the tea party republicans. he let them overshoot the runway by shutting down our government. now, just as he promised, he's broken the fever of governing from crisis to crisis. for that, everyone in america should be grateful to this president. >> so, i assume you're congratulatory phone call to paul ryan for reaching across the aisle is forthcoming? >> we'll see about that. >> congressmen, welcome. california representative javier be serra, and idaho republican representative raul labrador. congressman ra, i will start with you. here's just few things. it ends unemployment benefits, raises pension contributions for federal workers. if you vote for this deal, aren't you essentially abandoning your -- >> we're looking for solutions.

i think we want to get things done. the is that wants to get past this, so we can get to the big issues. we have to get the economic gruing, we have to get immigration reform done. the way you do that is by putting aside the bickering, and i hope the republicans get past their civil war so we can get things done. >> are you going to vote for the deal? >> i have to take a look at it. there are bad things. >> it's tomorrow, when are you going to look at it when it's issued. >> that's good. speaking of civil wars, you are pretty clear, you want you were confused about whether to be no or a heck no, but you are quoted -- >> a strong no. >> very good. >> i was very civil about it. >> i'm surprised that you aren't jumping up and down being a

strong yes for this. >> you don't want there to be any tax hikes on billionaires. you don't want to close a single loophole for corporations. you won on that. you don't want any investment in american infrastructure, you won on that. what more do you want? why aren't you happy about this bill? >> van, i'm glad you're getting the democratic talking points from the white house. first, one of the reason we got this is because obama has nothing to do with it. he was not at the negotiating table. i'm not i want to get rid of the corporate loop holes. this bill doesn't do that, because democrats in washington, d.c. are unwilling to do that to reduce taxes for the american people. i want to get rid of the loopholes. i want to reduce talks for the american people. that's one of the reasons i'm against this. this doesn't do anything that actually brings down the deficit and the debt. what it does is increases

spending today like washington always does. they're increasing spending today with promises of reductions in spending ten years from now. that's what congressmen do all the time. >> that's not what paul ryan, your great leader -- >> say that again. >> paul ryan your great leader, the paul revere of conservative economics, usaying he's a benedict arnold? >> not at all. >> he's saying it does bring down deficit -- >> he's saying that the deficit is reduced ten years from now instead of today. what we're doing is increasing spending today for the 2014 and 2015 years, with promising of spending reductions ten years from now. that's constitutionally what the sequester was. >> what does the word bipar sanship mean to you and the tea party? >> what it means to me is we can come osteoto do things for the american people. this doesn't do anything for the american people. it just increases spending.

>> congressman becerra, democrats are not completely aligned with this bill, either. there seems to be a fissure. democracy for america sent out an e-mail telling democrats not to vote for it. with progressives like elizabeth warren, phil deblass i don't, van jones over here, trying to bring the party further leftward, aren't you worried that democrats who vote for this are going to be communicating that they're vu lip service to the progressive values that they talk about? >> no, not really. what democrats are saying and what a lot of progressive democrats are saying is we've got to move on from these fights about cutting education, cutting back on health research and actually get to the task of creating jobs. that's why so many progressive democrats, i include myself, are not happy with this deal.

at the same time, democrats as we proved when we reopened government. every democrat voted for a republican budget, while two thirds of republicans voted against the budget and were willing to lead the government shutdown. we have to get past this shutdown mentality. >> are you willing to shut down the government. >> i didn't want to before and i don't want to do it now. >> but that's what he does >> i wanted to vote for a clean cr. in fact in this show about a month ago, we were talking about the democrats were only asking for a clean cr. that's all i was asking for. let's do a clean cr. the xwugt control act is the law of the land today. that's all i wanted to vote for. the democrats don't want to vote for that. >> but you're not willing to do it today. >> i would be willing to vote for a clean cr. >> let's go do that. >> the leadership right now is in the midst of injecting things that weren't part of is the budget negotiation. that's why i want to read it

before i vote on for it. i want to make sure no back room -- >> did we get you to agree on something? >> we would actually vote for a clean cr. that's all i want to vote for. it sounds like javier would vote for that, but we couldn't get enough people in congress to vote for that. >> that seems to be a question of leadership. speaking of leadership, your own leader, john boehner, had very interesting things to say about your grass-roots allies in the tea party movement. i want to hear your response to this. >> mr. speaker, most major conservative groups, are you worried -- you mean the groups that opposed before they ever saw it? >> yes, those groups. >> they're using our members and using the american people for their own goals. this is ridiculous. listen, if you're for more deficit reduction, you're for this agreement. >> this is extraordinary to me. i really want to get your feedback on this. this strikes me as a total sea

change. boehner before seemed to be terrified of the tea parties, terrified of the grass-roots base. is this the end of the tea party's influence? >> i don't think he's ever been afraid of me before nor today. so i think that analysis is completely incorrect. the reason we have what you call a civil war in the republican party is because we have moderates and conservatives. the reason the democrats don't have as much of a war is because they're all liberals. >> let's just discuss that for a second. i want to get you to respond. because i think people around this town were shocked to hear john boehner with that level of passion saying the grassroots base that you are standing with all the time are ridiculous and they need to stand down. what's your response? >> my response is my heritage action score is 67%. i don't give my card to anybody to vote for me. in fact it's a shame, because in our conference, we have members who are constantly pulling out

their cards and saying they'll do whatever koran boehner tells them to do. i was saddened to see john boehner do this. >> why? >> because i think what he's doing -- he's talking about leaks that went out to the press. we knew what this deal was going to -- what was going to contain in this deal for the last week. what outside -- the leaks that aides were gig to the press. i can't believe he would go to the press and discuss these groups have absolutely no ability -- that his own leadership staff was telling -- >> i have a theory why this deal came together. next i'll ask whether it has more to do with the latest 308 numbers or the calendar. hint -- christmas is coming.

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welcome back in the crossfire tonight. javier becerra and republican representative raul labrador. tonight party leaders are scrambling for support for tomorrow's deal. you heard me. there's a rare deal on capitol hill. either way it's a chance for democrats and republicans to enjoy merry muppet together. today new poll numbers show republicans are ahead of democrats, in terms of who people would like to see control congress next year, and guess this. for the first time since 191995,

they enjoy a double-digit lead in the handling of the economy. merry christmas, gop. congressman labrador, those are some very good poll numbers, is now really the time to be arguing for a shutdown when we have in embarrassment of riches in obama care to go on? >> no one is arguing for a smutdown the i think that's what people need to it is form the bca says we should be spendi -- and it -- i just want to continue with the bca numbers. >> continuing recent resolution, i didn't say the numbers -- >> i just want to continue -- >> if they don't vote for it, will we have another shutdown? >> no, i think we want have every republican vote for the numbers currently in place and let the democrats decide what they're going to do.

te ounik t'sug >>aul ryan is the chairmanf the -- ve esenal nominee paul ryan worked out a deal. raul is saying let's not vote for that deal. let the democrats give paul ryan the votes he needs to pass his deal. that's the reason why we've had such dysfunction and the inable to get things done. democrats have had to do the heavy lifting for republicans on every one of these big votes that the majority -- >> here's where -- i agree with you on that, but here's where i think democrats are upset. you are right. democrats will have to come to the table, we're going to have to put the votes on, yet where is the help for the 1.3 million people who are active job seekers being thrown under the bus in this deal. i've been hearing from people who are outraged about this deal, 1.3 active job seekers

being thrown under the bus. why did the leadership cave? why didn't we stick up for them? >> we have continued to insist that americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own should not go into a cold christmas simply because the house republicans -- >> but it's not in the deal. >> the majority we have it and we're going to continue to fight. >> i'm not going to let you get away with it. >> van, before i give a yes or no vote, i want to make sure -- if there's shenanigans and they're going to start to add things to the deal, a lot of -- >> i'm going to ask you one more time. listen, you have the leverage, you say you're in the minority, it's true, but you'll probably be the majority of people voting for this deal -- why not use those leverage to help those workers? >> that's what i hope democrats exactly will do, and that is say if it's up to democrats for --

>> hope is not a strategy. you can't eat hope. >> we have only so many votes. we still have to rely on some republicans to join with 200 democrats to get something done, but i guarantee you democrats will push. if we're going to vote for this thing, make it pass, we should be able to help americans. >> let me pile on to just a minute. the other thing is under new federal employees will be paying about five times more than current workers into their pensions. i'm -- this has got to worry you. >> it does. absolutely. these are things that republicans insisted on that i did not want to see. this is not a deal that makes everyone happy. the difficulty is this -- do we want to see another republican shutdown of the government or move forward? a lot of us would rather have solutions than not, but to the degree that the republican majority is going to try to sneak in things through the back

door that don't include what was part of this budget deal, then i think democrats will say then you should be helping americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own. >> i haven't heard of anybody trying to sneak in anything. >> let me tell you what's being discussed. i want to take a step back, big pictures. i think we're trying to understand how it functions, operates. it seems i don't like paul ryan's policies, but he is trying to show some leadership. me seems like he's getting being zapped now by a lot of grass-roots conservatives, some people in congress calling him almost a traitor. >> i don't see that happening at all. i haven't heard anybody in congress call him a traitor. i think paul ryan is dealing with the reality that we didn't have the votes to pass a continuing resolution at the 967 levels. so -- >> you don't think it hurts him now with the grassroots base, heritage out there saying it's a

terrible thing? i see a pattern, marco rubio jumped out and said -- i sea a pattern. marco rubio, when he tried to lead on immigration, i saw him get bug zapped. >> i like that term. bug zapped. >> zzzttt. is this leadership? is this cannibalization? >> it's not at all. it's the fact that you have some people with really good ideas going out there and trying to present the ideas to the american public. in fact you talked about the poll numbers. when you american people seeing us fighting for something we believe in, like we did during the shutdown, the democrats continue to saying that we were against funding the government. we were actually for funding the government, against obama care. >> you thought the shutdown was good for you guys? >> right now the tea party is less popular than ever -- will you do it again? >> no, absolutely not.

>> nobody wants a shutdown. what the american people saw was a group of people willing to stand for something, and have a direct contrast between the democrats and the republicans? they're for obama care. you know that less benefits, less health savings and all those things. when people are receiving the letters. >> they're receiving the letters because they can convert to a new policy. there are 3 million americans -- >> i'm saying 500. >> 500 or more per month. >> 3 million americans have now gained health insurance. the american people are realizing under democratic policies they performed worst.

seriously i'm trying to understand. i think those of who believe in bipartisanship, every time we see somebody stand up and try to reach across it seem to me they run into real trouble. at what point do you as a leader in the tea party to have turn to your base and say hold on. sometime we have to compromise. >> i do it all the time. that's why i only have a 67% rating. >> you seem proud of that. >> people think i wake up in the morning and i look at what heritage is telling me to do. i actually think for myself. i look at every vote individually. i work with democrats all the time. i'm doing legislation all the time with people on different issues. >> if he is so reasonable, why you do you have a hard time working with him? >> they won't vote for the bill. that bill we opened was the

republican bubble number. of the 230 or so republicans, only 80 voted for this. we had to carry their bill. >> that's not true. >> absolutely. the exact numbers. 144 republicans voted against their own budget bill. only 87 voted for it. 198 democrats had to join with them. >> because they had a clean debt ceiling without -- >> we had to carry your load for you. >> i have to carry this load to the commercial break. so stay right here. next we'll have a final question for both of our guests. we want you at home to weigh in. who do you think made out better in the budget deal? we'll give you the results when we get back. my customers can shop around. but it doesn't usually work that way with health care. with unitedhealthcare,

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we are back with representatives javier bacerra and raul labrador. >> congressman, in voting for this under the assumption that democrats largely vote for this budget deal, are you worried that progressives have maybe lost their way or lost leadership? >> first, that's a big assumption. >> wait, you think there's a possibility this bill does not get passed? >> well, republicans should step to the plate. this is a paul ryan deal of it is not a house democratic deal. as it has been always the case,

democrats have had to supply the votes to get things done. i suspect democrats will once again try to make sure we can move the country forward. we'll take a close look. as i said before, if there are then ever shenanigans placed here. >> what do you mean? you keep saying that. >> we're hearing there are things being included in this feel will be put into the bill that goes to the floor that have nothing to do with the negotiations that were finalized. >> news here. >> that's what happens at the last moment when you get these back room deals. it is als already a difficult deal. if it is one that's cluttered. >> we'll deem an eye on that. >> if i can say, it has to include unemployment insurance. help those working, trying to find their jobs. on your side, you've been

accused of, republicans, being the party of no. now you're the party of strong no even against paul ryan. are you comfortable with that? being the party of no and now against paul ryan? >> what i can tell is that you the only people benefitting from this deal are the special interest groups that will get more spending in washington, d.c. if you look at the last year, the ideas of the democratic party. we have less unemployment, a faster growing economy, and it is all because washington, d.c. has republicans willing to stand up for the american people instead of special interests. >> okay, thank you both. to go facebook or twitter to weigh in on our fireback question. who do you think made out better in the budget deal? right now 59% say democrats. 41% say republicans. interesting. >> the debate will continue online at cnn/crossfire. >> join you go tort for another

edition of "crossfire." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm jake attempter in for erin burnett. back lash against the budget deal. not everyone in washington is jumping on the bipartisan bandwagon. the first crucial test comes tomorrow when the vote is set in the house. speaker boehner is doing everything to keep his party in line. he lashed out at conservative groups urging republicans to vote against the deal. >> they're using the american people for their goals. this is ridiculous. if you're for more deficit reduction, you're for this agreement. >> earlier today i spoke with one of the architects of the