for the tremendous effort you did to save their lives and joann, when you speak to them, tell them i would love to speak to them. i would love to have them on the show. i'll use you to deliver the

message. okay with you? >> okay. no problem. i can do that. thank you very much. that would be great. they would love that. >> i would love that. i'm pleased for you joann and the friends and family that took part in the search. great to see it end this way. thank you both indeed for joining me tonight. >> thank you for caring. >> thank you very much. >> great end to what could have been a horrible story. tonight dawn lemon looks at the extreme weather coast-to-coast and a socking suicide in the middle of a crowded mall. it was caused by too much shopping? [ female announcer ] thanks for financing my first car. thanks for giving me your smile. thanks for inspiring me. thanks for showing me my potential. for teaching me not to take life so seriously.

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it seems like a remarkable tory, did this guy get sick and tired on hours of shopping and deliberately take his life? >> we may never know the full story but it hay be the pressures of holiday shopping contribute to the tragic and fatal decision last sunday to jump off the seven floor balcony. people over heard this man arguing with his girl friend about shopping expenses, before making the decision to make this fatal leap, and there has been a fair amount of chatter online here in china about this case. people lamenting materialism and pressures that may have helped drive this man to make this

terrible decision. the sad irony, here, piers is that christmas isn't really traditionally a big holiday in china. it doesn't compare with the chinese new year but you wouldn't know it walking around the chinese cities because shopping malls and businesses have christmas trees up and merry christmas signs and lots of the music and the colors of christmas and the marketing and the sales of that, and it does appear in this case, which we don't know a whole, whole lot about, it does appear some pressures may have contributed to this terrible tragedy last sunday. >> quite extraordinary. thank you very much. in the news another story of retail therapy, lululemon after the founder chip wilson's ill advised comment blaming the comment's ill fitting pants on his customers. he said some women's bodies actually don't work. not a good idea, mr. wilson to

ever even think that. joining me now is elizabeth, a writer and former lululemon employee and robi ludwig and chief creative officer of yummy. that's a great name for a company. let's get into this and talk about the chinese situation for a moment. i didn't know christmas was that prevalent in china given the religious persuasions. the pressure, a man and woman and he's sick and tired of shopping and takes crazy drastic action. this scene is replicated all over america, isn't it? not the suicide but the tension and stress and arguments. >> it's so identifiable, right? we go to the mall, men don't really love shopping. women love it. it's like a sport. we see a lot of men hanging out on couches. >> why do women make men go

shopping. >> i don't know. i think a bad idea. >> no man i know enjoy it. what woman wants their man to trail around a mall for five hours looking for a shoe. it would be a death sentence. >> i leave my husband at home when i shop. it's not pun for him, so it makes it not fun for me. i have business to do when i shop, i got to get my job done. >> you can get more done without someone saying let's go, let's go. >> i love the fact you're buying shoes and we're the beneficiaries but i don't want to be part of it. >> this man could have said i'm done, i need to go home. >> this is clearly the straw that broke the camel's back because there were other issues and i wonder if he killed himself like self-attack as a way to not kill his girlfriend because he was so fed up with her, a way to punish her. >> we may never know, a sad story but indicative of the

rising tensions around holidays. let's turn to the extraordinary lululemon story. you're a former employee of lululemon. this guy chip wilson is not great with talking about women, which is bizarre, he was running a company that catered almost exclusively to women. >> no, he really shot himself in the foot with the comments this he made, and also, the apology that he issued, wasn't really an apology, not i'm sorry for isolating groups of customers or body shaming women, i'm just sorry i said something stupid and that my company is going to suffer the consequences. >> now, you worked there. let's listen to what he had to say first of all, which wasn't really an apology. listen to this. >> some women's bodies just don't work for it. it's about the rubbing through the thighs, how much pressure is there over a period of time.

>> that obviously wasn't the apology. that was the offending comment and all it's inglorious nature. you worked there. was it actually the realty? was there a policy by the stores, the lululemon stores to detour larger ladies from coming in? >> well, the story worked at, lululemon makes a size 12 which is the low end of plus size and they were not displayed with other sizes on the store wall. they were actually kind of tossed into a team on a table used to fold all the other pants. so it was a big to do for plus size customers to come in, request their size, the employee would then have to dig out the size, and since they were, you know, under picked, they were never current styles. so the customer who was plus sized had a very different shopping experience than the

customer who was pa teeth, and its -- >> yeah, let me turn to heather because obviously you're involved in this game. you do spanks at yummy and i'm very up to speed on spanks and yummies. is there a wider truth beneath the ugly comments? is this what people do in this gape? are they targeting the yoga pants at a slimmer woman, perhaps? >> certainly not a yummy by heather thompson. high brand is exclusive, it's inclusive, not exclusive to one body type of shape. it's not what size pants you wear, it's your body. my thighs rub together and i'm a size four. it depends on your body shape and you're looking for. my brand is built and designed confidence to women. we have pressures out there and it's sad -- american women, over

weight women, make up 60% -- >> ridiculous. >> girls come to me. i got you covered. my brand is extra small to 3 x. >> he made an error in judgement. we have now got his apology, which wasn't really -- let's watch it anyway. >> i'm sad -- i'm really sad. i'm sad for the repercussions of my actions. i'm sad for the people at lululemon who i care so much about who faced the blunt of my actions. i take responsibility for who occurred. >> we're all sad you were a sad fattest. let's move on. let's show this picture from the mandela memorial. this extraordinary selfie picture.

is it getting huge attention around the world. many people thinking it's not really appropriate at a memorial service to be posing for selfies if you're a world leader and michelle obama seems to be disgusted. >> it's very real. it makes them -- we do selfies and they do selfies. they were singing and dancing so it might be a different culture over there. >> you're being genius. >> it was inappropriate. thank you very much indeed. when we come back. what brought eva longoria and howard buffet together. they are here in a prime time exclusive. that's coming up next. 'tis the season of more. more shopping. more dining out. more traveling. and along with it, more identity theft.

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joined me today. how are you both? >> great, great to see you. >> no offense, howard, but this is kind of beauty in the beast and i'm not looking at you with the word beauty in my mind. >> that's not the first time i heard that. >> what brought you two together? >> well -- >> let me start. >> i can only take howard in doses. >> we -- it started with immigration many, many years ago and i was interested in the topic and he was going to arizona and a mutual friend said you should go to howard. he's pretty lit rid on the subject. we're on opposite ends of the struck trum. howard is a farmer. we went down there to talk to the boarder patrol. we rode along the border. we talked to farmers on the american side, mexican side. we talked to everybody.

we touched the fence. we walked across the desert. we went to the morgues. we saw how many people dying trying to come to this country. it was the first time for me, howard has went many times. that's how we met. >> howard keeps boasting but the last time you were on my show you spoon fed me guacamole. >> i did. that was on my book tour. >> you've never been spoon fed guacamoel. >> i sent that to piers. he can one up me many times. >> howard, there are many 15 million americans, according to feeding america, 16 million children technically hungry in the united states. a really staggering and suppressing static tick. you devoted much of your life to tackle this. how difficult is it to make real enrods into that level of hunger?

>> it's extremely difficult but the difference between the united states and the places we work is doable in the united states. you'll never get it down to zero but a low single digit in this country. people don't see hunger in this country. it's pretty well hidden and we have a society where people don't want to ask for help. they don't want to be seen asking for help. it's a big challenge. the big part of it is awareness. >> the most important thing, there is a key link between kids who are fed well and performance at school. >> absolutely. i mean, look, we got this school -- there's a chapter in the book talks about decatur, we have the largest corn plant, imagine that -- >> lunch -- >> that's -- [ laughter ] >> that's a lot of corn, piers. even you and i together couldn't do that. you know, it -- you can go into schools and have 92, 94% of the kids qualify for free or reduced

lunch program. people should be disgusting we're as powerful and rich as we are and have millions of kids that go to bed hungry. it's just not right. >> we also in america there's a real problem, as i've said before, as there is in britain, with the way america is falling behind many of the foreign countries, all piling away in science and math and stuff like that. what is happening with the american education system, eva, that's letting itself fall so far behind and future would be super power rivals? >> right. you know, a lot of it has to do with. there is a lot of ten dents to education reform, whether it's effective teaching, parental engagement, curriculum, social economic status, which is also for latinos over laps with culture. there is a lot of problems with our system, and i -- my foundation in particular helps

with the parental engagement program because if a parent is engaged in a child's educational journey, they are more likely to succeed. effective teaching, what we're teaching our kids in school has to be cultural relevant. >> i had jack dorsey on last night and he said how many schools have computer science, for example, seems ridiculous with every kid i know has a mini computer or two. >> all day long. >> it's a crazy system that doesn't make computer since part of the key elements. >> these kids live in poorer areas. i mean, when you talk about minorities, whether african american or hispanics, proportionally live in poorer communities which have poor resources, which can't afford the technology and can't afford the effective teachers they need. so it's a domino effect. if you put on top of that they are hungry and not eating -- >> it's a poor education, it's hunger, it's poverty, all those things.

they are estimated by 2050, latinos will make up 50% of the population. you're taking over. single handily led by you. it's scary, 27% -- >> it's incredible -- oh, oh. >> that statistic is encouraging. what is scary is 27% of latinos lives below the poverty line and 15% hold college degrees. >> right. >> so you'll have a vast population. >> we're the largest growing population -- >> so -- >> a large uneducated group. >> what is the single most effective ting. >> education is the single most important thing because it's the key to economic mobility and you have many points of intervention. so if somebody falls behind or is left behind, you can catch them at another stage. i mean, obviously, you want kids to learn math and read by third grade or else they are not going

to graduate high school but if they don't they can go back and read and learn and that's one thing with education is trying to find what's the most effective intervention we can do to make sure that we're not only a large group but an educated group. this is the future work force of our country. >> absolutely. that's -- >> howard, i mean, you've obviously been plowing quite literally on this for a long time. how helpful is to it to have ms. longoria who is appealing to the media. >> well, it's not just that. we can -- >> we can start with that. >> piers, i hadn't noticed. [ laughter ] >> star power can be great. if it's used well -- >> if it's used for good. if it's used for good and not evil. >> easier to say that because eva is sitting next to he. she's very smart, very well read, studies the subject, knows what she's talking about. that makes a difference.

when you talk about a serious subject and close to her heart that has to do with her heritage is an advantage. we're doing this great program in texas where it's a -- it's not even a dent probably in what the whole -- the whole issue but we're trying to find latin that women food insecure and have the ability to get a small loan and start a business. i mean, the truth is, if you put somebody to work, you end their issue with poverty. when you bring up the size of the numbers, the scale, it's pretty amazing. we better start doing something about it now or we're going to have a big issue later. >> let's take a break and come back and talk about the minimum wage war and eva, would you consider running for office. many think she's a smart cookie, never mind acting, time for the big role. [ male announcer ] alka seltzer plus presents the cold truth. [ coughs, sneezes ]

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children have the opportunity earn a path to citizenship and contribute to what they know is home. that's what the selection is about. >> stomping for president obama. she's with me with howard buffet and feeding america's hungry children. let's talk about minimum wage for a moment, eva, because a big problem is so many people in the particular poverty hunger lack of education trap that we've talked about fall below the him mum wage. >> people have full-time jobs that live in poverty. that's ridiculous. recently the fast food workers walked out and went on a strike, and i worked in the fast food industry. i worked at wendy's for four years. i remember, that was like an extra job in high school. some people, that's their full-time job to feed their families. so, yeah, i think minimum wage absolutely has to change. as inflation goes, as the economy is. but also, when we talk about wages, and we talk about

agriculture, you know, there's a lot of people in this huge sector offing a culture and immigration, they don't have a wage. they don't have a minimum wage that have a slave wage, and they have, you know, it's an exploited industry and labor for this backbone of our country. >> so howard, you limp along struggling on the minimum wage, as everyone knows with your father. >> i bet i get paid less than you, piers. >> what's the answer to this particular part of the puzzle, this minimum wage issue? >> let me back up and say ultimately the solution to pulling peep out of poverty and make sure they are fed is have them working. that's the long-term real exit strategy if you want to solve a problem. raising the minimum wage is a debate that you don't know the facts, because i'm all for raising the minimum wage, but there is a balance -- and i really am, but there is a balance between how much you

raise it and what impact it has on business decisions. i don't buy into the fact that you can't raise it. okay? but i do think there is a balance, and so -- and there is unfortunately not a way to know what that magic number is. >> let's turn to president obama. you've always been supportive of him, evidence va, you stumped for him and spoken on this show about him but you've taken a few shots recently many would say are justified about the catastrophic rollout of obama care, which should be this great policy and legacy but is turning out to be a mill stone. what is wrong at the moment with obama incorporated? >> in regards to obama care, nothing is wrong with obama care, what went wrong was the access. we need to make sure people will have the access to health care in this country. it's a big problem. >> are you disappointed it was done so badly? >> of course. i think it would be a lie to say you're not disappointed in the rollout of it. i think he's brought in someone

who can hopefully help fix the access to it. i mean, for it to be something as trivial of a website failure and obama care is bad, that's misdirecting, that's what ink. >> i want to show a picture of you on a tractor to keep the longers with us longer. >> all right. >> that's you and howard in a tractor. >> that's a combine. >> that's a combine in the corn field. >> yeah. >> did you get your hands dirty, eva? >> i grew up on a farm and tractors and i grew up on a ranch. we did it for fun. howard does it for a living. i've never seen a combine like that. you get in it and it's automated, you push a button -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> no wonder -- >> if you come visit me, i'll

make sure you have hard work. >> when i landed in decatur, illinois, tony blare was leaving and he was on that combine. >> he was? >> yeah, tony ran a little corn over. eva did okay. >> tony was horrible. >> i was amazing. >> that i can believe. >> people look at you and see eva longoria actress to a point but see a great political activist, fun, eloquent, funny, you look great, it prompts the question, when will you run for office? when will you do this for a living? >> i'm not. >> don't say never. >> howard -- >> as your campaign manager, don't say never. >> campaign manager. >> do you think she should? >> i think every person who has something to contribute and eva has a lot ocho contribute should keep an open mind to the right opportunity to the right time and the right place but that doesn't mean it will happen but never say never. >> i never want to triflize the work they do.

what they do is hard. i think the most powerful point in the political process is a citizen and i've always said that to be politically involved, you have to participate as a citizen and that's how i for -- participate. >> if we had a hispanic candidate -- >> i don't vote for people because of their race. >> what about barack obama for african americans, would it be a great moment for the latino community, even if it wasn't your side of the fence? >> same reason i wouldn't vote for palin because she was a woman nor would i have been proud to go yeah, she -- i don't agree with where she stands on that, so i wouldn't necessarily

just be proud in that moment because it was hispanic. >> but you would like a latino president and women president, which brings me back, howard, to the obvious candidate. >> i see we have to work on this together, piers. >> democratic women latinos who can run for office. >> i know one. [ laughter ] >> el. >> great to see you both and good luck tonight with your award, massively well deserved. howard buffet the book, "40 chances" and check out eva longoria website and her high office. >> "40 chances" buy the book. >> great to see you both. a humbling experience to be out golfed by 9-year-olds. we'll have the cast of the netflix film, "the short game."

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>> when i get on the green, everything turns gold and i'm not nervous. >> a clip from the documentary, aid of the world's best junior golfers, kids vying for the next tiger woods. joining me now is some of them. pano, right? >> pano. okay. let me get them right because one of you may be the next super star of sport in america. how are you all? >> good. >> you're four of the best young golfers in word, right? >> who is the best? >> obviously me. >> definitely me. >> definitely me. >> do you play each other, boys versus girls? >> in tournaments, it's september separate but when he practice, i play against him and i take him down. >> that's seven times -- >> just because she maybe beats

me in the practice rounds, i beat her in tournament days every time. >> alexi you say every time i hit the ball, it turns on a light switch in my body and when you hit the golf ball you get a guide vibe or good feeling in your body. >> are the girls and good as the boys? when they get into adult stages they're not supposed to be good as say tiger woods. do you think that's changing? >> i think that yeah, it is changing. because they always in tournaments say okay, girls can play shorter distances than guys because they can't hit it as far. but girls if you really get out there and watch them, they can hit it just as far as guys, maybe even longer. when i played with alexis thompson she could outdrive all the people we were playing with with no problem. >> last year tiger woods won more than $12 million in prize

money. the top female golfers only make around $2.5 million. do you think that's unfair? should you all get paid the same? >> i think we should get paid the same because girls can do anything boys can do. >> what would you do if you won $12 million? what would you spend it on? >> i'd probably buy a mansion in california. >> you're not going to buy a mansion with -- >> you've got a lot of chap which is not surprising. you've got a very famous sister. who is it? >> anna kornikova. you grew up with athletes. did she always try to beat you at tennis? >> mm-hmm. >> nonetheless you win? >> hmm-mm. >> mean sisters, right? what does it mean to play golf? >> just the fun of the game just to play. i love the game and it's fun.

i love to compete. and i just love to play and play out there just for the fun of it. >> zelna, you're from south africa. today was a very important day back in your country in johannesburg where you were born, nelson mandela had his memorial service. what does he mean to you, nelson mandela? >> he means -- he's a legend of south africa. and i know he is. and he was a very good man. when he was in jail for 27 years, he gave peace and freedom to our country. >> and are you proud to represent south africa at golf? >> yes. >> do you want to be the best in the world? >> mm-hmm. >> do you think you can be? >> yes. >> so i thought we'd have a little test. given the girls think they're better than you boys and you boys think you're better than the the girls and i think i'm better than all of you, we have a little putting green set up. after the break i'm going to take you on.

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and off the first tee allen rips his drive 175 yards right onto the green. >> short game launches this

thursday on netflix. a little test here because you four fancy yourselves at golf. i fancy myself at golf. we're going to get one putt each, three yards. if you fluff it too bad. allen you're on. off you go. pretty good. oh, he's got it in. wasn't planning on that. zena, off you go. i need some of you to get this wrong. >> excellent. alexa? come on. i need at least two or three of you to miss this. make me look better. nice action. oh, unlucky. okay, sky? that is a great putt. >> wait wait wait. don't putt with that old piece of junk. >> what's this? oh, my god! this a special club for me, is

it? that's very cool. that's very kind of you guys, thank you very much indeed. this for the championship. >> oh, okay. allen, you win. well-played, man. great to see you all. good luck with your careers. you'll be better than me whatever happens. that's got to feel good, right? >> yes. it always does. >> tomorrow night i'll sit down with a man who knows his way around the golf course, the one and only donald trump. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. there is breaking news from the capitol tonight on a deal to head off another government shutdown and everyone hopes keep this economy moving. details could be an issue as could getting it through congress. more shortly. first we have a story that's good news with no strings attached whatsoever. two adults and four children rescued after two days stranded in the bitter cold of northwest nevada.