Skip to main content

tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  December 23, 2013 11:00pm-12:01am PST

11:00 pm
♪ -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, winter weather has a lot of people asking what just hit us and what's next. also tonight, phil robertson doubles down on remarks that angered gays and lesbians. and one company buckles. and fallout from the credit and debit card breach at target and how easy is it to do it again. we begin with a winter storm that has left people iced over and parts of the east baffled by spring like temperatures. east of the rockies there are signs of a rough weekend and christmas ahead.
11:01 pm
more now from 360's randy kaye. >> it's as if mother nature couldn't make up her mind. dropping snow, ice, rain, and tornado-force winds across dozens of states. in hughs, arkansas, a tornado chewed there this barn and home. a mother managed to save her children. >> i threw my body weight over my 16-month-old child and i slung my daughter to the bathroom to save her life. in mississippi, a tornado took a man's life after blowing over his mobile home, trapping him between a tree and his mattress. the fire chief spent hours getting his friend out. >> we pulled christmas presents out of the house all day. >> in charlotte, north carolina,
11:02 pm
the rain wasn't nearly as deadly. but it sure drenched this fan at the carolina panthers game. maybe next time he'll try the upper deck. and in some places there was so much rain, this was the result, streets turned into rivers in parts of illinois. in larrew, ohio, some residents go it around in kayaks instead of cars. this woman had to be rescued by boat from her retirement village. rising water is to blame for the loss of three lives in kentucky. five people in this suv tried to cross a small bridge but the river was too much. >> it appears they tried to turn around and dropped the front end off the edge of the bridge and swept it away. >> two inside the suv managed to skip but couldn't pull the others to safety. in des moines, iowa, and wichita, kansas it wasn't rain
11:03 pm
but snow that was the problem. causing horrible accidents on the roads. and there was ice too. at this outlet mall in oklahoma city, sheets of ice slowed down holiday shoppers. in upstate new york, ice knocked out power and froze power lines, leaving nearly 200,000 customers in the dark, possibly until christmas. officials are calling it catastrophic. transformers are exploding like fireworks. >> oh, jesus! >> just trying to get the word out proved dangerous for this reporter. >> i'm going to send it back inside with. that oh -- there it goes. that just landed on a toronto hydrovehicle and you can hear the cracking.
11:04 pm
listen to the cracking. >> i wouldn't stand there. >> we were just told to move. we are not going to stand here any more. >> one a of the few places spared was new york city where days before christmas, folks enjoyed a record high of 71 degrees over the weekend. >> i love it. it feels like may in december. >> too bad winter has only just begun. randy kaye, cnn, new york. you see those pictures there. a big mess for a lot of people in a lot of places. for more on what caused it and what is coming for christmas, let's check in with chad meyers. this has been a crazy december. yesterday many around the country including me in baltimore, it was like spring, but not for long? >> not for long. it is just outside your door. it has been warm up and down the east coast. the jet stream has been up into canada.
11:05 pm
it has been cold in the west but not in the places along i-95 in the past couple days. we will see this entire system go away as this cold front slides on by. this jet stream moves to the east and is it going to push all of that warm air and it will be gone. we are going to change this warm to cold and significantly colder. we have temperatures right now in parts of the dakotas that are approaching 25 degrees below zero with the wind chill. there is 27 below in fargo and guess where that is moving? to the south and east moving through new york and philadelphia and d.c. you were 70 degrees a couple days ago. the morning low in 36 hours will be around 20. that is a 70-degree shift, john. >> that's a big shift. >> how about those of us who would enjoy a white christmas will it bring snow? >> for some.
11:06 pm
we will see snow in the northeast tonight. this will be snow covered up here. but the accumulations will be in minnesota, wisconsin and michigan and buffalo. that is not a place that is that unusual to get that much snow. we will see some snow but not as much as a white christmas as some kids would like. >> chad meyers keeping an eye on this and throughout the christmas day. a fresh reminder that that controversy is truly a duck dynasty out. there after fan pressure including threats of a boycott, the cracker barrel reserved its decision to stop selling products in the show. phil robertson is not backing away from a statement he made suggesting that homosexuality could lead to beast yality. he said, i love all men and women and a lover of humanity and not a hater. he is repeating lessons from the scripture.
11:07 pm
those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom. all i did was quote from the scriptures, but they just didn't know it. will payne was with robertson when he said that at the bible study and joins us tonight. you had this upclose look and you said that he doesn't seem fazed at the least? >> not in any way, shape, or form. he is perfectly comfortable with what he said and he has steadfast religious believes that aren't going to be affected by anyone, you, me, any network says is going the make any difference to what he believes. and he doesn't see it as anything hugely controversial. >> he doesn't think it is at all controversial? >> he is aware of what is going on around him and seeing the media reaction. but from his perspective he is saying what he believes. he is spreading the word of someone -- you know, a higher power.
11:08 pm
and you know, the fundamental issue is that from my limited experience down there, it seems the vast majority of the local population concurred with him. >> give us more insight. you say the people in church refer to to this as a blessing. how so? >> well, is it a hugely religious community, firstly. and they see this as an opportunity to spread their message, a message they firmly believe in. and it has given them a forum and platform by which to spread the word of god as they see it. >> you rain sited to attend a small bible study group led by robertson at the church. >> i was showing um to a small classroom i suppose you could describe it as. and mr. robertson was in there in full camouflage gear. several of his friends were there fully bearded with
11:09 pm
camouflage on. they were welcoming and friendly and interesting to know what i was doing there and where i was from, et cetera. and after ten minutes of conversation, he started this bible study group which went on for about 45 minutes, referencing me on a number of occasion. it was interesting. >> referencing you on a couple of occasions and said this at the end, i will not give or back off from my path because you conquered death, father, so we are not worried about all the repercussions. you think talking about himself as well? >> he was saying a prayer that he had come up with off the top of his head. they do these things on an ad hoc basis and that was a prayer that was obviously specific to what happened the previous week. it has connotations beyond that but it was directly in reference to the controversy and firestorm
11:10 pm
of last week. >> after the bible study class, robertson joined the congregation for the sunday service. he was ushered out ten minutes before the service ended to avoid the media? >> i was invited in but by the same token they did seem to be taking measures to avoid him being accosted by anyone from the media. i think also they were potentially concerned about protests from a nonmedia perspective. what he said has upset a number of people. it was a concerted effort to get him away before he could be spoken to before anyone else. >> why do you think he spent time with you and did "the daily mail" pay for the interview? >> we didn't pay in any way, shape, or form. and if you ask why he spoke to me specifically?
11:11 pm
i think with all these things, luck and timing and being in the right place at the right time plays a part but it's i think as i said at the very beginning, mr. robertson is steadfast in his believes and he is not ashamed of what he said. he believes it to be true. why would he be scared of speaking to the media or me at the very least. he is confident in what he says and he wants to get his message out there. >> wil payne, thanks so much. >> thank you. a lot more happening tonight including americans in jeopardy caught in a war zone in south sudan. we'll have the latest. also much more on the target data breach. how hackers got 40 million credit and debit card numbers. a secret expert has the low down when 360 continues. this is george. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice.
11:12 pm
take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪ [ male announcer ] that's handy. it's been that way since the day you met. but your erectile dysfunction - it could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache.
11:13 pm
to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or if you have any allergic reactions such as rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. open to innovation. open to ambition. open to bold ideas. that's why new york has a new plan -- dozens of tax free zones all across the state. move here, expand here, or start a new business here and pay no taxes for ten years... we're new york. if there's something that creates more jobs, and grows more businesses... we're open to it. start a tax-free business at startup-ny.com.
11:14 pm
11:15 pm
help is on the way for people trapped in violence in south sudan. some 40,000 men, women, and children taking refuge in u.n. camps. >> let me be absolutely clear, the world is watching, in all areas of sudan, attacks on civilians and the u.n. peacekeepers deployed to protect them, must cease immediately. >> in response to the secretary general, they're calling for 5500 personnel in addition to the troops around on the ground. some of the attacks were regarding a mission to air lift americans to safety. that mission had to be scrubbed. so with that and the possibility of another benghazi, the pentagon ordered a marine
11:16 pm
contingent to move closer to the region. barbara starr has more, the pentagon seems to be taking no chances, what is the latest on their movements and the american civilians they may have to evacuate? >> good evening, john, about 150 marines are on the ground there in the horn of africa in the nation of djibouti. heavily armed, waiting for orders. if they get the orders they will go in. they have two possible missions, to reinforce to provide additional security for the u.s. embassy in the capital there, or to evacuate the rest of the americans in the south sudan. the belief is there are 100 americans associated with the embassy. the problem is right now, the fighting is so bad, so vicious, so severe, the state department is not even sure if they're on the lookout for americans who may be hunkered down in u.n. compounds, in hotels, in their homes, anybody who wants to get out they want to be able to
11:17 pm
provide that air lift to get them out in the coming days. but this is very tough going, as the u.n. warned today, the concern is the fighting is spiraling out of control. >> tough going, barbara, how much of this is the response that would happen anyway to what happened here, and how much is the ghost of a possible benghazi. >> we have to tell you, the u.s. military was very open about it when they announced the marines on the way. they say this was one of the lessons learned of benghazi. that when you have americans at risk in areas of the world where there may not be u.s. military forces at the ready, you have to put the military force there. as everyone will recall in benghazi, there were no nearby u.s. military forces, nobody to come help at that compound. this time, the pentagon taking no chances. putting the 150 marines into the region, even before there are orders to go. they don't want this to happen again. >> and barbara, what is the
11:18 pm
latest you hear about the u.s. personnel wounded over the weekend? >> yeah, this is both sad and happy news, john, three of the four navy seals are expected shortly as in the coming hours, as a matter of fact, to land at the u.s. military hospital in germany. the very hospital that has treated thousands of wounded from iraq and afghanistan over the years. one navy seal remains behind in hospital in nairobi. he was very seriously hurt. he is expected to make it but his injuries were so serious the military flew a special surgical team into nairobi to provide a ed me kale -- medical care and they have a military plane equipped on stand by to bring him out if needed. >> our thoughts and prayers go out to everybody. and again, this is a very dangerous time to be a american in that part of the world. rob mckee is a private security manager for the firm, warrior security.
11:19 pm
they have a major presence this south sudan. rob, your security firm has about 3500 guards throughout the country. what is the situation now and what do you make of reports about movement of u.s. marines. >> yeah, as you said, we're unique in that we have security in all ten states. i think it is an interesting development. we heard what happened in bore the other day with the osprey being shot at. so clearly the united states is taking a very active role in what seems to be a blossoming conflict here. >> a spokesman for the south sudanese military saying that the violence is falling short of a full-blown civil war. how much would an american intervention intensify things? >> it is tough to say, i've been here in south sudan, and warrior security has been operational here since shortly after the cpa was signed.
11:20 pm
the security is difficult to fathom unless you were on the ground here. so any type of campaign by the united states would have to be concentrated in specific areas. i mean, politically what is happening right now is we're seeing the army defect along tribal lines. and we have more reports on the ground from our personnel with warrior security on the ground that the charges have in fact taken the oil fields and he has released a plan about how he wants to divert that oil money and deal directly with the oil companies. things are shaping up here in a very complex way. and will u.s. military intervention work? not sure, will it even happen? i can't say. what i can say is the conflict here is taking an ethnic dimension and spiraling out of control quick. >> well, help to put us in context, the violence, the out of control youth and gangs, does
11:21 pm
that match what your security forces are seeing? >> yes, we have military personnel on the ground in bore and other places that have witnessed or seen, or heard you know, killings and you know, pretty much right outside of the gate of some compounds. so those reports of looting are definitely true. the reports of killings are definitely true. trying to document them and prove that they're happening is the job that the united nations and other missions but we will there to protect life and property and provide taylor-made security solutions for people on the ground. >> you say a helicopter was hit with small firearms over the weekend? tell us what happened? >> well, yeah, there is confirmed reports of one aircraft being downed and a second u.n. aircraft going in and extracting that crew. i believe it happened in a place that as we know from the reports has seen widespread fighting.
11:22 pm
i know casualties in that. in the past there was a u.n. helicopter that was downed by some type of weapon, you know, an rpg or surface to air missile is not confirmed. but i think that the precedent has been set. that whatever forces are on the ground and whoever it is, they're willing to take down a u.n. aircraft and clearly from what we saw the other day, they're willing to fire at u.s. aircraft. so it is taking on a dangerous dimension. >> dangerous and sober assessment. rob mckee, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> as this develops you can find more on this story on cnn.com. coming up, the lawsuits piling up after hackers hit 40 million customers' data and credit card debit information. how does this happen? our gary tuchman shows us how easy it is for hackers to get your information. even as more people sign up public support for obama care is at an all-time low according to a new cnn poll. we'll crunch the numbers. .
11:23 pm
and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts, that's why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the things you love. ink from chase. so you can.
11:24 pm
because you can't beat zero heartburn. woo hoo! [ male announcer ] prilosec otc is the number one doctor recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 8 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.
11:25 pm
11:26 pm
it looks like the backlash is just beginning, that after hackers targeted target. the 40 million customers' debit and credit card information was compromised at target during, as we know, the busiest shopping time of the year. now many banks are monitoring them. j.p. morgan chase is temporarily limiting atm withdraws and purchases for customers whose accounts were at risk. meanwhile, lawsuits in the works in california, oregon, and rhode island accusing target of not taking steps to protect personal information. we want to know how easy it is for the hackers to get to your
11:27 pm
sensitive information. gary tuchman reports. >> i could teach you in an hour to have a limited attack against somebody and get into their system. >> get their financial information? banking information? >> sure, yeah. >> adam myers is the vice president of intelligence at the security technology company called crowd strike. and he is about to show us how relatively easy it is for people to hack computers of businesses so they could access your credit card information. myers says the way they sometimes start is by just going on google and typing in "how to hack". >> what do you want to hack? facebook, instagram? a twitter account? wi-fi? >> i want to hack a bank, that is where the money is. >> how to hack a bank account, a bank. this is automatic, what people are searching for. >> youtube video on how to hack credit card information. >> this is not any dark secret, how people learn stuff like this. they can just do it in ten seconds. >> sure.
11:28 pm
>> criminals can easily find malicious software online, also known as malware. they often go to underground forums to buy a sew-called builders software which builds the malware. >> when used effectively's criminals can hack into the computers of retailers and steal your bank information when you swipe your card at checkout. >> so basically this code and knowing how to do this and learning it, and often learning it from the internet and google search can lead you to being able to steal millions of dollars. >> right. >> this malware is called zeus, and myers says there are many other types of malware with thousands of variations. >> they are now at a position when somebody puts in their financial information and it comes to them, too. >> exactly. >> the criminals actually have a score board of sorts. >> this is what the bad guy would see. >> it's a management system
11:29 pm
where the bad guys keep track of their victims. right now it says zero, but conceivably it could say 8,000. that means you're controlling 8,000 people's companies and computers. >> absolutely. >> and you could do whatever you wanted to their computers? >> absolutely. >> if the united states had more widespread adoption of chip technology like europe, they could cut down on criminal activity. in the meantime, companies have executives like myers, where many crooks are nailed, because they're not bright enough to not leave their fingerprints on the work they do. >> it is not about how smart you are to do it, but about how good you have to be not to get caught. >> gary tuchman, cnn, washington. >> frightening listening to that. up next when it comes to obama care, it is all about numbers, the numbers are a little stronger, but the poll numbers, well, they have never been lower. and later, 2013, the year in politics and power, health care and beyond. we'll take a look back.
11:30 pm
i'm nathan and i quit smoking with chantix. when my son was born, i remember, you know, picking him up and holding him against me. it wasn't just about me anymore. i had to quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. chantix didn't have nicotine in it, and that was important to me. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you develop these, stop chantix and see your doctor right away, as some could be life threatening. tell your doctor if you have a history of heart or blood vessel problems, or if you develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. use caution when driving or operating machinery. common side effects include nausea, trouble sleeping and unusual dreams. i had to quit smoking to keep up with this guy. [ male announcer ] ask your doctor if chantix is right for you.
11:31 pm
[ male announcer ] what kind of energy is so abundant, it can help provide the power for all this? natural gas. ♪ more than ever before, america's electricity is generated by it. exxonmobil uses advanced visualization and drilling technologies to produce natural gas... powering our lives... while reducing emissions by up to 60%. energy lives here. ♪ i have a cold with this annoying runny nose. [ sniffles ] i better take something. [ male announcer ] dayquil cold and flu doesn't treat all that. it doesn't? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast-acting antihistamine.
11:32 pm
oh, what a relief it is!
11:33 pm
after a rocky start, and boy is that an understatement, the pace is picking up as the obama care deadline approaches. as of this afternoon, more than a half million people have signed up for new insurance. the enrollment deadline has been extended to tomorrow. sport for the health care law dropped to an all time low. there has been bad and then there is really bad. tell us about this poll. >> reporter: this has gone from bad to worse, what we see now on the most recent cnn poll, 35%
11:34 pm
favoring the president's signature health care reform program. 62% opposing, that eroded from just last month when 40% favored, 58% opposed. the big problem here as well, john, is that a lot of women now, their opinion of this is going down. obviously, many of them do make health care decisions. and one of their primary concerns, it appears, is that their health insurance costs are going to cost more. it is a big problem for the obama administration. and this is a trend that we already saw getting worse before the bungled rollout of obama care and it has gotten only worse after the fallout on the website. >> people don't sign up because they need the numbers to make the program work. just today, the administration extended the deadline to sign up by a day. why this change? >> they're saying they're not really extending it, that the
11:35 pm
deadline is today. but the truth is if you go on the website up until the end of tomorrow you're still supposed to be guaranteed to have coverage by january first. this is supposed to be a bit of a buffer because they anticipated there is going to be increased interest. here's what a cms spokeswoman has said. they are anticipating high demand and many are enrolling for health care for multiple time zones. we have taken steps to make sure those selecting a plan through tomorrow will get coverage for january first. and the way they're trying to explain it, john, like if you're going to vote on election day, if you get in the line to vote, even if midnight comes and goes, you are still in line and you will be able to vote. and that is really what they're talking about here, if you go to sign up on the website and get queued and told hey, the website is not available. this will give you the time to make sure -- as long as you're trying to sign up you should be able to do so. >> not quite sure how tomorrow
11:36 pm
equals today but we'll just let that go and count the numbers tomorrow. explain this to me, the white house says the president himself signed up for obama care. i'm guessing he didn't wait in the queue on line, or on the hold call for the center, did he? >> no, he didn't, an unnamed staffer actually went to sign him up personally for the d.c. exchange because obviously he does live in d.c., but because of his unique circumstance, the his being president thing, he couldn't have it handled on line. his personal information, he couldn't go through the on-line process, this staffer did. >> thanks. >> thanks, john. >> as you know, obama care was the thread woven throughout the year in politics. anderson takes a look back. >> reporter: 2013 kicked off in washington with the start of president obama's second term. >> i, barack obama, do swear. >> and the hope to end partisan
11:37 pm
gridlock. >> for now, we cannot afford to delay, we cannot mistake absolutism for principle or substitute spectacle for politics. >> but soon after, the spectacle of politics began, congress drew even deeper partisan lines that nearly no one could or wanted to cross. it started with congress's failure to stop the federal spending cuts that went into effect in march. then the big one. >> at midnight last night for the first time in 17 years, the republicans and congress chose to shut down the federal government. >> the october, the federal government partially shut down after another failure by democrats and republicans to pass a spending bill that would have kept the government up and running. the source of their disagreement? obamacare? >> do you like green eggs and ham? i do not like them, sam, i am. i do not like green eggs and ham. >> tea party hero ted cruz took
11:38 pm
to the senate floor for more than 21 hours before the protest to shut down the obama care, saying the government should shut down rather than spend federal money on the new health care rollout. but the shutdown didn't prevent the rollout. and many saw cruz' speech a stunt, even within his own party. poll numbers plummeted for the gop. the president suffered as well. >> if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan. >> this broken promise by the president didn't help his standing with the public, after hundreds of thousands of americans were dropped from their existing health care plans. and technical problems with the plan's website, healthcare dove, made the rollout of the plan an unmitigated disaster. the republicans slammed the plan as a disaster. >> that is on me, we fumbled the rollout on this health care law. >> the 2012 attack on the american consulate in benghazi was the subject of politically charged hearings on capitol hill this past year, with former secretary of state hillary
11:39 pm
clinton under fire from republicans on the misinformation following the attack. >> the fact is we had four dead americans, was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they would go kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? >> clinton left her posts soon after the hearings, furthering speculations she would make a future run for president. and although the next campaign is years away, they will see hints and teases from both sides. >> digging deeper, anderson also spoke with our political panel about the year that was. >> joining me now, david gergen, founding editor of the dish and andrew sullivan, political commentators, charles blow. charles is an op-ed columnist at "the new york times." what do you think stands out? >> i would say two things. one that i think the republicans really did go to the edge of
11:40 pm
athe abyss and looked down it and figured out maybe not jumping into the ted cruz vortex is the right thing. and i think maybe we see a re- calibration of the republican party and more constructive things in government. on the other side, the president starts -- ends the year nearly ten points down from where he started. and the health care rollout was i think, an absolutely terrible display of what can go wrong with liberal government. but i would say this. at the end of the year it is still true that 2013 will be the first year that americans and the united states had universal health insurance, or close to it. that is, in terms of the historical timeline, that is a big deal. >> well, for me, it was the october surprise, october was a surprise from start to finish, it began with two very bad weeks for republicans and ended with two very bad weeks for the white house and democrats. the first two weeks were the
11:41 pm
government shutdown and the last two weeks were the debacle of the launch and the implementation of obamacare. i think it reminded us in politics things can change in a nano second and did. and i think it is leading to the re-calibration of the republican party. we have seen an emboldened john boehner. i think he's had it. he's fed up and he's fighting back. we're seeing a moment where more main stream republicans are saying you know what? this was a political suicide, we went down a cliff, hell, no, we're not going to take it anymore. >> we talked a lot in the last several years about polarization. i think we are now adding factionalization in the process too. is the libertarian wing of the party going to nominate somebody like a ted cruz or more importantly, a rand paul? or will it be a chris christie
11:42 pm
or jeb bush? we don't know. they will fight it out here. and it's a fight over the soul of the party. you're beginning to see something of the same thing happen in the democratic party. new pop lymph -- populism. something that is spreading, especially in urban areas. >> boston, new york, elsewhere. that populism is also supporting elizabeth warren and calling for her to run. there are an awful lot of people who feel that -- really just as strongly as people feel about rand paul on the right, they feel that way about elizabeth warren. and i don't think she is going to get in right now but i think she will pull hillary to the left. there will be a lot of pressure to pull her to the left. the democrats are going to have to decide who they are too. >> let's stay on this hillary question, you say pull her to the left. i'm not convinced anybody knows where hillary is? i think -- >> but you want her to be committed to the left. >> i think you're right -- >> she will have some polls -- >> now, now, now. >> any particular moment -- >> i thought you wanted to see more of the center.
11:43 pm
>> an interesting thing happening when you have on the right you have a chris christie who seems to be high in the polls. >> right. >> and nobody really knows what chris christie is all about other than he is blustery. and people say he tells it like it is, there are a lot of youtube videos. >> there are no constructive arguments. that's what i'm looking for. >> one at a time. >> but if you're on the right, that actually tells you that it will affect and deal with people with pre-existing conditions. for example, i would like to hear that argument -- >> but here is the problem on the left, what will be the hillary position other than the democratic position? what will be the position other than "i can win." i mean, it's really hard to know what is the hillary clinton platform. if you went out on the street and asked what does hilary clinton stand for politically? what would they say? i'm not exactly sure. >> rescue. >> and -- let me tell you what i think chris christie stands for right now after winning his election. he stands for a republican who
11:44 pm
can bring others, who can bring groups beyond the base into the tent. the republican who can win -- >> a uniter, not a divider. >> something like that that is a >> i'm just saying you have to take the next step, to do what. currently, there is very little out there. >> and listen -- >> let david go ahead. >> i think you're absolutely right that the republican party has to be a party of ideas again. it just sort of had one basic idea of cut government and taxes. that's it. that's the answer to almost everything. they have to come up with a much more constructive view, what do you do about jobs? how do you get growth going again? what do you do about the equality and the environment? chris christie has been trying to get legislation passed and has actually been a reformer on education and been fairly darn successful. >> it be interesting to hear that on a national stage.
11:45 pm
>> i agree. >> is it -- >> i think people -- i think winning a nomination would be tough for him. but i think in terms of winning public support that would help hymn help him toward the nomination, i think -- he is a tough guy. he talks straight. >> people usually do, when they have an incumbent. they want somebody not quite like him who fills in the gaps of the current president. and with chris christie, he's the non-obama. you have to say that. >> that's true. >> i don't think he has met a piece of arugula he has liked. you are right on that one. >> and the democratic left will run against the legacy of the conservative president, barack obama. >> all right, thank you so much, david gergen, charles blow. >> a lively conversation there. up next, a federal judge has struck down utah's ban on same-sex marriage makes another decision. plus, anderson teams up again with kathy griffin to welcome in
11:46 pm
the new year in times square. they will have a preview for us when we come back. what you wear to bed is your business.
11:47 pm
11:48 pm
so, if you're sleeping in your contact lenses, ask about the air optix® contacts so breathable they're approved for up to 30 nights of continuous wear. serious eye problems may occur. ask your doctor and visit airoptix.com for safety information and a free one-month trial.
11:49 pm
almost that time again, yes, that time again, when all eyes are on times square to see if this will finally be the year that kathy griffin gets anderson fired. yes, they have hired lawyers for the coverage. this is the seventh time they will be co-hosting. now, if you have a calendar, you know new year's eve is still more than a week away, but already a snag in kathy's plans. here is anderson and kathy. >> i have a lot to talk to you about. >> oh, really? >> yeah, i think you know what i'm referring to, you have hurt somebody's feelings. >> i don't know what you're
11:50 pm
referring to. >> i think you do, i think you know that ryan seacrest and i have been trying to face time you, and i never thought i would say this, i am now team seacrest instead of team cooper, what is going on? why the hate? what's going on? >> how have you possibly teamed up with ryan seacrest, he has been your nemesis for years. >> that's right, cooper, you mess with me, i bring out the big guns. i actually have an e-mail exchange between ryan seacrest, myself, and anderson cooper. it as followed. ryan seacrest, good to see you, kathy, let's figure out dinner with coop, how should we loop everyone in? anderson says, it is awful to see you, then i give out his e-mail, i don't have carson daly's i wish i did. he is the most solid of the bunch. oh, sorry, i didn't think you would see that, and then dinner, and ryan says mission accomplished. are you guys up for dinner before the shows? then anderson cooper says, and i hope that all of cnn can see
11:51 pm
this. hey, i'm not sure if i can do dinner, i get back on the 30th, but i have to be on air that night until 11:00. looking forward to see you, that is a blow off. ryan seacrest is sobbing, in times square right now, spiking his hair, getting a mani-pedi, reaching out, just wants a hug, i don't even know if you can count on me this year, i may just march over to ryan this year and spoon. >> are you looking forward to new year's eve? i'm looking forward to being teamed with you again, slash, dreading it a little bit. >> okay, the slash was really not necessary, because they're very different things, usually a slash means things that are grouped together. so of course you're looking forward to being with me, i mean, of course i'm looking forward to being with you. >> we can all debate whether the slash was necessary. >> help anderson cooper and kathy griffin ring in the new year in times square, tune in live on cnn.
11:52 pm
starting at 9:00 p.m. eastern. let's get caught up on other stories that susan hendricks is here with the 3640 -- 360 news. >> and former nba star dennis rodman has left korea where he spent four days helping to set up a basketball game for kim jong-un's birthday. the game will be between north korean players and veterans yet to be named yet. dennis rodman did not meet with kim jong-un during this trip. and today, a federal judge refused to block his own decision refusing to allow same-sex marriage in that state. the gay couples have been lining up to marry since utah's the govern vows to fight the decision. and apple has a potential pull of more than 700 million cell phone customers now that it reached a deal with china mobile. in china, the iphone 5 costs more than $500. that prices out a large part of the population. and in honor, rachel washburn honored on the field. this was yesterday.
11:53 pm
it turns out the bronze star recipient who served two tours in afghanistan was also a cheerleader for the eagles for three seasons. well deserved honor there. >> well deserved for her, and great for the team, as well. you're right. susan, thank you so much. up next, you voted online. now see your choice for number four on our countdown of the top five ridiculists of 2013. [ female announcer ] tide pods three-in-one detergent.
11:54 pm
pop in the drum of any machine... ♪ ...to wash any size load. it dissolves in any temperature, even cold. tide pods. pop in. stand out.
11:55 pm
11:56 pm
we're grateful for all of you who stopped your holiday shopping to vote on to ridiculous 2013. we're counting down as tonight, your choice, for number four. this was back in june when a certain internet sensation just galloped her way into anderson's heart. take a look. >> time now for "the ridiculist." and tonight we offer the tips to get in shape this summer. it's of course called prancercize.
11:57 pm
this is so ridiculous. it is described as springy, rhythmic way of moving forward similar to a horse's gait, and induced by elation, which is what one feels when they watch joanne rohrback use this way to prancercize. >> i've got my ankle weights in place and my music's ready. so let's stop talking and do some walking. ♪ >> i mean, i thought this was a saturday night live skit. it's not. you can prancercize anywhere if you dare. on the sidewalk, at the mall. a path in the woods, even on the "today" show.
11:58 pm
>> rhythmically -- and -- >> uh-huh. >> wow. this is fantastic. >> very ugly -- >> you know, i'm surprised i never came up with this myself. >> since the prancercize video started getting pop your online there have been a lot of comments and here's the shocker, not all of them have been kind. but joanna is doing what she does best. she is taking it all in springy rhythmic stride. here's what she told jeanne moos. >> you know what? i'll take everything, because hey, that is what getting famous is about, right? >> don't i know it. the harsh, the goof, one big ball of fame. i happen to think joanne is way ahead of her time and developed prancercize in the '80s. need i remind you what else was happening in the fitness scene in the '80s? ♪
11:59 pm
i had my hair really long in that video. one other point i would like to make about prancercize as viewers are well aware, a horse based fitness rue seen is already popular in other parts of the world. the korean fitness machine. are we going to show this again? are we really? [ speaking foreign language ]. >> i watch that daily, but with prancercize, you don't need any fancy equipment. all you need is a spring in your step and muzak in your heart. ♪
12:00 am
i don't care what anyone says, prancercize rocks. >> well, we ask you to stay tuned this as we count down the top five ridiculists this week. anthony bourdain, parts unknown, starts now. chances are you haven't been to this place. chances are this is a place you've never seen. other than maybe blurry cell phone videos, old black-and-white newsreels from world war ii. chances are bad things were