tv The Imposter CNN January 26, 2014 6:00pm-8:01pm PST
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>> they called me at work when i wasn't there. they wrote a message that said, someone from spain has nicholas. >> my mom called me. she said are you sitting down? you won't believe this. >> of course it was mysterious. it was exciting. it was worrisome. it was all mixed emotions, you know? >> ecstatic, bewildered. spain? isn't that like across the country? how did he get there? you have like a hundred thousand questions that you want answered immediately. >> i felt wonderful. i'm excited. >> you want to see him, touch him. do you know what i mean? and you want it all to happen now.
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. >> from as long as i remember, i wanted to be someone else. someone who was acceptable. the most important thing for me, what i learned very fast was to be convincing. when the police arrived, i immediately put into their mind that they have a kid in front of them. not an adult. so it was very important for me to behave like one.
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they would see me in the big coat with younger clothes and they would see a kid with a hat which is very low on the eyes. they didn't see my eyes. i wanted to provoke in them a sense of guilt. [ speaking spanish ] of being adults, being close to a kid which is that scared. when you see a kid that you know got nervous reflexes, that you can't touch him. you cannot approach him. then you understand. you understand that something is wrong.
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if a cop will know who a kid is and where he come from, he can't keep him in the police station. and i knew that eventually they would have to put me into a children's home. and that's all i wanted. nobody ever give a damn about me and to know that if i change my identity, the reward was eventually to be put in a place where they really cared about me and hell yeah. i was reborn. i was born again. nobody ever give me a childhood. to give a kid a childhood, you need to love that kid.
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couple miles from his house. and his mother works late and sleeps during the day. and his older brother jason answered the phone. >> when i woke up, jason was there and said that he had called and wanted a ride home but jason didn't want to wake me up. so tell him he had to walk home. and that's, that was the day, the last time we heard from him. >> you spend 24 hours crying, sick, worried. then you get mad. then you get scared. and then you try on get empowered. what can we do? we have to do flyers. we'll do this. where you don't cry, you do something positive and try to work toward, i guess, a solution of finding him. >> i thought somebody offered him a ride and he got in the car.
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i think he would have got in the car with someone that he did know. >> the opportunity for me, it was one of those places which is very rare in spain where actually they can't stand a kid with no identity card no, proof of who he is. if you don't tell us, if you can't prove us who you are, i'm going to have you fingerprinted and your pictures taken. i couldn't allow that to happen. i had to find a way out of that. so the only thing left there was
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was, one, go to prison. two, proof to them that i'm someone. i said that i was american. that i ran away and i was willing to contact my family for them but i wanted to do it myself. i didn't want my family to receive a phone call from the police or the prosecutor or the judge in spain. i wanted to do it myself. and i said i will need to be in an office for the night because i live in the states. the states, the times is different. so you know, just leave me in the office. and tomorrow you will have all need. hey guys! sorry we're late.
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>> in this office, nobody could hear me. i knew that i could pass myself for anyone on the phone. i could convince anyone of anything. so i called american police. the new york police. different police stations in the states. >> who is this, please? >> i told them every time that there was a policeman from spain called [ inaudible ] that we had found a kid. we're sure that he's from the states but we don't know where. >> how long ago was this? >> he's been maybe missing for a few years. there's someone that's been looking for him. >> so the police say, well, you
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know, we got hundreds of posters of missing persons in the world. we just can't go through each of them. but what we can do for you is to give you the number for the center for missing and exploited children of arlington, virginia. >> center for missing and exploited children. how may i help you? >> we have a kid in our shelter, certainly is american. he is about 14, 15 years old. the problem is we don't know who he is. >> i described myself. every detail i gave was details that i knew that i could handle. i wanted to be vague enough for her to look at many different things. i wanted her to have many possibilities. >> let me just take a look here. >> i got maybe some things. she said we got a kid from san antonio missing since june 13, 1994. his name is nicholas barclay.
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i said, could you send me a fax of what he looks like? in my head i was just a police officer was nicholas barclay next to me trying to confirm his identity. and like any other policeman would do. let's see if it's him. i thought, see if it's him. i look at it. black and white picture, old picture. well, been missing for three or four years guarantee one thing. there will be a chance. if there is a chance, there will be doubt. if there is doubt then i got a chance. something in my head decided that i could do it, that i had to try. i took the phone, and i told her
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that -- >> this is nicholas. we got him. it's him. it's incredible, it's him. >> my mom called me, and she says, are you sitting down? you're not going to believe this. and i said what, mom? she goes, the police department just called me, and they think they found nicholas in linares. i said okay where in texas is linares? texas has a lot of small towns. then she was like, no, spain. i'm like spain? >> oh, god, how to explain the emotions. it's like all these different emotions. it's like from excitement to bewilderment, to what do we do? what's the next step? how do we get him?
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when are we going to talk to him? >> i knew that after that they would contact me. they would try to verify, to call, to see is it true, is he here. [ phone ringing ] >> when i first got ahold of the shelter, they put me on the phone with jonathan duran who said that he worked for a shelter, and that he was the one who was talking with nicholas and had got the information from nicholas on who he really was. >> when she called, i said that nicholas was seated next to me. but he was very scared. he was very traumatized. and he didn't want to talk to no one. >> he sounded very responsible, very concerned. >> he claims that he's been abused, that he's been hurt, that he's been abducted. >> i kind of thought he was like a social worker type of person. very reassuring.
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>> she said, is he saying anything? is he talking about us? does he remember? >> actually i think he forgot about everything, you know? he doesn't remember very much. he remembers you but not very much. >> we were told he was held by some kind of like a sex slave kind of ring. and that he had escaped from there and that he was found wandering the streets. >> she was heart broken, but at the same time she was very happy. >> i wanted to hear his voice. >> no. absolutely there was no way i was going to talk to her pretending to be nicholas, because i wasn't nicholas and she was a sister. so that would have been a risk, too big a risk for me. but i did say a few words. she said, hello, nicholas, can you hear me, nicholas? nothing. i love you, nicholas. i want to take you back home with me. i'm going to take you, baby. i'm going to come and get you.
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and maybe you hear "i love you" something like that very far away. and then she said, was it him? i said yeah, he said i love you. oh, and then she start crying on the phone. >> well, you start crying you tell him we're going to come and get you and bring you home. we'll get there. we're going to bring you home. and i love you, too. >> i washed her brain. ♪ [ chicken caws ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums!
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i didn't stop, because i didn't think of stopping. i didn't watch myself in the mirror and say, what the are you doing? stop that immediately. i realized that i've crossed the line. i wasn't pretending no more to have another identity. i stole one. >> i got a phone call. would you please call a carrie gibson? well, i was astounded by what carrie said. so one of the first things i
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said to her was, when the fbi and the u.s. state department assist you and get you and your brother back here, i have to interview him immediately. >> when the welfare of a minor is in jeopardy, our reaction has to be very quick, very responsive. we have to put ourselves in the position of the child or the child's parents or guardians. >> generally when a child is missing for years, either the child is dead or the child is not found. and to find that child in another country is extremely rare. >> that made it all the more compelling for us to make sure that we did everything right in terms of establishing who he was and getting him back to his family. >> my main concern was getting him back so that my part could start.
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the investigation could start. we could find out what had happened to this child. >> i sent somebody out there as quickly as possible. >> the next day, the next day got beyond my control. the center for missing and exploited children sent me a flier. was the picture of nicholas at the time of his disappearance. and i saw what real nicholas looked like really with color and everything. he was very blond, very -- he had blue eyes. he looked nothing like me. nothing. the only thing i could do was to think of where was going to the prison where i was going to be? >> when i spoke to the vice counselor and asked him about his interactions with nicholas barclay, he indicated at the
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time that he spoke english, that he was at least at that moment convinced that this was an american. >> when i woke up the next morning, everything was normal. then i saw the director of the shelter that said, well, you must be happy. your sister is on the way. so i said, what do you mean? he said well, your sister from san antonio, she's on the plane. she's coming to get you. >> i had never left the country. i didn't know even what it entailed. i knew my mom couldn't handle the flight. she can't. she couldn't do it. i have to do this.
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i've just got to go get him and get him back here where he's safe. >> i should have thought of that. i should have thought of the consequences if you do that. imagine for a second that you're the father of a kid that's been missing for three years and four months and that they find him in columbia. what would you do? what would be the first thing you would do? i would jump on a plane. >> i didn't sleep for two days before i got on the plane. fear but also anticipation. because you want to get there get there get there. you want to see him, hold him, smell him. just get there. >> you can't prepare to play a role of a person that you don't know. i couldn't be nicholas barclay because i didn't know nicholas barclay. i didn't even know at that moment if he was left or right-handed.
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so that was a problem. >> he thought he was an adult. we called him 13 going on 30. very difficult to discipline him. if he made up his mind he was going to do something, pretty much there wasn't a lot you could do. >> put the lighter down. >> he had run away before for a night or two. mad at mom. i'm leaving. i'll find a new mom, a new home. kiss my [ mute ] kind of thing. and he would leave. and she would hunt him down and find out where he is and he'd show up the next day. he was not this perfect, nice, sweet, innocent -- he was a very street smart city boy. >> it's nice to meet you. i'm the director. ain't i beautiful? >> he had beautiful blond hair.
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finally i'm on the ground. who am i looking for? what do these people look like? should they be in suits? oh, damn, you can smoke here. thank god. the air smelled different. it was a lot less crowded than i thought. >> i did everything i could to give myself a chance. i bought product to color my hair to turn it blond. >> the gentleman and lady approached me, because i wasn't
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sure where to go. and we went straight into a car and started driving. >> on the flier it said that nicholas barclay had three tattoos. there was a girl inside a shelter that did small tattoos. just like that. she was no pro. she was just a kid. and i asked her to put the tattoos that were on the fliers on me. i took big sunglasses. i took a hat. i took a scarf. i thought that if she couldn't see me then she wouldn't be able to see i'm not her brother. >> we stopped for a coca-cola, which i thought was really cool they had coke there. and it was the anxiety of how long it was taking. >> minutes before she arrived, i was convinced i was finished,
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that i was going to get arrested and maybe beat up also, because they were not going to be happy about it. >> i remember going into like a waiting area. i'm speaking with a couple people from the home, saying that he was in his room, he had been locked in his room all day, he wouldn't let anybody go in there. >> finally when i heard someone knocking at the door and say, hey, nicholas, your sister is downstairs. she's waiting for you. she's there. >> went downstairs and into like a courtyard. there were some kids playing like ball against a wall. and i looked up at the window and told him, i'm here. come here. i want to see you. i want to hold you. and i remember seeing him look out the window. >> i was sure that as soon as the sister was going to see me, she was going to see that who's that? that's not nicholas. so i waited ten minutes. i knew i was about to lose
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everything. i knew that i couldn't wait no more, that i couldn't go away, that i couldn't just disappear. so i opened the door and i went down. >> just the sense of immense relief. just seeing, touching, kissing, holding him. >> i said what the hell, you know? >> he's here. we're here. i have him. >> she didn't even wait a second or two seconds. she jumped on me. she jumped on me. she took me in her arms and she said, nicholas. oh. and you were afraid i wouldn't recognize you. i would remember that nose. >> so i just -- i remember touching his nose and telling him, i remember that nose. you kind of look like your uncle pat. >> she said that don't worry like she always say. everything is going to be fine. everything is going to be perfect. i know it's you. >> he was just basically told me
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he loved me. and he didn't say a whole lot until all the people left. >> only god knows why she would do something like that. but i know one thing for sure is there was no other way. she came for me and she wanted me back. we went to the visit room, and she showed me dozens of pictures. pictures pictures pictures. you remember this was with mom at the house we were living in before you went missing. remember this was when you were playing with scotty. remember this was -- >> and he was like, jason looks the same. cody's gotten pretty big, huh? god, mom looks exactly the same. she got put on weight? wanted to know if grandpa was still in [ mute ].
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told me how much he loved grandma and he missed her. i remember seeing the tattoo, the cross between right here on his hand. and i just -- just kept thinking how much he looks like uncle pat. and how mom was going to be really surprised how tall he was. >> she said that he looked very different. that he had grown up. and he was very quiet. kind of held back. >> he talked with a funny accent. it was always in a whisper, very quiet like he was hiding from something. i mean, look what he had been through. he wasn't the same person. he wasn't the same nicholas that disappeared four years before. he had been held and tortured and god knows what else. he wasn't that same person.
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>> the judge wanted to make sure that there was in fact some legal basis for nicholas claiming to be carrie gibson's lost brother. >> so now the problem was that the sister and the embassy official that were swearing that i was nicholas barclay, and there was the police, the prosecutor and the judge who were not convinced at all. >> the judge insisted on separate interviews. and part of the evidence that was in those interviews was a family photo album. >> and the judge said, listen, the only way for you to prove that you're really nicholas, we got pictures here that you've never seen before. i'm going to show you five of them. number one, okay. number two okay. number three okay. and number four okay.
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and the five one i made a mistake. but it was too late. she was already convinced i was nicholas barclay. >> at that point, i didn't see how i could not document him as a u.s. citizen. >> i would not have been able to do anything if carrie didn't show me those pictures. they took a picture of me. they saw my eyes. and under the constitution of the united states i wear to be a u.s. citizen. it wasn't real, but i did it.
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we didn't do a whole lot of talking the night before we got on the plane. not uncomfortable, just silence. it was almost like a peaceful silence. now i can hear him breathing, and i just felt pretty peaceful. >> i've been thinking about running away, even before i met her. all i got to do was take a taxi cab and go to a train station, buy myself a ticket out of spain. i could have done that in a couple of minutes. nothing was stopping me, nothing. i went down a few times in the hallway, always wondering if i was doing the right thing, the wrong thing.
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should i go, shouldn't i go, should i go, shouldn't i go? when i was born, i don't think there was much love. my mother was very, very young at the time. she was only 17 years old, met an older man, which was my father from algeria. my grandfather was a very racist person and knowing my mother spent the night with an algerian, wanted my mother to have an abortion, to get rid of me before i was even born. for him, an arab should be dealt with a nuclear weapon and a black man is a monkey. before i was born, i definitely
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had the wrong identity. i already didn't know -- i was prepared not to know who i really was. a new identity was a real a new identity was a real passport, an american passport. i could go to school there, live with that family, and just being someone, and don't have never again to worry about being identified. i saw the opportunity. a woman that would go through so much to get me with her back, and a family which got kids, which is a loving family, got to be somebody good.
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they want me to be nicholas, but what about the others? are they going to want me to be nicholas too? >> i didn't understand why he was so like nervous, you know what i mean? he was, you know, constantly moving and bathroom and watching people, watching me. he was always watching me. >> she was always looking at me. >> i attested it to him just being scared. you know, he is going back home. and we don't know what has happened to him, how his mind is working. maybe he was afraid that he wouldn't be recognized or mom wouldn't love him anymore. >> i'm going to get killed. and i say, well, maybe the plan better crash. >> when i said it was time to board, i nudged nick. you ready? you ready to go home? i'm ready to go home. let's get out of here and go
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>> i didn't have no plan. i didn't have no strategy. i knew there was no way out. i could not turn back. >> we had no idea what kind of person we were getting who was coming back. >> i wanted to run and grab him, but he held back. so i walked down and grabbed his hand and hugged him and told him i missed him.
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he had changed so much. it was like mind-boggling. >> but then i'd been through all this horrendous stuff. so it's absolutely going to be different. >> i just remember my kids and my mom. and my husband, and just guy, we were so happy. >> he was like totally covered up. so then i got scared, thinking this kid is really messed up. just by his appearance. >> he was very quiet and standoffish.
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>> i never like people to touch me, and i can change that. so when she put her hands around me, she must have felt that i wasn't entering it at all. i was very cold, very closed. i didn't speak to people. as much as i was happy, i didn't show it. i -- i had a border in front of me. i didn't want to screw up. >> of course it was welcome with opened arms, and let's get you home attitude.
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when i woke up in the texas country, what i saw wasn't exactly what i expected to see. the state for me was a big city, big buildings and people everywhere. the first thing when you open your eyes is officially your name is nicholas patrick barclay, that you were born in december 31st, 1980, and that every family member is calling me nicholas. and not nicholas, but what is your real name, no, nicholas. okay. we're going to go shopping,
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nicholas. they drove me around, and, you know, i knew i had to recognize something. and i also knew that i couldn't, because i never been there before. >> hey, kirk, how are you doing? >> we met some people that knew nicholas before he disappeared. i told them i didn't remember them. there was something, but i didn't remember them. like i lost my memory, which is what i told them. >> he was traumatized. that's why he wasn't remembering everything, was of all the things that had happened to him. >> i remember a sign. i saw nicholas in the picture doing this with his fingers, you know, his way to say hello. and i did it a few times with them when i was there. that was one of the only things i knew what to do. i was thinking to myself that nicholas barclay could come back
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at his house any day. that was my first worry. i was really worried about that. i couldn't help it. i said man, what if he show up. what if he open the door and say hey, i'm back? you know? >> we thought the best thing for him was just to have a normal routine. you get up, you eat breakfast. you do this, you eat lunch. you eat dinner, watch movies. just a normal family atmosphere. >> me and him hung out. i would just take him for drives and talk to him and turn up the music and stuff. ♪ i listen to the wind, to the wind of my soul ♪ >> he would hang out with cody and his friends. after school, they would go to the park and play. i mean, they would do what teenagers do. he actually kind of started liking a girl in the neighborhood, amy. they would hang out and talk on the phone. he would kind of get blushy red when we talked about her.
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>> the only person i ever met in the barclay family was the brother. the brother of carrie. finally he came to see me. he didn't look at me like nicholas, and he didn't pretend to look at me like nicholas. he said, good luck to me and he left. ♪ i swim on the devil's lake ♪ but never, never -- >> we didn't even talk about what happened to him over there, because we felt like when the time was right, he would open up to us. >> i did not receive any telephone calls from the family saying, you know, nicholas is back, please come over and talk to us, we need help. and i felt like it was imperative that he be interviewed quickly. so i agreed to meet nicholas at the san antonio missing children's center to conduct our
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first interview. i introduced myself to nicholas and told him why i was there. and that the purpose of this interview was to get his account of his kidnapping and for his assistance in locating his abductors. the only thing i knew about nicholas is what i had read on some of the missing posters. not that people can't change in three years. but this person did not appear to be 16. he had a shadow of a beard. a dark beard that i doubt if nicholas would have had a shadow of a dark beard at the age of 16 since he had blonde hair. he appeared to be quite nervous, and he just seemed very uncomfortable this entire time. >> i told them that i was taken by military overseas. that i was abducted, put in a
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van and fly over to some places, that i never knew where i was. that we were kept in a room with different kids. >> they get chloroformed and they wake up and they're, you know, in a place they don't know where they're at. >> they were subjected by high ranking military to sexual abuse. >> every night, all of the kids were raped and molested by men. these men were american, mexican and european. >> they broke my hands, especially my right hand with a baseball bat. >> they kept burning him and giving him insects to eat. >> we were tortured. >> he broke his fingers. >> his left foot was broken with a crowbar. >> i was raped. >> they keep these kids in line by doing military scare tactics. >> we were experimented on. >> they would put needles in his eyes. >> headphones on their head, screaming and yelling different languages. >> a voice kept saying, you are not you. >> if you spoke english, he was
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beaten. >> they moved these kids around in military planes. >> we never saw where we were going. >> the boy's identities before were changed by either changing the hair color, the eye color or other ways. >> they were always in uniform. >> a solution was put in his eyes. >> they sell them for money for sex. >> his eye color was changed by the use of a solution. >> the door wasn't checked. i run in the big hallway. there was another door. somehow i managed to go outside and outside i ran and ran and ran. and hours after that, i discovered that i was in spain. >> this was a horrendous interview. when i left, i was shaken by it, because it had all the horrific
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emotional side effects that go with listening to such a story. we knew about this type of activity. a normal person doesn't sit down with a story and make up horrendous -- that's not what you lie about. you don't go into detail about torture and the murdering of children. none of that seemed normal. >> he was tortured. he had torture written on him. he had a broken hand that was never medically attended to. he walked with a limp. he had cigarette burns down the back of his head, to the back of his ankles. >> this person is either -- had been a victim himself or he was a fantastic actor. and i didn't know which of those titles applied to him. i let them know that i was very sorry about what happened to them, that we were going to locate the people who had done this and put an end to the trauma he had been through.
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>> this was the last border. it's like, i won. the game is over. i had passports. everybody in the family said i'm nicholas barclay. nobody was investigating me. nobody was suspicious, that i know. hell, i was happy. i was, you know, i couldn't believe my luck. >> my name is charlie parker. i'm a private investigator. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea.
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♪ i know the clouds are going to gather around me ♪ ♪ i know my way it will be rough and steep ♪ >> i got a call back in november from a television producer for "hard copy" and he said that a boy who had been missing earlier for four years had turned up, and he wanted me to track him down so they could get an interview with him. first, i had to find out where his mother lived. found her, and then we drove out to the -- north of san antonio to do the interview. ♪ >> i had repeatedly asked him, please do not contact the media. if anything that nicholas was telling us is true, if anything
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had any accuracy, if there was any military officer possibly involved, the last thing we wanted it to be put was on the front page of a newspaper or on television so that that abductor would know something about our investigation. >> this is eyewitness news at 10:00. >> he disappeared without a trace three years ago. tonight, a san antonio boy is back home. nicholas barclay is now 16 years old. he vanished when he was 13. nicholas says he was kidnapped and taken to spain. he says for three years he was repeatedly drugged, beaten, and raped, all part of a sex slave operation involving dozens of missing children. >> well, bob, the fbi is not taking this case lightly. the reason, somehow a 13-year-old boy from san antonio ended up in spain without a passport. june 19, 1994. nicholas got into a fight with his family. so he came here to ft. sam houston to play basketball. two young boys approached him. he started talking. the next thing he knew, there
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was a cloth over his mouth and nicholas passed out. he claims his captors changed his appearance. to make him unrecognizable. he was no longer allowed to speak english. >> did they rape you every night? >> me? no. because they -- they didn't -- me every night. some of them they liked more. some of the kids they liked more. they raped them two or three times a week. >> i wanted the media's attention so that i would make nicholas even more, that people would really believe that i'm nicholas and they would love me even more for that. >> they set him up, put a microphone on him and had the cameras on him. i moved over behind a booth. it was almost fate behind that booth was a picture of the actual nicholas barclay. and i could look at that picture and look at him at the same time. and as i looked at the picture, i noticed that the boy had
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blue-gray looking eyes and this man had brown eyes. it was a moment where the hair stood on the back of your neck and it was just something wrong about it. something was wrong. i said, can you get me a picture of his ears? i need to get that. i had read about scotland yard using that method to trace down a man, james earl ray, that had killed martin luther king. they caught him in heathrow airport by identifying his ears. i knew the ears were a means of identity for almost like fingerprints. i put the picture in my pocket and took it. when i got back to the office, i put the pictures in adobe photo shop.
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they were different ears. so i knew right away that absolutely he was not nicholas barclay. i thought i had a spy. i thought i had a real, honest-to-god spy. why else would a guy come here and take the place of another person? what would be his reason? i phoned nancy fisher. i said, this guy is a fake. it's not him. i said, the ears don't match. >> and my comment to him was, you need to be very careful that you don't intrude on a federal investigation. >> people aren't used to hearing you talk about somebody's ears. i think she was taken back by that. she didn't know what i was talking about. >> i thought i didn't have a right to question their statement that this is their family member, because how could they be wrong? no one would be wrong about something like that. >> what do they want? i've already got the fact that
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he doesn't have the same ears. >> why would you ever, ever take in a stranger? not just a stranger from this country, but a stranger from another country who speaks with a french accent? this has to be nicholas barclay. >> i finally succeeded to become a kid again. officially with a passport, to have a second chance, to be able this time to go to school and to succeed this time. ♪ >> well, he started back to high school. i really was worried. i didn't know what he was going to do. this was a case, i mean, a real case. this guy was lying about who he said he was. and here the family was accepting him. i expected him any day to blow up something at the air base or do something at the army base. >> i was pulling teeth trying to
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determine who would kidnap nicholas, when and where and under what circumstances. i had almost no information, because all the information he gave us was very, very general. he couldn't give names or couldn't give places, he couldn't give times. he couldn't give anything. the family was told the reason we're taking nicholas to houston was because he had been through trauma. so he deserved to see a forensic expert to deal with the trauma. >> initially i thought that this was going to be a forensic interview with the intent of finding out more information about the people who abducted him. here was this pale white kid and i introduced myself and as he spoke back, immediately my -- something in me just said this is not right.
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there's something wrong here. >> i speak with him for a long time. he asked me to repeat all the stories i had been telling everybody. >> i remember people grabbing me, putting me in the van. i went to sleep and woke up in a room where there was other kids. >> i didn't see the same physiological change in his body posture, in his pupil size, in his heart rate that i would normally see with someone who is talking about a traumatic experience. he couldn't speak english without an accent. that told me about the development of his brain and the development of language. you just cannot be raised for the first six, seven years of your life in an english-speaking home and later on, you know,
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eight, nine years later, even ten years later, not be able to speak english without an accent. i can guarantee you that this kid was not raised in an english-speaking family. i don't know who he is, but the person who i was interviewing could not have been nicholas barclay. >> okay, there was a scenario that just showed up and i don't like that. this investigation did a 90 degree. it just went from one -- from one place all the way up to another. i immediately called carrie gibson, and i said to her, carrie, dr. perry has just stated this person cannot be your brother for the fact that he cannot be an american. this could be a very dangerous person. she shrieked or screamed and said oh, my gosh. i said, don't be at the airport.
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i'll handle it. i'll take care of this individual, and that she did not have to take him home, you know, back to her home to live with them. and she says okay, okay. we fly back into san antonio. there's carrie standing there. what? she acted like we never had that conversation, and she acted excited to see him, asked him how his trip was. i think i just stared for a minute. and i called the u.s. attorney's office right then and there, and i said, what do i do? and the assistant u.s. attorney said, let him return to her temporarily. she welcomed this person home, just like he was her brother. i didn't have any clue as to why she behaved in this manner,
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about the real nicholas barclay, interviewing the neighbors, trying to find out what i could about that boy and about that family, and what's going on. you know, why would nicholas have left? >> the police used to come, like, maybe twice or three times a month. either was argument with the kids or with the boyfriend or with the other son. >> i spoke to everyone. they all said that nicholas had caused trouble, had come home late at night. we've all had arguments in our family. but it's rare that we call the police, they're so bad that they have to come. it made me think there was something going on more than meets the eye. of course it did. >> i knew that dna samples would prove that he wasn't nicholas barclay.
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hi, this is my son. i don't have to provide blood samples for you for dna. and she laid down on the floor, literally laid down on the floor and said no, and you can't pick me up and you can't make me. >> i did not want to go anywhere with the fbi. but i don't remember refusing. >> i was stunned. i never had that reaction before. she wasn't just apathetic, she was hostile. >> to be honest with you, i really have no idea what i was thinking at that time. my main goal in life was not to think. >> we didn't need to prove who he was. we knew who he was. >> i no longer saw them as a grieving victimized family. i saw them as a very questionable family. there would be no reason for them to accept a stranger into their lives unless there was
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something to hide. that would be the only reason. something was being hidden and i didn't know what that was. >> when beverly refused to give her blood sample, i started to become suspicious. they knew i wasn't nicholas. whatever i was telling them, they didn't believe a word of it. but they were good at not showing it. i mean, who wouldn't see it? >> that's about four, five years ago. >> i remember in spain, kerry did everything for me. when i didn't know something, she told me. you forgot everything but you're going to remember it now.
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this was mom, the place we're living in. do you remember? do you remember chantal? that's your niece, my daughter. do you remember that? do you remember that? do you remember that? over and over and over again. she wanted to put it in my head. she wanted to put it in my head so i would never forget. she just could not say it's not nicholas. did she believe it or not? if you ask me i would say no, not for a second did she believe i was her brother. she decided i was going to be her brother. it's like i woke up in a place where lies even bigger than what i did, you know? it's -- they pretended as much as i did, and even more. >> i kept thinking about the
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kid, nicholas barclay. at the time of his disappearance, he was living with beverly in the house on swat low street. and his brother, jason, was also living there. >> jason, nick's older brother, when he moved into their house, that house changed. before he got there, nick and his mom seemed pretty close to me. she loved him to death. i mean, she loved him. you could tell he was the light of her life. this guy moved in, he was a bum, a drug addict, and he only cared about himself. when he got in that house, it just made things that much more worse. in fact, i think it even pushed his mom into doing drugs herself when he moved into the house. that house just became a
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volatile situation all together. >> i discovered from the police files a couple of months after the disappearance that jason had called the police and said that his brother had tried to break into the house. we see that kind of thing all the time. people are constantly doing stuff like that to make people think that person's alive. i started putting two and two together and i thought, something happened inside that house to that boy. >> i didn't need to be columbo to put all the pieces together. they killed him. some of them did it, some of them knew of it, some of them choose to ignore it.
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to obtain those blood samples. >> i couldn't pretend no more i could be nicholas and act like nicholas. >> i took two or three other agents with me to go pick him up. >> so inside me, i started getting, you know, more and more aggressive. weird. i couldn't go on. >> we got the fingerprints and we got the palm prints. within a few weeks, we would be sending them out to interpol, to the embassies to see if they any of these fingerprints matched what they had on record. >> i was trying to find a way out. not only a way out of san antonio, texas, but a way out of my mind. >> nicholas was becoming much more agitated and angry, and i really felt like he was going to run away. and if he ran away, we might have a very hard time locating him. >> i started tailing him. i started following him. i started sitting up on
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beverly's place where she lived and writing down license numbers of all the cars that came to see her. >> so i took a razor blade and i stick my face. >> everything was snowballing and snowballing and snowballing. >> i showed them, showed them that i was under a great deal of pressure. >> on march 3 of 1998, the legat in madrid, spain, called me and he said we've just identified him. i said, you're kidding. >> i knew that everything was going down. it was just a matter of weeks. >> he said, what i'm going to do right now is fax to you the records that i have. >> he agreed to meet with me. we ordered hot cakes and we started to eat. and he said -- i said, you really made your mother angry. he said, she's not my mother and you know it. and i thought, well, i'll be damned.
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>> so i stood over the fax machine waiting for, of course, them to come in, because i was screaming and jumping up and down. >> i actually said, well, i'll be damned. you're going to finally tell me who you are. >> i was doing a dance and everybody was high-fiving. it was just like, we finally know who this person is. >> my heart was beating fast. just like it is now thinking about it. and i said, who are you? he said i'm frederick bourdin, and i'm wanted by interpol. >> the fingerprint cards told me that he was not 16, he was 23. that he was not american, he was french. that he was not nicholas barclay, he was frederick bourdin. >> we grow up in america thinking interpol is kind of the god of the cops, you follow me?
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that's the highest step you can get in copland. so i thought, if he's wanted by interpol, what has he done? there's no limit to what he's done. so he began to tell me. frederic bourdin, his delinquent activities. and modus operandi. he has traveled throughout europe appearing at shelters for minors under different aliases. >> frederick beard, spain, 1992. >> benjamin, spain, accept 1993. >> jimmy peter, luxembourg, 1992. >> thomas wilson, brussels, 1995. >> fernandez, fernandez, pyrenees.
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>> benjamin kent, moscow. >> i sat there. i could hardly eat. i could hardly swallow my food. >> mark sullivan. >> he always wore glasses. >> michelangelo martini. >> alex stowe. >> donovan mcnabb. >> thomas wilson. >> peter sampson. >> jimmy sallian, peter robins. james markey. frederick cassis. jonathan dooran. francisco fernandez fernandez. >> it's possible he may need psychiatric help. your eyes really are unique.
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settle in tonight, because we are about to share with you a story so bizarre, it's hard to be true. this is the tale of a master impostor, who managed to lie his way into the united states and prey upon the most vulnerable of people. >> he's the only person in u.s. history ever to have assumed the identity of a missing child. fooled even the lost boy's mother.
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it's hard to imagine how he could have gotten away with it. ♪ >> we knew it was going to be, you know, heart-wrenching, and, you know, we never thought it wouldn't be him. why would you even think that? >> the first feeling was complete sadness, because it wasn't nicholas. which took us back to square one. where is nicholas? that was the first one. second emotion was, how could i be so [ bleep ] stupid? i mean, seriously.
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>> i contacted the sapd, the san antonio police department, and told them -- decided to tell them that, hey, they killed him. >> based upon frederic bourdin's allegations, a homicide investigation was opened and the allegation was against the family members as being -- participating in the disappearance of the child. >> it was related to us that while frederic was in jail, he said that my mom confessed to him that her and jason killed nicholas and hid the body. >> because they accused me first. and it totally freaked me out, because i -- i been crazy, but never violent.
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>> this is the street the kid lived on when he went missing. here's the house right there. i think the boy's buried here. i want to talk to darrell inside. he's agreed to let me dig and see if nicholas barclay is here. >> if beverly knew that this individual was not her son, then she had to have some type of ulterior motive, and it had to be something very scary for her to accept a stranger into her household posing as her own son. >> i agreed to take a lie detector test. >> she passed the polygraph, and i said to the polygraph examiner, i don't understand this. i don't understand it at all.
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will you give it to her again? so he gave it to her again, and she passed the polygraph. i said, no, there's something wrong. the third time he gave it to her, she flunked every question, i mean, like big time. he said the machine practically jumped off the table. her answers appeared to be false on everything. and that's when he turned to her and he said, it appears that you know where your son is. it appears that you know what happened to him, and some other questions. that's when she became very aggravated, very agitated, jumped up, ran out, and was screaming. >> i lied about being --
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stealing. and i had -- so that's why i failed. i didn't lie about anything to do with nicholas. it was the other questions. >> darrell, charlie parker. >> how are you doing, mr. parker? >> how you doing? it's nice in here. so this is the house, huh? >> yes, sir. >> the polygraph led us to believe that she did have some information that she could provide that she refused to, and we felt like jason had information. >> if jason did something to nicholas, i didn't know about it. and i can't imagine jason ever doing that. it's just not in his makeup. i don't know. >> i know my brother or my mother did not kill nicholas. accidently, on purpose, whatever
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frederic said, it never happened. >> when we first got my dog, he was always digging in the back corner over there with the tree is, and one day i was mowing and saw pieces of plastic, kind of like a tarp material sticking out of the ground. i tried to pull it up to get it out and it kept ripping on me. it was stuck in the ground. so i never paid any attention to it and never gave it any thought until last night when we were speaking on the phone. >> and the bush has been there a while. >> i had initially tried to get ahold of jason prior to frederic's arrest and couldn't. and then when i finally did get ahold of him, i asked him about the disappearance of his brother. he just seemed totally apathetic about the disappearance of his younger brother. extremely apathetic and didn't care that he had been returned. but when he did see him, no, that wasn't his brother, but he didn't seem interested enough or
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excited enough to tell his mother and sister, that's not my brother. no, no, they just wanted to believe. >> it's a good spot. let's see. say he dumps him here first, and then he looks up -- yeah. this is good. >> he was very hostile, refused to help in any way. and then he later left the drug rehabilitation center and was found having died from a drug overdose. >> i think that jason became a perfect scapegoat because he's not here. he died. so he can't be questioned or anything. i mean, he can't even defend himself.
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>> it's kind of like a nightmare. all this stuff is coming at you and none of it's true. but nobody believes you. are they thinking you have something to do with it? and it's like, getting in trouble for something you didn't do. yeah, kids, they tell you i didn't do it. you're going yeah, right. but i didn't do it. >> i do feel like the family knows the whereabouts of nicholas barclay. i think beverly and jason knew at one time what happened to nicholas barclay. >> show me one piece of evidence, show me one thing that will lock anybody in our family up over this, just one shred of actual proof. >> back here, let's go back here.
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>> the biggest, funniest one to me, hilarious, is that we went and picked up a complete stranger to hide the fact that we killed nicholas or someone in my family killed nicholas when, through four years that nicholas was disappeared, we were the only ones looking for him. why would we pick up a stranger to hide something that didn't need to be hidden? just another one of his lies. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape?
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even from behind bars, he continued to lie to families of other missing children. from this phone in his cell, he made hundreds of collect calls, claiming to have information about lost children. he even said he could help solve the highly publicized case of sabrina eisenberg, an infant taken from her home in tampa, florida last year. >> why did you do that? you didn't have any information, did you? >> no. >> but you get on this phone and you're calling all over the world? >> yes. >> what are you doing?
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>> he's a habitual liar, and it blows my mind that anybody can take anything that is said out of his mouth as truth. >> what, this kid comes and says he's nicholas and then turns around and says these people that took care of me killed him. how do you come up with that conclusion? >> he put us through enough already, and then for him to do this while he's in jail for what he's done and to cause more pain to our family. him. ♪
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>> i didn't give a damn what other people were thinking. or what they were feeling. i care about myself, just about myself. and the rest of it. ♪ i'm just a poor wayfaring stranger ♪ ♪ traveling through a world of woe ♪ ♪ ain't no sickness, toil or danger ♪ ♪ in that bright land to which i go ♪ ♪ i'm going there to see my father ♪ ♪ said he'd meet me when i come ♪ ♪ i'm only going over jordan ♪ i'm only going over home
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