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battled city in a meemt you can see for yourself and decide for yourself. first, dana bash on how we got here. >> reporter: it's an ultimatum of epic political proportions. chris christie's lieutenant governor says it's wholly false. >> being a sandy victim myself makes the mayor's allegations particularly offensive to me. dawn zimmer described a scene right out of a movie saying that lieutenant governor kim guadagno approached her and threatened to withhold money unless the governor backed a project in her town. >> she said she was with him on friday night and this is was a message to the governor. >> reporter: this is a much more direct tie to christie in bridgegate.
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one that the mayor made up. >> mayor zimmer's version of our conversation in may of 2013 is not only false but is illogical and does not withstand scrutiny when all of the facts are examined. >> reporter: a christie spokesman said it's very clear that part son politics are at play here and try to it the faces of television. hoboken's mayor had publicly supported her governor in the past. but provided private journal entries to cnn which told a different story. she wrote at the time, i thought he was something different. this week i found he is cut from the same corrupt cloth i have been fighting for the last four
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years. sources who attended this weekend say that christie argued the way he handled scandals so far should make them more confident in him, not less. >> he said to those donors, if i ever put myself up for national office, you and everyone have an absolute right to know how i deal with problems. lightning will strike. >> reporter: but he also privately announced that he is putting any 2016 race for president on hold for a year. ana navarro attended several events. talking to these billionaires, people that chris christie will need if he runs for president, what's your sense of how they feel about all of this? >> i think chris christie has taken the initiative, putting 2016 on pause. i think this buys some time for other potential candidates who may be deciding what they do and will not be at risk of losing donors and activists who commit to christie. >> that was dana bash reporting.
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insofar as the bridge and the hoboken story are concerned, the fast -- the fact picture is far from complete. tonight, only on this program, the hoboken mayor, dawn zimmer, is joining us. you sent a letter to governor christie on november 23rd that you sent to us and we're putting it on the screen asking for funding for pumps to help the flooding problem in hoboken. you said to the governor, just as shore towns are not being asked for development in exchange for protecting them from future storms, the solution to hoboken's flooding challenges can not be dependent on future development. now, this was sent before your meeting with the lieutenant governor. does this mean that you felt pressure already about future development? >> in various meetings that i had with their administration i did feel that there was always a
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lot of discussion about development. but i will say in those meetings there was not a direct connection made but there was pressure and so i do think that while i think what's interesting about what the lieutenant governor said today, she says that it's illogical what i said and when you look at the documents and the letters that i've written, you can see that it wasn't illogical at all, it's a progression leading up to something where they wanted to send me -- give me a very direct message because they felt like i wasn't getting the message clearly enough so she was sent in. >> people close to the lieutenant governor -- she call it is completely fauls but i want to read what a source said about your conversation. kim remembers in their conversation that she was talking about redevelopment and making investments in hoboken, meaning you. she remembers zimmer pressing kim for money for sandy.
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kim remembers saying you can't tie the two together and zimmer continued to press and showing her map the city impressing for sandy. so she's saying it was you who was linking sandy and development. are you saying this letter, which is dated before that conversation, november 23rd, disapproves that? >> right. well, that's the first time i'm hearing that. she didn't actually say that today. but, yeah, this letter makes it very clear that i was the one, you know, on april 23rd sent them a letter and very clearly said, you can't connect the two and it's not fair to connect the two and that was part of the conversation that we had. i said, you know, are you saying -- after she said to me, you know, that you've got to move ahead with the rockefeller project, i said, is any other town being asked to do development in exchange for help with the flooding? and her answer was, well, the shore brings in $38 million. she was the one connecting -- you know, she very clearly was
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connecting the development with the sandy aid in our conversation and i made it clear -- it's ironic that she's coming around and saying that when i sent a letter on april 23rd saying these two things should not be connected and it's not fair. >> so you're saying in the conversation that you had with her in the parking lot, you point blank said to her, is there any other town being asked to link development to sandy aid? >> yes. >> you made that linkage clear that was the interpretation of what she was saying and she did not dispute it? >> she did not dispute it. she said, i know it's not fair. they shouldn't be connected but they are. that's in the journal entry that i gave to the attorney. >> you're saying that they shouldn't be connected but they are? were those her exact words? >> that's what i recall. that's what i wrote at the time. i wrote the journal entry a few days after the meeting wither had. >> also for the first time now we're seeing another letter that you sent that you provided us on may 8th to the governor saying that you were stunned that you're not getting the aid
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requested and that's two days before the meeting with lieutenant governor. what does that second letter -- what do you believe it shows? what do you believe it proves? >> again, back to her statement that it's all illogical, you can see that it was a progression. it was a progression of pressure and she was, you know, sending that final message to me on may 8th there's a few important things that p haed. on may 8th the planning board voted down the zoning that the rockefeller group wanted for their property and on may 8th we had, again, severe flooding and the letter that i sent to the governor showed pictures of the severe flooding that we had again in hoboken and on may 8th i sent a letter saying that, you know, these things cannot be -- that we really need the funding and that, you know, basically i had received my office had received notice that we were not going to be receiving funding and i was writing saying i hope
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this is not the final decision because we really need help. so that happens on wednesday. may 8th. so those things. the planning board meeting, the letter to the governor saying, please, we really need help. i'm hearing that we're not going to get hazard mitigation funding. i hope that's not the case. two days later, two days later their office calls friday afternoon and says we want to do a sandy business event on monday. i think at like 10:00 in the morning. and it seemed -- the timing seemed a little strange but we were fine with it. of course, want to welcome the lieutenant governor. she's coming to hoboken. we had already done the opening at least a month before and certainly wanted to welcome her. >> her coming down and specifically in response to this letter of may 8th? >> i do. i do believe it's related. yes, i do believe it was related. i think that she -- you know, that event was created so that she could come and have the
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opportunity to make a very clear message to me. >> you've done two interviews, i believe, this weekend. you hadn't mentioned these letters before. why now? >> actually, these letters were provided. these letters were provided to msnbc and steve may have, you know -- i think steve may have brought them up in his show. >> conversation? >> yes. you know, there's a lot of information. there's a lot of documents. there's a lot of issues around, you know, the connection between the port authority and who funded the study and the connection with david sampson and wolf and sampson and i know it's complicated for the public to understand. but really the bottom line is, that week, that week of may 8th, that day, there was some important things that happened and right after that time frame, when i sent this letter saying i can't believe this is really true we're not going to get hazard communication funding whean the planning board voted down the zoning that the
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rockefeller group wanted, the lieutenant governor's office calls on monday, they -- you know, they come and she delivers a very clear message because i think they felt that i wasn't getting the message clearly enough and now they wanted to make it very clear to me. >> i want to talk more specifically about what she said to you and your immediate reaction to it. we're going to have more with the mayor of hoboken. tweet me @ac360. ♪
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zimmer. before the break we were talking about the days leading up to the lieutenant governor's statement. the governor's office did not issue a specific statement, but they questioned the timing of this and they specifically pointed out your conversation was may 10th and the first letter is dated april 23rd and they question why this is coming out now saying you gave interviews before and this didn't come out. >> as far as these letters? >> yeah. >> i mean, these letters were provided to msnbc, and this is just further highlighting the progression, the pressure that i felt, and sort of connecting the dots, so to speak. and so, again, when she's saying that it's illogical, these letters, you know, they are further demonstration of what was happening and how it was really connected. but the bottom line is, anderson, she came and she said this to me. you know, i stand by my word. >> when she said it to you, what was your immediate, initial response and your immediate --
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what was going through your mind? >> i couldn't believe it. i mean, i couldn't believe that she was saying what she was saying. and she very clearly said, you know, if these things shouldn't be connected but they are. i know it's not right and if you tell anyone, i will deny it. >> she said that? >> yes. >> she said, if you tell anyone, i will deny it? >> yes. so, this isn't something that you forget. when you're lieutenant governor of new jersey tells you in a, paing lot, if you tell anyone, i will deny it, you remember. i was very upset and i did a journal entry a few days later. >> and she said this came directly from christie? >> she said this is a project -- she said, yeah, the rockefeller project is very important to the governor. i was with him on friday night and i don't know all the details -- i started to explain some of the challenges that i'm facing on the ground and i want to move the process forward and that's the challenge here, is
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that there are -- again and again i have found myself in meetings explaining to the christie administration, listen, we've all got to be careful here. we can't have a conversation about what the plan is for the rockefeller group because it hasn't been designated and it's my job as the mayor of hoboken to follow that redevelopment law. the mayor and the city council as the redevelopment agency, we are the ones responsible for implementing that law. >> so when you see the lieutenant governor in a press conference saying, point blank, your memory -- your recollection of this conversation is offensive, is completely inaccurate and as an victim of sandy she's offended, you're saying she's lying? >> yeah. she said she would deny it and she's denying it. part of me is not surprised and my reaction is, you're offended? how do you think i feel and everyone in hoboken feels?
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we have been told that there's a connection between the two and there's a push to get one particular project through and, you know, development in hoboken, we have to do it very carefully, we're only one square mile. we are the fourth most densely populated city in the court per capita and there's only two small roads into the north end of hoboken. we're talking about a 30-acre area and when there's a push to put forth to give property owner, i've got property owners that have been there for decades and they own nine acres. it's my job to be fair. i mean, that's all i'm saying. >> you have subsequently tweeted positive things about governor christie. why would you do that if you felt he was strong-arming you? >> believe me, i have felt torn about this. he has -- he has done very good things for hoboken. i mean, i think he's done
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terrific things for the state overall. i do think that he has been a great governor. and i support on him the 2% cap, arbitration. these are things that i believe have helped the state. they need to continue and they need to continue to help the state. his administration was tremendous in helping us with the hospital. >> but to not mention this sooner and mention it given his other obstacles, people say it maps of politics. are you saying you didn't mention it because, a, you thought he did some good things in general? were you concerned or afraid to mention it? >> i didn't think people would believe me. >> you didn't think people would believe you? >> i didn't think people would believe me. they didn't make their final decisions on the hazard mitigation funding until, you know, much later. and so i wanted to, you know, keep some chances out there to try and get the funding for hoboken. for us to come out and make these accusations, i'm hurting
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our chances of funding. >> what is it like to make these accusations? >> it's a challenge. let's face it. i'm a -- i'm someone that does politics because i care about my town. i was a stay-at-home mom before i got into politics. i care about bringing a park to my neighborhood, which is something that we're really -- we're about to make happen and so for, i'm out here -- i feel like i had to come tonight. i'd rather be home in bed. i'm losing my voice here but i need to get my voice out there and have people know, i'm doing this because i really care about my town. >> is it scary, though? >> it is. it's hard because obviously there's very powerful people, you know, across the country all giving their opinions on me. but, you know, it's ironic, actually, that i have had some experience dealing with the national media and international stories because of something that the governor was part of making happen. peter getting arrested and going to jail, that's an investigation
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that the governor started as u.s. attorney for and peter camarano went to jail for something, you know, for really pushing -- promising to expedite development projects. >> has anyone talked to you, the dnc -- >> no, that's the thing. i've been considered -- the democrats were frustrated with me because how could i support a republican governor for four years. i don't have these massive connections to -- i'm a democrat and they haven't called me at all. i have no connection to them. i'm a democrat. president obama has been through some challenges but i think he's doing a great job and the rebuild by design competition, it started and under secretary
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donovan is a wonderful opportunity for hoboken. >> what do you think should happen to christie? >> support my rebuild by design competition it's an excellent opportunity. i was at a meeting a month ago and said -- they invited me down for a briefing and i said, mark, can you put some support for rebuild by design into the second tranche of funding? and he said, mayor, you need to let me know how much development you're willing to do. that was the answer i got back. so -- that pressure is there and the writing's on the wall and that's part of my thinking of coming forward, it's like, that threat is there. and we're not going to get more funding if i don't -- >> really, you're saying this conversation -- this pressure what you said is pressure from lieutenant governor, that's not a one-time thing. it's a pattern. >> it's not a one-time thing. that pressure was continuing until -- you know, until i came forward. that pressure was going to continue.
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>> subsequently, since you've come forward has anyone said anything to you? >> no, i haven't talked to them at all. no. and they are saying that they had someone in my office who was there for rebuild by design, which was great, but no one has directly said to me, we think it's great. the plan that you have. and this is a plan, it's a water management system that could truly protect the entire city. it will benefit new jersey transit t will benefit the port authority. you see those images of the water going through the elevator. it would benefit -- add a layer of protection for them, hoboken businesses, hospital, sewage authority. this is a win-win for everything so really that's what i'm asking, governor, please support this. but when i get an answer back from mark frazon -- >> head of the sandy process for the governor so when i get an answer back saying, well, you need to tell us the level of development you want to do. >> so the head of the sandy
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development process was also talking to you about development? >> he said that like a month ago. the lieutenant governor did her message. i didn't do exactly what they want. the pressure continues. >> this is a dumb question. i assume i know the answer. i assume you're not going to governor christie's inauguration tomorrow. >> i don't think i'm invited. >> i hope your voice gets better. if you want to read the letters we're talking about, see them at ac360.com. her charges have drawn fire for big political names. rudy giuliani downplayed hr allegations. as for the larger narrative, this feeds into chris christie is a bully. here's what rudy giuliani had to say. >> i don't see anything in his background that suggests that he takes advantage of people, that he pushes them around, that he's nasty to them in terms of his personal contact. i've been with his family many,
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many times. i don't see any difference about him than any other people that i know but it's a stereotype and the unfortunately thing about chris is, if something happens that reinforces your stereotype, it becomes a big deal. >> true politics, dana bash is back. also joining us is chief analyst gloria borger. what do you think about these allegations by the mayor? >> i think they are serious and that's why they are being investigated by the u.s. attorney and i think what we heard tonight is the big question, which is, who used redevelopment as the bargaining chip? was it the mayor as the governor's office would charge or was it the governor, you know, as the mayor charges? but this is very serious legal issue. it also ties it -- if the mayor is telling the truth, it ties it directly to chris christie because you have a lieutenant governor saying this is what the governor wants and she was delivering the message, although she said apparently she would
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deny it and this, of course, sandy hurricane relief is so much a part of chris christie's brand, who he is, the sort of can-do governor and what the mayor is saying, you know what, there was more to it than that. >> if this conversation is accurate, as the mayor says, it's like something out of a movie for lieutenant governor saying, i'm going to right. right. it really is. and i think that is another reason why this is potentially so devastating to christie potentially. not only the biggest reason, what you said, gloria, that this is much more than bridgegate ties the issue directly to the governor. but also because this is another thing that people can understand. people can understand what happened in sandy. people can understand because they've seen so many movies and so many lifetime series about
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this. >> people watching this watch "house of cards," isn't this how politics is done, you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours? >> but these are threats. these are threats that are actually not legal. if you're lbj and say i want your vote on a civil rights bill and you don't give it to me, i'm not going to give you that bridge that you want in your state or district, that's kind of understan of understandable. this is more -- >> it's allegedly more overt than you think might have and probably did happen back in lbj's time or in politics. very overt. >> isn't it deal making? isn't that what a supporter of christie who doesn't believe -- >> no. the allegations here are way beyond deal making. it's a threat. it is a threat. and it is a threat, again, not just of, if you want this project back in your state, you're going to support my
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initiative here. this is, we're not going to give the residents of your town which you were there anderson, 80% underwater during sandy, we're not going to give them help unless you support our development project because the governor has friends in a law firm. it is something that is almost -- >> it's not a museum named after the mayor or a political purpose. >> but something that the people can understand. >> but what i saw here who is concerned about the city of hoboken and is still saying, by the way, that chris christie is a great governor who has done great things for the state but she clearly still wants this money and i think finally she came out out of frustration or felt that she would be believed this time around if she was worried about -- it's not the end that we've heard about it. up next, russian police are desperately trying to track down a woman, this woman, who may be a terrorist that may try to attack the upcoming olympics. the latest on the search for her.
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welcome back. the already tense run-up to the olympics in russia just got terrifying. the so-called black widow authorities fear may be planning to get her revenge, targeting the games in sochi. they are trying to find her now. nobody pretends she's acting alone, not after the recent bombings. we'll talk more about that shortly. first, the latest from phil black in moscow. i understand that officials are
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looking for one so-called black widow. what's the latest? >> reporter: the distributed notices, anderson, in sochi and are asked to look out for a woman who is 22 years old from dagestan and remains the hotbed of the surgency in this country. they say she's the widow of a known militant and they say they have information that leads them to believe that she traveled from dagestan to sochi some time between january 11th and the 14th and may be planning some sort of terrorist act in sochi, specifically in the olympic region in sochi. she is lame and has a scar on the left side of her cheek. islamists have claiming responsible for the deadly
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attacks weeks ago and there may be more to come during the sochi games. mounting concerns in russia as the olympic torch relay make its way from the bomb-stricten city of voldograd. it claimed 34 lives. and warning that more attacks could come during the sochi olympic games. in the hour-long video, the purported suicide bombers are seen constructing explosives and explaining their motives, all before heading to their targets triggers in hand. the two part of a militant group vowing to prepare a present for the olympics and all of the tourists who will come over. members of congress are very concerned. >> if something does happen, what is the evacuation plan and emergency response plan that would take place? >> reporter: others worried about americans heading to
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sochi. >> i would not go and i don't think i would send my family. >> i am very concerned about the status of the olympics. i do believe that the russian government needs to be more cooperative with the united states when it comes to the security of the games. >> reporter: russian president vladimir putin deploying a security force of 40,000 police officers and soldiers to the region. in an interview with abc news, putin says that he will do whatever it takes to keep athletes and visitors safe and pledging that russia has adequate means of security. security around the olympic venue on high alert. metal detectors and bomb-sniffing dogs visible as the games get under way in just over two weeks. >> from the russian perspective, how do they view their cooperation with the u.s. on security for the olympics? >> reporter: anderson, it's not something that they really discuss openly at all.
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they see this as their responsibility and, indeed, over the last year or so we've heard a lot more from russian authorities over their desire to cooperate with the united states, particularly on intelligence and terrorism matters, particularly in the wake of the boston bombings and so forth. but this is also being a particularly poor period for relations between the united states and russia where there has been question marks over the degree of cooperation between the two countries on these issues but when it. coul could comes to sochi, the role that vladimir plays in this and he sees it as his responsibility to carry off safely and securely and from all of the comments that we've heard from him in the last few days, he remains confident that this will remain the case. >> phil black, thanks. president obama's comments about race in a new interview. the new yorker david recommend
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who dislike him because he is african-american. we'll talk more about it with the screen writer of "12 years a slave." he spoke about race in a way he hasn't spoken many about. he said, there's no doubt some folks who dislike me because they don't like the idea of a black president. he said there's some people who like him because he's an african-american president. >> that's a formulation he's very careful to make. the second part is not in evidence as much as the first part. the second part as much as the first part. i don't know that the second part is as much in evidence any more as the first part, and the right wing, a lot of the
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twittersphere went a bit berserk on it. really? this is such a mystery that there are some people in the united states that don't like barack obama because he's black? >> just the reaction to what the president said sort of points to why this president has spoken more about race. >> clearly. this is one of those subject matters that this individual the president has had to dance around for several years now, going into the election the first time, as he was president, and i think it's a difficult subject matter on both sides. there are a lot of people of color who wish he had been more of a quote, unquote, black president and some have said that quite literally, he needs to be the black president. i have a problem with that. if someone had said, president bush needs to be the white president, people would freak out. >> one of the things that the president has said he's been accused of, pull yourself up by
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your bootstraps, booker t. washington. let the larger society off the hook. i think the president went on to say he didn't think was fair. he's not letting the larger society off the hook. >> no he's perfectly aware that institutional racism exists in place in our society that are obvious. no one's discounting that. i was once interviewing obama for my book "the bridge" which is all about race. and we talked in the white house then and he was very, very careful. as we were leaving a room, he basically told me, look, there's just -- this subject, no matter what i say, it's parsed so carefully it's hand grenades that can go off. and not just on twitter but just in every area of the country. the most important thing that will happen to barack obama is his election and he knows that. >> also, people have commented on the fact that he can't be seen as being angry about the subject of race which is such a bizarre thing to have to operate under that mantle that you can't -- >> he lives a bizarre life. >> again, i've seen people of color wishing he would get more demonstrative about issues or a harder pushback on certain things like the birther
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movement. and there are others who say you scant do that, because you're going to come off as the angry black man. it's unfortunate when you're an individual that breaks barriers, sometimes you have to do it in a way that is different from the way someone else whose people have been in that room before. true with a person of color, with women. again, we hear all the time, if a man acted like this, he would get promoted. if a woman acts like this, she would be considered a you know what. >> you're talking about a longer game which is something you write about in the article as well? >> absolutely. for me, people of prominence or people i admire from the civil rights movement all the way back through slavery. having spent many years, four years researching this individual and what he went through for the film "12 years a slave." and what i went through, and he had to believe in something that was not even seen. so when i look back at
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individuals who could see something that did not exist in any way, shape, or form, when i look at the president and see that he has a long-range vision, i'm very impressed by that. clearly, this is an individual in the politicking of politics. he certainly has an understanding of how he needs to present himself. >> john ridler, thank you very much. >> thank you. up next, a deadly explosion in omaha. plus, a mother stabbed two children in an exorcism. and a secret dolphin hunting. some are bloody trying to escape now awaiting slaughter.
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in crime and punishment, maryland authorities are piecing together what happened in a townhouse where two toddlers were stabbed to death. she stabbed her children as part of an exorcism. jean casarez has the latest. >> i'm so sorry. >> reporter: police responded to what they thought was a routine 911 call but turned out to be anything but. >> the windows are opened up there. jumping and i didn't know they had four children. >> reporter: what they found was a car with an opened door and a
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knife and blood. that gave them probable cause to go in the townhouse and what they found inside shocked the most hardened law enforcement professionals. >> they found the gruesome discovery of two children who appeared to have been deceased and had appeared to have some sort of injuries to their bodies but also discovered a 5-year-old female in another room that was conscious. >> reporter: the children were found in the master bedroom. the mother was holding a fourth child, also stabbed. behind her, a friend, monifa sanford who police say helped her in the attack also had a stab wound to the neck. >> they attempted to try to speak with her to get some sort of an explanation and they couldn't understand what she was telling them. >> reporter: the mother, zakieya avery, attempted to flee the
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crime scene. those who know the family are broken hearted. >> there was nothing that made us think something like that was going on over here. it was very awkward and shocking. >> reporter: >> reporter: investigators say she told them she was performing a right of exorcism on her children. >> they believed evil children were in the children and they needed to get rid of the evil spirits. >> reporter: but authorities say there was no evidence that an exorcism actually took place. >> we found no bib kell -- >> reporter: instructions for exorcism? >> no officials types of instructions, no books, no other type of literature explaining -- >> reporter: no minister? >> no minister was on scene, to our knowledge, no. >> reporter: exorcism or not, prosecutors are charging avery with two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of attempted first-degree murder, eligible for the death penalty. family pastor dan of a church could not comprehend what might
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have gone wrong. this wasn't the family who attended his church. >> they were confident and happy. kids, you kind of get a feel for kids that are abused or neglected and that just did not fit these children. >> reporter: while no one at this point can determine her state of mind, investigators believe avery acted intentionally and knew exactly what she was doing. >> she didn't hesitate to basically try to evade us along with her son and, in fact, we believe that maybe she was trying to convince the others that what they were doing was okay and even the other female told us, oh, i'm okay. >> seen casarez is joining us live now. how do we know that the women are telling the truth? >> reporter: well, their first court appearance is going to be tomorrow and you're exactly right, they don't know if the
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women are telling the truth. both women told the story independent of each other to investigators that they were in the middle of an exorcism. but here's the thing, they've got nothing else to show that it was an exorcism. i was talking to george parnham who represented andrea eighties. he said that a good defense lawyer should get in there to the jail with a video camera because if she was in fact having a delusion that the spirits were in the children, she would still be talking that way. once she's on medication, those days will be over and once she gets to court, she'll look like she's very normal but tomorrow the court process begins. >> and two people involved in this. jean casarez, thank you. appreciate it. let's go to susan hendricks. a deadly accident at an industrial plant. two people were killed when a fire broke out. part of the building collapsed but all employees have been accounted for. at least four people were
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critically injured. kenneth bae, the american citizen being held in a north korea prison says he has committed a serious crime against that country. he was arrested more than a year ago. north korea will not say why. a new warning to tell you about from target to customers whose personal information was hacked. be sure an e-mail offering a free credit monitoring actually came from target. customers can go online to actually check that. the retailer says that similar offer scammers are being sent out. and the package of velveeta fails to because both are allergens. hundreds of dolphins captured and trapped in a cove in japan for an annual slaughter. it used to be a secret tradition and is now a worldwide outrage. ♪
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fishing nets in vain, trying to get back to open water. this develop fin bloodies its bottlenose trying to escape. snared into the infamous taiji cove, 200 dolphins will be sold to marine parks and aquariums. most of the others will be slaughtered for their meat. >> they hammer a metal rod into the spinal cord of the dolphin. the dolphins do not die immediately. it takes up to 20 to 30 minutes for the dolphins to die, where they bleed out, suffocate or drown in the process of being dragged to the butcher house. >> it's a brutal spectacle that in years past has turned the water red with blood for hours. organizers of the annual hunt for years have been able to keep cameras away, then came the movie "the cove." the documentary won an oscar and exposed the slaughter to the world. the filmmakers used a set up of hidden cameras to capture this village's hidden secret. despite the international outcry, the japanese government
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defends the practice, saying it's not only tradition, but no different than the slaughter of any animal eaten in western countries. >> translator: people are just thinking too emotionally about the dolphins, they want to protect them because they're cute and clever. >> we're going to have more on this story tomorrow night, marine mammal specialist who's featured in the documentary will join us. that's it for us. a special edition of "ac 360" is next.
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good evening and welcome to a special edition of "ac360 later." we are dedicating the hour to chris christie. there is breaking news. you will hear new evidence from a new jersey mayor. she says that it bolsters her claim that the christie administration held sandy recovery money hostage to her action on a real estate development that the cnn favored. you will hear others who say that it doesn't add up and people need to know whether their elected officials are serving the public. you can join the conversation, tweet us or weigh in on our facebook page. we'll show you commea
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