about frat bros on the "ridicu-list," it was about those guys who ingested wine through their posteriors. those are freaking rhodes scholars compared to these mlk frat bros. that's the thing. we're just plumbing the depths of stupidity here. to me it is terrifying, terrifying that these people made it into college without learning anything about what is appropriate human behavior and terrifying they've got an astounding lack of awareness to actually post pictures of it like it's the spring semiformal or whatever. plus it's the dumbest idea i think i've ever heard of. whatever happened to the good old-fashioned toga party? that's still a frat bro thing, isn't it? actually scratch that. i would not want to see what this particular group of morons would do if you gave them a bunch of white sheets.

look, i get some college kids are going to do stupid things. i get this generation of college kids seems determined to document it all online, where to live forever a permanent testament to shameless idiocy. perhaps that fact is punishment enough, though, on "the ridiculist." that does it for us. piers morgan live starts now. this is "piers morgan live." tonight, speak of the devil. not ann coulder, the rock star they call the prince of darkness. there she is. some republicans, too. and what she thinks of glenn beck's bombshell he may have destroyed america. plus, pot and other stuff. plus, the return of the prince of darkness, the other one. ozzy osbourne, still rocking hard at the age of, believe it or not, 65. ♪ he'll be joined by his wife,

sharon, and they'll be talking very frankly about what happened that nearly drove them apart last year. we'll start with our other big story. ann colter joins me now. how are you? >> fine, thank you. and you? >> i should plug your book. best-selling author, obviously. i find this fascinating. glenn beck said this on some show, i'm not sure, megan somebody on fox. >> he has a huge show and you don't know who she is? >> go back and be more uniting in my language, because i think i played a role, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart and it's not who we are.

now i look back and i realize if we could have talked about the uniting principles a little bit more instead of just the problems, i think i would look back on it a little more fondly. >> there we are, a great right wing pundit in america, finally admitting that, his words, not mine, torn this country apart with his partisan rhetoric. you're another one, a female glenn beck. >> i'm not the female glenn beck. i agree with him, he should be more like me, a uniter. >> a uniteer? >> yeah, that's what i am. >> how can you say that with a straight face? >> you call me the devil and say i'm a divider? >> i went shooting last week and one of my shooting partners sent us a picture to you. >> you had big guns. i was very happy for you.

let's talk about the polarization of political debate in america. glenn beck was quite brave to say what he said. if i'm being self-reflective, we mentioned guns. when i've done the guns debate, i can tell when i get over angry, and get a little bit abusive to the gun people, that it doesn't help the debate. it just intensifies the polarization and it means any kind of compromise becomes less likely. do you, like glenn beck, look back and say i could have calmed things a bit and been less polarizing? >> i was definitely too nice to hillary clinton. i think i was overly inthuz yas tick about chris christie about waiting to hear his amnesty position. >> what do you regret, though?

>> i just told you. >> but they're not proper regrets. are there any times you've gone too far? >> no, of course not. >> every single viewer watching this knows you've gone too far. >> no, i haven't. >> not a single regret about anything you've said. >> in public, about politics, absolutely 100% not. unless you go back to when i was 14 and briefly was a libertarian. >> i can't even imagine you as a libertarian. >> then i turned 15 and it was gone. >> do you have any empathy with what glenn beck says? >> i told you, i'm a uniter. i think it's fantastic he's going to try to be more like you. >> he's going to be the complete opposite to you. he wants to be, it sounds to me -- >> i don't know what he's talking, neither do you. if we knew, if he would say, look, right here, i shouldn't have said that. i can say i agree or disagree.

but i don't know. if the abstract, i do his radio and tv show, we disagree about some things. he's been a little tough on me, and glenn, i think you should take that back. >> let's try and be serious for a moment. >> i am. >> you're being increasingly divisive. >> you're part of the problem. i am the solution. >> you're never going to be the solution to anything. what he's saying is, look, the problem with debate in washington and america right now is on almost every hot issue, both sides take such polarizing positions, that compromise is never possible. >> i'll ablgs you seriously here. there are serious -- there are serious disagreements about things, without getting into the details, because i don't want you yelling at me. there's guns, abortion. we disagree. that is going to be a problem. this very day, going through back 50 years, to see how liberals describe their opponents and conservatives describe their opponents.

and it is from the left, you get the hatred and the claim of an evil heart, because as he said, and i think there is something to this, liberals feel like we're doing the lord's work and anyone against us is not just mistaken but an evil, bad person. he went through quote matching quote matching quote. and you can bring that it -- >> i agree with you. fox's political partisanship, if you like, it's nothing fox does msnbc hasn't been doing about chris christie. >> well, i've got to say, i don't have a job, so all i do is watch tv. if you watch no station but msnbc, you have no idea what they're talking about on fox. on fox, i promise you, they are reporting the chris christie scandal. one of the biggest scandals to real eye harm a republican presidential candidate, when george bush first ran, it was

days before the election that he had had a drunk driving arrest and weirdly enough, for driving too slowly home from maine. in any event, okay, who broke that story? and it hurt him. that story hurt george bush in the 2000 presidential election. who broke it? fox news. >> what's your point? >> my point is, you're never going to get a scandal against a democrat broken by msnbc. you are never going to get an articulate conservative on msnbc. it's just not a closed set of only liberals. you're allowed to hear conservatives on fox. >> what do you think of the chris christie scandal so far? >> i think it's the most boring scandal of my entire life. they're talking about northern new jersey traffic patterns? if we're going to talk about a highway, can it be the pacific coast highway or the road to ithaca, new york?

oh, my gosh, i can't watch my favorite -- >> you don't think that deliberately causing traffic mayhem around the busiest bridge in the world, potentially emergency services couldn't get to the elderly, is not a very serious story? >> let me clarify that i am massively opposed to chris christie, because he had his amnesty, i don't think he cares about the country, he cares about his wall street friends. i have no interest in defending him, and by the way, this idea that he's a bully is preposterous. he's a bully only to follow republicans. so not a lof of them defending him now. maybe he can call his pal mark zuckerberg or andrew cuomo. and yet, and still the one thing i need to say about this scandal is, if you've ever driven in from new jersey across the george washington bridge, you can't get off and go to ft. lee. it funnels you straight into the

bridge. so i'm not disputing that it was political retaliation, but the story does not make sense. it's like saying -- >> how does it help the republicans if -- >> wait, just somebody needs to explain, this does not retailuate against the people -- the people being punished are probably republicans coming to jobs in new york city. >> it backs up into ft. lee. >> no, it doesn't. you can't get off. >> you're the only person in the world that has said that. >> that often happens. >> yes, and you're usually wrong. that's the point. >> name one time. >> let's talk wider about the gop position here, because chris christie to many people is the most electable of all the potential gop candidates. here he is being brought down, not the least by the silent -- deafening silence from his own party, who haven't forgiven him for what happened with romney. is that helpful to the gop's

chances to beating hillary clint clinton? >> i don't think he was electable. george bush senior, bob dole, john mccain, have been big, fat losers. and the ones they tell us they hope they run like ronald reagan, they're the winners. so electable, it drives me crazy. i've been making this argument for years. some conservatives have picked that up, to make the argument that anyone, even if i say someone is more electable, that must mean he's unelectable. if "the new york times" tells you a candidate sun elect aboabi don't think kr christie was tha electable, other than the fact he would have been the most liberal candidate running in a primary. when i close my eyes and think of everyone who might run as president, maybe that's how he would have gotten through. >> is part of the problem is the

system means that when a gop nominee runs in those early primaries they face, they've got almost no chance of winning, if they are remotely moderate. >> are we talking about electable or moderate? because i don't think moderate is our most electable. what we want is principles, conservative, with such a high iq that when the main stream media is torturing him, you are still being articulate. i think of ted cruz and others. we have some terrific candidates coming up. christie was good going after public schoolteachers. but other than that, did you see his speech at the republican national convention? i flew in just for that speech. and it was the most boring speech i've heard in my lifetime. we have to hear about his kid's soccer games? attack obama for us. >> you'll get a chance to do that. we'll talk about president obama, about drugs and about

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back with me and ann coulter. author of "never trust a liberal." speaking of angry divisive rhetoric. >> let's talk about drugs. what is your view? president obama told the new yorker this week as has been well documented i smoked pot as a kid. i view it as a bad habit and a vice. not very different than cigarettes i smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. i don't think it's more dangerous than alcohol. sparked a big debate. pot has been in the news a lot recently. several states now have legalized it for recreational use. thoughts. >> i'm totally against the legalization of pot. not one of these i should be

legal for adults but not for kids. for one thing, it's illegal now. and kids, if you need it, i've never heard of anyone having any trouble getting it. if it becomes legal people will use it a lot more. >> the argument is there are a million people incarcerated for pot smoking when it is scientifically proven to be no more dangerous than alcohol. >> that is absolutely not true. >> it is true. >> but i'm going to taking one at a time here. during prohibition -- i'm going to go through it. >> so that isn't true. what isn't true? >> first -- >> what part of what i just said is not true? the number of people incarcerated or it's no more dangerous scientifically. >> the number because 90% are plea bargains. they catch a guy with six kilos of heroin plea bargain you down to pot. i just made that up. >> you invent statements like that to denigrate my statement. >> most people in prison are as a result of plea bargains. they were caught dead to rights,

here we'll plead you down. pot is so much worse than alcohol. >> it's not, though. it's not. >> as i was saying before you keep interrupting me -- >> sanjay gupta who is a nonpartisan brilliant doctor with a brilliant documentary, scientifically proving there is absolutely no evidence that cannibis is any worse than alcohol. >> it depends what you mean by -- i'm trying to answer but as soon as i answer you're going to interrupt me and say no it's not. >> then explain why. >> i keep trying to and you keep interrupting me. i'm going to explain now. so don't interrupt. look, the sole purpose for smoking pot or eating a pot brownie is to get high. that is not true with alcohol. >> yes, it is. >> people enjoy -- well, maybe you're a 14-year-old going to kegger parties still. >> everybody drinks alcohol to get slightly higher than when they start drinking it. that's the point of drinking alcohol. >> absolutely. i have done tv after drink. i bet you you have, too.

i'm drunk right no -- now. that would explain a lot of of things. have you ever smoked pot? >> wait, would you please let me finish one sentence, piers morgan? >> you're rambling. >> people enjoy wine. drink $800 bottles of wine. perhaps you have a warm feeling. you can tell if somebody's been smoking pot. their eyes are red, they giggle at everything, and by the way, they're incapable of carrying on the normal functions of life. >> have you smoked pot? >> no, haven't. >> none of your life? >> none of my friends because they're athletes. i'm around pot heads. look, pot heads can still get their pot. probably self-medicating. the more people who take it if it's made legal vastly more people will take it. it will be a disaster for commerce. >> why for commerce? >> because pot heads are incapable of following simple instructions and getting a job done. i used to carry around as my sole argument against pot legalization. >> are alcoholics a draw on the economy? >> to pick up in the middle of the sentence i was just on -- >> what do you mean by pothead? >> when i moved to a new place

in california there was a pool. a pool guy, i would come back and it's four feet down and it's covered with green mold and i call them up. he was a pothead. oh, i was there that day. i took three pictures and hence forth that was my argument. you can't get anything done with a pothead. >> what do you mean by a pothead? >> everyone knows what a pothead is. it's not smoking pot one time. >> how much are you assuming a pothead takes? >> enough so that it can be made fun of on tv by brad pitt in this movie. >> so not like a heavy drinker or heavy smoker? >> no. heavy smokers work all night and then die young saving the social security system money. for commerce, commercial purposes for the purposes of the good of the country we ought to encourage americans to smoke like mad. they'd be incredible productive and die young and not have long, lingering deaths. pot heads i'm going to be paying for their food, housing, now for

their health care apparently because they can't perform any useful jobs. can you imagine -- >> the vast majority of people take marijuana on a recreational basis are not by your definition pot heads. in the same way that people who drink alcohol are not alcoholics or heavy drinkers. >> once the cat is out of the bag you can't put it back in. that was the problem with prohibition. again to pick up where i was in the middle of my sentence. [ overlapping speakers ] >> during prohibition every alcohol-related disease cirrhosis of the liver, accidents as a result of alcohol went down precipitously. it will go up. this is how many pot heads we have when it's illegal. i think that's just about enough. >> let me ask you. nobody has ever overdosed on cannibis. did you know that? >> so what? they can't perform daily functions. they're going to be on my tax bill. >> do you accept people die of smoking and can overdose on too much alcohol? >> everybody dies eventually. >> that's your answer? >> to say people die of smoking. what's considered a smoking

death, any heart attack is considered a smoking death. >> the point is, the argument is that -- alcohol -- >> that's a true fact by the way. coming from someone who never smokes will be considered a smoking death. >> heavy consumption of alcohol or cigarettes is more dangerous to your health than cannibis. >> no, alcohol is good for you. you take out the category. have you been reading the science times? alcohol is good for you, you should have a glass a day. >> we'll have a glass after the show. and we'll test it. have you been reading the science times. study after study alcohol is good for you. you should have a glass a day or two. we'll have a glass after the show and test your theory. >> no, it's true. alcohol is good for you. pot is not good for you. it is very cancerous. now they're getting these young kids coming in having heart attacks at very young ages because they're pot heads. by the way it will save me money if they go ahead and die but they rarely go ahead and die. >> how humane of you. let's move on. president obama, also in "the new yorker" was talking about race. and he said there's no doubt that some folks really dislike me because they don't like the idea of a black president. on the flip side of it there are

some some black folks and maybe some white folks who give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because i'm a black president. is he right? >> yeah. >> you don't take issue with that? >> i don't mind that statement. let's go back to the pot statement. also if they smoke pot, before being fully developed, they become shrunken males with caved-in chests. >> don't be so ridiculous. >> they have no ambition, no work ethic. >> don't be ridiculous. >> no pulse unless you come out and try to take their pot away and then they are vicious and violent. >> would you rather be a heavy drinker or heavy pot user. >> how should laws be organized in a country? my guess is to make the country a better place, to make it more productive. to do that, laws should yes, encourage smoking and one drink a day. >> one drink a day. >> because it's good for you. >> so if you were running the country you would have one drink a day, one cigarette or two? >> some people are addicts.

>> hilarious. let's take another break. >> addicts shouldn't have anything. >> let's take another break. let's come back and talk harvey weinstein, the nra and guns. that should get you going. >> i'm just going to keep talk -- talking about pot. >> i know you are. sle... and go. and only national is ranked highest in car rental customer satisfaction by j.d. power. (natalie) ooooh, i like your style. (vo) so do we, business pro. so do we. go national. go like a pro. where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes.

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back now with ann coulter who's been arguing with me throughout the commercial break. you'll be unsurprised to hear. most of the people on twitter have a suspicion you're actually on some form of pot or other narcotic right now. which would explain your behavior. >> that's hilarious. but could we also point out that the first e-mail you read during the break was from your publicist telling you let her talk? >> she's from texas. >> are you dissing the entire state of texas right now?

>> i love texas. she agrees with what you have to say. clearly i have a difference of opinion. >> most americans do. because i'm a uniter. >> yes, you are. a great uniter. let's watch this. an audio of harvey weinstein talking about gun movies. first of all he talks to howard stern, which is an audio, then he talked to me to clarify what he meant. >> please don't show me a video. >> i don't think we need guns in this country. and i hate it. and i think the n ra is a disaster area. i'm going to actually make a movie, i shouldn't say this but i'll tell it to you, howard. i'm going to make a movie with meryl streep and we're going to take this issue head on. and they're going to wish they weren't alive after i'm done with them. >> i have to just choose movies that aren't violent or as violent as they used to be. and i know for me personally, i can't continue to do that. so the change starts here. >> okay. so what do you make of harvey weinstein making a stand against the nra? >> does he know the nra is not a

person and cannot have been born? speaking of who is stoned? no. i love this. he's made what hundreds of millions, a billion dollars making massively violent movies but he's going to pocket that and now, now he's against making violent movies. this is like somebody who has been polluting for 30 years. we need stronger pollution laws. >> what is wrong with people -- >> give the money back. >> what is wrong with a polluter finally realizing -- >> because it's hypocrisy. give the money back. go live in a trailer park and i'll believe it. >> that doesn't help the gun problem. oh, that doesn't help. i would. why would that make anybody better? >> it's utter hypocrisy otherwise. >> it's not hypocritical to say i have realized some of the stuff i've done has been unhelpful. >> i've made hundreds of millions of dollars. but now -- >> at the start of his interview you said i have never made a mistake, i don't regret anything.

harvey weinstein saying i think some violent movies i've made and others have made have been unhelpful to the culture of gun violence in america, and i'm going to stop making them. i think that is admirable. isn't it? >> first of all i did not say i've never made a mistake. going to law school was a mistake, i said in my public statements about political and public issues, there is nothing i regret or i think was divisive. again, i'm a uniter. i don't know how many different ways i can say, if you're going to go and do something, pollute water, be an insider trader, take the money, keep the money and then come out and you want a badge for saying now i think i'll come out against insider trading. screw you you're a hypocrite. >> what he said was -- >> then give the money to victims of gun crimes. >> maybe he will. >> no, he won't! i'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't.

>> okay. because i'll make sure he does. >> i mean every last penny. >> okay. let me put it to you. >> not some little donation like george soros would do. >> he specifically said what triggered it for him was what happened at newtown. here's what i found unpalatable. i'm going to try to be reasonable about this. >> i'm going to be armed. >> there have been 35 separate school shootings in america since newtown. not a single changed any federal gun law in that time. nobody on the pro-gun side seems prepared to relent about anything. not even background checks. to try and reduce the level of gun violence. why? >> you're absolutely 100% wrong. i've been writing about it, blogging it endlessly. every one of those attacks. you can see it on the timeline if you read my gun columns you'd know this. these are not caused by guns they are caused by the mentally ill. republicans need to pick up that issue. since the deinstitutionalization movement in this country, i have the numbers. decade by decade. how many spree shootings there

were like this. it was like one per decade for the first 200 years. >> how do you explain? >> let me finish the sentence. for the first 200 years of there being humans here, it was in the 70s it was right during the deinstitutionalization movement that suddenly you get these spree killings. by the way, look at them. james holmes in aurora, california. jared loughner. adam lanza, they are all obviously paranoid schizophrenics but we can't lock them up because of the aclu. >> how do you explain other countries who have some percentage of mental illness and yet because there is no availability of guns they do not have the gun violence? >> look, countries are different. demographics are different. i don't know what the mental health laws are. i can tell you if you compare the white population to belgium, we have less crime gun crime than belgium. >> you don't think the prevalence of guns themselves has any impact? >> it's a very diverse country. >> should the culture try and be changed?

away from a reliance and dependence on guns and glorifying of guns? >> no. obviously i think guns reduce gun crimes. but the idea that when one spree killing after another is committed by a crazy person that you think taking the guns away is going to do something. it's like draining an ocean to find a ring you lost. that isn't going to help. the crazy people go out and kill people with swords. the murder of school children during school time that took more lives than any other in this country's history was committed with a bomb. by a crazy person. >> so your answer to what happened at newtown would be, unless i'm misreading your logic -- >> lock up the nuts, yes. >> other than that. what about guns themselves? >> start issuing concealed carry permits to people who do not have mental health issues or criminal records. >> you would have more guns? >> yeah. >> okay. ann coulter, thank you very much. good to see you.

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♪ the iconic 70s hit paranoia by black sabbath to biting off head of bats, it's been a crazy train ride for black sabbath ozzy osborne.

and wife sharon, in just the latest chapter. sabbath is awarded during the grammys. sharon owns three nominations in the upcoming emmys. two of my best friends in show biz. >> yes, piers. >> you're older than me obviously. >> we haven't even started and there's abuse. >> i've missed you, sharon. i heard you cackling away in the green room there. i thought god i've missed that laugh. >> ozzy what a moment for you to get back with sabbath. >> i'm predictable in my whole career. 45 years to get a number one in america. >> amazing, right, after 45 years. >> and never got three nominations for grammies. every show is sold out. it's been an amazing year. >> number one in 13 countries around the world including america. did you ever think this would be happening to you? >> absolutely not. i'm 65 years old. wow couldn't have happened at 19. >> 65? you look bloody good for 65, ozzy. >> thank you.

my wife's cooking [ laughter ] >> what was the last meal you cooked, sharon? >> oh, don't be ridiculous. >> we were talking about 1973. it was burned. >> sharon, what do you make of it? you've managed ozzy's career for a very long time. this incredible renaissance of black sabbath. the grammies will be a big deal. three nominations for the band. pretty special, right? >> it is special and it's well deserved, too. my goodness, they've all paid their dues over and over and over again. and they were the sort of anti-social band. they were never the critics' favorite. their first album rolling stones said this will never last. you will never hear from this band again. and here we are.

and in fact, rolling stone deigned to do a big piece on the band and they said no, we remember that. >> grudges, ozzy osbourne. 45 years of grudges against rolling stone? >> all along the day in the early days no one gave us anything good about us. >> they were the people's band. they were the people's band. never never in the media. people weren't interested. >> what is the secret, ozzy, for longevity? so many bands -- >> if i knew that i'd make a fortune if i knew that. we've always been a band not on the mainstream. we've been an underground following. it's proved by the fact that after 35 years being solo black sabbath got number one record in 13 countries and three grammy nominations. that's big. so every seat in every concert. and we're going to arabia now and all these different countries. >> amazing, isn't it? at the same time, last year the equally tempestuous famous osbourne marriage. what went wrong about it? >> i started abusing

prescription drugs. and sharon said, i'm out of it. i can't deal with this anymore. >> let me see what sharon said at the time on "the talk" about this. >> everybody knows he's been struggling with this his entire life. and i never knew that he was using prescription drugs. i knew he was drinking occasionally, but i didn't realize to the extent. it's our business. we're dealing with it. we're not getting divorced, however. [ cheers and applause ] >> however, am i happy? no. am i upset? yes, i am. i'm devastated right now. >> how do you feel when you watch that, ozzy? >> well, it's out of my control. [ inaudible ] i can't drink.

but if i don't do what is suggested to me, these meetings, do therapy classes and whatever, i'll fall back down that hole. i've been fighting it since 1982. i've been that many rehabs. in and out of these programs for years. and these people say you've got to go to these meetings, do this. if i listened to them i'm okay. but then when i start to think oh, i know better than that, i don't think i'll go today then i end up back in the bottle again. >> you said this about it i thought was extraordinary powerful. like water drips from a tap and you go for it, and no reason at all you think i'll fancy a drink. your head will say have one. next thing you know you're scraping yourself off the garage floor three days later. it's like having a haunted head. these voices saying don't worry about it, ozzy. you're doing a deal with the

devil. it's a disease of the mind and body and you can't control it. >> that's exactly right. last thing i want is to break my wife's heart. i love her. >> i've never met a couple, i've got to say in the whole of entertainment, that i have thought had a closer, more passionate, loving relationship. so i was really shocked, i'll be honest with you. i didn't like seeing how upset you were, sharon. obviously you were devastated. what did you feel when you found out what ozzy had been secreting, because it was behind your back. did you fear that this might end the marriage? >> it was more hurt. i was very, very bruised. i was hurt. but it also -- ozzy had been drinking for a year and a half and i never knew. and it also kicked me in the ass because i'm like, well, what kind of marriage do i have that i don't know that this is going on? and what kind of marriage we had was, i tend to get married to my work. and i'm like, well, it's not just him, it's me, too. and that takes time.

it takes time to actually take all of that in because the first thing you do is just like it's you it's you it's you. then you go now hold on a minute. >> you must have had a moment, ozzy, when it all blew up when you thought i may have lost sharon here. >> oh, absolutely. she was in the hotel, staying in a house that she rented. and it was miserable, lonely. yet again i'd wake up in the morning look in that mirror and go you've done it again. you might have done it permanently this time. because sharon and my family have been putting up with me going in and out, in and out since 1982. i'm not proud of it. i'm very pissed off with myself. >> do you think you'll be able to avoid falling off the rails again? >> i cannot say yes and i can't say no. because it's cunning, powerful and baffling. my head will say, go on. just go on have one drink.

anybody would so-and-so. but then the same voice will say the next morning as i'm scraping myself off some bar floor or something, see, you can't do it. you shouldn't do it. >> it's a lonely battle, isn't it? sharon knew nothing. your kids knew nothing. the band didn't know anything. this is all a secret kind of devil thing that's going on. >> when you start hiding bottles in your own house, and sharon would have a bottle of wine and drink one glass. and i'd go take the cork out and drink it. until one day she said have you been drinking my wine? i said no. then you start lying. you start why do you always pick on me. >> how did you woo her back? >> well, it was very difficult. she was really upset with me. i don't blame her. >> we had cappuccinogate. >> what was that? >> ozzy came around to have a talk at the hotel that i was staying at. i told him, i was like, this is divorce. this is it. this is what i want. i want this, this and this.

and then it's over. and had he -- he goes, you can't have it. and i was drinking a cappuccino. and it went on his head. >> i was wearing a coffee pot for that day. she had ripped my shirt. i was walking through the hotel. >> cappuccinogate. what was the moment for you, sharon, where you thought i'm going to take him back? >> you know what? you put up this front. because it's what you should do. you feel this is what i should do. i can't be seen to be weak. i can't let somebody disrespect me this much. so i have to come out with this. but in my gut i knew, i'm not going anywhere. but i have to give him a hard time, because if i don't, it's going to happen in two weeks again. >> you've been clean how long now? >> just over ten months now, coming on 11 months now. >> which is a great achievement.

i know how difficult it is for you, how difficult it's been over the years for you. >> it's hard. especially when you come off the stage and you've done a great concert. that's when it all starts. you want the party to continue. what i do i get in the car and go. i don't socialize with people in the bar after gigs. i don't go there. >> you're never going to find another sharon. >> no. >> and she's never going to find another ozzy. >> we're meant for each other. >> we can't have this ending. it's too important. i don't mind black sabbath splitting up. they're not a real band. let's take a break talk more grammys, more happy stuff and a bit of justin bieber. i know sharon's got a few views on mr. bieber. i want to extricate them. what makes olive garden's 2 for $25 better than ever? rich, irresistible parmesan! the star of our new 2 for $25 menu. choose two melt-in-your mouth entrées topped with decadent parmesan like tender new parmesan crusted chicken or creamy new parmesan crusted tortellini. two appetizers.

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♪ ♪ in my head ♪ >> black sabbath, "god is dead," grammys, three nominations here, coming to the grammys in a bit. in other news about justin bieber, and it made me think about what you went through as parents, and young teens who rebelled, they get into problems with drink and drugs. what do you make of it, sharon? what is going on with justin bieber, do you think? >> you know, i think some of it is just his age, he is 19, you know, successful star and money and youth is not a good combination. it rarely is.

very few people handle that situation well. and he is not handling it well. and i feel bad for him because i do give him a hard time on the show. i always joke on his behalf. but it is -- you know, and i think back to my kids, what were they doing then? but jack was already two years sober then. so it is like you know what? he needs somebody to give him a good slap and a good talking to and bring him back down to the real world. >> and as a family, they're doing great. jack did this extraordinary thing, he came in third. let's watch a little clip from that. ♪ ♪ ♪ i used to love watching it just to see you falling apart. there you see, it was not easy

to watch. just incredible. he did so well, right? >> well, the quivering lip o-- >> i'm the prince of darkness. >> what do you make of it? >> i couldn't be happier. jack is my hero, he has been diagnosed with ms. and when he was on dancing with the stars, i thought this is one show he is not going to do, he never danced in his life. >> every osborne i knew has just got this competitive spirit. you just want to win. >> he is absolutely great, and has given us a great granddaughter. >> a little girl. and she is now single. i love the quote. you said let the auditions begin. but kelly is like a mini-me, isn't she, really? >> she is. she is. and you know, it is -- that is why we always say, don't we,

engagement, engagement, you know, you never go oh, i love you, i love you, too, engagement. engagement. >> so suited to women's rights. >> get engaged, try it out that way. >> and the grammys is happening on sunday. what would happen to black sabbath and to you? >> it is up in the air, i'm going for it. what we are doing is the tour -- >> oh, my gosh, you're going every way. they're doing the hollywood bowl in april. they're going to canada next. in april, and then they're going all through europe. i mean, they go to moscow within two days. >> do they get on? >> it is great, better than ever, nobody is drunk or stopped. we all remember what we're doing. >> tell us the story about the last time you did hollywood bowl. >> 1972, i think, we got banned

for being too loud. >> you're going to try to get banned again? >> i don't think we can go around for the next one. >> and the beatles, the remaining two beatles, paul mccartney and ringo star, getting together to celebrate the 50th anniversary on the sullivan show when they first broke america. as a huge beatles fan, what do you make of that? >> i think that is great, i went to see mccartney, you stand there and go how many hit songs has this guy written? two and a half hour show, everyone is going oh, i remember that, i remember that. their body of work is unbelievable. >> amazing, isn't it. >> i can remember the first time i heard "she loves you." i was walking, and that changed my life. i thought that is what i want to do. they had great songs, didn't they? >> amazing, just the greatest band they can be. black sabbath, now on itunes,

the talk airs weekly. you osbornes are everywhere. you have invaded every aspect of my life and i love it. >> and you missed me. >> i do miss you. >> look at the figures. ozzy, great to see you guys back together. sharon, come and give me a kiss. lovely to see you. we'll be right back. [ tires screech ] [ car alarm chirps ] ♪

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