move is all that really matters. that's going to wrap things up. stay connected with me at cnn.com. keep the conversation going on twitter as well. time to get you back to the cnn newsroom with kyra phillips. here in the newsroom, i'm kyra phillips. we have a lot going on today. congress is sure getting paid. a new report finds that congress has the most millionaires ever. a teen shot and killed by police, his family still demanding closure and authorities still investigating why lethal force was even used. your car may be spying on you. your car and soon it it may help the government draft your tax bill. we begin tonight with more

questions than answers for residents in west virginia as officials say it could be days before it will be safe to use the tap water. it's a state of emergency for some 300,000 people in nine counties right now. 7500 gallons of a toxic chemical leaked out of a tank. no bathing, brushing your teeth, cooking, the simple things you need water for. 16 tractor trailers from the department of homeland security have delivered fresh drinking water. are officials giving any kind of timeline for the cleanup? >> there's no end date yet, but jeff mcentire, the president of west virginia american water, did hold a press conference a few hours ago and he explained why it's going to take a little while. take a listen. >> i would expect we are talking

days. our teams are out. we have employees that have worked this system that are extremely knowledgeable of the system out collecting samples and looking at flushing activities at this time. but we are talking days. >> as they continue to test, they have to produce safe results repeatedly before they will decide that the water is safe to use. so that's why we're talking days. now the good news is that we have seen the chemical levels decline some, but still, it is not yet safe to use. >> freedom industries, the company that's responsible for this leak, it has been issued a cease operations order from the state department of environmental protection. do we know if criminal charges could be brought against this company? >> that is very possible. booth goodwin said last nigh that he's launching an investigation and just for

negligence there may be criminal charges brought. on top of that, erin brockovich, who is a famous public advocate, she was on cnn last night and says she's sending her team into west virginia as well to investigate on her turf. she's famous for some of the class action lawsuits. >> erin, we were talking about this earlier, this is -- these folks need water for something to do as simple as brushing their teeth. what are these 300,000 folks doing without the simple necessary of water every day? >> kyra, fema is sending in gallons and gallons of water for those kinds of uses in addition to trucks full of bottles of water to drink. but this is not just a health concern. it's also an economic concern because so many businesses in the area have had to close too. so the whole area of charleston

and the surrounding areas are impacted not just for economic concerns, but also for health concerns and just for their daily lives. so it really is a problem there right now. >> we'll keep following it. erin, thanks a lot. alex rodriguez got some bad news. his suspension was shortened, but not by much. still a full season. a punishment for his involvement in the drug scandal and it could be enough to finish his career in baseball. jason carol has the latest. >> this decision is very disappointing for alex rodriguez, but it was not entirely unexpected. alex releasing a statement saying the number of games sadly comes as no surprise as the deck has been stacked against me since day one. i have been clear i did not use performance enhancing substances to violate the basic agreement or the joint. drug agreement in any matter and

in order to prove it i will take this fight to federal court. i will continue to work hard to get back on the field and help the yankees achieve the ultimate goal of winning another championship. i was told he would have accepted a 50 or 65-game suspension. there would not have been an admission of guilt, but they would have moved on, to so to speak, but that did not happen. major league baseball, of course, wanted the entire 211-game suspension to stand. that did not happen. they released a statement saying while we believe the original suspension was appropriate, we respect the decision renderred by the panel and will focus on our continuing efforts on eliminating performance enhancing substances from our game. as you can imagine, a number of sports fans are weighing in. about the 162-game suspension. here's what they had to say. >> i'm from boston and i thought the penalty was too strong.

i'm good with the 162. >> how do you hand out the ban to one person and not give anything to the other people doing the same thing? if you talk about just arod, i think it's too harsh. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think if they gave him anything, it it it should be 50 games at the max. >> whole career should be out. not enough. >> i think he deserves it. i don't think there should be doping in. baseball. >> during the entire arbitration process, alex rodriguez was allowed to play ball. that may not be. the case this time. representative from major league baseball said this decision is final so he will not be able to play baseball even while he takes his fight to next level. do not expect him to show up for spring training. that may not be the case. he's going to ask his attorney to ask a federal judge for an injunction to allow him to keep

playing while he keeps fighting. jason carroll, cnn, new york. credit card users, there's a the lot of you. two major retailers this weekend are trying to figure out how many customers unwittingly gave their personal information to hackers over the holidays. first, target. now niemann marcus. it's a major security breach that they learned about before christmas. they say they have been working to shore up security and not exactly sure how many customers need to be worried. jennifer merrily is following this for us. what kind of information might be compromised? >> we know credit card information was compromised. the unknowns is how many numbers and the timeframe from when the information was stolen. the target investigation is farther along so we have learned more. originally it was 40 million that had numbers taken. now there's an additional 70

million that they are talking about. those numbers could cross over a little bit, but have had more information taken. personal mfgs, names, mailing addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses. i suspect in the days to come, we'll learn more about what was taken through that security breach. here's what we do know. in mid-december, the company was contacted about a possible security breach. it it took until january 1st to determine that that breach did happen and that customers' information was taken. from there they worked with the secret service and they are working to shore up all of those glitches that led to that security breach. they plan to contact customers that may have had fraudulent charges on their cards. they say "we have begun to contain the atrugs and have taken steps to further enhance information security." that's important in this case. >> boot line, be looking at your statement and take action if something doesn't seem right.

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scope. also 2,000 pages of new documents show a pattern of christie aids stone walling inquiries about the g.w. bridge lane e closures. the documents do not show any connection between christie and the plot to snarl traffic in new jersey. we are tracking the story from new york. you have looked through the documents. what stands out at this point? >> an investigation has revealed about 2,000 documents including scathing e-mails. two people have resigned and one was fired in what appears to be a coverup by members of governor chris christie's inner circle. his closest allies made it seem like closing down the lanes was part of a traffic study for four days. there was gridlock, major inconvenience for commuters and delays for emergency responders. now it it seems the stunt was part of a political plot to retaliate against the mayor for

not backing christie's reelection. in one of the newly released e-mail exchanges, the executive director of the port authority wrote "i will get to the bottom of this abusive decision which violated everything this agency stands for." a port authority fushl who was appointed by christie replied "on way to office to discuss. can be no public discourse." the response, there's been no public discourse. that exchange is the root of the issue. was there a coverup by crist tees's people. as this scandal unfolds, other mayors are speaking out saying they have been targets of christ christie's team. >> it's going to be interesting to see how big this could get. the assembly is expected to hold a special session on thursday. what do we expect this? >> a call for a vote to renew power. that's the plan. i spoke with a democrat leading

this investigating committee and he wants all of the documents to be made available. he also said there could be criminal charges if public resources were actually used for political purposes. the question is, who are they going to subpoena? top political aids or his deputy chief of staff who was fired or maybe both of them? what might they share that chris christie says he knows nothing about. he's apologized saying this is embarrassing and humiliating. he held a two-hour press conference this week. next week he's scheduled to fundraise in florida. >> we'll stay on the story. march egret, thanks. congress can't seem o get anything done and we may have discovered a reason why. plus new york mayor under fire for eating pizza. i'll explain, next.

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to be talking about it. democrats are wisely developing stages of investigation. they are going to slow walk this thing because they want this to trail chris christie throughout the entire 2014 midterm season. that doesn't mean that christie is guilty. . if he's not guilty, it's not a career ender. it it is something he has to deal with. >> ben, does crihristie have a problem within his ineer circle? he wondered aloud what he might have done that made his staff think that it was okay to lie to him. >> well, you always have narcissistic people around politicians. you always have people that really aren't important except for their title and the fact that they work for you. people do stupid things. we see this at companies, ceos, schools, you have administrators at colleges that do really dumb things. so from his perspective, as long as there season any link to him,

he fired the people that were idiots for doing this, he apologized and took responsibility for it it. i think this is going to go away in a couple months as long as he's not involved and i have no reason to believe he's involved and took the appropriate action. i don't think this is going to affect him if he decides to return for president. >> i disagree. this isn't just about innocence. there's a difference between innocent and not guilty. one is a legal determination and one is moral. if there's no formal link, people will say fine, he's off the hook. but other people will say we don't buy it it. we don't understand a culture in the administration that thinks this is okay. >> mark brings up a good point. they talked about being a family. what does it say about him as a manager about who he allows in

his inner circle? >> again, i think the people that are going to have the biggest problem with this are people who wouldn't vote for chris christie any way. look at the scandals that have been around the clinton family and yet they are doing just fine. hillary clinton, even with benghazi, she's still going to be just fine as a presidential candida candidate. that's something that was really serious and an ambassador died and there was a fake story put out. so if you look at what mark said in the beginning. democrats are going to use this politically to drag it on into the midterms and 2016. he nailed it. democrats are going to use this to try to hurt him. i don't think, though, with the average republican voter, which is what he's going to need if he makes it to primary, they are going to look at this anything else and say it was political in nature. >> so you skipped a step. he said if you e get out of the

primary. part of challenge of the primary is the calculous that voters have saying is this someone who can win a national election? we are not going to vote for him because we think this could be an issue of the future. >> let me ask you guys then. political insiders care. we care as journalists. do people outside the northeast and those who don't follow presidential politics really care about governors aids causing traffic jams? >> no, i don't think they do two years from now. i don't. look at it this way. even barack obama is surviving going after the american people, looking them in the eye, telling them a lie saying you could keep your doctor and your plan. he's even surviving that. that was something so personal. this is traffic. we're talking about traffic here. >> we know how traffic can

impact all our lives. now we're seeing it at a different level. mark, ben, appreciate you guys. thank thanks for joining. chances are you have an invisible passenger keeping tabs on you while you're driving. most don't even know it's there. it's collective personal data without the ability to control it. we'll talk about it straight ahead.

i have to apologize to our political kmcommentators. i said good-bye but we have more heated discussion. let's head to capitol hill. we have all heard people say that congress is out of touch. how many times have we talked about that? now we may actually know why. for the first time ever, more than half of all members are millionaires. we're talking 268 house members worth more than a million bucks according to to this new analysis according to the center for responsive politics. daryl iss a is worth $464 pl.

the bottom net worth is $12 million in the hole for farm loans. first off, that's a lot of money in farm loans. he's new too. >> that's a lot of land right there. >> he has time to make money though. he's brand new. first half, we found out at the end of the year that the 113th congress is the least popular and least productive ever. now look at all the millionaires. what does that tell us? mark? >> it tells us that we don't do a good job of electing people from the ground. also says they don't. have to work. they are not worried about this. if they lose their job, they will be just fine. imagine if they were as comfortable as half the people in congress. then i'm sure he can offer manufacture insight. >> go ahead. >> i'm just thrilled that i can finally look at mark and go, mark, when you criticize republicans as being the evil rich people, look at your own side of the aisle.

you've got so many millionaires over there it's not even funny. i do think on a serious note, these guys go to congress. somehow they double and quadruple their net worthwhile they are there. this is why, i think, for getting rid of all the rich democrats that happen to exist, folks, there are rich democrats in america, i think term limits is a positive thing. >> so mark, is this congress living in a different world? are they out of touch with the realities and problems facing the lower and middle classes? >> of course, they are. they are like, oh, you can't find a new job in 20 weeks in a bad market. i pound a job. i don't need a job. they have a different mentality and different world view because they have different realities that they face. for the record, ben, there's

nothing wrong with having millionaire democrats. they like paying taxes. that's the issue here. >> they love it, i'm sure. >> so ben, recruiting people who have a lot of personal wealth, do you avoid electing people who would be career politicians feeding at the public trough. bill clinton never had a job in the private sector until he left office. >> i don't have a problem with someone going out and making money. when you come to congress and you're able to somehow wow being a congressman build massive wealth, i'm going to throw up a stop sign and how are you able to make all this money if you're supposed to be working for us, the taxpayers. that's why i'm in favor of term limits which we don't have because they get there and continue to make insane amounts of money, which then makes them virtually impossible to beat because they have such cash on

hand because they are buying these elections. >> are people really out of touch because they are rich? >> i done think people are out of touch because they are rich. i think they are out of touch because they have a different ideology than one that reflects paying one's fair share. if you set term limits up, you're replacing one rich guy with another rich guy. we need to change the way campaign financing works. so that every day working class joes like me can be in congress. >> working class joes like mark. you guys, while i have you, none of us are millionaires. i got to ask you about the biggest scandal happening right now and that's forkgate.

bill biblaz owe used a fork. >> this goes back to what mark and i were just talking about. the guys that are out of touch. how can a guy that cuts his pizza really understand what the real new yorker on the subway is dealing with. e he has no clue what's going on because he's used to using silverware to eat pizza. come on. >> here's the deal though. when you fold the pizza, it gets all drippy and goes down the tie or dress or whatever you're wearing. >> that's what's good about new york. >> this guy has screwed up a lot for us. we were getting rid of the image of democrats being snoody liberals. this guy pulls out a knife and park to eat a pizza. this is a political scandal of the highest rank. >> you know what's going to happen next? this guy is going to come out with some crazy guy like making

big drinks smaller and making it you can only buy one piece of pizza at a time. he's going to have a crazy idea like you can't have a large coffee. wait, we already had a guy that did that. >> and he was not a democrat, sir. >> you can claim him though. i'll let you have him. we don't want him. >> it's always fun with you guys. i know the best place in new york, 99 cent slice pl we'll do a little folding of our own. >> you're buying? you're the one that's really got the money. >> i'm not the millionaire. i take you to the 99 cents a slice. have a great night. >> thanks. ahead, your car may be spying on you. yes, your car. soon it it may help the government draft your tax bill. we'll explain, next. ♪

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from surveillance cameras to hackers, the apps on your phone that seem harmless, it can be hard to escape the feeling that someone is tracking your every move. well, they are. and now your car is too. a recent government report found that your gps system is collecting information on you. then it it keeps that information for up to seven years. that's not all. if you have a car manufactured

since 1999 chances are there's an invisible passenger keeping tabs on you while you drive. it's a black box that works like a flight data recorder in airplanes and by september 1st, it it will be required in all vehicles. why? well, for one, the government might want to track you and tax you for every single mile you drive. >> people could use a smart phone. they could use on board navigation system. you could even have people deal with the mileage check when they go to the vehicle inspection unit every year. some people may just opt for a flat fee. that's the whole idea behind the pilot project is for people to explore the choices. they hope to roll out that program by 2015. good idea or breach of privacy?

this will be an interesting discussion. i can't seem to get rid of ben ferguson. we're bringing him back. also with me is brett larson. edward low is the editor in chief on the phone. and adrian moore, the vice president of the reason foundation. how valuable would this kind of data be to say insurance companies, retailers, cities that want to fix traffic problems, could your data be up for grabs and sold to the highest bidder? >> absolutely. data especially, our personal data is very valuable. you'd be surprised how much your e-mail address is worth, retailers to get your cell phone number. data like this is more valuable. especially to government agencies to cities that are looking for ways to maximize their tax revenue. looking for ways to say, okay, we get a lot of traffic through this area. why don't we bill the people who

are actually coming through this area. instead of putting in a toll road system instead of freeways, actually bill the people who are using it and we do have the technology to do that. granted, yes, you are being spied on. all the gas stations are going to know how many times are going by so you might see coupons showing up for the places you're passing. that data is going to be incredibly valuable. >> so e we should know that the congressman say that the pay by mileage plan would track how you drive, not where you go. depending on what you use, can that be promised? >> it can and it can't. it it depends on what they are getting out of the black boxes. our smart phones can already be accurate at telling the world where we are and where we have gone. there's been a the lot of discussion about this over the past couple months. especially in light of what the nsa knows about us. our smart phones have gpss in

them. they know i'm sitting at time warners center. and know where i came from. that kind of information is very valuable to retailers. it could also potentially be valuable to the government. >> and that is going to make a lot of people nervous. there they soon be standard in all new cars. they can't be switched off. should we be concerned? >> honestly, i don't think there -- as already mentioned, you have one of the most sophisticated monitoring e devices in your pocket with you right now. your smart phone, so much of the tracking you opt in for. twitter updates, four square, we're doing it already. and to be honest, the fears of government being able to utilize the big data that they could conceivably collect in our cars that they could figure out how to profit and utilize it in a

way that's scary, we're talking about the same government that couldn't get a health care website off the ground. that's a fairly basic operation. >> ben. does that scare you? >> he said a keyword. when the smart phone, you're opting in to checking in at these places. you as a consumer are choosing to actually say where you are. this box, i don't have a choice with. the other thing is i don't trust the government with this information. the government may not have been able to set up a website very well, but if a private sector industry says we'd love to help you figure out how to use this box so we can buy this information about where people go with their cars, where they drive, and by the way, you'll be able to make a ton of money off these people by taxing these areas where they drive a lot, that to me is incredibly creepy and the main thing is i don't trust the government to not

abuse that power or sell it to make money off of it it. someone wants to pay me to put a black box many my car for their own reasons, send me a check. we'll talk. but the government shouldn't have a right to that many my car without me making money off of it. >> adrian, you have been involved with some of the pilot programs that are currently testing the pay by mileage tax. what are your thoughts on this? is this a situation where could the police be called if they are tracking how you're driving if you're drunk or in colorado and you're high or you're speeding? >> well, this is a weird blend of both sort of the next wave of how to pay for transportation and creepy and scary. and it all depends on who is in control. if the government is mandating these things and they are putting it in without customers' con sens and forcing auto makers to do it, it's one kettle of fish. it's another thing, as ben said, someone is offering to do this

or there's some kind of deal being made. there's a bunch of states that are experimenting with this at different levels. several states have done pilot projects. they are talking about having the federal government team up with states to do some bigger pilot projects. it's still very much in the pilot project phase. all these states have, permitted with like congressman said no technology options, little bit of technology options and then the more scary gps tracking you kind of technology options. you get to choose in the pilots we have had so far. i think that's the way we want it to stay because the gas tax has to be replaced. every time cars get more fuel efficient, wealthier people pay less for the roads and poor people pay more for the roads. there's not enough -- we're not paying for the miles we use and we're paying for it in a more

regressive way. >> we'll be tracking the tracking program for sure. i'm finally saying good-bye to you. gentlemen, thank you very much. >> thank you. he weighed just 100 pounds and suffered from schizophrenia, but it it didn't stop police from killing a teen. >> did that officer yell for help or ask for someone to shoot this man? >> no, sir. >> then why did the detective feel like he needed to use deadly force? >> coming up next, why a lawyer for the accused officer says his client was simply following police protocol. [ coughs, sneezes ] i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest.

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a 33-year-old texas woman is at the center of a life and death debate. the body is being kept on life support after her family says she was declared brain dead. her husband says she wouldn't want to be kept alive by any medical technology. but state law requires her body

be sustained because she's 3 nearly 20 weeks pregnant. more now from . >> reporter: the couple expecting their second child when it happened. she collapse d in her home of a apparent blood clot in her lung. the family got devastating news shortly after. they say doctors told them she was brain dead and would never recover. her body is now connected to a ventilator inside this fort worth, texas, hospital, despite her family's wishes. >> we reached a point where you wish that your wife's body would stop. >> the hospital refused to unplug the ventilators because she's pregnant. and texas is a state that says they cannot be disconnected from life support if if they are pregnant regardless of the

family's directive. had end of life issues is something they talked about often. >> we have seen things out in the field. we both knew that we didn't want to be on life support. >> reporter: officials here in fort worth will not say if she is brain dead, but in a statement hospital officials did say that the hospital will follow the law as it it applies to health care in the state of texas and that every day we have patients and families who must make difficult decisions. our position remains the same. . we will follow the law. >> i think they got it wrong. >> reporter: tom was one of the advisers who helped write this law 15 years ago and was signed by then governor george bush. if she is brain dead, then the hospital has the law all wrong. >> if she's brain dead, she's already dead. so letting her die isn't really the concept. but can you say take her off the

ventilator? i believe he can. surrogate decision makers make those kinds of decisions with their doctors every day. >> reporter: she was 14 weeks pregnant when she collapsed. the fetus is now almost 20 weeks. the family says the fetus still has a heartbeat but it's not clear if it can even survive. in the meantime, eric has to standby and watch his wife trapped in a position he says she never. ed to be in. >> i can't say enough about her. everything i do will be short of what she was. i can't do her justice. she's a great woman. >> joining me to discuss, holly hughes and psychologist jeff gardeer. so she never signed an official document. she just said i don't want to be kept alive like that. even. if she had signed the paperwork, the law would still override that? >> it absolutely would override. you're talking about an advanced

directive where ahead of time, somebody sits down and says if i'm ever in this situation, these are my wishes. . in texas it would not matter because the law says you cannot take away life-sustaining capables from the fetus and that's what complicates the situation. >> they are saying she's brain dead but texas is saying she's not. the words between brain dead and dead. >> it's semantics at this point and unfortunately this family is caught in the middle of so many medical ethicists who say that the law would not hold up here, because the woman is considered dead, so how does the unborn child have an impact here? >> well, there is also an unethical rule that many states follow which is that parents cannot withhold life or limb saving treatment from a child, and in this case, it is an unborn child and what they are trying to do is to keep her body alive in order for the fetus to

continue to grow, but the problem of course is now that we have to look at burdens versus benefits for the unborn child. and once the child is born, will that child have all sorts of developmental or physical, mental issues? so this is really a conundrum here. people really don't know what to do, but they are hoping that the baby will be fine. >> all right. jeff, and holly, another case that i want to talk to you about now, and this one in north carolina, that teen shot and killed by a police officer, and his funeral to today. the family called police saying they needed help with their son who is mentally ill, but when the officers could not restrain him, a third officer walked into the door and shot him. the family says there is no justification for the killing, because he is 18 years old and weighing 100 pound, and so, holly, was force justified? you have two officers and a third one walks in and how can three officers not restrain a

schizophrenic young man 100 pound sths. >> well, kyra, when somebody is mentally ill, they have this sometimes extraordinary capability to fight. they have restraint that is not normally found. what we failed to mention in the lead-in is that when the family called they said that he was armed with a screwdriver and threatening his mother. so when the officers arrived, there was a screwdriver involved and the detective who did the shooting is go oing to be running into a problem, because he gave inconsistent statements. initially, he said he fired the shot to protect himself from the young man with the screwdriver, but on the follow up, he said that he did it to the protect another officer, and those inconsistencies may trip him up. and force may have been justified if other officers say, yes an attack was going on and an officer's life was in dang e. >> and jeff, following up on this teenager with schizophrenia

and likely that he had the strength and that happened with the, that it happens with someone who is mentally ill like that, that they can be so out of control that three officers cannot restrain them? >> well, anybody in a rage can be out of control, and because of adrenaline have enhanced strength, but we should point out that schizophrenics are not known for violence, and the e real issue here is that you have three different police officers from three different departments, and two of the initial police departments knew that the young man had schizophrenia, and they knew how the deal with it, but it was the third officer who seems to have not known anything about this young man, and may have been somehow too fearful with this. i don't think that he handled it well at all, and this young man may have been shot for in reason, and killed for no reason at all. >> and jeff and holly, ahead, a video that has america talking, aed to already in tydip diapers

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so it is the video that has gone viral and everybody is talking about it, the toddler cussing and using racial slurs and flipping the finger, but i want to warn you that it is disturbing to see what is go g

ing on here, but you have to see it. >> [ bleep ], and you are a [ bleep ]. >> you are a [ bleep ] -- stop. >> you throwing a fit. [ bleep ]. >> [ bleep ]. >> [ bleep ]. >> you ain't talking that [ bleep ] now. >> say, [ bleep ]. >> [ bleep ]. >> that is why you can't fight. >> you a [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> you a [ bleep ]. >> you a [ bleep ]. >> and you are a [ bleep ]. >> as a mother, it makes my sick to my stomach, and with we are finding out that the mother of the child is 16 years old, and this is what she says and the video. >> they weren't worried about the video, because he had a clean diaper, and every kid cusses, and he is a smart little boy, an all of the cuss iing, h does not do that and the only other person does that and my son does not cuss like that, and i won't allow it. >> and you heard the mom, every kid does it, and you are a

psychologist, and a doctor, and what d you think of that? >> well, it is my experience as a psychologist and a doctor that every child does not cuss. yes, some children who do, but perhaps it is a precocious child or in this case, a child that has been coached. i am sure that it is a very intelligent child, and she is defending her child as any mother would do, but she is in denial as to what has been going on with her child and how he is being influenced by others. >> well, she and her son are in protective custody by the way. and holly, this was posted online be by the police in what they call thug culture and what it can do to the children. was that appropriate what they did? >> no, i am in total dising a e greem -- disagreement, because this was post ed ed by a knuckle-hea teenaged kid who was a friend of the mom's bro e theshgs and just because he posted it on facebook, does not mean that the police union needs to the imitate his bad behavior and put this child's face out there

unblurred, out there for the world to see. if they wanted to the comment on it, kyra, okay, we saw it on the youtube or on facebook, this awful video where the toddler was saying this, this, this, and this is how it begins, and this is how we perpetuate thuggery. and you do not put that little face out there because it is on facebook. >> but if it had not been released that 2-year-old child -- and i mean, it has everybody talking. >> absolutely. i am not condoning what happened in the house, and start with the fact that the mother is 16, and so she is obviously not living in her own home, and she is living with other people who are having a bad influence. and the police should have absolutely been called, and that is not the point. they should have intervened and child services should have ca called and there should have been an investigation, and all of that is fine, but for the police union to post it instead of writing an article on it and put ping a comment on it, that

is bad behavior. >> on the note of the child, jeff, the child is 2 years old and can he get into the good home and be okay, and forget all of this? i mean, is he young enough to block all of this out? >> well, it is vitally important that the child and the mother get help. she is a child herself, and i believe that is starting to happen. holly is absolutely correct, the police union was disgraceful by doing this, and they are race-baiting, and it is absolutely wrong. we need to help the child help the mother, and not instill fear within the community the. >> and help that child, amen to that. and jeff and holly, thank you so muc much. >> thank you. >> thank you. and your "cnn newsroom," and i'm kyra phillips and hundreds of thousands of people are desperate for answers as officials say it is going to be daef