next, bridge over troubled water. chris christie under fire today accused of plotting political revenge. >> i find it hard to believe that this administration wasn't directly involved. >> is it the end of his presidential dreams? plus, dennis rodman's strange trip gets even stranger. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to you

and a call for help ends with a deadly police shooting. the stepbrother of the teenage victim talks to cnn. >> they had the situation completely under control. >> but the third officer? >> the third officer is 100% in the wrong. >> let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone, i'm don lemon in for erin. we're going to begin with breaking news tonight. a controversy involving governor chris christie is intensifying. cnn has just obtained a letter that shows what started as a local political fight had real life or death consequences. we are learning that the traffic jam on the george washington bridge in november which may have been intentionally created by chris christie's staff as political pay back delayed paramedics responding to a woman suffering from a heart attack. that's the accusation tonight from a city official in new jersey. joe johns has the letter just obtained by cnn.

what does it say, joe? >> it's a new headache from the chris christie administration. a letter from the emergency medical services coordinator in fort lee, new jersey, he ticks off four times when they were delayed responding to calls apparently due to the change in traffic patterns in the fort lee area. we're talking about a vehicle accident with injuries involving four patients, a woman in cardiac arrest who was pronounced at a local hospital and a couple cases of people experiencing chest pains. the letter was dated september 10th of last year. this shows why the evidence of intentionally created delays on the george washington bridge are so serious for the governor's office. >> reporter: first, there was snarled traffic on the george washington bridge and now newly exposed e-mail traffic from members of governor chris christie's inner circle raise questions over whether the gridlock was intentional and

politically motivated payback. the closest thing from a smoking gun is this august 13th message from the chief of staff, "time for traffic problems from fort lee." the reason was a traffic study. problem is, the town that felt most of the pain was fort lee, new jersey, whose democratic mayor had endorsed christie's opponent in the gubernatorial race in november. democrats in the state pounced. >> they felt they needed to inflict some measure of retribution on fort lee or the mayor of fort lee? >> but chris christie denied his office was involved. >> i was the guy working the cones. you are not serious with that question. >> reporter: that was in december. today the governor releasing a statement calling the e-mails unacceptable and saying he's outraged that he was misled by a member of his staff and that the completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without his knowledge.

>> may not be the end of it. the other headache for governor chris christie is he didn't know what he was going on in his own office. while he says he was misled by a member of the staff, the e-mails seem to suggest that more than one staffer may have had knowledge of what was going on. the governor promised accountability for those responsible, don. >> thank you, joe. joining me now is chairwoman of the democratic national committee, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. thank you for coming in. >> thank you, don. good to be here. >> democrats are quick to react today. the dnc sent out numerous e-mails bashing christie. he put out a response saying the behavior is unacceptable. do you have evidence that he knew what was going on? >> i think the investigation that is ongoing is going to -- through the questioning, particularly tomorrow when the assembly asks the right people under oath questions about exactly what happened and who

and where these instructions came from to shut down three lanes of highway on the george washington bridge that not just -- not only snarled traffic but actually slowed down first responders from looking for a 4-year-old. there are so many questions that need to be answered that chris christie has refused to answer thus far and today those e-mails revealed that there is smoke and that smoke leads right to the closest staff that he has in his office. if he's such a straight shooter, which he prides himself on, don, why did it take seven hours for him to release a statement for him saying he was outraged and he had nothing to do with it and had no knowledge of it. i can tell you if i knew nothing about something and had no knowledge, i would immediately release a statement. that doesn't take a lot of hand wringing to release a statement about it. >> you're not buying that he didn't know it and blaming it on

the top aides, you're not buying that, correct? >> like i said, his statement and actions thus far have proven that he's not a straight shooter that he has claimed to be and the questions require answers. he needs to step up and face the music and answer those questions. >> congresswoman, here's what the republicans are saying. they say president obama is facing controversies. each time the president claims he didn't know. he didn't know about the nsa spying on allies, he didn't know obamacare website. that he didn't know you wouldn't be able to keep your doctor. so what's the difference between christie not knowing and the president not knowing? >> the difference is president obama said he didn't know about were policy issues. this is a scandal that leads to his office in which his staff and possibly him exacted political retribution in retaliation for a democratic mayor in fort lee refusing to endorse him in his re-election.

as a result they ordered the shutdown of three lanes of the george washington bridge on the first day of school, snarling traffic, trapping children in school buses -- >> right. >> preventing first responders from -- >> couldn't all the scandals, including the president, he believes these are made up scandals. couldn't they all be scandals? >> i don't know how you could compare a governor and his staff shutting down three lanes of highway in retaliation. these e-mails that came out today though -- show that it was in response to a mayor refusing to endorse their boss for re-election. how could you compare that to health care policy, intelligence policy and foreign policy? none of those three things were scandals. they're not comparable. chris christie has to face the music. he has refused to answer questions for months. he said he had nothing to do with this and knew nothing about it and that it didn't have anything do with anyone in his office.

and it turns out none of that is true. >> to get the chairwoman of the dnc to come in must be a big deal, because republicans are saying, listen, this is all politically motivated, even possibly by the dnc and beyond. polls show that clinton beats all opponents except for chris christie. i'm talking about hillary clinton. it shows that chris christie beats her by two points, 48% to 46%. do they have a point? >> chris christie is the governor of new jersey and the head of the republican governor's association. he said his soul responsibility right now is to re-elect and elect republican gofr nos. so he has created a culture in his office in the very at least that allowed his senior staff to think that it was okay to exact political retribution that impacted his constituents, shut down three lanes of highway

on the bridge and he denied having -- his office having anything to do with it. there are more questions than answers. chris christie needs to be forthcoming. he needs to step up and answer the questions and he needs to do that immediately. >> congresswoman, thank you very much. joining me now, cnn chief national correspondent, john king. john, can you unspin the spin for us here? is this as big a deal as the democrats might want to believe? >> they certainly hope it is. for a number of reasons. number one, he's starting his new term as new jersey's governor. he needs to get things done. just in the state of new jersey, something like this can set a governor back on his heels. number two, you just had the chairwoman of the dnc. what did she say? yes, and he's the only republican who even runs slightly ahead of hillary clinton. they want to take him down, without a doubt. they want to make republicans afraid of chris christie this year, don. he's the chairman of the republican governor's association. he's supposed to raise all this

money for the governor races around the country. the success of republicans in those governor's races will help or hurt. so the democrats see a star in the republican party. they're trying to take him down. how the governor handles this in the next 72 hours or so, including the next 24 hours is critical, both to his second term as governor and to his national ambitions. >> he's going to need someone unscandal to undo this. we were hard pressed to find a republican today who would defend chris christie. what do you make of that? >> a number of republicans, the office holders are walking away saying, call the governor's office, that's his business, not my business. you look at rush limbaugh, the part of the republican party that doesn't like chris christie or they're suspicious, they're saying he sounds like richard nixon. he sounds vindictive. he sounds petty. we think he's too dangerous, we think he's a bully. if that becomes hard and

concrete, the image of a guy as a bully and vindictive, that's not a presidential temperament. that's been his challenge from day one because of the infamous youtube videos. the video of the governor laughing at reporters, saying answer our questions. go away, that's not a serious question. tonight, don, these are serious questions. the governor has to step back and it's a serious test for him and his staff and the biggest thing he has to worry about tonight, as he said, i was misled. as he says that, we have to assume he knows there is no way, no document that's going to trace this to him. >> serious questions that demand serious answers. john king, appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, the white house fights back. how the obama administration is responding to the harsh criticism from robert gates. plus, dennis rodman wishes the north korean president a very happy birthday. one person who defends the basketball diplomacy next.

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just over an hour, dennis rodman and his former team of nba players are expected to catch a flight back to beijing after a controversial visit to north korea. the purpose of the trip, an

exhibition trip pitting rodman's roster against a north korean team. he opened the games by se serenading kim on his birthday. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday, kim jong-un, happy birthday to you ♪ >> rodman called today's game in front of 14,000 spectators historic. very few agree with rodman's assessment. reverend jesse jackson joins me. i want to put this up. on january 6, you tweeted this, congrats, your diplomacy efforts in north korea. it must be dark but you are a light. then that tweet was deleted. what do you mean? are you supporting dennis rodman? >> let me make it clear. the ping pong team went to china. they shed light on the situation. no one expected the ping

pong team to change u.s.-china policy. like when the globetrotters went to russia singing "sweet georgia brown." no one expected them to change policy. it led to more political diplomatic efforts. >> those efforts are a bit different, reverend, because no one sanctioned this trip for him to go to north korea. everyone is denouncing this trip. with all that is going on in north korea, the camps, people not eating, poverty in the country, a dictator, not being allowed to use information, cell phones, this is quite different. it seems like you're comparing apples to oranges here. >> i sent a letter to the north korean leader today urging him on humanitarian grounds to release mr. kenneth bae, who is san ill man and a diabetic. i talked to his mother today. that's the role i would play.

the roll that ambassador richardson would play, president carter would play. we are professional diplomats. >> exactly. dennis rodman is not a professional diplomat so why should he be congratulated or encouraged here. >> the ping pong players are not professional diplomats either and the harlem globetrotters were not professional either. it shed light on a dark situation. >> reverend, how could people -- i'm sure you understand this. how can people take dennis rodman serious after this interview with chris cuomo saying that american kenneth bae is guilty of something. listen. >> kenneth bae did one thing if you understand. if you understand what kenneth bae did, you understand what he did? >> what did he do? you tell me. you tell me what did he do? >> you tell me. you tell me. why is he held captive? >> they haven't released any charges. they haven't released anything. >> i -- >> listen -- >> let me -- >> there's a lot more, for lack

of a better word, craziness. i want to say what kenneth bae told cnn. they're appalled by rodman's behavior. and by all accounts, he's been held illegally by north korea. you've been on diplomatic missions. do you think rodman is being used by this brutal dictator? >> rodman said i'm a basketball player. we would not leave him as a basketball player. cuomo did a serious diplomatic interview with him about his position about kenneth bae, which i thought was off base, because rodman says i'm just a ball player. in the tradition of ballplayers and singers. >> your point is taken there. i want to play more of his interview of why he thinks this visit to north korea with a team of former nba players was a good idea. listen. >> now [ bleep ] rat's ass what the hell you think. i'm saying to you, look at these guys here. look at them. >> dennis, don't use them as an

excuse for the behavior that you're putting on yourself. >> does this make it harder for diplomats in any way seeing this circus environment, seeing the anger from dennis rodman to get north korea to scale back their nuclear program? >> i would not confuse the role of dennis rodman and basketball and the globetrotters and civilian and ping-pong and the soviet union with serious diplomacy. why are we discussing north korea today? because of dennis rodman. >> thank you, reverend jackson. why me? it's a question that plagues survivors of horrific plane crashes, and the documentary "sole survivors" explores the complex emotions experienced by lone survivors. one of these flights, comair flight 5191 that crashed when the pilots tried to take off

from the wrong runway. so why isn't the technology being used? renee marsh has the story. >> i said, set thrust. he set the thrust and away we went. >> reporter: august, 2006. comair flight 5191 lined up to take off from lexington, kentucky. 50 people were on board. the pilots were assigned to runway 22, which was 7,000 feet long. instead, they took runway 26, half that length. the lane crashed before bursting into planes. the first officer was the only survivor. >> i was not supposed to be on the flight. >> neither was the captain. >> that's the terminal that comair 5191 pulled out of. >> yes, that's correct. >> reporter: we retraced part of the flight's path. but we did it using gps

technology the two pilots did not have at the time. >> by having this tool, it clearly identifies each one of these. >> reporter: illustrations on screen showy runway is ahead. it's been seven years since it was recommended all cockpits have this ktechnology. but the faa hasn't mandated it. >> the technology most of us have in our pockets. so what we're asking is to give this type of technology to the pilots who might need it the most. >> advance the throttles. >> short runway. short runway. >> so you get a clear warning and a red indication that things are not correct. >> reporter: how important is something like this? >> in today's world, it's very important. it gives you that additional situational awareness. >> reporter: technology that

could have prevented that fatal wrong turn. a mistake paul lives with every day. >> the people that came on board the plane were my responsibility. they were mine and captain clay's responsibility. if there's anything i can say to the family members is that i'm sorry we made that mistake. >> reporter: renee marsh, cnn, lexington, kentucky. >> renee, thank you very much. don't miss "sole survivor" tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. still to come, the white house fights back tonight against criticism from a former member of the president's own inner circle. plus, a teenager shot and killed by police in front of his family. the young man's stepbrother joins us tonight. the infamous judge who sentenced a rapist to 30 days in price oon makes a major announcement. which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪

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welcome back, everyone. second half of "outfront." a former guantanamo bay detainee has been linked to the attack on the u.s. mission in benghazi. the state department will soon formerly designate the libyan city of darna a terror group and connected to the attack that killed four americans. the terrorist designation will allow it to freeze assets and impose travel bans on its known members. the announcement is expected in the coming days. a controversial montana judge says he is retiring at the end of the year. judge g. todd bao came under fire after he sentenced a former high school teacher to one month in prison for raping a teenage girl who later committed suicide.

during the sentencing, he said the victim was older than her chronological age and probably as much in control of the situation as the teacher. we caught up with the judge and tried to ask him about the comments. >> excuse me, judge bao, good morning. hi. i'm from cnn. do you have a minute? >> no thanks. >> the teacher, stacy dean ramble served 30 days. the montana attorney general appealed the sentence, saying it did not meet the state's mandatory minimum. not many people get to ride in the pope mobile but today the pope picked up a hitchhiker. well, kind of. according to the catholic news service -- pope francis spotted father fabian bifrom buenos aires and offered him a ride. the pope telling baez that the picture will go around the world and certainly did.

tonight damage control at the white house, the obama administration is pushing back at stunning criticism from former defense secretary robert gates. in a book, gates slams president obama's leadership, but his sharpest jabs are aimed at vice president joe biden. saying he's been wrong on every major national security issue over the last few decades. jay carney is dismissing the attacks. >> the president and the rest of us here simply disagree with that assessment. as a senator and as a vice president joe biden has been one of the leading statesmen of his time and he has been an excellent counselor and advisor to the president for the past five years. >> cnn's jim sciutto has gotten an early copy of that memoir. jim, you have been digging through the book and there are a lot of contradictions, right? >> there are. it's a complicated memoir. it's nuanced. it's emotional at times.

it's critical of even gates himself. it's conflicted because at times you have harsh criticism not only of biden but the presidential decision making. here's one comment that he wrote the gap between the white house and senior defense leaders have become a chasm. neither side was listening. that's a damming criticism to have for the commander in chief for the time when there were two major wars going on but at the same time gates also praised obama in many parts of the book. he called him very presidential. and went on to say he's a man of personal integrity and was an excellent role model. as you dig into this deeper as well, remember, he served two presidents. he served george w. bush before obama as well, a republican, gates himself a republican, but he was bipartisan in his criticism and he said that bush and obama had something in common and listen to this both were most comfortable around a

codery of aides and friends, both detested congress and resented having to deal with it. nor did either work at establishing close personal relationships with other world leaders. both presidents seemed to be very aloof with respect to two constituencies. you see him there leveling very strong criticism against both republican and democratic leaders. the presidents he served. in other places he talked about how much he enjoyed working for them. and as we've said in our earlier reporting, he says that even on those issues he criticized obama on, for instance, sending his posture, as he sent those troops into afghanistan, he says he believes he got those calls right. >> a lot has been made about transparency or the lack thereof in the white house. today, they let photographer into a lunch with the president and vice president today.

was than attempt to defuse any of gates' damage here? >> the timing is suspect. just last night, the white house was already pushing back on this criticism of biden saying in fact the president treats him as one of his closest advisers. so today, you have pictures of them eating lunch together and of course, obama treating him as a close adviser. one more thing i can tell you, don. i just confirmed this, we know a substantial portion of the money made from this book, including the advance, is going to go to nonprofits, including nonprofits that benefit veterans and wounded veterans. so gates and barbara starr was saying this earlier today in her reporting, a very emotional connection to the troops, breaking into tears as he talked about that. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much.

it started as a call for help but ended in a tragic death. now the family of 18-year-old keith videl is speaking out. he was behaving erratically on sunday when he was shot and killed by police in his home in north carolina. the family says they called authorities for help and two officers appeared to be getting the situation under control, but 70 seconds after a third officer arrived, keith was dead. the stepbrother arrived moments later. >> reporter: young keith was shot and killed in front of his family his own home. two officers have been cleared. the chief of police says his officer acted according to policy and to law. the sheriff says his deputy did the same. you might be surprised to hear that keith's family agrees. do you believe that those two officers did nothing wrong? >> yes. i believe those two officers did

nothing wrong. >> reporter: mark tells me that boiling lake springs police were familiar with keith's problem with schizophrenia and had been to the house three other times. this time the local officer knew him and knew what to do. but he says everything changed when a plain clothes detective from another town, who did not know about keith's illness, arrived at the scene and told the two officers to use their stun guns. >> all they did was tase my brother and got him in handcuffs. >> reporter: but the third officer? >> he's 100% in the wrong. why would somebody shoot a 90 pound kid with two officers on him with two tasers deployed inside him? there's no reason. >> reporter: an official description why the detective pulled his gun and shot the teen has not been released. a recording of radio traffic shows the detective claims

self-defense. >> i don't know if you've been advised or not, but shots fired. i've had to defend myself against this subject. >> reporter: that detective is now on paid administrative leave. his boss says there hasn't been an officer shooting in his department for 20 years, and the detective's record was spotless. your officer said on the radio that he had to defend himself. was that the case? >> i wasn't there, and i i don't know other than what they told me at the radio station. >> reporter: but the question that is many people have, how does an 18-year-old kid that is 100 pounds that is already subdued end up dead? >> that's what i'm waiting for when i hear all the inquirienqu. >> reporter: his family says he

had been diagnosed with schizophrenia within the last year. when they called police, they just wanted help getting him to a doctor. >> david, all three officers involved in this case are getting some support tonight. am i correct? >> that's right. from the police benevolent association of north carolina, they hired an attorney to conduct their own investigation of what happened here. they released a statement today saying that all three officers acted properly, including the detective who pulled his weapon and fired that fatal shot. they described the screwdriver that the young man was holding as a deadly weapon. and they said that half this young man was hit by the stun guns, the hand he was holding that screwdriver with, made contact with one of the other officers. that's when the detective fired in order to protect what he thought he needed to do to protect that officer. that sort of conflicts a little bit with what we heard the

detective saying in that recording on the police radio when he said he was protecting himself. no one here on the local level is handling the investigation. that's been kicked up to the state. we're waiting to see what their findings are. even that may not be the last word. the family has an attorney and is probably concerning legal action. don? >> david mattingly, thank you. a major shakeup. we have a behind the scenes look tonight. and a video of a toddler saying sexually explicit things posted on line by a police group. the head of the union joins us to explain why. [ male announcer ] this is the story

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last night we told you about a controversial video that was posted online by the omaha, nebraska police association. video shows a child in diapers cursing and making obscene gestures with the adults who are taping him and encouraging him. we have cleaned it up for tv but we want to warn our viewers, it is disturbing. >> so what hood you from, blood? >> say [ bleep ] i'm from deuce kneip. >> something's different. he said he was -- >> say my name three times. >> [ bleep ] a ho. >> you a ho. >> you a ho. >> what's up then? >> so that video led to a very heated debate about whether it was right to post the video online. >> do you think that this is a common occurrence even in places where there's high levels of violence? >> yes. >> you do? >> yes. >> i do. >> both of you are absurd.

>> i hear people talking to their children like that all the time. >> really? >> yes. >> you think people walk around with kids saying what hood you from? >> yes, i do. >> people calling them little "n" words. i walk the streets of new york city. i hear it all the time. >> what we saw in that video is a whole other level. >> many of you went to the internet to weigh in. we like it when you become engaged. here are a few of the responses. watching your debate about that video. i see that type of behavior, regardless of race, every day as a prosecutor around the courthouse. miss t says wonder where you live in new york where parents call their kids the n word. two wrongs don't make a right. jamie power says black people hate @donlemon right now. i see it in macon, georgia every day. jennifer says poor child doesn't even realize that she's doing anything wrong. it's abusive and invasive. the video will be out there forever.

sergeant john wells is president of the omaha police association, which put their video on their cite. mark hill and wendy walsh also join us. sergeant wells, i know this video was on facebook before it was posted on your site. but many disagree with you. how do you defend the decision to put this out there? >> great question, don. first of all, this video was public. it was on a person's facebook page. it was public for anyone to view at the time unedited. one of our followers tipped us off about this video. the whole point behind our facebook page and our website is to give the public not necessarily the national public because this has obviously received a lot of attention, law abiding citizens and voters an unfiltered view of what law enforcement deals with in the city of omaha on a day-to-day basis. some of that is uplifting. some of it is humorous. some of it is sad, some of it is

quite frankly shocking and evokes an emotional reaction, much like this video did. >> let's get the reaction -- >> at the end of the day. sorry, don. >> go ahead. finish your thought. at the end of the day what? >> at the end of the day the whole point to posting this video was to show, again, the depth of the problem so that people realize this type of thing does happen in omaha, nebraska, and we can start to address these very serious issues. >> mark, how do you respond to that? >> i appreciate your candor and honesty because over the last few days some people were saying the video was posted for concern as a cry for help for the child. in many ways, it was the police saying look at what which have to deal with, we have to deal with pem like this. my concern with the video is multiple. one, you posted the child's face. we spent the last few weeks talking about what it means to protect toddlers, innocent babies, yet we posted this child's face. calling it a thug cycle prepares the world to see him as the end of the cycle, in other words, the outgrowth of a process of thuggery ends with this little boy who's not ready

for great school yet. we're already imagining him as a thug. i agree. the video was public, very true. we don't want to mimic the people that we're critiquing, right? >> did you have to show his face and do you think it was wrong to call the child a thug? the family in the video asked him to be a thug in his diaper any ways. sergeant? >> to be straightforward, we never called the child a thug. we talked about thug culture when we talk about criminal culture, violent culture. we have generations that fall into this culture. we as police officers here in omaha, nebraska, have dealt with these generations. there's a high profile story back in december that was reported in the media about someone who was recently out of prison and committed a series of four homicides, that comes from a long generation of people who have had trouble with the criminal justice system. >> i'm confused. you say there's a cycle of thugs and thugs were training this kid.

isn't that the argument? that's what a cycle is. >> the fear is this child will go down a path that he can't recover from. my hope and prayers are that this child gets the help that he needs to lead a productive life. we referred this to our child victim unit. it is being investigated. i don't know the specifics about the investigation, because the police chief would have to comment about that, because it's an ongoing investigation. to the child's face, this was a public video. we didn't record it. we didn't make it public. we went to the internet and found other children cursing. listen. >> i want to show you this video. we went to the internet and found examples of other children cursing. listen. >> shut up. [ bleep ]. >> that was a good one. >> did you get it? >> yeah.

>> shut up [ bleep ]. >> beautiful combination. he's down. something needs to -- >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> shut up. >> shut up [ bleep ]. >> you weak-ass punk. >> shut up -- >> wendy, it's more common than most people think, right? it's not just about race, is it? >> this is absolutely not about race, except that by forwarding the original particular video that only showed an african-american child, it sends the message out there that this is only happening in black culture. it wasn't representative of the fact that this has to do with lower socioeconomic class people who may not be educated and this is how we continue to perpetuate the cycle of poverty and perhaps a cycle of crime. but it's not necessarily representative of any one

particular race. this is a class issue, not a race issue. >> alec baldwin is not known for parents, there are plenty of people who don't talk to their children well. >> comparing that child to alec baldwin, that child will have every access in life. wendy, what's the solution? >> i think a parent -- it's early intervention in parenting, that these young parents who clearly are children themselves need to learn that small children and babies are not performing animals doing tricks for you. and understanding that if you decide you're going to live above the law, that teaching the next generation is not going to help keep your genes in the gene pool in the long room. >> thank you all. appreciate you coming in. still to come tonight, what do beyonce and donna brazil have in common? we'll show you, next.

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after auditioning about 25 women in new york and los angeles, 27-year-old sashir zumeda was awarded the coveted spot on the show. it was announced today snl will also be adding two black female writers. lakendra tuks and leslie jones. we were curious about what it takes to land a job on snl. earlier we had the chance to speak with one of the other women who auditioned, actress and comedian seimone shepherd. how did this audition for snl go? tell me what happened? >> the l.a. audition was excellent. we had no idea what we were going for. all we heard was snl and black girl and we just showed up and did our best work. >> what did you do? >> that was all we did. i did a bunch of characters. i did donna brazil. i did -- i even did susan rice. i did beyonce'. beyonce' is a character that i do a lot, a personality that i do quite often.

that's what i'm most known for. i did michelle obama, anything black i did it. >> all right. so quickly, give me beyonce'. >> i would like to wish my baby blue a very happy birthday today. happy birthday, blue, from your mother beyonce', the greatest singer ever [ laughter ] >> is it tough for black female comedians to get work? >> absolutely. first of all, there's a stereotype with women not being allowed to be funny. i mean, there's been lucille ball, so many people, but it's still so hard for us to prove to the world that we're funny. and then being a woman, being african-american, it's like a double whammy. it's like no one wants to see a black girl being funny at all. they want to see us do angela bassett. >> right. everything has meaning. i think you said it best. you said we take ownership of everything, every single comment, right? do you think sometimes we need to lighten up as a comedian? >> we do. when snl came about, i never thought to audition.

i don't see black girls doing it. it was never something that i went out for. they didn't come and find me, i probably would have never went to them. so with that being said, i have to take responsibility. and that's a joke that i make. like well i wouldn't think about them. >> i wrote something about shahir. and i said, she's ultimately going to be judged on her talent. because everyone's talking about black comedian this, black comedian that. she's going to have to be funnier than she is black. meaning she's going to ultimately be judged on her talent. some people took offense to that. do you take offense to that? >> i think it's hilarious. because honestly, what's been rolling around in my brain is that i think that i was funnier than i was black. but still. we can be funny in all packages we are funny. >> and lighten up. you have a great attitude. don't take everything so seriously and lighten up. after all it's a comedian. people get what you're saying and what you mean. they just want to take offense to it.

>> exactly. >> so listen, i understand you mentioned you do a great donna brazil. >> oh, lord. >> i have somebody here right now who would like you to do a donna brazil. as a matter of fact it's donna brazil herself. >> hi there. >> hi, donna. >> so let's see your best donna brazil. >> let's do it. welcome to cnn. i am donna brazil. i will be your moderator for this 2016 presidential debate. join me now in welcoming our nominees. democratic nominee, former secretary of state hillary clinton. and the republican nominee, governor chris christie. governor christie, you will have one minute and 30 seconds to answer my questions. good luck. former secretary of state hillary clinton? you take all the time you need, girl power. >> yeah. >> girl power. >> yes, love.

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this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. back in september, the traffic jam from hell turned the town of fort lee into a virtual hell. coincidently, we learned the town's mayor had refused to endorse for mayor. now, more on a case of political payback. listen to what was told to wolf blitzer earlier today.