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have a big night ahead. starting with breaking news, a 360 exclusive, the mayor of hoboken, new jersey already accused new jersey governor chris christie withholding super storm sandy relief money. she's already taken fire for saying what she has. she talked to federal investigators over the weekend. now only on this program, the mayor reveals documents that she says help back up her case. in a moment, can you see for yourself, decide for yourself, first dana bash on how we got here. >> it's an ultimatum of epic political proportions. support our development project or lose critical hurricane relief funding. chris christie's lieutenant govern calls it wholy and completely false. >> being a sandy victim myself makes the mayors allegations particularly offensive to me. >> dawn zimmer described a scene to candy crowley right out of a movie. saying that lieutenant governor kim guadagno approached her in a

parking lot last may threatening to withhold sandy money, unless the governor sported a plan in her town. >> she said this was a direct message from the governor. >> that is a direct tie to chris christie than any allegation so far in bridgegate, one the lieutenant governor says that the democratic mayor made up. >> mayor zimmer's version of our conversation in may 2013 is not only false but is illogical and does not withstand scrutiny when all of the facts are examined. >> a christie spokesman said, it's very clear partisan politics are at play here, as democratic players with the political axe to grind come out of the woodwork and try to get their faces on television. hoboken's mayor had publicly supported her republican governor in the past. zimmer provided private journal entries to cnn telling a different story.

she also gave the u.s. attorney investigating how sandy funds were used. zimmer wrote at the time of christie, i thought he was something different. this week i found out he's cut from the same corrupt cloth i had been fighting for the last four years. being something different is christie's political calling card. what drew hundreds of the country's wealthiest republican donors to florida this past weekend. sources who attended this past weekend. the way he's handled scandals so far, should make them more confident in him, not less. >> he said to those donors, if i ever put myself up for a national office, you and everyone have an absolute right to know how i deal with problems. lightning will strike. >> but he also privately announced he's putting any potential 2016 race for president on hold for a year. republican strategist ana navarro attended several florida events. >> talking to these billionaires, people who chris christie will need if he wants to run for president.

what's your sense of how they feel about all this? >> i think chris christie has taken the initiative, putting 2016 on pause. i think this buys some time for other potential candidates who may be deciding what they do. and not be at risk of losing donors and activists that commit to christie. >> so that was dana bash reporting. that's the backdrop, allegations along with the bridge scandal, reinforced the notion that political poison to chris christie, charge fair or not that he is a bully. in so far as the bridge story is concerned we should say the fact picture is far from complete. tonight, though, only on this program, the hoboken mayor, dawn zimmer joins us with what could be new evidence. i appreciate you buying with us, mayor. you sent a letter to governor christie on april 23rds that you provided us, we're showing it on the screen. asking for funding for pumps, to help the flooding problem in hoboken, i want to read part of what you said, you said to the governor, just as shore towns are not being asked for development in exchange for protecting from future storms,

the solution to hoboken's flooding challenges cannot be dependent on future development. this was sent before your meeting with the lieutenant governor, does this mean you felt pressure already about future development? >> various meetings that i had with our administration, i did feel that there was a lot of discussion about development. and i will say there wasn't -- in those meetings, it was not a direct connection made, but there was pressure, and so, i do think that while -- i think what's interesting about what the lieutenant governor said today is, she says that my -- it's illogical what i said, and when you look at the documents, you look at the letters, that i've written, can you see that it wasn't illogical at all. it's actually a progression leading up to something where they wanted to send me, give me a very direct message, because they felt i wasn't getting the message clearly enough, so she was sent in. >> people close to the

lieutenant governor, as you said, the lieutenant governor called the allegation complete. -- completely false. i want to read to you what a source close to the lieutenant governor said about your conversation. kim, meaning the lieutenant governor remembers in their conversation that she was talking about redevelopment and making investments in hoboken, meaning you. she remembers zimmer pressing kim for more money. and she remembers pressure for aid for sandy. she's saying it was you linking sandy and development are you saying this letter which is dated before this conversation disproves that? >> that's the first time i'm hearing that. i didn't realize that she -- she didn't actually say that directly today, but i mean this letter makes it clear that i was the one on april 23rd, sent them a letter, and very clearly said, you can't connect the two, and it's not fair to connect the two. and that was part of the conversation that we had. i said, you know, are you saying

after she said to me, you know, that you have to move ahead with the rockefeller project, i said, is any other town being asked to do development in exchange for help with the flooding? and her answer was, well, the shore brings in $38 billion. so she was the one connecting -- she very clearly was connecting the development with the sandy aid in our conversation. and i made it clear -- it's ironic she's saying that. when i sent a letter on april 23rd saying these two things are not connected and that's not fair. >> you're saying, you point blank said to her, is any other town being asked to link development to sandy aid? you made that linkage clear that was your interpretation of what she was say something. and she did not dispute it. >> she did not dispute it. she restated the fact that, i know it's not fair, these things shouldn't be connected but they are. that's in the journal entry that i gave to -- >> you're saying, these shouldn't be connected but they

are? >> yes. >> were those her exact words? >> that's what i recall, that's what i wrote at the time, i wrote the journal entry a few days after the meeting with her. >> also for the first time now, we're seeing another letter you sent that you provided us on may 8th to the governor saying you were stunned you weren't getting the funding requests. that's two days before you had the meeting with lieutenant governor. what is that second letter? what do you believe it shows? what do you believe it proves? >> back to her statement that it's all illogical, you look at all the events together, you can see it was a progression. it was a progression of pressure, and she was sent in to really make that final message to me on may 8th, there's a few important things that happened. on may 8th, there was a planning board decision, the planning board voted down the zoning that the rockefeller group wanted for their property. and on may 8th, we had severe flooding and the letter i sent to the governor showed pictures

of the severe flooding we had again in hoboken. and i -- i -- on may 8th, i sent a letter saying, that these things cannot be -- that we really need the funding and that basically i had received my office had received notice that we were not going to believe receiving funding, i was writing saying, i hope this is not the final decision, we really need help. that happens on wednesday may 8th. those things -- the planning board meeting, the letter to the governor saying, please, you know, we really need help. i'm hearing we're not going to get hazard mitigation funding, i hope that's not the case. >> do you believe the may 10th -- >> two days later, their office calls friday afternoon and says, we want to do a sandy business event on monday. i think at, like, 10:00 in the morning. the timing seemed strange.

we wanted to welcome the lieutenant governor. we had already gone the opening for at least a month before, but certainly wanted to welcome her. >> so you believe her coming down was in specifically in response to this letter of may 8? >> i do. i do believe it was related. i believe it was related. i think that she -- that event was created so that she could come and have the opportunity to make a very clear message to me. >> you've done two interviews i believe this weekend. you hadn't mentioned these letters before, why now? >> these letters were provided. these letters were provided to msnbc and i think steve may have -- steve may have brought them up in his show. >> conversation? >> yeah. there's a lot of information, there's a lot of documents, there's a lot of issues around the connection between the port authority and who funded the study, and the connection with david samson and wolff & samson.

i know it's complicated for the public to understand. but you know, in -- really the bottom line is, that week, that week of may 8th, that day, there was some important things that happened. and right after that time frame, when i send this letter saying, i can't believe this is really true, we're not going to get hazard funding. when the planning board voted down the zoning that the rockefeller group wanted, well then in -- the governor's -- the lieutenant governor's office calls on monday, they come, and she delivers a very clear message, because i think they felt i wasn't getting the message clearly enough. and they wanted to make it clear to me. >> i want to talk specifically about what she said to you. and your immediate reaction to it. we have to take a quick break, we're going to have more with the mayor of hoboken. let me know what you think. tweet us using #ac 360. the threat to turn the winter olympic games into a blood bath and the race to prevent one. russian authorities searching for a possible killer. we'll show you her picture and explain who she is, ahead. no matter how busy your morning you can always do something better for yourself.

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welcome back, we heard the mayor of hoboken, new jersey. before the break we were talking about the days leading up to the lieutenant governor's statement. the governor's office did not issue a specific statement, but they questioned the timing of this and they specifically pointed out your conversation was may 10th and the first letter is dated april 23rd and they question why this is coming out now saying you gave interviews before and this didn't come out. >> as far as these letters? >> yeah. >> i mean, these letters were provided to msnbc, and this is just further highlighting the progression, the pressure that i felt, and sort of connecting the dots, so to speak. when she's saying that its

illogical, it's like these letters, you know, they're further demonstration of what was happening and how it was really connected. but the bottom line is, the reason she came, and she said this to me. you know, i stand by my word. i mean -- >> when she said it to you, what was your immediate initial response? and your immediate. what was going through your mind? >> i couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe that she was saying what she was saying, i mean, and she very clearly said these things shouldn't be connected but they are. i know it's not right. and if you tell anyone i will deny it. >> she said that? >> yes. >> she said if you tell anybody i will deny it? >> this is not something you forget, when the lieutenant governor of the state of new jersey tells you in a parking lot, if you tell anyone i will deny it. and i was very upset and i did a journal entry a few days later.

>> she said this came directly from christie? >> she said that this is a project -- yeah, she said that the rockefeller project is very important to the governor. i was with him on friday night. i don't know all the details. i started to explain some challenges i'm facing on the ground. i want to move the process forward. that's the challenge here is that there -- again and again i have found myself in meetings explaining to the christie administration, listen, we all got to be careful here. we can't have a conversation about what the plan is for the rockefeller group, because it hasn't been designated, it's my job as the mayor of hoboken to follow that redevelopment law. the mayor and the city council as the redevelopment agency, we are the ones responsible for implementing that law. >> so when you see the lieutenant governor in a press conference now saying point-blank your memory -- your recollection of this

conversation is offensive, is completely inaccurate and as a victim of sandy she's offended, you're saying she's lying? >> well, i -- yeah, i'm -- she said she would deny, and she's denying it, part of me is not surprised, and my reaction is, you're offended? how do you think i feel, and everyone in hoboken feels? we haven't been given that much sandy fundy. -- funding. and we have been told there's a connection between the two when there's a push to get one particular project through. and development in hoboken, we have to do it very carefully. we are only one square mile. we are the fourth most densely populated per capita. there's only two small roads into the north end of hoboken, we're talking about a 30 acre area, there's a push to move ahead with a four acre area to give 2 million square feet to one property owner, the rockefeller group. i got a property owner that's been there for decades and they

own nine acres. it's my job to be fair. that's all i'm saying. >> you have subsequently tweeted positive things about governor christie. why would you do that if you felt he was strong arming you? >> believe me, like, i've felt torn about this. he has done very good things for hoboken, i mean, i think he's done terrific things for the state overall. i do think that he has been a great governor and i support him on the 2% cap, the arbitration, these are things that really have helped the state, they need to continue. they will continue to help the state. his administration was tremendous in helping us with the hospital. >> to not mention this sooner and now mention it given all his other obstacles, people say this smacks of politics. to you -- are you saying you didn't mention it because you thought he did some good things in general? were you concerned, were you afraid to mention it? >> i didn't think people would believe me.

and also i didn't want -- they didn't make their final decisions on the hazard mitigation funding until much later. and so i wanted to -- you know, i wanted to keep some chances out there to try to get the funding for hoboken. if i was to come out and make these accusations then i'm hurting the chances of getting the funding. >> what is it like to make these accusations? >> it's a challenge. let's face it, i mean, i'm -- i'm someone who got into politics because i care about my town. i was a stay at home mom before i got into politics. i did this because i cared about bringing balanced development and bringing a park to my neighborhood which is something we're about to make happen. so for me, i feel i'm i'm out here -- i'm losing my voice here. i need to keep my voice out there and have people know i'm doing this because i care about my town. >> is it scary?

>> it's hard, because obviously there's very powerful people across the country all giving their opinions on me. it's ironic, actually, i have had some experience dealing with the national media and international stories because of something that the governor was part of making happen, peter camarano getting arrested and going to jail. that's an investigation the governor started as u.s. attorney. he went to jail for something -- for really pushing, promising to expedite development projects. >> has anyone pushed you to come forward and talk about this? the dnc? other democrats? >> no, i don't have -- i've been considered, the democrats are frustrated with me, how could i support the republican governor for four years. i don't have these massive connections to the -- i don't know who's head of the -- i don't know, i'm a democrat.

they haven't called me at all. no, they have not called me. i have no connection to them. i'm a democrat, i think president obama has been through some challenges, he's doing a great job and i think he's -- the rebuild by design competition that started under secretary donovan, i think is an excellent, excellent opportunity for hoboken. >> what do you think should happen to christie? >> all i'm asking from christie is support my rebuild by design competition. it's an excellent opportunity. i was down at a meeting a month ago. i said, mark, can you put some support for rebuild by design into the second tranche of funding. he said, you need to let me know how much development you are willing to do. that was the answer i got back. that pressure is there. and the writing's on the wall, that's part of my thinking for coming forward, that threat is there and we're not going to get

more funding if i don't -- i'm really between a rock and a hard place. >> this pressure -- you said is pressure from the lieutenant governor on this conversation, that's not a one-time thing? you're saying there's a pattern of this? >> right. well, it's not a one-time thing. that pressure was continuing until i came forward. and that pressure was going to continue. >> have you heard from the office directly now? since you've come forward, has anyone said anything to you? >> no, i haven't talked to them at all. they're saying that they had someone in my office who was there for rebuild by design, which was great, but no one has directly said to me we think it's great the plan you have. and this is a plan, it's a water management system that could truly protect the entire city. it will benefit new jersey transit. it will benefit the port authority. you see the pictures of water going through the elevator. it would benefit -- it is something that would add a layer of protection for them. this is a win-win for everyone

so really that's what i'm asking is governor, please, support this. when i get an answer back saying, you know -- >> mark faizan. >> she he -- he is the head of the sandy recovery process for the governor. when i get an answer back saying you need to tell us the level of development you're ready to do? >> the head of the sandy redevelopment process was talking to you about development? >> he said that like a month ago. right. so the lieutenant governor gave her message. i didn't do exactly what they want. and so the pressure continues. >> dumb question, i assume i know the answer. i assume you're not going to governor christie's inauguration tomorrow? >> i don't think i'm invited. >> mayor, i appreciate you being on. i hope your voice gets better. >> thank you. >> if you want to see the letters we were talking about, you can read them on our website. her charges have drawn fire from big names over the weekend. rudy giuliani downplayed the investigations and called the

bridge investigation which is a separate investigation, a witch hunt. here's what mr. giuliani recently had to say. >> i don't see anything in his background that suggests he takes advantage of people, he pushes them around, he's nasty to them. that he's -- if terms of his personal contact. i've been with him and his family many, many times, i don't see anything different about him than most of the people i know. it's a stereotype. the unfortunate thing for chris is and this would be true with me, if something happens that reinforces your stereotype, it becomes a big deal. true politics, dana bash is back along with glory borger. >> what do you think about these allegations? >> they're serious. that's why they're being investigated. what we heard tonight is the big question, who used redevelopment as the bargaining trip? was it the mayor as the governor's office would charge or the governor as the mayor

charges but this is very serious legal issue, it also ties in -- if the mayor is telling the truth, it ties it directly to chris christie, because we have a lieutenant governor saying, this is what the governor wants, and she was delivering the message, although she said apparently she would deny it and this, of course, sandy, hurricane releft is so much a part of chris christie's brand, who he is. the sort of can-do governor. what the mayor is saying is, there was more to it than that. >> if this conversation is accurate as the mayor says, it's like something out of a movie for the lieutenant governor saying, i'm going to deny this conversation ever took place. >> and, you know, in a parking lot. >> in new jersey. >> yeah -- >> if it's true -- >> it really is. that is another reason why this is potentially so devastating to

christie. not only the biggest reason, is what you said, gloria, is this is much more than bridgegate ties the issue directly to the governor. but also because this is another thing that people can understand. people can understand what happened in sandy, people can understand -- because they've seen so many movies and lifetime series about this. >> people watching "house of cards" say isn't this how politics is done? that it's like, you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours? aren't deals like this done all the time? >> well, these are threats. these are threats that are not legal. if you're lbj and you say, i want your vote on the civil rights bill. and if you don't give it to me i'm not going to give you that bridge you want in your state. that is more understandable. this is more threatening to a degree and there are more legal implications. >> it's more overt than what you think might happen or did happen in lbj's time. or in politics anywhere else.

very overt. >> isn't this done on capitol hill all the time? it's sort of deal making. isn't it? that's what a supporter of christie's who doesn't believe -- >> the allegations here are way beyond deal making, it is a threat. it is a threat, again not just of if you want this project back in your state you're going to support my initiative here. this is we're not going to give the residents of your town which as you know, you there were, 80% of their water during sandy, we're not going to give them help unless you support our development project because the governor supports it because he has friends in a law firm. it is almost -- >> it's not a museum named after a mayor. >> exactly. or -- >> but something that people can understand. >> what i saw here with you is a mayor, who's concerned about the city of hoboken, she's saying chris christie is a great governor who's done great things for the state, but she clearly still wants this money, and i think she came out of

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welcome back, the already tense runup to the winter olympics just got downright terrifying due to the black widow. this woman, the widow of an islamic militant. authorities fear she may be planning to get her revenge targeting the games in sochi. they are trying to find her now. nobody pretends she's acting alone not after the recent

bombings in volgograd. not after chilling videotaped threat this weekend. the u.s. government has a contingency plan to get americans out of the games. but first, the latest on the dragnet from moscow. >> i understand officials are looking for at least one black widow woman they fear may be planning an attack during the olympics, what's the latest? >> the distributed notices, anderson to hotels in sochi, to look out for this woman, 22 years old from the russian republic of dagestan, it remains the hot bed of islamic -- they have information which leads them to believe she travelled from dagestan to sochi somewhere between january 11th to the 14th. she may be working with a known terrorist organization. to plan some sort of terrorist

act in sochi, specifically in the olympic region of sochi. she's said to be quite distinctive in appearance, a lame right leg, a large scar on the cheek of her face. this comes after a jihadi video has been released which we've heard from islamists claiming responsibility for the deadly attacks in voel go volgograd just a few weeks ago. and promising there will be much worse to come during the sochi games. mounting earn cans in russia this morning, as the olympic torch makes its way through the bomb ravaged city. the back to back suicide bombings last month that claimed 34 lives. and warning that more attacks could come during the sochi olympic games. in the hour long video, the purported suicide bombers are seen constructing explosives and explaining their motives, all before heading to their targets, triggers in hand.

the two men part of an islamist militant group, vowing to prepare a present for the olympics and all the tourists who come over. members of congress are very concerned. >> something does happen, what is the evacuation plan and emergency response plan that would take place? >> others worried about americans headed to sochi. >> i would not go, and i don't think i would send my family. >> i am very concerned about the security status of the olympics. i do believe that the russian government needs to be more cooperative with the united states when it comes to the security of the games. >> russian president vladimir putin deploying a security force. a 40,000 police officers and soldiers to the region. in an interview with abc news, putin says he will do whatever it takes to keep athletes and visitors safe and pledging that russia has had kwat means of security. security around the olympic

venue on high alert. metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs visible as the games get underway in just two weeks. >> from the russian perspective, how do they view their cooperation with the u.s. on security for the olympics. >> it's not something they really discuss very openly at all. they very much see this as their responsibility. and indeed over the last year or so we've heard a lot more from the russian authorities about their desire to cooperate with the united states with terrorism matters particularly on terrorism matters and so forth. this has been a poor period for relations between the united states and russia, where there have been question marks between the two countries on these issues. when it comes to sochi in particular, we know what a role vladimir putin plays in this, he sees this as his responsibility and one for russian government

and his authorities to carry off safely and securely, and from all the comments we've heard from him in recent days, he remains very confident that that will be the case, anderson. >> phil, appreciate the update. president obama's comments about race in a new interview, why everything he says getting parsed so closely. john ridley, the screen writer behind "12 years a slave." a mother charged with first degree murder after stabbing her children during an exorcism. new details in the investigation.

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president obama and his family marked today's federal

holiday by volunteering at a washington, d.c., kitchen that prepares meals for needy people. it was five years ago today that barack obama was sworn in as the 44th president to take the oath of office. over the course of his presidency he has often shied away from talking about race, but in a revealing interview he acknowledges there are people who dislike him because he is african-american. we'll talk more about it with the screen writer of "12 years a slave." he spoke about race in a way he hasn't spoken many about. he said, there's no doubt some folks who dislike me because they don't like the idea of a black president. he said there's some people who like him because he's an african-american president. >> that's a formulation he's very careful to make. the second part as much as the first part. i don't know that the second part is as much in evidence any

more as the first part, and the right wing, a lot of the twit r twittersphere went a bit berserk on it. really? this is such a mystery that there are some people in the united states that don't like barack obama because he's black? >> just the reaction to what the president said sort of points to why this president has spoken more about race. >> clearly. this is one of those subject matters that this individual the president has had to dance around for several years now, going into the election the first time, as he was president, and i think it's a difficult subject matter on both sides. there are a lot of people of color who wish he had been more of a quote, unquote, black president and some have said that quite literally, he needs to be the black president. i have a problem with that. if someone had said, president bush needs to be the white president, people would freak out. >> one of the things that the president has said he's been

accused of, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, booker t. washington. let the larger society off the hook. i think the president went on to say he didn't think was fair. he's not letting the larger society off the hook. >> no he's perfectly aware that institutional racism exists in place in our society that are obvious. no one's discounting that. i was once interviewing obama for my book "the bridge" which is all about race. and we talked in the white house then and he was very, very careful. as we were leaving a room, he basically told me, look, there's just -- this subject, no matter what i say, it's parsed so carefully it's hand grenades that can go off. and not just on twitter but just in every area of the country. the most important thing that will happen to barack obama is his election and he knows that. >> also, people have commented on the fact that he can't be

seen as being angry about the subject of race which is such a bizarre thing to have to operate under that mantle that you can't -- >> he lives a bizarre life. >> again, i've seen people of color wishing he would get more demonstrative about issues or a harder puckback on certain things like the birther movement. and there are others who say you scant do that, because you're going to come off as the angry black man. it's unfortunate when you're an individual that breaks barriers, sometimes you have to do it in a way that is different from the way someone else whose people have been in that room before. true with a person of color, with women. again we hear all the time if a man acted like this he would get promoted. if a woman acts like this, she would be considered a you know what. >> you're talking about a longer game which is something you write about in the article as well? >> absolutely. for me, people of prominence or

people i admire from the civil rights movement all the way back through slavery. having spent many years, four years researching this individual and what he went through for the film "12 years a slave." and what i went through, and he had to believe in something that was not even seen. when i look back at individuals who could see something that did not exist in anyway shape or form, when i look at the president and see that he has a long-range vision, i'm very impressed by that. there are moments where i get very frustrated, come on, man. do this, do that. but clearly, this is an individual just in terms of the politicking of politics and how to weave his way around the anger and the rancor he has an understanding of how he needs to present himself. frlz >> thank you very much. up next tonight, deadly plant explosion in omaha, nebraska. a maryland mother stabbed two of her children to death and

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in crime and punishment, maryland authorities are piecing together what happened in a townhouse where two children were stabbed and one injured. their murder has been charged with murder. the mother has been charged with first degree murder. police say the mother told them she stabbed the children as part of an exorcism. >> i'm so sorry i couldn't save them. >> police responded to what they thought was a routine 911 call.

but turned out to be anything but. >> the house had the windows open up there. i heard a lot of noises on the night. i just wake up and i heard like jumping and i didn't know. they have four children. >> what they found was a car with an open door, a knife, and blood. that gave them the probable cause to go in the townhouse. and what they found when they got inside, shock, the most hardened law enforcement professionals. >> they found the gruesome discovery of two children who appeared to have been deceased. and appeared to have had some sort of injuries to their bodies. they also discovered a 5-year-old female in another room who had had some injuries as well, she was conscious. >> the children were found in the master bedroom, their mother was holding a fourth child, also stabbed when officers confronted her.

behind her a friend, who police say helped her in the attack, also had a stab wound to her neck. >> they attempted to try to speak with her in order to get some sort of an explanation. and they could not understand what she was telling them. >> the mother, 28-year-old zakieya avery attempted to flee the crime scene, but was tackled by the police and arrested. those who knew the family are broken hearted. >> there was nothing that made us think something like that was going on over here. it's awkward, the story is shocking. >> avery told them she was performing a rite of exorcism on her children. >> they believed the evil spirits were in their children and they needed to get rid of the evil spirits. >> but authorities say there was no evidence an exorcism actually took place. >> no, we found no bible. we found no signs. >> instructions for exorcism? >> no official types of instructions, no books, no other

type of literature explaining -- >> no minister. >> no minister was present on scene to our knowledge, no. >> exorcism or not, prosecutors are charging avery with two counts of first degree murder and two counts of attempted first degree murder, eligible for the death penalty. the family pastor cannot comprehend what might have gone wrong. this wasn't the family who attended his church. >> they were confident and happy kids, you know, you kind of get a feel for kids that are abused or neglected. and that just did not fit these children. >> while no one at this point can determine her state of mind, investigators believe avery acted intentionally and knew exactly what she was doing. >> she didn't hesitate to basically try to evade us along with her son. and in fact we believe that maybe she was trying to convince

the others that what they were doing was okay, even the other female told us, oh, i'm okay. >> jean casarez joins us from germantown, maryland. what's next in this case, it's so bizarre how do authorities know these women are telling the truth. >> well their first court appearance is going to be tomorrow. they don't know if the women are telling the truth. both told the story that they were in the middle of an exorcism. here's the thing, they have nothing else to show there was an exorcism. i'm talking to george parnum today who represented andrea yeates. he said a good defense lawyer should get in there to the jail with a video camera. if she was having the delusion that the spirits were in the children, she will be talking that way. he needs to record that, once she's on medication, those days

will be over. and once they get to court, she looks like she's very normal. >> two people involved in this. jean casarez, appreciate it. let's get caught up on other stories we are following. susan hendricks has a 360 bulletin. >> a deadly accident today at an industrial plant in omaha, nebraska, at least two people were killed when a fire broke out at the international foods facility. part of the building collapsed, but all employees have been accounted for, at least four people were critically injured. kenneth b-- kenneth bae the american citizen being held in north korea said in a statement he has committed a serious crime against that country. he was arrested more than a year ago, north korea won't say why. it has a history of exacting confessions from people. a new warning to tell you about, customers whose accounts were hacked. customers can go online to check an e-mail. scammers are sending out similar e-mail offers. there is a recall of velveeta skillets. the package fails to list

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tonight worldwide outrage over the fate of 200 bottle nose dolphins. it's dolphin hunting season in japan. japanese fishermen have herded hundreds of them. what happens in the cove each year used to be a well kept secret. not any more. warning, it is extremely hard to watch. the dolphins thrash around fishing nets in vain, trying to get back to open water. this develop fin bloodies its bottle nose trying to escape. snared into the infamous taiji cove, 200 dolphins will be sold

to marine parks and aquariums. most of the others will be slaughtered for their meat. >> they hammer a metal rod into the spinal cord of the dolphin. the dolphins do not die immediately. it takes up to 20 to 30 minutes for the dolphins to die, where they bleed out, suffocate or drown in the process of being dragged to the butcher house. >> it's a brutal spectacle that in years past has turned the water red with blood for hours. organizers of the annual hunt for years have been able to keep cameras away, then came the movie "the cove." the documentary won an oscar and exposed the slaughter to the world. the film makers used a set up of hidden cameras to capture this village's hidden secret. it's not only tradition, but no different than the slaughter of any animal eaten in western countries. >> translator: people are just thinking too emotionally about

the dolphins, they want to protect them because they're cute and clever. >> we're going to have more on this story tomorrow night, marine mammal specialist who's featured in the documentary will join us, that does it for this edition of 360. piers morgan live starts now. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. the movie was raunchy, raw and some people say crosses the line. >> one, two, three. >> stop. safety first. >> safety is first. we don't want to get a bad reputation. >> the wolf of wall street. the man who was the inspiration for leonardo dicaprio's character. >> i think what you just did was try to bribe a federal offic