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i've got just the man for that. dave ramsey will be here answering your questions about saving for retirement and avoiding the top money mistakes. that's live tomorrow night. that's all for us tonight. good evening, everyone. tonight, new, up-close video of that san francisco plane crash reveals that first responders didn't give a survivor a second thought until her tragic, accidental and totally avoidable death. that's actually her on the ground. we're "keeping them honest" tonight. plus, a woman who said she had an earlier run-in with the killer in the movie theater and his claim of self-defense. later, whether you get it by prescription or over the counter, new recommendations about painkillers containing acetaminophen. the information could save you from potentially deadly complications. we begin tonight "keeping them honest" with a unique window into the fiery moments after an airliner went down.
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until you lived through it or do rescue work for a living, you'll never get closer than this, thank goodness. these images were taken immediately after the asiana flight 214 crashed on approach to san francisco international airport, captured by a first responder's helmet cam and a robot-mounted camera. they show nearly everything, including one truly horrifying item, a young woman who survived the crash but did not survive the rescue. drew griffin tonight is "keeping them honest." >> look at that one. >> reporter: it was a dramatic crash caught on tape, a tumbling asiana airline boeing 777 crashing at san francisco's international airport last july. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: but it would be this video emerging only now, months after the crash, that is becoming the most disturbing of all. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, stop, stop, stop! there's a body right -- there's a body right there, right in front of you. >> reporter: a body right in front of airport rescue truck
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number 10, this body. and according to the san francisco medical examiner, it was, in fact, a living body, ignored by firefighters who failed to check. 16-year-old ye meng yuan had somehow escaped her seat in row 41 of the aircraft, apparently walked or was carried from this escape slide and came to rest here, lying in a fetal position but alive. and as you can see in this emergency vehicle camera, firefighters walk around her, passed by her, even directed a fire truck past her and not a single firefighter checking her pulse or even seeing if she was breathing. >> it's unthinkable. it's unimaginable, because the first thing that -- the first priority of the firefighters, any rescue personnel, is saving lives, and the first step in triage is to take the pulse, check the respiration. that was never done. and the video, which i think is the best evidence of what
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happened, shows at least five firefighters who saw her, who understood she was there, and none of them did the basic step of checking if she was alive. >> reporter: attorney justin green, who represents the ye family, has filed a claim against the city of san francisco based on reports from the fire department, the city and the ntsb, but mostly based on this video evidence. according to the claim, rescuers "breached their duty of care toe mention yuan and were grossly negligent." the video is from a firefighting phone truck that pulled up moments after the crash. there doesn't seem to be any confusion and at one point, a firefighter leaves the vehicle to guide the truck around ye's body. this is a firefighter with his hand up. this is her. >> that's right. >> he's saying -- >> there is a person. >> -- there is a body there. >> reporter: a warning made all the more clear in a helmet
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camera on one of the firefighters. >> there's a body right there. >> all right. >> right in front of you. >> reporter: according to the claim, firefighters notify a lieutenant but are told to move on. in the video, that is just what truck number 10 does. as fuel leaks from the left wing, unit 10 sprays foam on the ground. minutes later, as smoke begins to emerge from the fuselage, unit 10 circles to move into position, apparently ignoring or forgetting the body on the ground. and at this moment, right here, the fire truck rolls over ye meng yuan's head and she is killed. >> the tire of the truck went right over her head. >> reporter: it would only get worse. the complaint alleges a firefighter arriving late to the scene jumped in another rescue vehicle, number 37, a rescue vehicle not equipped with any infrared device to identify living bodies and without any spotter, "maneuvered into the area where ye meng yuan was located" and again rolls over her body. >> that's right, two --
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>> she's run over twice. >> she's run over twice by two different trucks. >> i can't imagine what the parents think. >> well, the parents, i mean, part of what you have to understand, too, is in china, they're really only supposed to have one child. this was the family's only child, a girl who was a star student, who was the focus of their lives. everything that they did was poured into this girl and her future, and that was taken away because of some terrible mistakes and inaction by the firefighters. >> reporter: ye meng yuan was coming to the u.s. for summer camp, described as an outstanding student, musician and a class leader, who dreamed of becoming a television newscaster. >> i particularly want to express our condolences and apologies to the family of ye meng yuan. >> reporter: last july, after it was determined rescue vehicles killed ye, the san francisco fire chief apologized profusely. the explanation then was of a
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chaotic rescue scene and foam covering ye's body. the video now being released shows a much different picture, and the city of san francisco and its fire department have now declined comment, citing pending litigation. ye family remains in china waiting to find out what, if anything, can explain why their daughter is dead. >> that's just horrible. drew griffin joins us now. two other young people died, chinese students. they weren't run over, though. >> no. there was rumors that that did happen early on, but no. one of ye's friends, 16 years old, was ejected. that's what killed her. the other a student, another student from china, head injuries during the crash and died a few days later in the hospital. >> and in terms of the fire department, they're saying they're just apologetic. i mean, they just said this was -- >> well, they were apologetic when the report came out, and this was early on, that the truck ran over and killed ye. they have not responded at all
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since this claim was filed. this claim is, you know, the precursor to a lawsuit for the city -- >> and it's not from -- they want more than money, right? >> this is a claim that will lead to either a monetary settlement or a lawsuit they are seeking. they are seeking money. but they also want to send out a warning, which sounds so basic. check the body. don't just look at a body at a rescue or crash scene, check it, hold it, check the pulse. it seems so rudimentary, but it didn't happen here, anderson. >> drew griffin, appreciate the update. thanks very much. digging deeper with legal analyst jeffrey toobin, former prosecutor, mark geragos, criminal defense attorney. jeff, obviously, even though the video doesn't look very chaotic, it is, you know, a chaotic scene. what do you make of this? i mean, i give a lot of leeway always to firefighters and first responders. it's difficult. they are certainly usually very well trained. is it possible they were more concerned about other people on the flight, that there were mass casualties? >> absolutely. you know, look, no one can doubt
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the horrible pain that this family is going through, and i don't want to minimize that at all, but let's remember how this story is coming out. it's coming out from personal injury lawyers who want to extract a great deal of money from the taxpayers of san francisco. and this is a complicated situation where the chronology is very important, and you know, we're not talking about a traffic accident where there is one body on the floor, and of course, firefighters should check that. we're looking at a situation where firefighters are potentially looking at hundreds of casualties and are trying to deal with that. so, you know, this is a tragedy, you know. whether it is a lawsuit that's deserving many millions of dollars i think is a very different question. >> mark, how hard is it in this case to sue a city for this kind of an incident? >> look, it's not going to be particularly difficult, and i
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will tell you why. this is -- there is a good samaritan or a rule in the statute here in the health and safety code that gives immunity to firefighters or first responders when they are in the course of what they're doing. however, the exception -- and you saw it in that claim -- it's what's called a 910 claim -- when they are grossly negligent, that immunity washes away. this couldn't be a more textbook case of grossly negligent, and i take exception, surprisingly, with jeff. this isn't a personal injury lawyer trying to extract millions. this is -- we're watching -- unless jeff's saying that this video was photo-shopped by somebody, this is a video in realtime of people who were grossly negligent in not checking to see if she had a pulse, number one, and number two, not having her run over. so, i mean, that's the
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definition of gross negligence. >> mark, is it -- >> look, i love firefighters. my office is in a historic fire engine place. i've got nothing but love for firefighters, but this is the definition of gross negligence. >> jeff, do you see it that way? >> no, i don't. i mean, i would -- look, for example, i mean, the chronology is important here, and these -- and you know, because we're dealing with television here, we have a limited amount of time. you know, i would want to see how all of those tapes go together. you know, first, the foam was not on the ground, then it's on the ground. look, i don't think it is anything but tragic that this child died, but let's remember who killed this child. it's the incompetent pilots at asiana who couldn't land on a clear day. that's who's responsible here. >> and in fact, the idea -- >> jeff, let me -- >> mark, hold on, before you do, the investigation subsequently of this crash showed that cultural differences and cultural issues within the cockpit, that the pilot, you know, was concerned about glare off of the runway but didn't
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want to wear sunglasses because he thought it would be offensive to his other fellow pilots, and he didn't want to express his concern about landing because he thought that would be bad and embarrassing in front of the instructor in the cockpit. i mean, those things i find stunning. the first responders, you know, responding to an emergency situation and overlooking someone, you think that's worse than the pilots? mark? >> do i think it's worse than the pilot? >> yeah, do you think that should be the focus of a lawsuit? >> negligent? >> no, the lawsuit -- let me tell you what's going to happen as a practical matter. the 910 claim that was filed will be denied. that means you can then file the lawsuit. the lawsuit will be filed against asiana and it will be filed against the city of san francisco and probably a couple of other entities. they're going to settle this case. this case will never go to trial. and they will fight it out amongst themselves, the insurance company for the
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airline and the municipality. and i think san francisco is self-insured, and this case will get settled. and the way that all civil cases get settled, it's a fight about money. unfortunately, that's how you get justice in a case like this, and the civil justice system, it's a fight about money. >> jeff, do you agree as well? >> i certainly agree with that. this is likely to be settled. but to create this image of the firefighters as incompetent villains here based on a tape that's been edited, as i understand it, by the plaintiffs' lawyers here. i mean, i think it's important to reserve judgment. and for mark to say this is obviously gross negligence, and maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but i'm not convinced by what i've seen here. >> all right. >> jeff, if you've got a body on the ground and you've got people standing there and a truck runs over the head of the woman, killing her, i don't know, jeff, how more basic 101, torts 101 you can get. that's the definition of gross negligence. >> i'm told, by the way, that
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the san francisco police department just released the same video -- excuse me, the fire department just released the same video. so, whether or not -- we don't know for sure that the attorney is the one who was editing this. >> fair enough. >> jeff, mark geragos, appreciate your perspectives, as always. you can see more of the crash story and video by going to cnn.com. let us know what you think. follow me on twitte twitter @andersoncooper. do you think this was gross negligence or do you say give the firefighters a break? tweet #ac360. up next, mark is back along with sunny hostin talking about the movie theater killer's self-defense claim and will it stand up in court. later, are we too quick to write chris christie's political obituary? some pundits are saying he's done. new polls on what voters think about the bridge scandal and how he'd do in a contest with hillary clinton.
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welcome back. part of being human, of course, is putting yourself in someone else's shoes, seeing someone's story and thinking, hey, look, that might have been me. there's empathy, though, and then there's what one florida couple experienced after they heard what curtis reeves had done on monday, when they heard he had shot and killed a man and wounded his wife during a movie confrontation over texting, they had the best possible reason for thinking it might have been them. it actually might have been. they say they had a prior run-in with reeves, also at the movies, also over texting. jermyra dixon told a local cnn affiliate what happened when she first heard about the shooting. >> i had to pull over the car, becau because, um -- it could have been us. he gets up, he's like, "can you do me a favor, can you please just stop texting!"
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it was just so close to home, you know? it really makes you think how things could have went. >> well, sadly, another confrontation with curtis reeves would be fatal for chad oulson and would send him and his wife, nicole, to the hospital. martin savidge is joining us now with the latest. you've learned about the dixons. what can you tell us? >> reporter: they spent about an hour recounting with authorities what you played there, jamira dixon and her husband, michael, and four children were at a movie on the 28th of december, and that's when they noticed reeves, curtis reeves. and it stands out really in her mind because he was so bothered, he was so distracted, he was so upset, apparently, by her texting, but she said by other things, noises in the theater, the chairs, kids kicking the backs of seats, the things that happen in movie theaters. and so, he really stands out in her mind. and so, when she saw his photo eventually, she said she was sick to her stomach because she knew that man, she remembered
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that man. then she was in fear he might have had a gun then, and as you point out, what could have happened. and this really has disturbed the neighborhood, too, because it sets up the what-if. what if somebody else had noticed? what if she had reported to management her discomfort in all this? could this all have been prevented? it's those terrible things that adds to the tragedy. >> in terms of what actually happened inside that theater, do we know for sure, did this former police officer go up and get a manager and then come back and that's when the shooting occurred? >> reporter: well, you know, that is sort of some of the conjecture that came out in the early moments of this investigation, and by what witnesses said inside. it's a matinee, it's midday, 1:20 in the afternoon, 25 people inside that theater, and we realize that oulson and reeves are having this altercation, apparently over oulson texting to the babysitter of his daughter. and at one point, we know that reeves gets up and leaves the theater. many thought he went to go see the manager. he did go see the manager, but the manager was with somebody else. reeves never got to complain.
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reeves never got to tell the manager. he comes back to the theater, and that's why witnesses say he appeared more agitated than when he left, maybe because he was not able to resolve it with the management, and we know how it escalated, turning to gunfire. >> and this was during the previews. the movie hadn't even begun yet. a layoff people are still using cell phones and things like that during previews. martin, appreciate the update. equal justice tonight, let's talk about reeves' claim that he killed this man and wounded his wife in self-defense, whether that's a legally viable courtroom strategy. if not, is there any viable strategy for this shooting? former prosecutor sunny hostin and back with us, criminal defense attorney mark geragos. mark, how do you mount a defense in this? would you go for a stand your ground defense? >> well, you really have to know the facts. i know that you had that package at the beginning of this and you have somebody who says, oh, he did it to me before. having been in cases where there's publicity and people come out of the woodwork saying,
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oh, this happened to me, and everything else. first thing you're going to do is try and determine, is that a true and accurate rendition of what really happened. then, before you do stand your ground or anything else, you have to just do a parallel investigation and determine what actually happened. i mean, we don't know. we know what's been reported so far. notoriously, this is stuff that is leaked by law enforcement to kind of buttress their case. until we get an idea of what actually happened, and the defense lawyer mounts a defense, i think it's somewhat premature to start saying he was doing it over texting or anything else. i mean, it just -- at first blush, it sounds too crazy. and usually when it sounds too crazy, it's because it is. >> sunny, i mean, all good points that mark makes about being wary about the initial reporting on these kinds of things. in an incident like this, often it's wrong. there are initial reports that a bag of popcorn was thrown, and that's what precipitated the shooting. >> yeah, you know, mark sort of is that quintessential defense
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attorney that's saying we don't really know what happened. i think we know what happened. we have one incident where he yells at someone about texting and then we have another incident where he shoots someone after texting. and i bet my bottom dollar that mark geragos, you would use the stand your ground defense in this case. this is florida, after all. this is zimmerman land. and i suspect they are going to use the stand your ground case because they're going to argue that this 71-year-old was in fear of imminent danger, great bodily injury or death because he's got sort of this young, athletic guy attacking him. that's what's going to happen here. and it just goes to show you what the law is in florida. >> well, sunny, sunny -- >> you know you'd do it, mark. >> mark, in a darkened movie theater -- >> i want to make sure that sunny doesn't bet her bottom dollar, because remember, anderson, sunny was going to bet the house that george zimmerman was going to be convicted. >> here we go. >> so, her prognostication skills leave something to be desired. >> mark, if you're in a darkened
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theater in florida and someone throws popcorn at you, can you theoretically argue that you were in fear of your life, that you have a justifiable reason to shoot somebody? if you say you didn't know it was popcorn, just an object was thrown? >> no. and the idea that somebody is -- some defense lawyer is going to base a defense on that is ludicrous. >> i've seen -- [ laughter ] >> but i will tell you, i will tell you that generally, my experience, having, you know, seen these cases over 30 years, what first gets reported and what first gets leaked is always by law enforcement, and in virtually 90% of the cases, it's not actually what happened. >> there were witnesses! there were witnesses. >> so, i just reserve judgment before we start saying this is some guy who goes to the theater with his gun and somebody throws popcorn on him or they text and he decides to shoot him. >> that's exactly what happened. >> i find that -- i'm a little skeptical about that. >> we do know that the alleged shooter is a former police kamt. how do you think that plays,
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sunny, in a case like this? >> you know, i think it could cut both ways. i think if you're the prosecution, you're going to argue, this is not a stand your ground defense because this is someone trained in assessing a threat. and so, for him to argue that, you know, he was feeling threatened by the bag of popcorn doesn't make any sense. he's being disingenuous. but on the other hand, a defense attorney like mr. mark geragos is going to argue, yes, he is trained in threat assessment and he did assess this as threatening. we don't really know what happened because we weren't really there and we should trust the judgment of this 71-year-old former law enforcement officer, and i bet my bottom dollar again, mark geragos, if that's one of the arguments that we're going to hear, because we already heard it at the bond hearing. >> sunny, save the tape because i'm going to bet you, i'm going to bet you right now that they are not going to base their defense in front of a jury that he thought he was being assaulted by popcorn. i just -- it's ludicrous. >> he thought he was being
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attacked. >> unless he has a death wish. not by a bag of popcorn. >> he didn't know what it was. >> if he said he was being attacked, it was because it was not the bag of popcorn, because no lawyer, self-respecting lawyer is going to make that argument. >> i'll take that bet. >> all right. we'll leave it there. sunny hostin, mark geragos, you can settle your wager afterwards. we don't like to encourage betting on the air. earlier tonight, we spoke with a close family friend of the shooting victims, chad and nicole oulson. he set up a fund on facebook, the chad oulson family fund. we'll put that on the bottom of our screen and ac360.com to help raise money for nicole and their young daughter, lexi. you can find more information at ac360.com. up next tonight, despite predictions that his political career is over by a lot of tv pundits, governor chris christie may be surviving the george washington bridge scandal after all. we'll look at the newest polls. also ahead, possible new developments in the case of madeleine mccann, little british girl who disappeared nearly seven years ago while on vacation with her family in portugal.
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a special committee created by new jersey state assembly to investigate the george washington bridge scandal begins its work tomorrow armed with subpoena power, and we've learned the first subpoenas are already in the works. former top aide to governor chris christie is expected to receive one. she's bridget anne kelly, you probably know her name by now, fired by christie last week after documents appeared to show that she and others ordered the closing of access lanes to the bridge in september, allegedly because the democratic mayor of ft. lee, new jersey, refused to endorse christie for re-election. now, the lane closings caused massive traffic tie-ups for four days. kelly has apparently gone into hiding, but investigators, no doubt, want to know everything
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she knows, including whether or not christie was aware of the scheme. he denies any knowledge, and so far, polls indicate he's surviving the scandal quite well. an nbc news/marist poll shows that 68% of those surveyed nationwide say their opinion of christie has not changed. 46% saying he's mostly telling the truth compared to 32% who say he's not. and a quinnipiac poll of new jersey voters say 40% think christie's a bully, 54% think he's a leader, though his approval rating in the state has fallen. more from john king. john, looking at the polls, seems like people are giving christie the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the bridge controversy. >> he just won a landslide re-election two months ago, remember that. so, the people of new jersey like him, most of them trust him, even people who don't vote for chris christie believe he is a straight shooter, so they believe him for now when he says he had no involvement, but you can find some chinks in the armor, if you look at this poll, and we're just starting this investigation, so governor
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christie has not had a trap door open underneath him, but now is the tricky part. a special prosecutor named today, subpoenas to be issued tomorrow, so we're in the early chapter here. >> his approval ratings have taken a little fall, but they're still high as far as approval ratings go. >> you're talking to a reporter who works in washington. the president's numbers for approval are in the 40s. it's hard when you ask people if they approve of the job of congress, sometimes in the single digits or low teens. so, when it comes to nationally the way people view politicians right now, christie looks relatively strong. again, though, one of the caveats there, those state democrats who after the election were in sort of a kiss-the-ring mood are more emboldened to challenge the governor, so we'll see if this lasts. >> there's this latest nbc/marist poll that shows he's lost ground in a hypothetical matchup against hillary clinton in 2016. he trailed her i think by three points last month, now down 13 points. does a poll like this -- i mean, it's so far from the election, does it even matter? >> in some ways, it's silly season to look at polls now and try to project to what the american people will want when
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they next pick a president in 2016. however, however, it does add into what i'll call the pause that affects governor christie right now. there's nobody running for governor christie. any fund-raiser or activist in the country inclined to support christie, we have no evidence in our polling, whether it's iowa, south carolina, nationally here in washington among fund-raisers of people running away, but some said they'll take a step back, wait and see if another shoe drops. and if they start seeing polls, well, he was ahead or tied with hillary clinton a couple weeks ago and is now behind her, that could create the impression he's back on his heels, could be in trouble, could make some fund-raisers step back a bit. remember, he's trying to raise a lot of money for republicans in 2014 and then for himself heading into 2016. there could be a bit of a pause, a bit of a delay, so he doesn't want a slew of bad numbers to come out in the coming months because one of the things he wants to prove, raising a lot of money beginning this week in florida, is that he can put all this behind him. >> john, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> well, there's a lot more happening tonight. susan hendricks has a "360
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bulletin." anderson, the pentagon is studying what's apparently a new video of the only american who is currently a prisoner of war, sergeant bowe bergdahl was seized in afghanistan in 2009 and is believed to be in pakistan held by the taliban. this is video that was released three years ago, the last time he was seen. a senate report released today concludes that the deadly attack on the u.s. diplomatic compound in benghazi, libya, was "likely preventible." it says the state department should have increased security due to warnings that american personnel were at risk. well, today, the house overwhelmingly approved the $1 trillion compromise spending bill that funds the government through september. it now goes to the senate, where it is expected to be passed. and apple has agreed to refund millions of dollars to a lot of angry parents. that's because kids were allowed to make purchases while playing game apps such as cat bed hotel and tiny zoo friends without their parents' consent. the government says apple failed to have protections in place to prevent kids from making those purchases without parental
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consent. >> all right, susan, thanks. just ahead, the new developments in the madeleine mccann case. could a break in the 7-year-old mystery be coming soon? also, new details about the 12-year-old who opened fire inside his middle school gym, what he may have told some of the other students.
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welcome back. tonight we're waiting for word on whether any arrests may be imminent in the case of madeleine mccann, the little girl who vanished nearly seven years ago during a family vacation in portugal. she was just days shy of her 4th birthday. what we know tonight is that british authorities have asked portugal for permission to conduct interviews in connection with her disappearance. british police reopened the case last year and are still chasing
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down hundreds of leads, we're told. there's some reports that madeleine's disappearance may be connected to a surge of burglaries in the area where her family was staying, including two break-ins just 17 days before she vanished. madeleine's parents have never given up hope that they'll find her alive. our gary tuchman looks back at the last day they spent together. >> reporter: this is the last place 3-year-old madeleine mccann was seen alive, the ocean club resort in pariah dlueluise portugal. they spent the afternoon of may 3rd by the hotel pool. this exclusive video is the first we've seen inside the resort grounds. madeleine's mom, kate, says her little girl told her it was the best day she had ever had. this smiling picture would be the last taken of madeleine before she vanished just hours later. much of what the police know is still a mystery to us, in part because of a portuguese law that makes it illegal to talk about a current investigation, but details of that night have emerged and could hold the key to the case.
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through various reports, here's what we've learned. around 6:00 that evening, kate and gerry mccann say they took madeleine and their 2-year-old twins back to this apartment. according to police, what happened to madeleine after that last sighting is unknown. the mccanns say they put the three kids to bed around 7:30 in a room laid out like this one. close to 8:30, the parents say they left the children alone in the apartment to join a group of friends at a nearby tapas restaurant. >> i think it's quite similar to on a summer's evening at home eating in your garden while the children are in their bed. you know, it's that close. >> reporter: the restaurant is located within the resort. michael and susan cooper rented the unit right next door to where the mccanns stayed. the coopers don't know the mccanns but let us out on their balcony to see that the tapas bar is within eyesight of the apartment. but -- >> someone was crying inside this apartment, would you hear them at the restaurant? >> no. >> reporter: a waiter who served the table that night tells cnn the mccanns and their seven friends were not drinking as
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heavily as has been reported but did have some pints of beer cocktails and a few bottles of wine. at about 9:00, gerry mccann says he got up to check on the children and then returned to the table. some time after 9:15, one of the dinner guests who was checking on her own daughter says she saw a man walking away from the resort carrying a small child. the mccanns say it could have been the kidnapper, but police are questioning the woman's account. at around 9:30, one of the mccanns' friends came back to the apartment to check on the children but apparently just listened to the door. 30 minutes later, kate mccann herself went to see how her children were doing. she went inside the apartment and told police that madeleine was gone. the window to the bedroom open. this is what gerry mccann told his sister. >> he said that madeleine had been abducted. and they've been taken within a half hour, one of the children. >> reporter: kate mccann returned to the table screaming that madeleine had been taken. >> from the minute we discovered madeleine missing and the police
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were called very early on, we left with them almost immediately. >> reporter: police arrived and a team of detectives was assembled just before midnight. along with resort guests, authorities searched throughout the night. at that point, police believed madeleine had been kidnapped. they did not secure the apartment. >> we tried to do a strategic search from the right-hand side of the village across the street to the left. >> reporter: but there was no sign of missing madeleine. >> please, please, do not hurt her. please don't scare her. please tell us where to find her or put her in a place of safety and let somebody know where she is. we beg you to let madeleine come home. >> reporter: rumors have been rampant, their position,
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it's hard to know. elizabeth smart was kidnapped from her bedroom at age 14. yea months later, she was rescued and they were reunited. ed, these possible new leads in the case, i can't imagine how hard it must be for the mccanns to go through this kind of raising of hopes every couple of years. how does the parent of a missing child deal with something like that? >> well, you know, i think that to have something significant come on, it puts you into this kind of roller coaster mode, where you have this great hope that you're going to have something happen, because i believe that the not knowing is worse than anything else. and certainly, they've waited a number of years. and so, this could be very significant. i think, though, that they're being optimistically, you know,
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just taking it easy and not getting their hopes up too high, just because emotionally, it's this roller coaster that goes way up and then it can go way down. and so, to get your hopes up too high, you try to get to a point where you're not doing that too much. >> you've said in the past that parents immediately have a feeling that their child is either out there or not. i know you've spoken to the mccanns in the past. they've always thought madeleine was still out there somewhere. do you think -- i mean, is that what keeps them motivated? is that what keeps them going? >> absolutely. i believe that they still believe madeleine is out there and that they, you know, trying to keep momentum in the investigation going is something that's very difficult. so, keeping whatever awareness tools you can is so important to them and to any parent who has a missing child, but i believe that this is something that, you know, you get to the point, at least in our case, you know, we
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started getting positive feedback, and it was like there was some light at the end of the tunnel. this is one of those ah hah moments that, you know, i hope for them that it does turn out to be that way. >> you make the point also that the fact that both british and portuguese police are so cooperative, that's a positive sign for the parents. their involvement in keeping the case alive is critical. >> it is. you know, for law enforcement agencies to work together, that is absolutely critical. and you know, that's one thing that i believe here in the united states we've improved so much on. so, for them, i hope that law enforcement agencies are really working together, because obviously, it's critical in finding out whether these burglars have anything to do with this, but it certainly sounds somewhat hopeful to me. >> does -- i mean, as a parent, do you ever get to the point where you just want to know one
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way or the other, whether -- i mean, i've heard parents in the past say, look, i just want to know, i just want to know whether my child is alive or dead. i just want them to come back home one way or the other. >> i think that that is very important. the not knowing, as i said, is the worst thing out there, you know. certainly, if you know one way or the other, you can deal with it. in this state of limbo, you're just, your mind gets going, where is my child, what are they going through, what can i do? what can i do to help find them? and so, the not knowing i believe is the worst position a parent finds themselves in. so, for the mccanns, i hope that this is going to be a very positive tip. >> yeah, i think everybody hopes that as well. ed smart, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, anderson. >> hard to imagine.
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still ahead tonight, a statement from the parents of a 12-year-old boy who injured two students after opening fire in a middle school gym in new mexico. what they have to say, coming up. and also, a warning about a drug that's probably in your medicine cabinet right now, and it's in tylenol as well as a lot of other prescription drugs you probably don't even know about. how much tylenol is too much? i'll speak with dr. sanjay gupta.
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hey, welcome back. the fda throws a big red flag today, asking doctors to stop prescribing drugs that have more than 325 milligrams per dose of acetaminophen. it's one of the ingredients in powerful prescription painkillers like percocet and vicodin, but it's also in a lot of over-the-counter drugs like tylenol and others that you probably don't realize. taking too much can apparently
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cause liver failure, even death in some cases. the question we want to know is how much is safe to take and what's the best way to avoid trouble? chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins me. all right, sanjay, this fda recommendation, break it down for us. >> well, this is a message really for prescribers out there, doctors who are prescribing medications that may contain acetaminophen. people know of acetaminophen as the active ingredient in tylenol, but it's in lots of other medications as well, including prescription medicines. they're saying you should no longer prescribe and obviously patients shouldn't take medicationwise more than 325 milligrams of acetaminophen in it. this is something they've been talking about for a couple years. back in 2011, they said manufacturers, stop making the stuff with more than 325 milligrams in it. many manufacturers complied, but not all of them, so now they're going to the prescribers themselves and saying stop prescribing it. we don't think it offers any additional benefit and it could potentially cause some harm. >> i mean, how much is in, like,
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a tylenol? how much is in other products that people might be taking? do you know? >> well, there's regular strength, there's extra strength tylenol. and again, keep in mind, we're talking about prescription medications, but for over-the-counter tylenol, could be 250 milligrams, could be 500, some are even a full gram of tylenol. the magic number i will tell you is they say if you're taking over 4 grams of acetaminophen in a day, and that could be just a few extra strength tylenols, they say that's too much. that could potentially cause serious problems with your liver, causing the liver to actually start to fail and requiring, you know, more drastic medical measures. >> i mean, a lot of people, though, take products with acetaminophen without thinking there might be consequences after a night of drinking, say to prevent a hangover. is that something bad or somebody who has, you know, a shoulder, like i just had shoulder surgery and i've been taken one or two a day just to kind of deal with the pain. is that bad? >> so, here's what i would say.
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first of all, with regard to drinking, i think it's a bad idea to take acetaminophen if you've been drinking to try and prevent a hangover. that's a bad idea and people can write that one down. both alcohol and acetaminophen are both going to actually do a little bit of an insult to your liver. you just don't need that. if there are things you need to take for a headache or something, there are other options. the other important point is there are lots of different medications out there, cold medications, different medications that you don't think about as having acetaminophen in it. you may not read the ingredients, but if you start taking these different medications, all of a sudden, you're really upping the amount of acetaminophen that you're getting in any given day. if you're taking it for a sore shoulder or something like that, you could take it probably for a few days, but you don't need more than 325 milligrams at any given time. that's sort of the key that the fda is saying. >> all right, sanjay, appreciate the clarification. thanks. >> you got it. thank you. all right, let's get the latest on some other stories we're following. susan hendricks is here with the
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"360 bulletin." susan? anderson, police in roswell, new mexico, say the 12-year-old boy who opened fire inside of a middle school gym had a .20-gauge pump shotgun, which he sawed off himself and three shells. and a law enforcement source tells cnn's susan candiotti the shooter had a handwritten journal at home describing what he was planning what he wanted to do. the shooting yesterday left two students injured. in a statement, the 12-year-old shooter's parents and grandparents say their prayers are with the injured students and their whole family is heartbroken. in texas, a tarrant county judge will hear the case of the brain-dead pregnant woman kept on life support. the husband of marlise munoz has filed a motion asking the court to force a hospital to take her off a ventilator and respirator. erick munoz says his wife would not want to be be on those machines. and deputies in los angeles have seized hard drives holding security video from justin bieber's mansion. detectives are now looking at the video to see who threw eggs at the house next door, causing $20,000 in damage.
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justin bieber has not commented. and on the five-year anniversary of the miracle on the hudson plane landing, passengers were reunited with members of the ferry crew that rescued them. hero pilot captain sully sullenberger said everyone survived because of the efforts of the flight crew, rescuers and also first responders. and it's still amazing, anderson, to see that landing and see that video. >> i can't believe it was five years ago. >> i can't either. >> susan, thanks very much. coming up, new york is full of surprises, and some of them are downright terrifying. the "ridiculist" is next. the projects will be doneert in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me away. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
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time now for the "ridiculist." let's just take a moment to reflect on my hometown, new york city, which really is an amazing place to live, the museums, the theater, the energy of the city.it's all been well documented, but something you can say about new york, there's a surprise around every corner. i offer this film as proof on the sidewalks of new york city, and i warn you, there is a chance it may haunt you forever.
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♪ [ screaming ] ♪ [ screaming ] >> only in new york, people. you see, an unattended stroller and then get the life scared out of you by a devil baby. this is actually the most brilliant marketing campaign ever. the creative and possibly demented minds of thinkmoto rigged up a remote-controlled stroller with a demonic baby and sent it on a tour of the city while hidden cameras captured people's reactions. enjoy. ♪ [ screaming ] [ laughter ] >> that last shot there i think should be some sort of a welcome to new york campaign. that is a true new yorker,
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people. not a flinch, not the slightest reaction. he probably saw scarier things on his commute into work. so, the movie that this diabolical prank is promoting is called "devil's due," about a woman pregnant with the spawn of satan. so, i guess the whole thing's appropriate. thinkmoto did another marketing campaign for the remake of the movie "carrie" a few months back. that stunt took place in a west village coffee shop. >> just get away from me! just get away from me! get out of my way! >> oh, my god! >> all right, that would be pretty unsettling to see, no doubt about it, but i'm thinking it's slightly less terrifying than the demon baby. ♪ [ screaming ] >> why would they do this! >> oh, no! oh!
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wow. the vomit was a nice touch, wasn't it? didn't expect that one coming. goodnight from the city that never sleeps, and here's wishing you sweet dreams on the "ridiculist." hey, that's it for us. thanks for watching. thanks for watching. "early start" begins now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com called to testify, subpoenas could start flying in new jersey today as governor chris christie meets with voters for the first time since the bridgegate scandal brought down his key aides. inside a school shooting. this morning we are hearing dramatic, heartbreaking 911 calls from the new mexico middle school and new details of what was found inside the alleged gunman's home. dozens of air force officers are now off the job, suspended in a cheating scandal involving the nation's nuclear weapons. the air force p