comments. 15% say yes, 85% say no. wouldn't have predicted that. >> from the left i'm stephanie cutter. >> from the right i'm s.e. cupp. erin burnett "out front" begins right now. next, a big development tonight involving richard sherman. he has just been fined by the nfl. tonight, our interview with the controversial cornerback. plus, the president says conservative media says that's why he can't get some things done. is that fair? new details about justin bieber's blood alcohol content. we'll talk to cory feldman and lindsay lohan's father. let's go "out front." good evening, everyone. thanks for joining us. i'm don lemon in for erin burnett tonight. flirting with pot.

changing marijuana lawness this country following in the footsteps of president obama who said marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol and slammed the unfair penalties for some users. texas governor rick perry, a staunch conservative, also weighed in on pot. >> what i can do as the governor of the second largest state in the nation is to implement policies that start us towards a decriminalization and keep people from going into prison that can destroy their lives. that's what we've done over the last decade. >> well, his spokesman then clarified saying the governor doesn't support the l word, which is legalization, but believes it's all about states having the right to make their own laws. it's just like white house press secretary jay carney who also backpedalled his boss's headline grab on pot saying the president's position on legalizing marijuana has not changed. so why are politicians flirting with pot but no one really wants to commit? what are they afraid of now?

joining me now is miguel marquez who has been covering colorado's experiment about marijuana. he knows everything you want to know about pot. >> and then some. >> and trish regan. she's the author of "joint ventures inside america's almost legal marijuana industry" and former senior drug policy advisor to president obama, kevin sibet. kevin, i'm going to start with you. here's what the polls are showing. the public is clearly behind marijuana. why are you and your former boss, president obama, willing to back legislation? >> well, i think, first of all, we have different polls. the ras mucin poll showed it was majority opposed. washington post poll showed it even. the cnn poll, your poll with orc as well as the gallup poll showed differences. this is about creating the next big tobacco. the reason the american medical association is on the side of opposing legal sales of marijuana, the reason why the

american society of addiction medicine and almost every major medicine association is we know this will create the tobacco industry of our time. we have people selling candies, edibles and all of these sorts of things that appear to kids. loly pops. a 2-year-old girl went to the e.r. last month for a pot cookie that was legally bought. i think, don, that i feel like legalization has made a lot of people rethink whether this is the right thing or not. they said that the supporters have overstated this whole issue about what legalization is all about. >> kevin, i think tobacco is the tobacco of our time. this is the new thing. miguel, you spent a lot of time with people who want to see these -- who want to see legalized marijuana. they want to see how washington state and colorado how it goes there to figure out how they'll make up their mind. is this helping or hurting that state? >> it's helping. any time you have conservative

politicians coming out saying decriminalization, let's be honest, that doesn't mean legalization, that means basically not going -- not putting people in jail for it. >> very different. >> very, very different from what colorado and washington state are considering right now. >> yes. >> so to me politicians do this all the time. they try to split the hair. perry is someone who's looking at a presidential run and he's looking at some ground where he can placate both. >> trish, you spent time covering this -- >> hang on, kevin. >> you spent a lot of time covering this and your documentary, marijuana, inc., ahead of its time when it came to talking about the business of marijuana and legalizing it. can this country not afford to do it? >> it is a tremendous business opportunity. there he is a 25% tax that they've instituted on all recreational marijuana. they're estimating that they're going to get about $70 million

as a result of that off of about $600 million worth of sales. so, i mean, it's tough because you don't want to say, we're just doing this for economic reasons, but at a time when states are really hurting and they're needing this kind of revenue, this is obviously a very attractive opportunity for them. >> kevin? >> trish, you know this as well as anybody. for every dollar in alcohol and tobacco tax revenue that states gain and the federal government gains, it costs us 10 in soes social cost the. this is wonderful tax revenue was the lottery. >> no, but here's a problem. people are going to do this regard zblls sure. >> it happens and so all the money that you're spending it look up people -- >> it's -- >> you can spend money on education programs. portugal decriminalized all drugs ten years ago.

all the money they spent locking people up and puts them prison, they've put it into education programs. drug usage, especially among the youngs has declined. >> in colorado it shows overwhelmingly it's older people. it's a baby boom generation. >> there's a lot of tourists. i'm looking at new numbers now out of colorado and a lot of them are tourists. they moved 60 to 65% over to the retail side. >> no one wants a 2-year-old to go to the e.r. but is that part of the argument? a lot of people end up with their parents' prescription drugs and don't end up in the hospital. >> you're exactly right. >> those are legal drugs. don, those are legal drugs we're talking about y. would we want to expand access and availability for another legal drug. >> one of the advantages is if

you are taxing and regulating it, you have the ability to avoid the 13, the 14-year-old getting access via the underground market. the idea here is to get rid of the underground market. >> speaking of that. the attorney general, eric holder, says legal marijuana sellers should have access to banks. how important is this? actually, this is absolutely, positively critical. i have a been out in colorado and the measures that they have to go through to deal with all of their cash because they can't actually use a banking system. how do you meet pay rolling if you're only operating in cash? they go through elaborate measures to make sure that this cash literally doesn't smell. so, in other words, you buy some pot, they take it, put it in a bag and put it in a sooeld room because if the bank smells it and it will smell like

marijuana, because all of these dispen sarris do, they say, no way, you're done. >> what does governor rick perfect have i have to say? i feel like we're having these conversations and clearly the public wants this to happen. if the public are voting, then it will be -- >> i think now is probably fine. going forward i think will be a problem. we have a situation in kansas where a woman apparently died in custody after being arrested, being denied her medical marijuana. it will be difficult to regulate on a stait by -- state-by-state basis. >> we need to make that distinction. rick perry is talking about justice reinvestment. that's different. treating this like a health disease is what we want to do.

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playing the woman card. kathy mcmorris rogers posted this on instagram preparing to

deliver the address at the address. the timing is very interesting on this. it comes one day after democrats slam the gop for wagging a war against women because former arkansas governor mike huckabee said this. >> if the democrats want to insult the women of america by making them believe that they are helpless without uncle sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription every month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it. >> joining me now ryhan salaam and hillary rosen. i saw him -- >> uncle sugar. >> uncle sugar. is this picture from kathy mcmorris rogers, is this republican party doing damage control, do you believe? >> one thing that's important to keep in mind is that kathy mcmorris rogers is actually a member of congress in office right now. mike huckabee is the host of a

television program, not an unpopular one. he's not some official republican spokesperson. i also think it's important to keep in mind that if you are going to fault mike huckabee, it's for being ungenerous to democrats rather than insulting women. he was characterizing how democrats think about women. he wasn't saying that women themselves are people who can't run their own lives. >> hillary, i hear you laughing. you've got a smirk on your face. i have heard conservative media say, hey, listen, his comments are being taken out of context on the left. what he's basically saying is that democrats are being condescending to women. >> well, first of all, i've never heard any democrat say that women need to control their libido as a rationale for legitimate family planning and birth control, so these words are actually a figment of mike huckabee's imagination. that's what mike huckabee obviously thinks about women to put those words in somebody else's mouth. it is ridiculous and

disrespectful and obnoxious for him to kind of frame it in this double negative. and i think it's actually so off key that people couldn't even quite figure out the point he was making that mike huckabee says that's how legitimate it is. republicans don't seem to do very well talking about women and birth control. they ought to just stop it. >> should he have not possibly used the word libido? is that the buzz word that got everybody going, do you think? >> i have a different word. there is someone, louisiana governor bobby jindal who intervened. he said the problem is it's not over the counter. the cost would go down dramatically. he's a staunchly pro life governor who said that. if mike huckabee had said rather than have the government give

people this item let's make it more accessible, let's see to it that women can make that choice themselves, that would be a smarter strategy. >> you know, hillary, it wasn't just the picture of kathy mcmorris rogers, they released this of her with her kids. there's a video running. this is a step in the right direction. i want to move beyond that. we're talking about conservatives. i want to read you something that the president told david recommend anything of "the new yorker" about gridlock. the issue has been the inability of mind message to penetrate the republican base so that they're persuaded that i'm not the caricature you see on fox news or rush limbaugh. can the president blame fox news for their problems? there are liberal outlets who do the same thing on the other side. >> well, i think he was just talking about his own characterization and i think it is true that his words and his intentions are completely blown out of proportion by not just

fox news by so many in the republican party who really are focused much more on an election strategy than they are on governing. we've seen that time and time again. >> the question is should the president be above that? isn't the president above that? like you don't punch down? >> i think, you know, the president is expressing a frustration that is very real, which is if there was an environment where he could just have an actual communication about policy with people that often in the past have agreed with many of his proposals and now they reject him for political reasons, then that's a legitimate frustration for him to express. >> is he giving them ammunition by speaking about this? >> well, here's the fundamental problem, don. the problem is there are a lot of people including women who serve in the obama administration who say that this is a difficult guy to work with. there are lawmakers, democratic lawmakers who feel as though he's just been tremendously difficult in helping them

achieve their goals. it's not just republicans. so i have a feeling that the president sometimes wants to shift blame to other people for some of his failures as a communicator, as someone who's building coalitions. >> is it women or just the truth. go ahead, hillary. >> i don't think he is shifting blame. >> sounds pretty explicitly what he's doing. >> no, i think what he's saying is he needs more and more outlets where it's just him talking to the american people and that's what he's going to do in the state of the union. he's going to put out aggression and we'll see if kathy mcmorris rogers actually comes back and agrees with anything that he says or commits to working with the white house on behalf of the republican leadership on any of the issues that he raises. i think that this is a big test next week to see whether this next year gets started. >> the president has given many big set piece speeches and it doesn't appear as though there's been a huge boon to his popularity when he does that or his ability to work with

lawmakers including lawmakers within his own caucus. he can give a speech and that's terrific. i don't think that that's going to make it a huge difference. >> we'll be watching the pre president's speech tuesday. a woman spend two years traveling the world with her husband. now she has disappeared while visiting family in texas. richard sherman's antics have cost him from the nfl and the latest on justin bieber's arrest. they weigh in on how much of bieber's problems are his own fault. this is interesting.

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tonight a frantic search for a woman who mysteriously vanished after returning from a two-year long trip around the world. she and her husband traveled the globe for nearly two years before returning to the u.s. last month. the couple was about to move back to denver to start looking for jobs when leanne disappeared. anna cabrera has details. >> reporter: leanne and her husband josh had been on an amazing journey. they took a safari in tanzania, climbed mount kilimanjaro, snorkeled along the great barrier reef. for two years they lived the ultimate adventure traveling the world without a major mishap. a month after returning to the united states bearden disappeared. >> i knew after three hours something was really wrong. >> bearden's husband reported her missing a week ago. he says she went for a walk while visiting her parents and never returned. at first he thought she decided

to explore, maybe became injured and never returned. >> she could be ten miles away. cut up, this looks like a nice rocky drainage ditch, it's pretty. she could have slipped. >> reporter: that was one theory. as hours of searching turned into days, loved ones descended on garden rich texas. dozens of volunteers have searched on the ground and in the air around the area where she was last sceeen. >> reporter: yet days of searching have turned up nothing, not a single sign of the 33-year-old. >> it's tragic. it's heart wrenching. i feel for josh and the family. i was down there all this past week and trying so hard to do everything we can, scour every inch of ground in that area. we probably covered privately over 100 square miles. >> the couple was supposed to move to denver last tuesday. friends in colorado are spreading the word, raising money for private investigators

and search dogs. the garden rich police department in texas is investigating and now resources from across texas are on the way to come up with a formal search and rescue operation. as precious time ticks by, family members are growing more worried and more desperate. >> we have to be doing something. the waiting is the worst part of this. the waiting and not knowing. >> anna cabrera joins us. she has been missing for a week. it's freezing. how concerned is the family about the weather? >> certainly that's a concern, don. it was relatively mild, in the last week. just last night there was that cold front that moved in. they saw temperatures dip into the 30s, icy conditions. that's a big concern. i talked to her brother who says everyone's trying to stay optimistic. she was in great shape, he said. she has run nine marathons. she's climbed mount kilimanjaro. she could survive the elements.

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half of out front. a rare look inside iran tonight. the big question is are the u.s. and iran on the same page when it comes to the historic nuclear agreement brokered last november. iran agreed to dismantle some of its equipment. just two days ago iran's foreign minister made headlines around the world when he told jim schudo that iran did not agree to dismantle anything. jim is on the ground in tehran. jim, what are people saying about their government and relations with the west? >> well, don, i've been coming to iran for more than ten years. i sense more openness, more excitement about improved relations with the west with the u.s. what you will not hear though from iranians is any waivering and support for the nuclear program. like their leaders, they view it as peaceful. they view it as their country's right. the emotion, welcome certainly warmer. my producer when we entered the mosque, an iranian woman came up

to her when she found out she was american and gave her a hug and a kiss. we're seeing that and what i do sense across the board is exhaustion among average iranians, exhaustion with their country being ostracized by many other countries around the world and that exhaustion is driving a sense for positive change and a sense that things might change, a hope that their lives might improve. average iranian's lives might improve if iran's relations with the left might improve. police today released the 911 call made minutes after a man was shot allegedly because he was texting in a florida movie theater. the voice you're about to hear is a nurse who was on the phone with police and is also working with patrons in the background to keep the victim, chad olson, alive. >> someone doing chest compressions and do a pulse? >> come on, buddy, breathe, breathe. >> the 911 dispatcher tells the

nurse paramedics are on the way and goes on to ask about the shooter. >> where is the shooter, do you know? >> he's in the theater still. >> okay. do you know what he looks like? >> um -- >> do you know or you're not sure? do you know what the shooter looks like? >> yes, i do. >> can you give me any description? >> he's right behind me. >> well, the nurse goes on to say the shooter still had his gun. 71-year-old retired police officer curtis reeves has been charged with second degree murder and claims he fired in self-defense. there are new problems tonight for george zimmerman as we showed you yesterday. zimmerman has this new painting mocking the state prosecutor who charged him with the murder of trayvon martin. the painting closely resembles this. now the photographer is alleging

copyright infringement. john phillips tells "out front" he will be sending a cease and desist order to zimmerman today. the next step, phillips says, will be to determine what damages have been caused to the photographer and the a.p. let's talk about justin beeb perfect now. not legally drunk when he was pulled over for drag racing in miami beach yesterday. according to a source close to the investigation, the teen pop star blue a .014 during a breathlizer and .02 is the legal limit in florida when you are under 21. still, bieber did fail a field sobriety test. he admitted to drinking using marijuana and taking prescription pills. bieber has been tight-lipped since his release from jail other than posting this picture of himself next to michael jackson on instagram. the caption, what more can they say? our next guests have plenty to say about this. child star cory felledman is here. michael lohan is lindsay lohan's

father. jim moray is chief correspondent for inside edition and katrina zish is an entertainment journalist. let's talk about the biebs. cory, you were friends with michael jackson. you see this photo put on instagram with what more can they say? how do you react to that? what do you say to that? >> well, obviously the first thing i kind of giggled but, i mean, the only thing that i could think is that obviously he in some way in his mind is comparing himself to michael bay saying he's a victim as michael was a victim, you know, of public ridicule, and i think that's probably what this is about. look, they're trying to ridicule me. they're trying to make me look like i'm some crazy kid, some bad kid. in fact, it's just problems everybody goes through. he's defining his innocence. absolutely not. at the end of the day, acting irresponsible, putting people's

lives at risk is not a joke. it's not the attitude anybody wants to see from him. >> i want to put up another photo of justin bieber shortly after his arrest. in it justin bieber is reportedly hanging out with his father. there appear to be bottles of beer in the shot. there it is right there. you had a relationship with your father that contributed to your problems with drugs and alcohol admittedly. you say that. is this concerning to you, cory? >> it's very concerning because at the end of the day, what this means is that he's in an environment where it's being condoned, where it's being egged on. they're treating him like an adult. they're giving him that kind of liberty and freedom. again, it goes back to the same problem. when you have a child who's not being treated like a child for the latter part of their youth, teenage years, they grow up very fast and they tend to believe that, hey, i'm getting a police escort one day. these people have my back. they're behind me. they're going to let me get away with whatever i want. my parents what i'm doing is

the right stuff. it's acceptable justifiable. we need to let him know, it's not okay. it's not okay for the parents to act that way or the parents. >> i want to bring in michael lohan now. justin bieber's father is reportedly out with him. today he defended himself. i can protect my kids but i can't protect them from you and the lies. believe in the truth, not of the lies, of the enemy #reallife. as a parent of a celebrity, right, who has had her fair share of trunls it's been reported, does that look like a road you've been down with lindsay? >> yeah, it's very, very familiar, but i do have to agree with cory. you know, it's one thing to be around enablers, your friends, body guards, management, staff around you, but when it comes to parents, i just can't fathom a father drinking or a mother drinking or partying with their kids. it's just -- i mean -- and especially if i heard his father was actually holding up traffic

so they could race on the street. i've had a major issue with enablers. as far as people lying about what's going on, look, a blood test, a field sobriety test doesn't lie. pictures don't lie. so you can call it a lie all you want, but what you see is what you get. >> yeah. jim -- >> i just have a problem -- yeah. >> jim, just because he was not legally drunk, that doesn't mean that he is out of the woods yet, does it? he was still charged with dui. he admittedly was using alcohol and other substances. >> well, the bigger problem is, don, it's not an isolated incident. this is just one of a series of incidents that seem to be escalating. michael is correct. look, i read the report as well that indicated that justin's dad may have been actually holding up the traffic to enable his son to go on that drag race. now imagine if somebody was hurt. imagine if justin were hurt. imagine as a parent how you'd feel. then you take those photos with the alcohol and then there's a suggestion that his mother may

have given him the prescription drugs. i think the investigation is going to look at whether the parents were involved in giving justin bieber the prescription medication and/or the alcohol. >> all right. katrina, you're sitting here patiently. what are you hearing about the inner circle? you're an entertainment journalist. are they concerned? >> they're reportedly very concerned. they're urging him to go into rehab for months and he sort of scoffed and laughed it off. i don't need rehab. for what? now this has become what we're all hoping is a wake-up call for him is that he can get over this as a small bump in the roads if he gets on track. if he ignores this and continues to scoff it off as a big deal, he can be at the precipice of a dangerous downward spiral. >> they're talking about me, i'm popular. it's really not good when whoopie goldberg said on "the view," this is the worst thing

can happen with you. >> cory, you've witnessed this. it's from 1989. it's a video diary, "me, myself, i." in it, cory haim is talking about the direction of his life and his image. take a listen. >> the direction in my life right now that i'm trying to, i guess, proceed with in the business is gradually from being the little boy from the younger brother trying to get to be the older brother or the only brother. >> this was on slate.com. it compares him to justin bieber. when you see this video of cory and when you look at what's going on with justin bieber, do you see the similarities? is it fair that slate.com would make the comparison? >> absolutely. absolutely. you know, every time i see cory, of course, my eyes well up with tears and i get very heart broken. as you know if you've read my book, i talk about him in my book, and not badly. i talk about the damage that he went through prior to the point that he started acting this way,

before he started acting out, before he started being quite unruly and doing drugs and things to damage himself. at the end of the day it all came from the fact that he did not have the proper up bringing. once again, it goes back to the parents. all of this happened because he was allowed to be in situations he should have never been in. people had access to him that they should never have had. there was way too much trust put into the adults around him by his parents. that's what you see with justin. i'm starting my own talk show next tuesday and we're going to be hitting this very hard on film on tv so i heope you can zblach three florida police officers were suspended with providing bieber with an escort to a strip club. will that factor in? >> core ry brought it up. one night he's being given an escort, the next night he's

being arrested. i don't understand. i can empathize with what corey is sake and michael. as a parent of the celebrity and a celebrity, it must be like you don't know what real life is. the best thing about corey is he surviv survived. the best thing about michael, his daughter is doing well now. the big danger is justin bieber won't get help before it's too late. >> you set up my next question perfectly, michael. i want to ask you. there have been reports that lindsay has fallen off the wagon, that she is using substances again. how is lindsay doing? >> lindsay's doing really well. i think we saw that. first of all, the producer of "lone survivor" would not have taken stock in lindsay if she's doing well. everyone has good or bad moments. she's not drinking or using. she has times when she reflects on things in the past. i do want to reflect on one thing. this i don't believe is a bump in the road for justin at all. for him to be drinking and using

prescription pills at this time at this age, that's a major issue that's going to lead to a place he does not want to be. and like corey was just saying about his radio show hitting this hard, i mean, i started a treatment center called dream recovery. that's exactly what we address. we try to nip it in the bud. like corey said, you try to find out what it was, what the genesis of addiction started at. what was the core issue or the trauma that led him to drink or use? it's not just people or the environment that creates that want or desire to use. something made you want to drink to numb the sorrow and numb the pain. >> you speak so eloquently here. i'm sure at times you wish your daughter would follow. it's not that easy when you're the parent of a celebrity, is it? >> no. here's the difficult part. you can be sober. i went down the wrong path, too, but i learned from my mistakes and it took an epiphany and a car accident that cost me my

life to get back on track. the thing is, you can tell your kids -- you can advise your kids what to do and they may listen, but when you tell your kids what to do and how to do it, they're going to back off or they're going to run in the opposite direction. so it does take the people around them that care to really -- you know, to try to get them into a situation to get help. justin needs help and he better do it now. >> especially when the kid is the one who's making the money and is the bread winner. >> absolutely. >> i wish i could talk to you more. >> i'm really hoping that this does serve as a wake-up call for him and that he really gets the message because he's a great star. he has so much to offer the world and his fans still love him so much. 24 is his moment to really turn things around and be an example. >> thanks, everyone. i promise to get you in more, katrina. thank you. be sure to tune in tonight for justin bieber's "wild ride." it airs at 10:00 p.m. fascinating conversation. still to come, richard sherman's actions on the field

now costing him. it's a media firestorm. now he has to pay.

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breaking news. seattle seahawks star richard sherman has just been fined by the nfl. the outspoken cornerback will have to fork over more than $7800 for taunting at this past sunday's championship game. we're joined now. this is breaking news. what have you learned about this fine, rachel. >> first of all, let's be clear. nobody wants to give away $8,000, but compared to an nfl salary, this is not a huge fine for a player. it is for unsportsmanlike conduct for taunting. it is for the choke sign that

richard sherman made at quarterback colin kaepernick. this was after he made the play that saved the game for the seahawks and sent them to the super bowl but before he did the out birs to aaron andrews that got so much attention. have you to keep track. game-saving play, choke sign to colin kaepernick. that's the taunting that got fined. >> one, two. >> then we have the outburst that enraged half of america. the other half of america love him. >> all the endorsements that he's getting, right? >> absolutely. >> you did a full interview that will air tonight. people are saying richard sherman is going to be on cnn. >> yes, our richard nichols. i want to play a part of it. let's listen. >> people like with muhammad allali and the backlash, people are comfortable with not being able to expect things and control things. not being able to put people in boxes and them stay in those boxes. maybe i'm a kid from the inner

city that they wish wouldn't have gotten out of the inner city and expressed himself in this way. maybe that makes people uncomfortable. maybe people don't like to see a success story like that. maybe it's -- maybe that's what it is. i really couldn't tell you. >> you did have the choice to go either way early on. did you consciously think either way, oh, i could join a gang or i could go in this direction? did you mull it over? >> there was always that temptation. there was always that temptation. this guy has the nice car, he has -- you know, he has everything you want. he gets a lot of the girls. you know, he has everything that you think you want to attain, and he's doing this so why -- why wouldn't i do it? but i also started to see the bigger picture and i started to understand that, well, if i find a way to get myself into a college, then i have a chance to make some money, to accomplish all my dreams. >> you were second in your class in high school.

you were recruited by usc which at the time was the biggest thing going in college football, but you were also recruited by stanford and you picked stanford. >> yeah. >> was that about more than football? >> it was about more than football. how almost a kid from compton is going to stanford. the initial thought was to send a message to the kids to show, look at what hard work can get you. i was just trying to show them anything is possible. >> you didn't just go to stanford, by the way, you graduated and started working on your masters. >> exactly. >> does a rant overshadow such a great guy? >> it all comes together. it's all his persona. what's great he's shown people you're not just one thing. he's from compton, los angeles, there are a lot of assumptions that go along with that. he's loud and brash on the field. there's a lot of assumptions that go with that. on the other hand, he went to stanford and graduated second in his class in high school.

extremely well read, great, smart, insightful guy. he talks really eloquently about issues of race and class in this interview and talks about the fact that thug now being a substitute for the n word and how -- when he was tweeted at and e-mailed at and so many people upset after this, it wasn't that he heard bad racial language, although of course he did. he did hear that hate speech. it was the coded language that he was so concerned about. he said honestly, he didn't expect it. he said maybe he was a little naive. he thought we've moved past that. >> i think a lot of people are. in any rate, i cannot wait to see this. rachel. rachel will have this on tonight, "unguarded" 10:30 p.m. eastern. joining me now former running back jamaal anderson and cnn legal analyst sonny hostin. good to see both of you. all right, sonny, let's go. you just heard sherman say that some of backlash he received was because people are uncomfortable of his success story. do you agree with that?

>> i don't know if i agree with that. i think that people called him a thug because it's sort of racial code. and it's the code that's use because the n word is no longer appropriate in certain circles. i've got to tell you, don, when you look at webster's dictionary, for example, and thug is defined as a violent criminal. so to suggest that using "thug" with this gentleman who is a stanford grad, who is bright, who is articulate, who is successful, a superstar football play makes the point that clearly this was race code. race-based stereotype. >> sonny, just yesterday we were talking about the popular web site the root calling justin bieber a teen thug. do you think that's code for julying justin bieber the n worth? >> i think that the root was trying to be provocative. i don't think anyone is going to call justin bieber a thug, even though he has had run-ins with

the law. they're calling him instead of a criminal, which he is now criminally charged, right, they're calling him troubled. they're saying that he can turn his life around. just in your last segment people were saying oh, he's got so much more to offer and there's a downward spiral. we saw though in the trayvon martin case, trayvon who was a great student, who was a young boy, he was immediately called a thug and george zimmerman constantly violent was called a hero. to suggest that it's a race neutral term, don, i'm kind of shocked at that. >> so jamaal, there were comments back in 2009 after your arrest. let's be honest here. one person wrote that espn needs to start screening the thugs they hire a little better. >> right. >> did you get the sense this was coded language for the n word? >> there's no question about it. don, i'm a graduate as well from the university of utah. and that's just how it happens. the majority of time you see this connection, you see guys getting this statement and this

stigma from people when they don't have anything elsewhere they can try to say it. so this is the code that you hear. oh, this thug does this or this thug does that. and it absolutely is ridiculous. and i give richard sherman credit, don, for being brave enough to address this in the setting that he did for the seattle seahawks. >> he is not hiding. >> no, he's not. a lot of times guys don't want to enter into this conversation. >> we don't want to talk about it. >> just last night john boehner used the word "thug." it's a word that has been used by everyone from politicians to musicians. listen. >> have you met putin? have you ever met this guy? >> no. >> no. >> you don't sound like you want to meet him. >> i don't want to meet him. no, listen, i just think he's a thug. he won't be hanging out with those thugs. >> i'm a thug. >> buford, hooligans amongst the thugs? >> have i displeased you, you feck les thug.

>> what applies to barack obama as being a thug. >> the top ten thugs in the world. >> we choose to live in a world where a thug and a murderer like bashar al assad. >> i think it's more nuanced than that. i do think in some cases it is coded for the n word. i think in this case, in sherman's case it is. but thug has been used to describe a whole lot of people. >> right. >> nobody's saying that -- go ahead, sonny. >> you're sort of being intellectually dishonest, don. >> no, i'm not. you saw it there. [ overlapping speakers ] >> words alone don't have the same meaning. you have to look at words in context. words evolve and different meanings are attached to it. >> sonny, i say in the context of richard sherman i think it's being used that way. >> it's how it's predominantly used now, don. >> not always. >> black and brown men. just like the term "angry" -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> just like the term angry is used to describe me when anybody who really knows me knows that

i'm always sunny, always happy. instead of being called decisive. and it's because i have brown skin. and that's the bottom line. angry at who [ overlapping speakers ] >> we could probably pull up 1,000 different clips of people saying thug and quote unquote justified circumstances. but clearly, in this instance and what we continuously see is the association with young african-americans. >> i've got to run. thank you guys. up next, video just in or justin bieber the night he was arrested. ses at the age of 80. helps reduce the risk of heart disease. it seems that 80 is the new 18. grannies, bless your heart, you are bringing sexy back! eat up. keep heart-healthy. live long. for a healthy heart, eat the 100% natural whole grain goodness of post shredded wheat. doctors recommend it.

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breaking news. we now have new video that shows justin bieber's blue lamborghini racing down the street with police behind him. while it doesn't look like they're going too fast, we don't

know what happened to this particular video what is going on there. clearly you see the yellow lamborghini out front and a red ferrari behind it and police cars after that. there is a new video. we'll be playing it for you on chooj on cnn. i'm don lemon. thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, everyone. i'm john berman sitting in for anderson. tonight her case divides opinion, her story can break your heart. now a court decides the fate of a brain-dead woman being kept on life support against her and her family's wishes because she's pregnant. also tonight, new threats to the olympics. a new warning to americans and new word on plans to mount a military response if worse comes to worse. and later, this is just in. dramatic new video of the kind of driving that landed justin bieber in police custody. there's that. we have extreme surfer laird exmilton and a real-life