and live free. >> that sounds really good. but let me ask you about -- let me ask you about the real world. chris christie is the real world. >> no, he is a fat -- nightmare. >> okay. so you can watch s.e.'s entire interview. from the left i'm dan jones. >> from the right i'm newt gingrich. erin burnett outfront starts right now. next, facing the lowest approval rating of his presidency. president obama meets with the press for the final time this year. what did he say his administration screwed up this year? plus, the familiar live "duck dynasty" patriarch threatens to walk if he is be back on the show. can a & e afford to take the hit? and breaking news about john hinckley jr.

what a judge just ruled about the man who shot president reagan. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> good evening. tonight the president getting out of dodge. at this moment president obama along with his family is about to head to hawaii for the holidays leaving behind a tough year of all time tough approval ratings. before the president left town, a farewell meeting of the press. and here's the first question out of the gate. >> has this been the worst year of your presidency? >> i got to tell you, that's not how i think about it. i look at this past year there are areas where there have been frustrations where i wish congress had moved more aggressively. if you are measuring this by

polls, my polls have gone up and town a lot through the course of my career. >> she was in the briefing room and asked the president a question. the president was asked about his biggest mistake of the year and he said, it was the health care rollout. >> the fact is it didn't happen in the first month, the first six weeks in a way that was at all acceptable. and since i'm in charge, we screwed it up. >> a bad timing today. the obamacare website, the federal website, it went down again today for maintenance. how is the white house responding? >> they are, of course, referring everyone to hhs or cms which overseas the white house. you can imagine what bad timing that would have been. the good timing was that it was back up just minutes before the press conference. that could have been a pretty embarrassing visual for president obama to have that going on while he spoke. according to cms, this was an

outage that occurred because there was an error while there was maintenance last night. it took few hours of fixing today before it got back up and running but it came at another inopportune time. there is an important december 23 deadline where folks who need insurance by january 1st and need to sign up on the exchange for it, that's the dead lane for them to do so. so that certainly affected, it was sort of a bad timing for this. you heard president obama saying this was the biggest mistake of 2013 for him. i think it is worth noting that this has been such a mea culpa for him that there was almost this answer ready for what his mistake was. >> and 2013, even if he is not going to say the i think it is fair to say this was probably the most difficult year, the worst year. how do his aides say he homes to turn it around next year?

>> reporter: well, i will say first, you may be seeing 2014 resemble 2014 resemble 2013 right out of the gate if this debt ceiling does happen. that may be something not entirely within his control if house republicans are going to pursue a similar tactic. we heard paul ryan use the word fight. we're waiting to see if that does materialize. but i think what they're trying to do is try to push forward with things they can maybe get by congress, economy, climate change. the issue there is that he may only be able to do small things on the margins. really, immigration reform is what he's looking toward as a potential legacy item. it may also be incremental. you know the republicans are open only to piecemeal legislation on this in the house. the question is will president obama be able to rebound in the polls? maybe. will he be able to rebound when it comes to his legacy, that will be much more difficult.

>> thanks so much. let's get to a debate about this with sean spicer. communications director, ben, press second for obama's 2012 campaign. and amy stoddard, the associate editor for the hill. i don't see how anybody could disagree with the idea that it was president's toughest year. how does he turn it around? >> i think we have to look at the historical precedent. and both president reagan and president clinton had similar low moments. the thing that turned it around for them it was economy. and i think that's why you saw the president focus on that. the greater economic groet over the last quarter than we've seen. 2 million more jobs frlg 8 million over the president's term that we've seen created. i think that's what you'll see him hammer home. he's said he will focus income inequality. the top issue the american people are focused on. and get behind issues like raising the minimum wage to $10.

giving people across the country purchasing power to buy back in to the economy. and i think as you see the economy continue to expand, the jobs continue to be created, you will see his approval rating follow. >> economy is in better shape than the president's approval rating would suggest. we have record highs on the dow. we do have upwardly revived job growth. i know it is not where it needs to be and i know there are a lot of people unemployed. i'm not trying to make light of it or shine a bad apple but it is better than a 41% approval rating would suggest. >> i think again, you have to measure that. from where it could be during the bush years when the democrats saw it, it was horrible. they would have called th horrendous. i think we're saying an f is a d minus and that is improvement. wasn't good enough six, seven years ago and it shouldn't be good enough now. there are millions of people out

of work. the problem that we'll have is, heading into the second material. obamacare is not going on get better. and you saw them issue the 14th waiver for obamacare. because more and more people. >> allowing catastrophic plans to continue. as more and more people's plans get canceled and the doctors aren't with the new plan, the premiums go up, there will be a lot of dissatisfaction with people. we haven't seen the other shoe fall which is the corporation there's start to move more and more employees into exchanges. it will get worse, not better. >> a.b., i know that the spin from democrats is ultimately and especially by the mid terms in 2014 the affordable care act is going to be a winner. there will be more people with insurance than people who didn't have it before. people will see the benefits of it. what did democrats on the hill actually think? >> well, that's what they say

out loud. >> what do they say when they're off the record? >> the problem is we're looking at a time span. more people might be insured but that's not the measure people will be looking at the affordable care act through next october. there are waves of development that's will happen innian and march and late spring and then in july when the employer mandate kicks back in and people learn whether or not they will keep them on the plan they liked. there might be not enough time democrats say privately to stand by the law. maybe in three years but before they're in high season of campaign next september, maybe not. so that's the political pressure that democrats are under right now. finding a way to offer repairs and seem like they're supporting the system in general but able to criticize the parts that aren't working. >> if you look at a democrat like mary landrieu. today she was doing everything she could to distance herself from the law when the president issued this additional waiver for catastrophic, for people

with catastrophic plans. she was saying she was part of the solution. again, another one of the architects of the plan who cast the vote, who spread the quote, lie of the year that if you like your plan, you can keep it. you're seeing the targeted democratic senators and house members do anything they can to distance themselves from obamacare and the plan that they helped author. >> you've voted over 40 times. they believe the law should be strengthened. and now they'll be out there campaigning against the 13,000 people a day enrolling in coverage in california. the 3,000 people a day in kentucky where mitch mcconnell has the worst approval rating of any senator in the country and he is up for re-election. >> we can talk all night about obamacare and i'm sure we'll have you back. i want to ask you one get about the president's lack of trust.

one of the most shocking things that has happened in the last two or three months is that a plurality of americans do not find him trust worthy as opposed to finding him trustworthy. and the number of people who thinks that he cares about them as opposed to the republican party caring about them. that president obama still has an edge. it was a 26.edge. now it is a 6-point edge. >> if you look at cnn's poll, 12% of people were disappoint in the president because. because they didn't think he was liberal enough. in 2012 we spent a lot of time of regaining the trust. i think they're disappointed the affordable care act, that the website didn't work as they hoemd it would. now as things turn around. you see millions of people across the country in the state exchanges and eventually in the federal exchange. i think you will see him regain the trust of those previous supporters. >> you look beyond the top numbers. you have a 23% dip in hispanics.

a huge dip in youth voters. these are the president's base walking from him saying this isn't just independents or right republicans. this is the president's base saying we're rejecting this. >> they haven't come to the republican party. >> washington's approval rating is even worse. so they're rejecting that. >> in the final two years, and his base isn't standing firm when you're watching hispanics walking with them. and he is saying for the fifth or sixth year in a row. they've just lost, the credibility factor. not just the trust has been lost. >> i want to give you the final word. what do you see happening on capitol hill when it comes to the debt ceiling fight? will this turn into a government shutdown? >> no. i think both parties are not interested in that kind of a stand-off. i think you will hear a lot in january about unemployment insurance and the republican opposition to food stamp programs and the war on the

poor. they will say we want the key stone pipeline delay. something in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. i think in the end you will see a very minimal bipartisan deal. a bipartisan deal that approves it. thank you so much. enjoy your weekend. merry christmas to all of you. still to come, how president obama says he plans to fix the nsa spying program. plus, a winter storm could mean huge headaches for holiday travelers. we'll tell you which parts of the country could be hit the hardest. and tensions run hig between north and south korea. my customers can shop around-- see who does good work and compare costs. it doesn't usually work that way with health care. but with unitedhealthcare,

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a developing story, a tornado touched down outside jackson, mississippi. one example of the dangerous and in some places, bizarre weather sweeping across the country. chad myers joins me from the cnn weather center. what do we know about that tornado? >> reporter: it was on the ground for a while about 20 miles west of jackson, miss me. it moved across i-20. this is what can happen when you have warm air on one side and cold air on the other. that's what we have.

it is a major icestorm and snow event. right here to the north. it is missouri and st. louis. the warm side gets the severe weather. the cold side gets the snow and the ice. i can bet there is no milk or bread left on the shelves at all. i lived there three years. i know what happens when there is any threat of winter weather. everything disappears. icestorm warning, that's the story for today and it is already here. there is not much time unless you're in guthrie. then you have a couple more minutes but this weather is on its way. it is already sleeting in paul's valley and that's the weather you'll get for probably the next 24 hours. here's the snow from milwaukee to des moines. it is not like you're not used to it. about six or eight inches of snow. do you know what? i flew from d.c. to atlanta today and the airports were

jammed. i couldn't believe the number of people in the atlanta airport trying to get someplace. so with this weather coming in for tomorrow, i assume it will be just as busy, if not more. this will slow down travelers for sure. escalating tensions in north korea. they sent a fax, yes, a fax to south korea threatening to, quote, strike mercilessly and without notice in response to anti-korea. this all comes as rodman is there. and north korea threatens south korea. how serious are these threats?

>> reporter: this is something that happens quite regularly between north and south korea. they have a very long history of this sort of behavior. north korea sent a fax on the day that dennis rodman tux down in pyongyang saying that it would strike mercilessly and without notice if the anti-regime protests continued. we are talking about a small scale protest here. people talking, speaking out about the regime. about kim jong-un burning effigies. i guess what makes this so interesting is that the political instability that is going on in the country at the moment, many analysts believe that is why north korea is behaving the way pits. obviously last week kim jong-un, the leader of north korea had his uncle executed and many believe the purges ruare just

beginning. it was only last year they were holding exercises off the peninsula and north korea was threatening to rain down fire on the united states and south korea. so this is the sort of rhetoric that we can expect certainly from the north. >> and this is all happening as bizarrely enough, dennis rodman is on this public visit. we see pictures of him with the basketball team. do we have any idea if he has met yet with kim jong-un? >> reporter: we don't. it is quite interesting. north korea controls all the information that is disseminated and so far there are no reports whatsoever. just those fighters that we've been showing of dennis rod marine with the north korean basketball team. as you say, he is here to train that team in preparation for an exhibition game next month that will celebrate the birthday of his very good friend, kim

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the money and power of farrah fawcett. ryan o'neal won a papering that is worth up to $12 million. he was fighting the united states of texas which claimed fawcett left the paging to the university in her will. the testimony was at times emotional. o'neal telling jurors about the paging saying i talked to it. i talk to her. michelle turner has more on the drama. >> reporter: a striking port rath painted by a modern master and the focus of a courtroom battle between the man who said he loved the iconic actress and the university she bequeathed her art collection to. ultimately a los angeles jury decided ryan o'neal who had a son with fawcett was entitled to keep the painting which could be worth up to $12 million. but o'neal says to him, it is a

priceless reminder of what he lost when fawcett died from cancer in 2009. in court, the actor testified, it is her presence in my life and her son's life. we lost her. it would seem a crime to lose it. on the losing side of the verdict, fawcett's alma mater. the university of texas who claim the portrait, part of a matched pair of canvases painted by anldy warhol in 1980 belonged to them. >> the university of texas had no choice. we had to pursue this matter because farrah fawcett left all her artwork to the university of texas. br but according to o'neal, warhol gave one portrait to him and one to the university. the paining sat in a similar position until 1997, the year fawcett caught o'neal with a younger woman. the university's attorney said fawcett took painting back but o'neal testifiedering asked her ex to hold on to it because it made his young friend

uncomfortable to have farrah staring at them. and he said i want to make her uncomfortable. while there was no paper trail to prove ownership, witnesses from the university testified that fawcett referred to the painting as my warhols. one witness claimed o'neal stole the painting from the wall outside of fawcett's bedroom. the jury believed o'neal's claim, no matter where it was, above his bed, as at fawcett's house, it belonged to him. thank you so much. still to come, new revelations about the national security agency and who was being spied on. plus the president talks about how he may change the spy programs. and the latest from the "duck dynasty" controversy. ♪

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a judge has just ruled that the man who attempted to assassinate president ronald

reagan is getting more time outside a mental hospital. brian todd is following the story. what more can you tell us about this ruling? >> he will get an add week each month. right now john hinckley's visits are restricted to ten days a month. now he will get an added week each month at his mother's hole in williamsburg, virginia. he has spent more than three decades at st. elizabeth's. a mental hospital in washington. after being found not guilty under reasonable sanity, he was diagnosed with major depression and psychotic and narcissistic personality disorders. he's tried to commit suicide three times since the assassination attempt. all of those were in the 19 early 1980s. today judge have the judge wrote in his opinion hinckley will, quote, not be a danger to himself or others if he is given more time away from the hospital. fairly dramatic ruling. >> will his lawyers be satisfied with this? is that it for them? >> it is not really it.

hunkly's lawyers wanted more freedom. up to 24 days a month. the judge ruled it wouldn't be wise to allow him that much freedom until he is evaluated further. here's an interesting quote today. he wrote that hinckley continues to exhibit deceptive behavior. even when there are no symptoms of psychosis or depression. the judge also said he has not cultivated any friends or established ties to people in williamsburg. so he has some adjustment problems. and it is interesting. prosecutors previously said that he had lied to mental health professionals about seeing two movies. this was some years back. that he said he went to two movies and he had never gone there. the only reason that was discovered was because the secret service was watching. so there have been issues with his liability. his truthfulness in the not too distant past. >> and some suggesting that even when he is out there, some people are keeping an eye on him. >> the secret service will be watching him the rest his life. snfr a fascinating stories and in some ways a little

disturbing. today president obama addressed the damage done by nsa leaker edward snowden. >> the way in which these disclosures happen had been damaging to the united states. and to our intelligence capabilities. and i think there was a way for us to have this conversation without that damage. >> brand new documents from snowden we shown today. some of them foreign heads of state and commercial businesses abroad. jim sciutto has more. >> reporter: under continuing fire at home and abroad for nsa mass surveillance, today the president signals real changes to come. >> we may have to refine this further to give people more confidence and i'll be very hard on doing that. we have to provide more confidence to the international community.

>> reporter: one possible reform, moving data on billions of phone calls. >> program like 215 could be redesigned in ways that give you the same information when you need it without creating the potential for abuse. >> reporter: his problem comes as the dragnet is proving even bigger than was known. new documents revealed by edward snowden and shared with "the new york times" revealed the nsa spied on the israeli prime minister, the u.n., and businesses including french oil giant total and the european competition commissioner overseeing u.s. companies such as google. after the administration has long insisted the nsa does not spy for commercial purposes. today the nsa said in a statement, we do not use our foreign intelligence capabilities to steal the trade secrets of foreign companies on behalf of or give intelligence we collect to u.s. companies to increase their bottom line. critics of surveillance say the

president should accept most or all of the recommendations of a reform panel of intelligence and legal expert. >> they have done this for a living and have made those dpigss are key to keeping america safe. >> reporter: the aclu also a strong critic of mass surveillance, took a lighter look at the nsa. ♪ they know who you call and who you write ♪ >> reporter: the youtube video timed to christmas. the president was also asked about the idea of granting amnesty to edward snowden. an idea first raised by an official in a 60 minutes piece. he said he couldn't comment on it but he said snowden caused unnecessary damage. both to u.s. intelligence gathering and american diplomacy. jake? >> thank you so much. an update now on the "duck dynasty" controversy. this just in from our senior media correspondent brian and a & e executive who spoke to him

on condition of anonymity said that conversations with the robertson family, the stars of this wildly successful cable show would likely resume after the christmas holiday. quote, everybody needs to take a breath. that's in response to the network's suspension of the star for making some controversial comments about homosexuality and african americans. the family is standing by the patriarch saying, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. we are in discussions with a & e to see what that means for the future of "duck dynasty." tom foreman has more on the story. >> reporter:-on their shaggy beards ask back woods ways, the "duck dynasty" men stand at the center of an empire. . of the 14 million weekly viewers shop at walmart, target, kohl's and cabbelas where they buy household items and even the hit

christmas album. forbes estimates all that merchandise will add up to $400 million in revenue by years end. what then? math was on the hollywood reported he suggests contrary to predictions of a financial collapse from the scandal -- >> i think that the core fans who have supported this brand are not necessarily going to turn away because of what has happened here. in many instances, people might be motivated to buy the products more because they support phil robson in this situation. >> reporter: how can that be? celebrity driven empires are uniquely vulnerable. after chef paula dean admitted using the racial slurs, he should lost her endorsement deals. lance armstrong, tiger woods, even martha stewart suffered huge financial blow when's scandal came to call. the difference? those celebrities were all caught doing something no one expected. the "duck dynasty" show has been

built from the start around the idea of a rural family with frank, foiltist beliefs. the revelation that phil robertson thinks homosexuality is wrong may strike many fans as no surprise and indeed, polls say almost half the country feels the same way. meaning a & e could stand to be the biggest loser. if "duck dynasty" ultimately flies away. tom is here with me. let's start with you. who has the upper hand here? how much is at stake? >> clearly if we're just following the money and brian's report doesn't really shock me all that much. a & e has much more to lose. tom's report says it all. $400 million in retail through walmart and kohl's and target and these places. the most watched nonfiction cable television show in history, its premiere was in

august. the robinsons have the upper hand. when he this came in they were already worth millions. $15 million was the estimated report so they don't need the money or the publicity. glenn beck's the blaze tv which is obviously not a big television network but he has already extended an offer. if it doesn't work out with a & e, come over to me. and they already have money any way. >> derrek, it is the number one show on a & e. it averaged 12 million viewers in its season premier. can a & e afford to let them go? >> interesting point. from a strictly business standpoint, controversy aside, a & e was there before "duck dynasty" and they'll be there after "duck dynasty." the bottom line is companies like this have business plans to get them through controversies.

he they've alienated a large part. will they go out of business? no. this isn't their first rodeo. i think they'll come back and at some point come to an agreement to make sure the show continues at some level. the viewers are really demanding that right now. >> tom, duck dynasty. it is not just a tv show. it is an empire. they generated $400 million this year alone. two best selling books, a christmas album on the billboard charts. the food network parted ways with paula deen over her comments. do you think they will do the same? >> i agree with what our guests have said. a & e stands to be the big loser. look at this stuff. we found this walking five minutes away from here. we didn't have to go -- the book is doing great, the t-shirts.

it is every where and it is worth a fortune. in the end i think the family has the upper handled in all this. and part of the difference that we have to point out besides what we said about paula deen. bear in mine in the case of paula deen. you talk about somebody using a racial epithet. with lance armstrong he was cheating at the basic sport he was in. in the case of martha stewart with tax evasion. those are all things where we as a society broadly agree that they're bad. on the issue of homosexuality about, half the country still does not agree that this is an okay thing. so they're not in the same circumstance where it is very clear you've turned off part of the audience. to the contrary, as we noted, maybe half the country is saying right now, well, half is saying this is unthinkable. maybe half is saying good for him. he said what we believe even if people don't always like it. >> a & e had to know what they were getting into when they put the robsons on tv.

he has said programs even more offensive things about women. and i just find it, i'm shocked that they didn't know that this is how this guy thought and what he believed in. >> they knew exactly what they were buying. in 2010, there is actually video of phil robertson doing a sermon where he makes the exact comments in the gq interview. like the jersey shore. when you're putting on snooki and j wow and they're getting into fights every week. this is what you're encouraging. it makes for good tv. the minute they may say something that reflects poorly on the network, suddenly they're acting shocked. so a & e, yes, they have the most to lose and justly so. they made their own bed. they knew exactly what they were getting. who they were putting on the air and most importantly, during that interview had no one around phil robertson to say maybe you shouldn't say that. so if a & e loses here, guess

what, they made their own bed, jake. >> that's an interesting idea. the concept of trying to media train the robertson family. thank you for putting that image in my brain. much appreciate it. coming up next, seaworld fights back against claims it is mistreating its killer whales. will the new public relations work? and a war on christmas specials. a confident retirement. those dreams, there's just no way we're going to let them die. ♪ like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪

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seaworld is launching a counter attack over criticism over the documentary film black fish which cast as critical eye on the treatment of killer whales. here's one clip that had a lot of people talking. >> it was a really exciting thing to do until everybody wanted to do it. >> what were they telling you you were going to do? >> capture orcas. >> they had aircraft, they had spotters, speedboats, they had bombs they were throwing in the

water. they were lighting their bombs with the torches in their boats and throwing them as fast as they could to herd the whales into coves. but the orcas had been caught before and they knew what was going on and they knew their young ones would be taken from them. so the adults without young went east into a cul-de-sac. and the boats followed them thinking they were all going that way. the mothers with babies went north. but the camden you are teams had aircraft. and they have to come up for air eventually, and when they did, the captured teams alerted the boats and said oh, no, they're going forth. the ones with babies. the speedboats caught them there and herded them in. and then they had fishing boats with the nets they would stretch across so none could leave. then they could pick out the young ones. >> in a full page ad published today, in eight of the largest pams in the country seaworld

pushed back saying it is time to set the record straight. martin savage who has been following the stories with me, thank you so much for being here. prior to this the park had dismissed the film as inaccurate and biased. but seaworld has people boycotti boycotting, celebrities >> i think what's happened here is that because of the huge audience that that film "blackfish" found on cnn, it took what had been criticisms limited to animal right's activist and shared it with a broader audience and that's the real concern for sea world here. regular mom and pops, you can say and children are beginning to ask the questions that up until now, had only been asked by people on the fringe. that's the real problem and it hasn't gone away. >> and sea would specifically addressing a number of claims from the film, saying they don't separate mothers from calfs, their captive orcas live as long

as those in the wild. do you think these answers will be enough to satisfy the criticism? >> it will not be enough to satisfy the animal right's activists because they want to see sea world run out of business. it will assuage the crowd. they used to separate the mothers and calfs and that's emotional to a lot of people and the breeding program and how long they live, sea world says their whales live as long as those in the wild. there are many scientists that would disagree with that. >> there is a public backlash against the park since the release of the movie, but is there evidence sea world is losing money as a result of the film? >> no, there isn't. when you listen to the quarterly reports how they are doing with revenues and ticket sales, they say they are once again on track for another record revenue year, jake? >> martin savidge, thanks. s.e. cupp is guest hosting

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it's beginning to look a lot like christmas, christmas specials, christmas movies, they are airing on every network, many of them considered classics but are they all really classics? we asked some experts what it takes for a holiday movie to be considered great. 'tis the season of classic holiday movies, starting, of course, with it's a wonderful life. >> every time a bell rings, an angel gets his wings. >> reporter: and miracle on 34th street. in the '60s a couple tv specials

were added to the cannon, how the grinch stole christmas. >> this sound sounded glad. >> reporter: and "a charlie brown christmas," but now a slightly newer bach are starting to crowd in on the family favorites. does will ferrel's "elf" deserve a place on the dvr? probably not. but make no mistake the most heated debate about christmas movies centers around the film "love actually." does "love actually" deserve to be considered a new christmas classic. chris orr says emp f s no. >> it starts with physical attraction and goes immediately to the happily ever half. >> the strength of a movie like that is to me it feels more personal. it feels like something i can see in my real life potentially,

hopefully, and something that feels fresh. >> reporter: orr and green write for "the atlantic." an office conversation turned into a heated debate. "love actually" turn into a battle field. >> every one of our co-workers got up and surrounded us fight club style as we discussed the march reds of the movie. >> reporter: they took the debate to the web. their work garnered more than 50,000 facebook shares and i was one of them. the argument is brutal and fun. the new decade-old british film follows nine story lines about a version of affection, young love, familiar companionship, lust, joyful anticipation, orr argues the plot lines are not only i'm plusble but super official and inmoral. >> i think that "love actually" is not an unromantic movie but

anti romantic. it's money shots, the mash up of first and last scenes of romantic comedies without the middle part where people get to know each other and fall in love. >> they don't have time to show all of the four-hour conversations that eventually lead people to fall in love intellectually. it's about the chemistry moment that allows people to fall into the crush zone, and i think that's a valid and wonderful and magical thing to show. >> reporter: "love actually" got mixed reviews. >> when i watched it again, it was worse than i remembered it and kira nightly singing was creepy. >> reporter: for the record, ""a christmas story"" was panned but that criticism didn't stick. and now that movie is an undisputed classic alongside

"love actually"? actually, i'm not going to take a position in this great debate. ♪ all i want for christmas >> what do you think about this incredibly important debate over the film "love actually "? what's your favorite christmas special. let me know. "ac 360" starts now with high good friend, the hand some john good friend, the hand some john berman -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the latest on what could be a holiday nightmare and also tonight, some people were shocked by phil robertson's views on homosexuality but maybe they shouldn't have been surprised nor should the network that suspended him. the video shows him expressing the same views three years ago. the question now is did a&e know about that when they created "duck dynasty." a story of forgiveness in the wake of tragedy.