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kill those boys, then who did? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com here in the midwest, several young girls went missing. some were found murdered. others were never found at all. good evening, everyone. breaking news in a story "360" first brought to national attention, the strange disappearance and mysterious death of an african-american father in texas. also, a judge gets set to hear the case of the reportedly brain-dead woman whose body is being kept alive against her family's wishes because she's pregnant. and later, what's gotten into justin bieber? his arrest today and odd behavior? dr. drew pinsky's on the case tonight. we begin, though, with breaking news in the death of alfred wright, who vanished last november. his family found his body nearly three weeks later, two weeks after local authorities gave up searching in the exact area where, ultimately, his body was found by his own family. the local sheriff told them there was no sign of foul play.
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the family's alleging a murder and cover-up. now, after deborah feyerick's reporting put a spotlight on the case, there is a late, new development tonight and deb has details, working her sources and joining us now. what are you learning? >> reporter: what we can tell you, anderson, is the justice department, attorney general eric holder is being contacted about looking into this case. congressman sheila jackson lee from the houston area of texas met with the wright family yesterday for several hours. she had seen our three-part investigation here on "ac 360" into the death and experience of alfred wright. we spoke to her chief of staff today. he says they are drafting a letter as we speak. that letter's going to go to the justice department, attorney general eric holder, as well as the u.s. attorney in beaumont, texas. we have no specifics just yet on the kind of investigation or assistance they're going to ask from the justice department, but it would include things, for example, like civil rights allegations, hate crimes, corruption, corruption within law enforcement. and the texas rangers have been
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asking the fbi for assistance. right now, though, there's no new information on the status of the investigation either from the rangers or from the fbi. this investigation by all accounts seems to be moving very, very slowly. >> i should point out, the investigation was already handed over by the local sheriff to the texas rangers, who asked for fbi assistance, correct? >> correct, and it does appear the texas rangers are the ones who are really taking the lead on all of this. you ask anybody down there in texas, they say, oh, the texas rangers, they're like the fbi, but of that region, but they are looking for a wider assistance, and that's what the fbi's sort of on standby for right now. >> deb feyerick, appreciate the update. next to the dallas area, where an emergency hearing is set for tomorrow in the case of marlise munoz. her family says she's brain-dead and never wanted to be kept alive like this, but because she's pregnant, the hospital is keeping her on a ventilator. tomorrow her husband will ask a judge for permission to disconnect the machine, claim her body and lay her to rest.
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today we got new details from inside the icu where marlise munoz's body has been held since september and hear more from the judge who will hear the case tomorrow. marlise munoz's husband has made new statements about his wife's condition. what's he saying? >> well, this comes from a court filing made late this afternoon. it's an affidavit that erick munoz, the husband of marlise munoz, has given to the judge that will be hearing this case tomorrow afternoon in ft. worth, and it really details the sadness and the horrific scene inside that intensive care unit where marlise munoz's body has been since november 26th, the night she collapsed of an apparent lung clot, blood clot in her lung. in it, erick munoz says "when i bend down to kiss her forehead, her usual scent is gone, replaced instead with what i can only describe as the smell of death." he goes on to say "one of the most painful parts of watching my wife's deceased body trapped in a hospital bed each day is the soulless look in her eyes.
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her eyes, once full of the glimmer of life are empty and dead. my wife is nothing more than an empty shell." and erick munoz just also goes on to say that all he wants to do is be able to put his deceased wife's body to rest. there is no mention in this affidavit of the fetus, anderson. >> so, the emergency court hearing that is request and and set for tomorrow afternoon, what do we know about the judge in the case? >> well, it's interesting, the judge is a lifelong ft. worth, texas, resident, had been in private practice as a civil attorney at one of the most prominent law firms there in ft. worth, also worked for a time as an assistant federal prosecutor in ft. worth as well. by all accounts, a very well-respected person. he is a republican. most judges in texas are elected officials at this level. however, he was appointed by texas governor rick perry in 2010 to fill a vacant seat. he won re-election in 2012 and is not up for re-election again
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until 2016. >> and marlise munoz, i mean, she's been kept on ventilators, her family says against her own wishes, for nearly two months. do we have any idea who will be responsible for those medical payments? >> reporter: you know, this is interesting. it's something we've been asking, you know, from the very beginning. we reached out to john peter smith hospital and asked them what will happen with the medical bills that have been incurred in all of this, and we got a one-line statement from the hospital today. this is from a spokeswoman for john peter smith hospital where they said the billing department at the hospital "will review its customary procedures for identifying payers and reimbursement." so, it seems clear that they expect to be paid for the medical bills that have been incurred over the last nearly two months. we do know that in various phone calls we've made, we tried to reach out to marlise munoz's employer and the insurance company that we believe, where she is sponsored and has her insurance with. those two groups said that they could not speak or offer any more details because of privacy
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issues, but that is clearly something that -- and i spoke with erick munoz's lawyers a couple weeks ago and they said that that is something that they anticipate and will have to deal with once they get past this emergency hearing tomorrow. >> wow, a whole other side to that. ed lavandera, thank you. sunny hostin and mark geragos are completely divided on this. also ob/gyn dr. lisa masterson and also attorney and children's advocate areva martin. areva, this affidavit the husband filed with the court tonight, obviously incredibly emotional stuff. what effect could it actually have legally, if any? >> i think it's going to just bolster the argument from the husband that his wife has been determined brain-dead and to continue to force her to jestate this fetus is just cruel, not just to the wife, but the family as well, and i hope the court takes, you know, note of a 1999 case, anderson, a very similar situation. a 34-year-old woman in a tragic
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accident. her common law husband fought to keep her on a ventilator to allow a fetus to jestate, but once they were able to show that woman was brain-dead, the court ordered that the ventilator be turned off because you should not be maintaining the life, so to speak, of a corpse. and i hope in this tragic case that something very similar happens tomorrow at that court hearing. >> mark, when you hear details about the judge, a republican, is it possible this could come down to politics or would politics be involved in this? you've said all along this is an offshoot of the battle over abortion. >> and that's always my fear is that somebody is going to read not the law but the political winds. by all accounts, the way that he was just described, sounds like somebody who should be, you know, if you believe what comes out of the right, a strict constructionist, if they read the law, this case will be done tomorrow. and let me just say one thing. i mean, you hear those words in
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that declaration, and shame on people who are putting this father through it. i mean, i hate to sound like a scold, but shame on them. this is just unbelievably gloulish. it's beyond the pale. i realize that we get ratings on cable because of it, but it really is utterly, utterly ridiculous to keep a cadaver there as some kind of a vessel for fetal tissue that is abnormally -- i mean, that has no chance whatsoever of springing forth life. it's ridiculous. i said it last night. this is nothing more than a proxy or a trojan horse for the abortion battle, and it's disgusting. >> sunny, i mean -- >> wow, fetal tissue. >> sunny, the fact is nothing's written down. there were conflicting reports about this, but her wishes -- her husband says it was her wishes all along never to be kept on life support. she's a paramedic. the fact that nothing's written down, does that influence you on this? >> well, it doesn't in the sense that it doesn't influence the law, it doesn't change the
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analysis. the law is very clear that even if there was an advent directive that says, listen, unplug me, that directive is disregarded in favor of the statute -- >> because she is pregnant. >> because she is pregnant. and i think what's so interesting about people like mark and others that are sort of dancing around the issue, and i think at issue is, now that the mother is allegedly brain-dead, according to mark and others -- >> well, according to the husband. >> according to the husband and mark geragos, her autonomy sort of ceased with her death, right? so, this is not a question of her right, it really is a question of the child's right -- >> then whose right is it? >> -- at this point. it's the child's right, and i think -- >> well, i have one question for you, sunny. >> mark, i think when you look at the statute -- >> let her finish. >> what about the husband's rights? >> the husband's rights over the -- >> the husband has no rights. >> -- wife's body. that doesn't make sense, mark. >> one at a time. >> we've been talking about this
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hospital as if they're somehow doing something noble, and you just saw in that package that their billing department says we're going to customarily go after whoever we want. >> they're following the law. they're following the law. that's not noble? >> they're following the profit motive. they're following the profit motive -- >> let sunny respond to the question about her husband. >> -- everybody and the insurers. >> let sunny respond. what about the husband, does he have rights? >> again, people have been framing this issue as the mother's rights. if the mother is brain-dead, then the rights that are really at issue are the fetus's rights. >> let me bring in dr. masterson. dr. masterson, we talked about this a little bit last night after we learned the fetus seems to have medical problems. you say there is little research of fetuses surviving in the womb after the mother is brain-dead, that it is difficult to replicate the conditions of the female body with machines. if that's the case, then the longer this goes on, the more difficult it becomes, correct? >> correct. actually, it's a very tragic situation, because even if it is prolonged, just like i said before, the fetus probably will
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have -- the baby will probably have some defects. definitely, if it actually lives. the question, as we said before, is that this is still a woman's choice, and we don't know if she would still do anything in her power to have this baby live or to try and sustain this baby, and that's what the court is trying to determine, if she did. now, there is a time clock, because actually, roe versus wade, the state comes in at 24 weeks, because then the fetus is deemed viable. so, that's why this is an emergent sort of court situation, because right now they're still taking the mother's right of choice into power right now, would she have wanted to have done everything she possibly could, because mothers change their mind when they're pregnant. >> areva what about that? her husband and her father are saying, look, she never wanted to be kept in this kind of a state. the counter argument which sunny has made is, look, she didn't say that when she was pregnant or we don't know if she said
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that when she was pregnant. does that convince you, areva? >> this is a very educated, smart woman. she didn't have to go line by line and delineate what she meant when she said she didn't want to be kept on life support. her wishes are very clear. >> oh, come on. >> this is troubling to me. and anderson, i'm a children's right advocate, so people say, areva, you should be advocating for child, but no one's talking about the psychological impact. can you imagine a child being born and has to learn they were gestated in their dead mother's body for months? >> i think that's such a ridiculous argument. [ everyone talking at once ] >> guys, guys, guys! guys, seriously. guys, seriously, stop. no one listens when you all are yammering over each other, so areva, finish your thought, then the others can weigh in. >> it's not ridiculous at all. it's a reality here. we're gestating a fetus in a dead woman's body. and when jahi mcmath was
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determined brain-dead, the hospital said we don't treat brain-dead corpses and stopped all medical treatment, so the same should apply in this young woman's case. she she's brain-dead. stop the treatment, allow her family to bury her with grace and dignity. >> dr. masterson? >> but not if it's actually keeping a fetus alive. i've seen mothers go to all kinds of extremes. like if they ruptured their bag of water 24 weeks and their baby had very little chance of staying alive and they stayed on bed rest for all that time. is that a corpse, a mother on bed rest? she is still doing something -- >> they were alive. they were alive. >> but it is physiological -- >> they were alive. >> again, mark, mark, your point is that there is a difference between being in a vegetative state or being in a coma and being brain-dead. >> absolutely. >> well, look, anderson, i don't know how many nights in a row we can try to explain the fact that she is not alive. in every jurisdiction, she is
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dead. it is a cadaver. and to force the husband to have to sit there and look into the lifeless eyes, as he says, and just smell death and to have this done, and at the hospital, which i'm more appalled than ever by this statement that they're going to continue their usual billing practices. shame on this hospital for misinterpreting the statute that says you don't give -- there is nothing in that statute that informs the hospital to take the actions they're doing. it's a complete abomination. >> that is not true, mark, and you know it. that is not true. the statute is -- >> we'll see you tomorrow, sunny. you'll see it tomorrow. >> we will, because the statute is silent after that, which means it's open to interpretation, which means it's unclear. and if you look at the history of this judge, this judge made it very clear that judges shouldn't be legislators. >> just for a fact what the statute actually says is about life support that if taken away then ends the life of the patient. but in this case, the argument is the patient is already dead. you say the patient is also the fetus. >> that's right. >> so, that's where your
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argument is. sunny, mark, dr. masterson, areva martin, appreciate it. again, hopefully, this will be resolved tomorrow. we'll find out what the answer is. follow me on twitte twitter @andersoncooper, tweet using #ac360. let's talk about it on twitter. up next, did what mike huckabee say today affect women voters? and this is stunning, a microphone picks up what richard sherman said to michael crabtree right before crab tea took a poke at him. was it more trash talk like sherman's postgame rant seconds later or something else entirely? we finally have the answer, and it may put to rest what a lot of the people who attacked that guy on twitter were saying about him. we'll play the tape for you. wow, this hotel is amazing. oh no. who are you? who are you? wrong answer. wait, daddy, this is blair, he booked this room with priceline express deals and saved a ton. yeah, i didn't have to bid i got everything i wanted.
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tonight in "true politics," republican efforts to win back women voters and comments made today that democrats are pointing to as an example of why they have a hard time doing just that. former presidential candidate mike huckabee talking today about birth control coverage and the affordable care act at the republican party's annual winter meeting in washington. >> if the democrats want to insult the women of america by
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making them believe that they are helpless without uncle sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it. >> supporters of governor huckabee say he's mocking democratic views towards women. that is not how the democrats are viewing the comments. debbie wasserman schultz says "mike huckabee has no idea what he's talking about. if this is the gop rebrand a year later, all they've done is gotten a year older." huckabee made the remarks at a conference where less than an hour later, reince priebus held a meeting on gop rebranding. >> alison, how can the party better connect with independent women on our conservative principles? >> i think right now there's an opportunity to reach out to women. >> the gop chairman surrounded by republican women talking about the outreach program he launched a year ago after mitt romney lost heavily to president
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obama among women and the party lost a number of what were expected to be fairly easy senate races in part because of republican candidates and gop supporters saying some things like these. >> if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that god intended to happen. >> what does it say about the college coed, susan fluke, who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex? what does that make her? it makes her a slut, right? >> back in my days, they used bayer aspirin for contraceptions. the gals put it between their knees. >> again, with statements like those, political professionals, including inside the republican party itself, agree it hurt the party among women at the polls. the party commissioned a study formed by rising star group as you just saw, held boot camps talking to women, spent millions
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on the effort. consultants have gotten in on the act, including burning glass consultants, an outfit formed solely to help republicans reach women. take a look at their website. you can see this in big letters -- "for our clients to connect with women, they must learn to communicate." and with midterm elections coming up, that could be key. some perspective from chief congressional correspondent dana bash. you were in the room when governor huckabee gave the keynote speech. what was the reaction? >> well, keep in mind that he was speaking to republicans, and so, it was a red meat crowd. so, for the most part, they kind of got what he was saying, but then afterwards, talking to people who were kind of in the business of communicating and trying to turn the party around with regard to women and people who they've been doing poorly with, they definitely were admitting privately in the hallways that this was not exactly what they had bargained for. look, they asked mike huckabee to give this luncheon speech because they know that he has historically been a conservative who knows how to deliver a message to folks in a way that
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will connect, but this isn't exactly what they were thinking. >> as you mentioned, republicans obviously made it clear they're trying to look for ways to broaden their appeal to women. i mean, that's what this speech was supposed to be about, right? >> that's exactly right. what mike huckabee said and sort of the wind-up was that republicans don't have a war on women, that republicans have a war for women, and what he was trying to get at by talking about women's libido and about birth control was that women are not victims of their gender and that democrats believe that that is the case. he was trying to make the case that women should be empowered and republicans can help them do that. but again, by talking about birth control and by talking about women's libidos, even some people who are very close to him, some of his most ardent supporters, again, in the hallway said to me, you know what, using the word libido, not a good idea. one even said to me, anderson, can you text him and say you shouldn't do that? i said, no, that's your job, not mine. >> but as you said, a lot of
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republicans in the room got what he was trying say. >> yes. >> the flip side is the democrats wasted no time pouncing on this, trying to make as much hay of this as possible. >> oh, absolutely, because again, that is the whole reason why mike huckabee went down this road, because they understand inside the republican party that democrats have been very successful about branding republicans as waging a war on women. that's why during this three-day meeting that the republicans have been having here in washington, they have been trying to urge republican candidates to not just, as rnc chair said to me, take a punch, not to just be sitting ducks. they want to be more aggressive in fighting back in order to try to appeal to women. the problem is that the road to appealing to women has pitfalls when you don't articulate it the way that you should, and democrats, as you said, wasted no time in pouncing. they put up a video online in about a half an hour, and
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they're trying to frame this in a way that republicans would rather not. >> yeah, it's on a lot of liberal websites, as well. dana bash, appreciate it. thanks. >> thank you. well, today the nation's best-known fugitive from justice held an online q&a session and the nation's top law enforcement officials signaled a willingness to talk with him back home. nsa leaker edward snowden answering detailed questions about how he got hold of some of the intelligence community's biggest secrets. and earlier, attorney general eric holder telling msnbc he would engage with snowden's lawyers. now, he ruled out amnesty for snowden, then a short time later at another venue, he added another condition. >> if mr. snowden wanted to come back to the united states, enter a plea, we would engage with his lawyers. we'd do that with any defendant who wanted to enter a plea of guilty. and so, that's what -- that gives a little context to what i said. >> well, snowden, you'll recall, obviously, is in russia, says he's in no position to return to the united states.
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he said so during an online chat session. joe johns joins us now with more. so, he responded to holder's comments during this live chat today. what exactly did he say? >> well, cnn's jake tapper asked snowden in this chat under what conditions he'd agree to return to the united states, anderson. and snowden said, "returning to the u.s. i think is the best resolution for the government, the public, myself, but unfortunately, it's not possible in the face of current whistleblower protection laws, which through a failure in law did not cover national security contractors like myself." he wants to claim whistleblower protection, which isn't available in a situation like this, with no mention here of pleading guilty, as the attorney general suggested. and talking to lawyers familiar with the case, any plea agreement between the government and snowden would have to be air-tight in writing, because once he steps on a plane back to the states, it's over, and he's done. that's what one attorney familiar with the case said to me tonight, anderson. >> and clemency is out, has the government indicated what kind of a deal they would be willing to make, if any at all?
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>> no indication at all. there is really no benefit we can see here except ending snowden's fugitive status, getting resolution and coming home. you start with these charges in the criminal complaint that's been filed, charged with theft of government property, violating the espionage act. a former justice department official said you can be creative in fashioning a plea, but there is absolutely no way of telling what doj or snowden would go for and what type of penalty he'd serve. there would have to be a negotiation, which isn't out of the question, frankly, especially because you get a snowden trial and it could expose more sensitive information that the government doesn't want made public, so don't rule it out but don't bet on it. >> all right, joe, appreciate the update. thanks. a quick programming note. i want to give you half an hour notice so you can really get ready for this because you've really got to watch this thing. it's awesome. tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern, cnn films presents the film "the imposter." i've seen this, i love it. i've seen it multiple times. i don't want to say too much about it.
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welcome back. unless you've been asleep all day, you know there's more trouble for justin bieber. the 19-year-old star has a rap sheet and a grinning mugshot to go with it. police say they caught him drag racing down a residential street in miami beach before dawn this morning. he's charged with drunken driving, resisting arrest and driving without a valid license. the drama was caught on this video posted on instagram, apparently shot at the drag race.
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>> right there, he's right there! >> what are you doing? >> oh, my god, he's going to get in a crash! [ screaming ] >> please! >> oh, my god, justin just got pulled over. >> justin got pulled over. >> oh, my god. >> could have done without the audio, couldn't you? me, too. oh, my god. it's bieber's first arrest, apparently, but anyone who's been following his exploits lately may have seen it coming. [ bleep ] >> what'd you say? >> reporter: justin bieber's squeaky-clean image began to erode last march. he clashed with photographers after a brief stay at the hospital due to feeling woozy during a concert the night before. it was a strange march for bieber. he had to leave his pet monkey, mally, behind in germany when he tried to enter the country without proper documentation for the pet. mally was apparently a gift for bieber's 19th birthday. in april, before a concert in the netherlands, he visited the anne frank house and was criticized for his message in
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the guest book. "anne was a great girl. hopefully, she would have been a belieber." then there was this -- >> that's the coolest spot to fish. >> reporter: bieber is videotaped urinating in a mop bucket while he and his entourage are on their way out of a new york city nightclub. after bieber's deposit, he makes one more stop, spraying what appears to be windex on a photo of bill clinton and ex-claims -- later apologized to the former president. later, his home was swarmed with a search warrant after a charge of pelting his neighbor's house with eggs with $20,000 damage. charges are still possible as the investigation continues. police say ecstasy was found at the singer's home and one of his friends was arrested. money whi brings us to today. just after 4:00 a.m. this morning, bieber behind the wheel of this yellow lamborghini, is arrested by miami police after they believe he was drag racing. he's charged with dui, driving without a valid license and
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resisting arrest. bieber's arrest report details a litany of profane language directed at police. "what the f did i do? why did you stop me"? he reportedly said. while the officer performs a pat-down, "i ain't got no f'ing weapons, what's this about?" after the arrest, he had more statements to make. >> mr. bieber made statements that he had consumed some alcohol and had been smoking marijuana and had consumed prescription medication. >> mr. bieber, you are charged with the following -- >> reporter: after a brief court appearance, he's released on $2,500 bond. >> $1,000 resisting without violence, $1,000 for the dui and $500 for the expired driver's license. >> reporter: and as he exits court, he waves to screaming fa fans. showing true beliebers still on his side. >> it certainly seems like we've seen this story many times before, especially with young
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celebrities who have spun out of control. joining me tonight, dr. drew pinsky, host of hln's "dr. drew on call." back with us, legal analyst and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. dr. drew, is this just a rich teenager ac teenager acting like a rich teenager? is it somebody who never had a childhood acting out or is there something more serious going on? >> that's been the question all along. i'm concerned something more serious might be going on. i don't know yet, but the fact that we have a dui, driving under the influence, which is not really a normal relationship with alcohol. he had substances in his car, and perhaps abusive prescription medicin medicines. we don't know what the prescription meds are, but he was using sizzurp with code yum, which is an opiate. i'm greatly concerned we may discover these are opiates in the car and if this is the case, this is coming into focus as a substance abuse disorder. >> mark, you've certainly had high-profile clients with very public legal issues. how do you deal with something like this from a legal standpoint? i mean, it's not just an issue of guilty or innocent when it's in the public eye like this.
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>> no, it isn't, because everybody's on high alert. and the way a case would normally get dealt with, you don't get dealt with, i always say god saved me from celebrity justice. the thing about it, though, is, as i try to explain to either prosecutors or judges, look, you've got somebody, you've got a kid who is in his early 20s, i believe, same age as drew and i have boys. and if you give them that kind of money, it's a recipe for, you know, these kinds of actions. i mean, it's just a tough, tough situation. this is something you have to deal with as the lawyer. you've also got to deal with the client and getting the client to understand that you just can't buy your way out of these things. you're going to have to -- there is a heightened level of scrutiny when it comes to somebody who's in the public eye. i don't care who you are. >> at this point, he's actually 19, so he's not even yet in his early 20s. dr. drew, though, i mean, these guys are surrounded by, you know, an entourage of sicophens,
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basically, and it seems like in justin bieber's case. and also, i mean, he's been working, you know, and earning money, i guess, for his family, and no doubt for himself. >> right. >> and all these people around him for a long time. >> right. >> there is a permissive attitude of all the people around these people usually, isn't there? >> yeah, there is several layers to the comments you're making here, anderson. and first of all, yes, of course they make lots of money for lots of people, including themselves, and they love their work. if, indeed, this is a substance abuse disorder, the number one reason my celebrity patients don't do well is they don't take the time off work and/or they go back to work prematurely. it happens all the time. there is also the issue of the sick offense around the individual. in the world, he would be ubrought to a physician and the physician would say you need months of work of structured treatment that we're going to focus before we send you back to work. i'm relieved to hear mark say that the attorneys are looking out for the client and not just focused on getting them out of the legal mess they get
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themselves into, because the legal mess may be the only thing that gets this kid's attention. >> do -- go ahead, mark. >> it's interesting, anderson when you ask that question. i always jokingly refer to what you're saying as the nickel and dime crowd, the 5% and 10% who are making money, and it's in their interests to keep these people working as opposed to getting the help that they may need. i mean, i've publicly been in a situation where i've dropped clients off at rehab and i put them in a situation -- you know, i am not going to say who it is, but i've told various clients, you know, you can stay with the crowd you're with, but i'm not going to remain your lawyer. so, you can go get somebody else. and sometimes, even though certain clients may be annuities, you just take a stand. >> mark, some very frank lieutenant from l.a. last week told the press what a huge pain bieber was. it certainly can't be easy for these police departments to deal with celebrities like this, i mean, or i guess, their lawyers, no offense. >> well, i try to -- you know, i
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think i've got a pretty good relationship with both lasd and lapd, and i try to maintain that, but you know, they've got a very difficult job. everything that surrounds these guys, everything, you know, the celebrity generates this buzz. drew and i have shared clients/patients countless times, and there is kind of a tug-of-war. >> yeah. >> drew, there is part of me that thinks, though, look, this is a 19-year-old, you know, young man who has, as i said, been working nonstop for a long time, earning an awful lot of money, been allowed to do basically whatever he wants to do, and at a certain point, i mean, you could argue he's making the mistakes that a lot of people that age make, just that they're not in the public eye. >> absolutely. >> the dui thing i think is maybe a different thing. >> right, that's right, it may be a different thing and that's what we're starting to wonder tonight, if this is starting to come into focus as a more serious medical problem. the other thing about what mark was saying, you don't want special care for celebrities. i hope the cops don't treat them
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specially, because if you treat them specially as a physician or medical team, you end up with a conrad murray situation. that's where special care goes for people like this. he needs good standard care. >> mark, good to have you on, dr. drew as well. thanks. >> you bet. >> dr. drew will have much more on justin bieber, his behavior and escalating problems tonight on "dr. drew on call" at 9:00 p.m. eastern on hln. just ahead, a california mystery deepens. a double murder becomes a triple murder weeks after the first bodies were found. also tonight, terror at an apartment complex for seniors, as a fire breaks out. the latest in the casualties in a live report from the scene, coming up. for the new mattress models
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"crime and punishment". tonight a murder mystery in florida has deepened. it began as a double homicide and a missing persons case. a woman, her fiance and younger brother are the victims. that led to a love triangle, crime of passion angle, but now a new development complicates the story. casey wian has the latest. >> reporter: 22-year-old elona flint was getting off work at a mall on christmas eve and her fiance's brother was there to pick her up. she didn't have a car, so the arrangement was routine, but whatever happened next was far from it. both of them are victims of a shooting. >> even though she was shot twice, she was still able to call 911 for herself and sal. >> alona died at the scene. sal died at the hospital. >> in looking through the evidence at the scene, it does not appear that any sort of robbery took place during this incident. >> reporter: the shooting confounded investigators. they and other family members
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then looked for alona's fiance and sal's big brother, johnny belvedere, to tell him the two people he loved most were gone, but they couldn't find him. he had disappeared. >> if you hear me, please, call me, call your family. we do need you right now. >> reporter: johnny and sal both reportedly worked at the family's italian restaurant in nearby lakeside. alona worked in the mall, which was open late for holiday shopping. andrei brionas is one of her closest friends. now her image is on his arm. >> i got her tattoo ed on me. she was with johnny for a long time. they loved each other deeply and she really cared about sal. >> reporter: police released a description of a possible suspect, male 5'9" to 5'11", tan pants, unknown race, but they wouldn't discuss a possible motive in the killings. with johnny missing, media speculations involved a love triang triangle. >> there was a lot of idiotic
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speculation that johnny had something to do with the shooting or that he had possibly harmed himself, that he might have fled, that he was in a jealous rage and did this. anyone that knows johnny and alona's relationships completely understands that there is no possible way that could have ever happened. >> reporter: then, more than three weeks after the killings, a break. johnny's car is discovered 100 miles away in a riverside, california, fast-food parking lot. >> i noticed that car there for like a week and a half. and i never smelled an odor coming from it. >> reporter: but one passerby did and called police. inside the trunk they found the decomposed body of a young man. an autopsy revealed through fingerprints the body belonged to johnny belvedere. police will only say he was the victim of a homicide. and now the search continues for the killer of three young people. >> you will forever be missed but never forgotten. >> it's a bizarre story. casey wian is joining us now from l.a. how close is law enforcement to solving the case, do we know? >> they're not saying a lot,
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anderson. both law enforcement in san diego and in riverside are in the forensic stages of their investigation, going over the evidence that they have collected. they are meeting tonight. we do know that. and san diego police have announced they're going to have a news conference tomorrow to discuss this case. so, perhaps we might get more information at that time, anderson. >> all right, casey, thanks. a fire tears through an apartment complex for seniors. it's feared a number of residents could not get out. dozens are missing right now. we're going to have a live report. plus, what really happened for seattle seahawks' quarterback richard sherman's so-called rant? what exactly did he say to michael crabtree that touched off such a firestorm? the answer may surprise you. it's probably not what you think at all. hear it for yourself. [ male announcer ] if you can clear a crowd but not your nasal congestion, you may be muddling through allergies.
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there is a horrifying story unfolding right now in the canadian province of quebec. the aftermath to a fire at a senior apartment complex. we went on air, the official death toll was at 3 with about 30 others missing. paula noonan is joining us now on scene by phone. i read that most of the people who lived there were over the age of 85 and that most of those missing needed wheelchairs or walkers. any update now on the number of missing? what happened? >> reporter: no update so far. it's 3 confirmed dead and 30 missing, but anderson, it's a grim scene there. obviously, they're working through the night and temperatures now approaching minus 30 to try to get these people. but in trying to douse the fire, anderson, they poured so much water on the site. it is now, the site has collapsed, plus it is completely encased in ice. it is painstaking work as so many relatives wait on the sidelines. unfortunately, police telling us it is going to be several more hours before they know exactly how many people may have died on that scene. >> just -- i mean, sounds horrific. do they know what caused the
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blaze? >> reporter: not at all. they say they're investigating and say they're not ruling anything out, including any kind of criminal activity. but yeah, i mean, everyone's just completely puzzled. the building wasn't that old and they don't know what happened. and i think there's so many people in this town who live so close, they could hear the screams, anderson, from the older people. so many people went over to the building to try and help, but in the end were overcome by smoke. other people tried to help taking people to the hospital. i mean, the town is completely in shock, and now they've got this work ahead of them just to try and figure out how many people actually perished. >> just awful. i understand that they had smoke detectors in the rooms, but only water sprinklers in parts. >> reporter: yeah. i mean, the building was in two separate areas. thank goodness there was a fire wall between two buildings, but wares learning now, one side of the building had sprinklers, which means it will give more time to people in wheelchairs and walkers to get out. unfortunately, people on the side of the sprinklers, there
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weren't as many as there should have been. authorities aren't clear, but definitely, that side of the building was where most of the people have died and where they just couldn't get out, no matter how loud they screamed for help. the flames were just too much. you saw, you could see from the pictures, i mean, people in town said it went up like tissue paper. >> that is just horrible. paula newton, appreciate you being on the scene. thank you. other stories we're following in the "360 bulletin." at least three people are dead after a massive pileup on snow-covered interstate 94 near michigan city in indiana. several vehicles, including tractor-trailers, were involved in the incident. here in new york, five reputed mobsters are indicted on charges straight out of "goodfellas," accused of a string of crimes, including a 1978 la tonsa heist at jfk airport, $5 million in cash and nearly $1 million in jewels never recovered. seattle cornerback richard sherman has taken heat for his rant about san francisco receiver michael crabtree after the seahawks' victory on sunday, but a new video shows exactly
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what happened just before he made those comments. crabtree shoved him in his face mask after refusing to shake his hand. here's what happened starting with the last play of the game. >> kaepernick takes the snap, looks, fires near side, going for the end zone. ball is picked up! it's picked off in the end zone! [ inaudible ] >> hell of a game! hell of a game! >> so, there it was. he tried to shake his hand, said "hell of a game." that's what he said. coming up, why i can now honestly say that i am a dump. the "ridiculist" is next. insurance id card - gots all my pertinents on it and such. works for me. turn to the camera. ah, actually i think my eyes might ha... next! digital insurance id cards. just a tap away on the geico app.
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attention of the "360" staff. this is on ebay advertised as the mini cooper. it's pretty accurate, the jeans, the hoodie, the head has a trigger-control for the nose and mouth. i know, ventriloquist dummies are terrifying in general, but when you think about it, why do they have such a bad reputation? they're not creepy at all. ♪ >> what do you say we get down to business? >> thank you, rod sterling. now i'm paranoid that mini cooper will come to life, hunt me down and haunt my dreams, but you know what, that was "the twilight zone" from the early 1960s. times have changed. honestly, i'm psyched there is a dummy of me. it makes me want to learn more about the art of ventriloquism. ventriloquism. that's what i want to learn more
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about, ventriloquism. ventriloquism. the only lesson i've ever had was in fr "best in show," of course. >> i understand that you went to the circus. >> i did. i saw the hat lady. hat lady -- >> fat. >> hat lady. fat, fat, fat. fat, how do you say "f"? >> yeah, except before i try to learn how to throw my voice, i think i have to master the art of regular talking, how about that? in all transparency, we tried to do this -- oh, thank you. are we really going to play this? this is actually the second time we have tried to do this segment. we tried to do it earlier this week. let's take a look. aye-yi-yi. >> why do ventriloquist dummies -- times have changed. ventriloquism -- ventriloquism. times have changed. kind of makes me want to learn
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more about ventril -- no, i am not going to keep going. it kind of makes me want to learn more about the art of ventril -- [ bleep ] ventriloquism. listen, it's not the easiest word to say. have you seen ricky gervais's derek? >> i'm doing my puppet act, my -- what is it? ventriloqui ventriloquism. what is it? >> ventqu -- >> what is it? >> ventriloquism. >> ventriloquism. so, getting back to the mini cooper, our track team of investigative journalists found out that a artist, chris, in york, pennsylvania, spent about three months sculpting and creating and finding the perfect little new balance sneakers. this is actually basically what i wear every single day. the staff was also quite intrigued by the buy it now price of this ebay listing, $360,000. chris told us he doesn't actually want to sell it. the price is an homage to the
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name of this program, a reference which initially sailed right over our heads, frankly. the artist also said some very nice things about mini cooper being a tribute to me, which i very much appreciate. to put it plainly, i'm touched and honored to be a dummy on the "ridiculist." that's it for us. "early start" begins right now. "early start" begins right now. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com oh, man, snow, sleet, ice, single-digit temperatures. millions hit this morning by a deep, deep freeze, including many places you would not expect. we're talking chaos on the roads, shutting down major interstates. authorities warning many just to stay home. we have what you need to know from the cold zone. good morning, everyone. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. >> i know, you're going to have to close your eyes when you look at your heating bills this month! i'm christine romans. what a winter it's been. it's friday, january 24th. that's the good news, it's friday and it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. >> we need that friday
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