>> i want to be real clear here. those were two separate sound bites that we tried to get to as quickly as possible, what we call tape turns, one about benghazi and another completely separate and a different time. was about her thoughts about 2016. it was brought in while she was laughing about something completely unrelated at a different time. that is our mistake. she was not laughing. let's be very clear. the secretary of state was not laughing about the previous comments about benghazi. that was just a quick but-thought, we call it. butted sound bite. there you have it. comments about 2016. thanks so much for watching, everyone. "around the world" starts right now. u.s. stocks fall again after last week's frightening sell-off. we're going to take a look at why world markets are faltering down 59 points right now. >> and another terrorist threat against the sochi olympics. as the olympic torch passes

through russia's most troubled region, dagestan. france's first couple no longer a couple after rumors of an affair with a french actress. hear what the former first lady is staying about the split. welcome to "around the world", i'm suzanne malveaux. >> i'm michael holmes. >> i'm michael holmes. good to be back. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com let's start with the terror threat level before the start of the winter olympics. >> today seen as a key test of russian security because the olympic torch is passing through the militant hot bed of dagestan. and this comes just as we learn details now about a new warning from terrorists in that city. ivan watson is following all of the angles from sochi. >> reporter: under heavy security monday morning, the olympic torch made its way through the city of dagestan. a region plagued by islamist insurgents. this amid a new warning from terrorists in that region over

the weekend, promising more attacks like this recent bombing in russia, though not specifically mentioning the sochi games. as olympic athletes begin to arrive, the u.s. state department issued another warning last week, urging american athletes not to wear their uniforms outside the games' ring of steel. >> if we need to extract our citizens, we will have appropriate arrangements with the russians to do this. >> reporter: in the event of an attack, u.s. officials say they have contingency plans at the ready. helicopters on stand-by on two warships in the black sea, and c-17 transport aircraft in germany could be on the scene in two hours. but russian officials hope these emergency plans won't be needed. assuring their security forces will be vigilant. >> because we are doing everything that is needed in order to make sure it's going to

be safe, and it will be as safe as any other olympics that can be held currently in the world. >> reporter: but others, like u.s. congressman peter king, said on abc's "this week" he can't give that same promise. >> i cannot give 100% guarantee. the fact is, these are going to be very much threatened olympics, probably more than any we have had in our past. >> reporter: the u.s. continues to off counterterrorism expertise to russia with ied detection software, jamming equipment and warships at the ready. all russia needs is to give the green light. >> whatever we can do, we want to do to help. but right now there has been no request from the russian government. >> and ivan watson joins us from sochi. ivan, tight security for the torch relay in dagestan. explain the steps that are happening now, and how it's impacting where you are. >> reporter: well, certainly

we're seeing the -- some of the tens of thousands of russian security forces that have descended upon this region, particularly after the deadly twin bombings that hit the city of volograd at the end of december, killing more than 30 people. and that's a couple hundred miles to the north of here. today i've seen, oh, russian warships, for example, patrolling right off the coast here in the waters of the black sea, literally just a couple hundred yards away from the olympic park. that's one of the measures we have seen. i have seen loads of security forces, for instance, with very strict controls over the train stations that are going to be very important for logistics of moving athletes and fans back and forth between different olympic venues. for instance, we couldn't even bring tv cameras into the train stations, because we were blocked by the police. and another measure we have heard about from locals is that cars that are not registered

here, michael, are not allowed to even enter the sochi region. and if you happened to have a car registered from outside of sochi, after january 7th, those drivers, they simply can't take their car out of here, a sense of how seriously the russians are taking these potential threats from the north caucasus, just a couple hundred miles east of here. >> ivan watson, thank you very much. appreciate it. threat of a terror attack as well weighing heavily on some of the families of these olympic athletes. you can imagine. we heard earlier from two family members, a mom who says she is not going to send her daughter anywhere that she herself is afraid to go. >> yeah. and so the mom is heading to sochi and a wife, who has decided not to go to the games, because of those security concerns. have a listen. >> she is doing fine as far as feeling assured that she is

going to be okay and is safe and that we will be okay and safe. she knows that my family is planning to go. we certainly don't portray any type of fear. i'm not afraid to go. i'm excited about going, and certainly encouraged that the united states has offered to lend a hand to russia and russia has really made this a top priority. their security concerns and preparations. >> i really wanted to go. i wanted to bring my daughter. she is 6. so it would be a really great experience for her. but the more we talked about it, about two months ago, we were all on board. and -- but then we continued to talk about what our plans were, where we were going to stay. and i could just tell by the look on his face and just his reaction, and i finally just asked him, look, if -- is this going to stress you out, us being there, and he just immediately said yes. >> wow. that's sad. >> that is sad, isn't it?

up to 15,000 americans are expected to go to sochi for the winter olympics. >> we have also been watching this. the u.s. markets struggling this morning here. i want to take a look at the big board right now with new york stock exchange, things rallying a little bit. down 65, 64 or so. friday the dow dropped more than 300 points, wrapped up the worst week since 2011. it was sad to see. >> yeah. it was actually up .25 earlier in the day so it's now dipped from there. financial experts, they're saying that anxiety in emerging markets overseas is one of the things rattling wall street. what does that mean? alison kosik here so explain. that's sort of part of it, isn't it? not all of it. >> reporter: it's a huge part, michael and suzanne. we know from our own recession that the global economy is very interconnected. and what happens in one country can have a ripple effect elsewhere. the big selloff in the u.s. and around the world last week happened because of worries of those so-called emerging markets

or also known as smaller financial markets. so how does that affect the u.s.? why does it affect the u.s.? our economy, you look at it, it's been improving. that's a good thing. but here's the other thing. it means that the fed is likely to continue pulling back on the stimulus that it's been pouring into the financial system. it's been pumping out so much easy money that these emerging countries like turkey and argentina had gotten in flows, and now slowing down, wall street pulling its cash out of those markets which could wind up making it harder for countries to pay its bills. also interest rates expected to edge higher which means for these countries it's going to be more expensive for them to borrow. throw in the fact that these markets are also an important source of profits for u.s. companies. and there you've got that fear that the problems there could ripple over here, especially affecting company profits, something that wall street obviously watches very, very closely. suzanne and michael. >> indeed, that's right.

corporate earnings still coming out. alison, good to see you. and airlines flying one of the most popular passenger jets in the world today got a mandate from the faa to replace parts in the jet's tail that could cause the pilots to lose control of the plane. we're talking about the boeing 767. >> that's not something you want to hear, is it? the federal aviation administration is ordering inspections of the jet liner. it is not the first time, either, that the plane's safety and structure have been under review. and rene marsh joining from washington. what is the problem, rene, and should passengers be a little worried or not? >> well, short answer, most likely if you're boarding a plane today, as you're watching us, you're most likely going to be okay. so let's talk a little bit about what the issue is here. if you've been on a transatlantic flight, chances are you've been on a 767. the concern surrounds parts in the tail of the plane, and these parts, they control the plane's

ability to move up and down through the air. now, the faa says these parts could jam, and they could lead to the plane's nose being too high or too low. and in turn, the pilot could lose control. so what do they do today? they mandated that all carriers replace this potentially faulty part in the tail of the plane. but again, if you're about to get on this 767, we want to put this in context for you. this potential issue has never caused a plane crash or incident. it's been a known problem since 2000, and manufacturers and carriers have largely addressed it through frequent inspections. so what is new today is that the faa is mandating not just inspections, but replacing the parts, which we should add many manufacturers have already done voluntarily. >> rene, i guess i'm one of those people who is going to be boarding a plane later today, this afternoon. >> i was last week. >> should i be calling my airline, a., to find out is this the kind of plane they're

flying, and do we expect any flights will be grounded because of this? >> well, the short answer is, you will probably be okay, suzanne, if you are getting on that 767. i'm going to put money that your flight will not be cancelled as a result of this. the deal is, they have almost a year to replace the parts. so we're not expecting this issue to create any problems for the carriers as far as grounding their fleet or anything like that. and keep in mind, once again, many have already taken action, suzanne. >> all right. rene, thank you. i'll get on that plane. >> you'll be fine. >> i'm not going to get on a ship. >> no. >> because of this. >> yes, yes, exactly. this. another -- let's call it a sick cruise ship, heading back to port. 600 passengers are ill. also crew members on board the ship. >> what was supposed to be a ten-day vacation aboard royal caribbean's "explorer of the cease" you can imagine the cliche turned into a nightmare, people throwing up, tyreea, the

symptoms consistent with norovirus. >> spreads quickly, too. when the ship returns to new jersey, the company says it's going to sanitize the vessel from stem to stern to make sure any remaining traces of the illness are wiped out. >> i've never had a good cruise experience. i just have to tell you. >> ruin your day, wouldn't it? >> yeah. >> that thing spreads like wi wildfire, that particular virus. >> here's more of what we're working on for "around the world." >> protesters gathering in the streets of paris, not happy with french president francois hollande, his policies or actually his behavior after rumors of an affair. hollande and the first lady are splitting up. so will a french actress become the new first lady? and pope francis says that women should take a bigger role in the church and in the workplace.

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some french protesters are demanding that president francois hollande resign. several thousand people marching through paris. police say more than 200 people arrested and several officers were hurt. protesters are angry with france's nearly 11% unemployment rate. >> and we have just learned,

french jobless claims for december actually hit a new record, so those people will be even less happy. they're also not thrilled with the drama in hollande's personal life, either. speaking of which, the split is official now. monday somewhat hollande has announced his relationship with the de facto first lady weeks after accused of having an affair. valerie trierweiler on a charity trip in india says don't worry about me, i'll be fine. here is erin mclaughlin. >> reporter: after more than two weeks of wondering, are they on or are they off, now we know. president francois hollande has broken off his nearly seven-year relationship with valerie trierweiler, meaning her days as france's first lady are over. hollande's salacious love triangle made global headlines. his alleged infidelity to tree weiler with a new paramore,

actress julie gayet. >> he believes that each person has the right to a private life. >> reporter: trierweiler now on the move, arriving in india on a private humanitarian trip, after a wild week that included a trip to the hospital for exhaustion. she gave a press conference in mumbai, saying she is doing well. and for people not to worry. and this weekend, she said goodbye to her staff at the palace, tweeting, "wall all of my gratitude goes to the extraordinary people. i will never forget the devotion or emotion at the time of leaving." hours before announcing the break-up, hollande gave an exclusive interview to "time" magazine reporter vivian walt. >> saturday morning, no one around, except for this one rather small physically president rattling around in his huge empty palace. >> reporter: as far gayet, she

is keeping private. the details of her republic with hollande. meanwhile, questions have clouded his trips to the netherlands and vatican. this week he travels to turkey and his first visit to the white house days away. >> before arriving in washington, you kind of have to have your personal life sorted out, or you will run the risk of getting eaten alive by the american media. >> hollande is expected to arrive at the white house for a state dinner. this is february 11th. and we know that trierweiler is not going to be with him. we're not exactly sure if he is bringing a date. a lot of people are wondering here. >> we guess no. >> we don't think so. we don't think the actress will show up. >> it remains to be seen, but i don't think he'll go that far. a lot of analysts say julie gayet would not be there. >> maybe he should just go as a bachelor. >> i think it's a good idea. edward snowden making new

accusations against the nsa, this time for the former nsa contractor has now told the german public broadcaster, ard, the nsa's spying also included industrial espionage. >> he says that companies were targeted, even if there was no threat to national security. and he also says u.s. officials want to have him killed. this is what he says. quote, these people, and they are government officials, have said they would love to put a bullet in my head, or poison me when i come out of the supermarket, and then watch me die in the shower. unquote. >>. in syria, new hope for women and children who are suffering in the civil war. as you can imagine, the syrian government now has agreed to let them leave the city of oems, which has been under siege for months. we got word from the red cross less than an hour ago that no civilians have actually left the city. >> meanwhile, the u.s. is once again sending deliveries of what they're call nonlethal aid to

syrian opposition groups. that was suspected, you may remember, back in december after islamist militants raided a warehouse held by the western-backed free syrian army and got a lot of that aid. and another deadly weekend in iraq. this time car bombs going off in three areas. is this country about to head into all-out civil war? [ intercom ] drivers, to your marks. go! [ male announcer ] it's chaos out there. but the m-class sees in your blind spot... ♪ pulls you back into your lane... ♪ even brakes all by itself. it's almost like it couldn't crash... even if it tried. the 2014 m-class. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services.

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now to the violence in iraq. six people killed, 22 others wounded in the car bombings in the oil-rich city yesterday.

fighting forces left the country two years ago. if you have been watching our coverage the last couple weeks, you know that my co anchor here with me spent a couple weeks on the ground and just got back this week. let's talk about it. what did you learn? you were there when u.s. troops pulled out, during the height of the fighting. what is it like today? >> yeah, it was my 14th trip this, actually. and i think the thing that struck me most of all is the level of insecurity within the city itself. the city is awash in security forces. check points, which cause massive traffic jams and just a general security presence. but while we were there, i think more than 30 car bombs went off in baghdad. that doesn't count -- >> 30. >> 30 in the capital. we had three days where we had six go off inside of an hour. and sitting at our workplace and listening to them going off. boom here, boom there. within an hour, happened three separate nights. that that happened. so even though the city is awash

in security, they are getting these car bombs in. i think in the time i was there, you know, something like 140 people were killed. and that means 500 or so were wounded in terrible ways. so the other thing is, a hard -- hardening of the sectarian division there between sunni and shia, that is a lot worse than i remember last time. >> and michael, your reports -- they were excellent. what you did -- it seemed you took stories about normal iraqi people, just folks who have families who were targeted for no particular reason. i remember a story you did about the guys with the watermelons, selling right there in the market. >> lost three sons, yeah. >> is that the typical iraqi family, they're afraid and just might be a target at any moment? >> absolutely. it sounds -- there is our team there, good team we had there in baghdad. you know -- yeah, it sounds mellow dramatic when you're sitting here in the comfort of the united states, and say something like when you go to work in the morning, fathers and mothers, if they go out of the

house, they will say goodbye to their family, literally not knowing if they'll get home that night. that sounds like an exage -- it's not. this is happening all of the time, every day. bombs going off. and the thing is, because of the security presence, government buildings and sort of the traditional targets, people don't get to bomb those. so what do they do, they go to marketplaces. this is the family you were talking about, lost their son to a bombing in the marketplace in the watermelon store in 2007, and last year two other sons killed in another bombing. completely innocent bystanders. and if there is one thing i like to do when i go there, you talk the politics and you talk the sectarian division, and you talk the role of the government there, which has been vital in making this split happen. but you really want to personalize it. you want to say to people, iraq is not full of terrorists or al qaeda. >> sure. >> iraq is full of you and me who just want to live a life, send the kids to school, go to work and get home alive. >> michael, some of the shots we saw too, talking to iraqi

officials. do they have any kind of ideas or ways the u.s. can help or other people can get involved in stopping the fighting and stopping what's going on there? >> you know, it's got to come from the government. the u.s. is talking about sending weapons to help nouri al maliki. it's a shia-led government, he's got the battle going on in anbar province, which is sunni, of course. but the whole root cause of it at its core is the fact that the al maliki government since 2006 has been a sectarian government. has shut out the sunnis, disenfranchised them, alienated to the point where they're now allies, uneasy allies, allies of convenience, with al qaeda. and al qaeda-linked groups. and this is where we're seeing the violence increase. the government has got to reach out and there's got to be some sort of reconciliation before it's too late. and you can see that in the distance. >> i'm so glad you went. for selfish reasons, glad you're back. >> thank you. president obama gives his state of the union address tomorrow. and he is now pulling out a new

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welcome back. president obama delivering his state of the union address tomorrow. he's going to be laying out his plans for the year ahead. things like i guess immigration reform, something he's been wanting to do for a while. also the jobs issue and raising the minimum wage. >> and the white house also says the president is going to use more of his executive powers, rely less on congress to try to

get some stuff done. and as the new game plan coming from the president's job approval that has been taking a beating, our latest cnn poll of polls showing 51% disapprove of how the president is handling his job. >> yeah. 44% approve. that is up just a little bit. in november, after the fallout from the government shutdown, 55% disapproved of his performance. >> so want to bring in our wolf blitzer from washington. and wolf, let's talk about tuesday night's address, setting the stage for this so-called new game plan, if you will, really trying to get around congress to get some stuff done through executive orders or these kind of public/private partnerships. do we think that is the kind of message here that's going to resonate with voters and say, okay, at least for the next two years he is going to accomplish something on the agenda? >> he's going to try to do that. he's already tried to do certain things through executive orders, signing orders without getting congressional authorization, congressional approval. i'm sure he's going to do a lot more of that. but there are limits what you

can do, limit as far as the u.s. constitution as far as the law is concerned. also, you know, on some of these issues, he really does need congress to weigh in and pass legislation in order to get the situation under control. look, there are a lot of differences, but there are some openings, including some potential modest reforms as far as immigration reform is concerned right now. the administration won't get everything they want, including let's say a pathway to citizenship for some 12 million illegal immigrants here in the united states. but they might be able to get something going. i think there are some republicans, including the house speake speaker, john boehner, willing to work on it. if they're willing to settle for something as opposed to nothing, may not be perfect from either's perspective. it will be something. that's one area that i think the president might be able to get something done. >> interesting, your take on this too, wolf, and on that same issue. you know, one of the reasons he's looking to these executive orders, and the go-around, if you like, congress won't pass anything that he puts forward,

the republican-controlled house. is there anymore of a climate in washington to allow him to get some? or is it still a no? >> i was sort of encouraged when they did pass this budget that the house and the senate went ahead and passed a two-year budget so there would be no more government shutdowns, at least over the next two years. let's see what happens in february. by the end of february, they have to raise the nation's debt ceiling. the president cease just do it, just raise the nation's debt ceiling, don't attach any conditions. he says he's not going to pay ransom to the congress because republicans would like to use that to get some concessions from the administration. let's see if they can do that without causing another crisis that potentially could result in another downgrading of america's credit standing around the world right now. that will be a significant test. i wouldn't go -- i don't think they're going to get a lot done as far as comprehensive tax reform or gun control. some of the other issues he raised a year ago in the state

of the union address, there's going to be strong divisions, especially during this congressional midterm election year. >> all right. wolf, very interesting, the fact, too, you're going to have three republican responses and an official response, alternate response, tea party. when we have more time, we'll get into all of the details regarding that. but really a party that is split when it comes to how they're even going to respond to the president's message. >> exactly. >> tomorrow night. and wolf blitzer is going to be all over this. >> all over it. wolf g to see you. >> welcome back, michael. good to have you back. >> thank you, wolf. appreciate that, my friend. a reminder, too. you can watch president obama's speech tuesday, right here on cnn. the coverage of the state of the union, live from washington with wolf and all of the team there in d.c. that's 7:00 p.m. eastern. >> also, i'm going to be in the state of iowa on tuesday. talking to voters in des moines, all about what they want to hear from the president and also if they have actually heard what they want to hear, if they're

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the former head of the united nations, kofi annan and several members of what is known as the elder's group. >> they're trying to build on a recent nuclear deal that iran

reached with world leaders. kofi annan and his team want to work toward a final nuclear settlement. under the current agreement, the iranians have stopped the enrichment of uranium to 20%. now, in exchange, they get the li lifting of some international sanctions. >> we want to bring in our own jim sciutto, joining us live from the iranian capital. let's talk about a couple things here. many people have said there are not a lot of folks who potentially believe the six-month agreement with iran is going to lead to some comprehensive deal when it comes to the enrichment program. president obama is expected to talk about this in the state of the union address tomorrow. what do the people there in iran, inside of iran, what do they tell you they want from the united states and are they even listening? do you think they will be engaged in what president obama is going to say? >> reporter: well, they are definitely engaged in these negotiations and they lesson to the words that come out president, secretary of state

john kerry. and the one thing that hits them here is the effect of the economic sanctions. that's what affect not just the government and major businesses, but the lives of individuals here. it affects whether the planes they fly on can get spare parts to make them safer. it affects whether they can get spare parts for their cars. but one of the toughest ways it has affected them is medical supplies. we went earlier this week to a cancer clinic here, because many of the best chemotherapy drugs are made in europe and the u.s. and under the most recent sanctions, they can't be bought here. and that's meant that people suffering cancer can't get the best drugs to treat their disease. we spoke to one woman, nila, mother of two young kids, had ovarian cancer. she's here's what she told us about how they affect her. >> due to the sanction on the country, there was a kind of, i don't know, participant for

killing people. >> reporter: saying there that in effect, the sanctions are killing people. under this interim nuclear deal, one part of the sanctions relief affects medical supplies like chemotherapy drugs. that means in the coming days and weeks, those drugs will be allowed to come back in here and make a real difference. and that's really the issue, the kinds of issues that grabs iranians' attention. it's how these nuclear negotiations affect their lives individually. and they're hoping that over time, that relief will last. >> jim, a couple things. i'm interested in what they're saying about the secretary of state sort of seeming to reiterate that the military option is on the table. but i'm curious, too, in your take on iranians. it is a young population, a very with it population, connected in some ways very western-leaning in their views. i'm curious, in your take on the people you've met. >> you know, it's interesting.

i was speaking to someone from the previous generation, someone who was a student during the time when the u.s. embassy was taken over in 1979 and he told us quietly his children tell him that they blame him for the revolution, blame his generation for the revolution. wonder why their parents brought this international ostracization on iran. they feel victimized. they hook forward to a time when iran is, in the words of a couple iranians i've spoken to, is a normal country. they can travel where they want to go, do business, buy things they need, whether chemotherapy drugs or latest fashions, latest cars. that's the kind of future they want, and really for many young iranians, as you say, can't come soon enough. >> yeah. really good insight, jim. good stuff. thanks so much. good to have you here, jim sciutto. very western, trendy, western-leaning young people. >> and it's fascinating.

>> particularly in the cities. you get outside the capital, and a little more conservative. but in the city, very, very with it generation. young generation. yeah. in ukraine, protesters leave the justice ministry after a warning that a state emergency would be declared if they did not. anti-government demonstrators smashed their way into that building last night. one protester says they complied in order to avoid more difficulties in negotiations with the government. >> yeah. violent political crisis has been escalating in ukraine for weeks now. mainly in the capital kiev. but now elsewhere, as well. the opposition pushing for the president to resign, along with other concessions they would like, as well. >> today is holocaust remembrance day. 69 years since the liberation of auschwitz. survivors held a ceremony this morning at the former nazi concentration camp. they were joined by an

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pope francis has surprised catholics and noncatholics alike. >> again? >> again, yes. the story keeps giving here. initially talked about not judging gay people and his modest lifestyle which attracted a lot of attention and defending the poor. it's something he said over the weekend about women that has got folks talking. >> here is what he told an italian women's group. he said that he is happy to see,

and i'm quoting here now, many women share some pastoral responsibilities in priests and looking after persons, families and groups. and he also said he opened to see the spaces for a more diffuse and decisive presence in the church expanded. well, what does it mean? senior vatican analyst, john allen s just the man to explain it. he's not saying women priests. let's get that straight, right? >> absolutely, michael and suzanne. i think in many ways, it is easier to say what this doesn't mean than what it does. pope francis on a variety of different occasions has said that the door to women and priests was closed under john paul ii and will stay shut on his watch. in a recent interview with the italian newspaper, he said also he is not open to the idea of women cardinals. in fact, he said anyone who is calling for a woman cardinal

suffers from what he called "clericalism" meaning the only way to be important in the catholic church is to be a member of the clergy. so those options are off the table. however, he clearly is calling for expanded roles for women in any way that doesn't involve a roman ch roman collar. that is, doesn't involve making them a member of the clergy. so let me give you a couple for instances. one possibility is the pope francis could name a woman, for example, to be his top spokesperson. in effect, the most visible figure in the catholic church after the pope himself. another possibility, he is currently working on restructuring vatican finances. he could name to run the office in the vatican in charge of its money management, which is in catholic life a pretty consequential job. and so i think those are the kind of things he has in mind

when he talks about trying to expand roles for women in the church, michael and suzanne. >> and so john, he also says the presence of women in a domestic setting turns out to be so necessary for the transmission to future generations of solid and world principles and very transmission of the faith here. so michael, we're kind of debating. is this patronizing or something that's real? >> old-school, isn't it, john? >> well, look, i think it is utterly real in the sense that -- and i speak now as somebody who grew up catholic. i will tell you that my mom was the central figure in my own sense of what the church was all about. and is so i think francis in that sense has his finger on what ordinary people in the catholic church experience all of the time. but it's clear in the speech -- and by the way, i was at that meeting with the italian women center where francis made these remarks. it was utterly clear to me that

he was saying, this role that women play as mothers and as the primary educators in the faith for children should not come at the expense of women also playing important roles in the church and in the society outside the church. because he was also talking about the importance of promoting women as is critically important figures in the roles of politics and finance and so on. and linking that to the importance of them playing visible leadership roles in the church. so i think in his mind, this is not an either/or. it's a both/and. >> yeah. jorngs always good to have you there at the other end to explain all of this to us. and break it down. he's a good man, that john allen. good to see you, my friend. sharks being hunted in australia. >> no. >> yes, in australia. the government says it's trying to protect people, but many people are demanding that the sharks be protected. we're going to talk to an expert up ahead. are you ready grandma? just a second, sweetie.

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welcome back. conversationists outraged that australia is allowing sharks to be hunted and killed. very specific in one state at the moment. but it's happening. it's a program that started. and this after seven people have died in shark attacks. this is western australia, my home state. they had that many dead in, what, three years or so. >> and authorities there insist they're putting people first here. director of research and conservation at the aquarium. explain this to us. does it work, not work, and is there cause or circumstance for killing sharks? >> no, basically, there isn't. there is no statistical evidence that culling sharks is going to do anything to reduce the number of shark incidents that happen. and they're so rare that even if it did, your ability to detect

it statistically would be really low. >> so it's the jaws effect, isn't it? and this is my home state, you're an aussie. and you get a few shark attacks and everyone goes, sharks everywhere, do something. when, in fact, it is pretty rare. and you see this as a knee-jerk thing. >> it's funny you mentioned jaws, because it's just like the scene when they go out to get the monster. and it's an equally dated approach. there are much better ways with ariel patrols and spotting towerses and judicious beach closures that will help protect people a lot more than going out and indiscriminately killing sharks over a certain size. >> yeah. and how do you do that? how do you actually -- are you able to curb -- cull the population there, and protect people? because i bet if you're the -- if you're the victim of a shark attack, you know, you're thinking differently. >> sure, yeah. it's really tragic for the people who have been victims of shark attacks. but you have to put it in context that this is eight people over the course of five years, far more people die of

lightning strikes. and you know, this is equivalent to going out and trying to attack the clouds after a lightning strike and probably just about as effective. >> and there has been a backlash against this, too, in australia, too. a lot of conservativists up in harms and going out and taking the bait off these drum lines being dropped. the reality, the chance of you catching the shark that did the attacking would be slim, right? >> it would be -- as small as the chance of being attacked in the first place. it really is probably a biologically waste of time. there are much better things we could do with effort to try to educate people about how to interact with sharks in the ocean in a more safe fashion and patrol the beaches in a better way than to go out and there and kill animals that are really under a tremendous amount of pressure already. >> yeah. that's true. and as we were saying during the break before, we're not their choice of food, are we? >> no, we're not. they're really after fish and other marine mammals and surfers and swimmers in the shallow water is not what they're after. unfortunately, they can't really

tell the difference. they have to bite first and ask questions later. >> all right. thank you. >> hopefully they don't hit the femoral artery when they take that bite. you're right. good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> i know you're a surfer, as well. >> i saw a tiger shark swim underneath me once. that was an adventure. we've got to go. >> thanks for watching "around the world." the world." "cnn newsroom" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com right now, hillary clinton opening up, sharing her biggest regrets. and the president and his team polishing up his state of the union address in the speech job creation, immigration, a path forward that doesn't include congress, necessarily. and right now, a maryland mall is reopening 48 hours after two store workers were shot and killed. we have brand-new video coming in that shows us the crime scene.