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bridge. the governor first ignored the allegations and came word of the ee-mails including one of the deputy chief of staff bridgett kelly. time for traffic problems in fort lee. the next day governor christie holding the marathon news conference. >> i was blind sided yesterday morning. it was the first time i knew about this and the first time i have seen documents revealed yesterday. i had no knowledge or involvement in this issue and i knew nothing about this. i had no knowledge of this. i first found out about it after it was over. i didn't know about it. i'm more focused on why the truth wasn't told to me. i found this out at 8:50 yesterday morning. i found out at 9:00. it was revealed yesterday, i was shocked by it.

i'm not happy i was blind sided. i'm not proud i was blind sided. it was the first i knew of any of the e-mails contained in the story. >> it was interesting to not close the book on this, not even among supporters. >> i think if he is telling the truth and handled it that way this thing turns out to be a problem but one that has another side to it. if he is not telling the truth i think we will find it out and then his political career is in jeopardy and all of these bad things will happen. >> today development that could be a bad sign for the governor. it comes in the form of a letter. he writes evidence exists tying mr. christie to having knowledge of the lane closures during the period when the lanes closed contrary to what was said

publicly. evidence exists, he says. he does not say what kind of evidence it is. he doesn't say where the evidence is or why the evidence if it does come from the client was not provided in the e-mail. he also does not say there is evidence that governor christie knew about it before the fact. this is the governor leaving a function at a howard stern party a moment ago. earlier a statement issued saying he had no prior knowledge of the lane closures before it happened and mr. wildstein's motivation for closing them. as the governor said he only first learned lanes were closed when it was reported by the press. as he said january 9 had no indication it was nothing more than traffic study.

a lot of ground to cover. on the phone is sean boburg of burton county new jersey. senior legal analyst joins us and dana bash. does what the lawyer for wildstein, does it contradict what the governor of new jersey said? >> he said i had no prior knowledge. the governor said i didn't know about it while it was going on. wildstein is saying evidence exists to this and says i have evidence that the governor pf's statements about me were wrong. >> is the governor saying he didn't know the lanes were closed while it was going on or didn't know the alleged political reasons? >> he didn't know the lanes were closed -- now saying i didn't know prior to this nor the

motivation. the point from the lawyer is wildstein who was the eyes and ears is saying what he said is wrong. i can contradict that. >> wildstein it seems like has taken issue with some of the things that chris christie has said about wildstein. >> chris christie stood up at that press conference and said my friendship has been overstated. we weren't even acquaintances in high school. i barely knew him. i had no idea what he was doing. i think there is a feeling that this antagonized david wildstein causing him to say i will prove you wrong. >> next week what happens? >> next week the legislature has issued subpoenas to 18 people and those subpoenas are due in

on monday. i think next week we start to see information leak out and who among the people will plead the fifth. >> some were saying that christie and wildstein were high school buddies. christie shot that down completely. i want to play the sound byte of what he said. >> david and i were not friends in high school. we were not acquaintances in high school. we didn't travel same circles. i was class president and athlete. i don't know what david was doing during that time. >> it seems like maybe he was antagonized. >> it is revenge of the nerds today. this is obviously a complicated political story. there is such an interesting personal dimension. david wildstein was most well known in new jersey as a blogger, someone who followed new jersey politics intimately.

he finally gets his chance to be in the or somewhere near the inner circle of the governor and here when everything hits the fan the governor just throws him under the bus. david wildstein is not finished talking. he is looking for a deal. the purpose of the letter was to get the port authority to pay his legal fees which they did not agree to do. the larger purpose i think is that he wants immunity. the action is with the u.s. attorney who is the only person in the process who has the power to grant immunity. basically wildstein is saying come to me and i will give you jewels if you give me immunity. >> does that den call into question the vorasity of what he is saying? clearly he is wanting something from this.

>> absolutely, that is the tradeoff to what is going on here. to me what is most important part of that letter are the two references to documentary evidence to facts that he says prove that christie was not telling the truth at the news conference. christie's people can always discredit wildstein as bitter and bittered, president of the av club who resents the class president. if he has e-mails and texts that refute christie then christie is really in a world of trouble. >> dana, there are a world of unanswered questions. >> absolutely. the documents that back up what he is alleging in this letter. i spoke with the man who was co chair of the investigation going on in new jersey today. they have none of it. they are hoping they get it monday when the subpoenas are

due. one did go to david wildstein asking for information he has pertaining to this. i think if you really look carefully at what this letter said it doesn't necessarily negate what the governor said in the past meaning it says that they have some evidence that makes clear that the governor knew about these lane closings while they were happening. in his press conference he said that he read reports about it. you have to actually ask whether or not there really is a smoking gun here. on the surface it doesn't look like it. it looks more like what jeff was saying that the main purpose of the letter was to convince the port authority to pay this guy's legal fees and they are dangling it out there saying you better pay it or else we spill the beans on chris christie.

>> you broke the news that got the existence of the e-mails between christie staff. what are you hearing from your sources now? >> what i'm hearing ties in with what your other guests have said. there are two issues here. there is a political issue and that is holding christie accountable to previous comments and whether they were truthful. there is going to be a lot of scrutiny about what he knew and when he knew it. what you are seeing in the letter which is very carefully worded is possibly to federal prosecutors. that touches to the other aspect of this, legal, the criminal investigation. there is insinuation that he has information to offer. what the letterer leaves out is what sort of evidence exists and is there evidence that christie knew the motivation between the lane closures. it is one thing to know that lanes were closed. the potentially criminal aspect

here is the purpose for those lane closures. very carefully worded and crafted let rsz today and there is a lot of unanswered questions. >> those are very important distinctions to keep in mind. dana bash appreciate you being on. i want to talk more about the political repercussions. david gurgen will join the conversation. and also amanda knox revealing her fears days before an italian court found her guilty of murder again. open t. open to bold ideas. that's why new york has a new plan -- dozens of tax free zones all across the state. move here, expand here, or start a new business here and pay no taxes for ten years... we're new york. if there's something that creates more jobs, and grows more businesses...

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chris christie knew about the lane closings, an allegation governor once treated as a joke. >> i work the cones on that. i was actually the guy out there. i was in overalls and a hat. i was the guy working the cones out there. >> certainly not a joke now. joining the conversation is senior political analyst david gurgen. senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. >> the documents you wrote about

in the times a lot was redacted. there were e-mails that wildstein provided between he and bridgett kelly. has he provided unredacted documents? >> his lawyer said he will turn them over. the legislature says they haven't gotten them yet. that is what makes this interesting is that what we know so far we know from david wildstein. we know it was bridget kelly who sent the e-mail saying time for traffic problems in fort lee. the possibility that david wildstein has more information is very real. >> you said christie might be able to weather this politicly as long as it is shown he didn't know about this advance or order the lane closurers. we kboent know whether that is the case. >> i think they are very great for him. if this letter proves to be accurate, contrary to what we

heard earlier i read it as directly contradicting what the governor said in two press conferences. he said he didn't know anything about the lane closings until the episode was over. he said he knew there was evidence tying him to knowing the lane closures were there. let's take a good example. the newark star ledger in new jersey, left leaning newspaper but a newspaper that endorsed governor christie in 2013 has come out tonight to say if this letter is accurate he must resign. he must resign. if he won't resign he must be impeached. that is tough stuff if you want to run for the white house. >> do you think this makes it likely chris will be called in by u.s. attorneys? >> that's a certainty. the u.s. attorney is not going to call him in until the u.s.

attorney has examined all the documents, has subpoenaed everything. once you start subpoenaing one set of documents those raise questions about other documents which he will need. all of this is going to take a long time to be resolved. this is not a question of weeks now. it is months. and politicly that's a disaster. legally i still think christie is probably not in any legal jeopardy. for a guy thinking about running for president a months long inquiry is nothing but bad news. >> wildstein has taken the fifth already. does he continue to do this? >> absolutely. he is going to continue to take the fifth until and unless the u.s. attorney gives him immunity. the legislative committee getting the documents on monday don't have the power to grant immunity. only the u.s. attorney in this system has the power to give

iimmunity. so we are still not going to hear from david wildstein for some time because i'm certain the u.s. attorney is not going to make that decision too quickly. again, it will be extended over weeks and months until or unless he may ultimately decide not to give immunity. all of this is going to take a considerable amount of time. and that's just not good for a politician. >> what is known publicly about the status of the u.s. attorney investigation? >> what another letter today explaining christie's former campaign manager will take the fifth and not turn over documents that says is a grand jury into this. that is the most we know. we know they are looking into evidence about related allegations in hoboken. so we know the u.s. attorney is looking into this pretty aggressively. >> some said the governor should want a complete investigation, a full investigation by u.s.

attorney appointed by president obama, that might be the best outcome for him. do you agree? >> you are never quite sure about that kind of thing. i have been in situations where presidents asked for special prosecutors. you can get a wildcard as a special prosecutor and start expeditions. it is well beyond your control. you don't know whether you want to go to a federal prosecutor. i do think it is in his interest if he wants to have a political future to have a full house cleaning on this and all of the documents out and everybody testifies and see where it plays out. if he is innocent he is innocent. if not it is over. >> let's talkt about it on twitter. just ahead on the program amanda knox speaking out about her new conviction for the

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that conviction was overturned. knox didn't go back to italy for the retrial. the news she had been dreading came just yesterday. >> amanda knox was in seattle watching italian television coverage of her trial when the judge read the guilty verdict. she spoke to good morning america about her latest conviction. >> my first reaction was no. this is wrong. i am going to do everything i can to prove that it is. i felt very determined. and my family felt very determined but it was only on my way here that i really got my first cry. this really has hit me like a train. i did not expect this to happen. i really expected so much better from the italian justice system. they found me innocent before. >> knox's boyfriend at the time of the murder was also

re-convicted. unlike knox he was in italy for the new trial. after the verdict he was arrested. he says he wasn't trying to escape but was planning a trip if found innocent. he spoke with nbc news this morning. >> i didn't expect it. the first thing that came to my mind was to wait for the reasons of the verdict. i don't want to comment on anything about that. it was completely unexpected. i will look into the reasons of it. >> his attorney says the fight is not over. >> translator: this is a trial without evidence. we will appeal the verdict and go to the supreme court. we are ready for an endless game of ping-pong. >> the family focusing on the memory of meredith. >> no matter the decision

nothing is going to bring meredith back, nothing will ever take away the horror of what happened to her. the best we can hope for is finally bringing the whole case to a conclusion with a conviction and everybody can move on with their lives. >> knox says she plans to fight the latest verdict but says she will never return to italy willingly. >> i really hope that people try to understand that like what you have is prosecutors and when you have a biassed investigation and coerced interrogation these things happen. i'm not crazy. >> this case has been an eye opener for those of us used to the way the u.s. legal system works. the question is what happens next. we want to dig deeper. author of "angel face, sex, herder and inside story of amanda knox."

she has been following the story for years. >> being there and knowing the italian legal system as you do were you surprised by the new verdict? >> i think in all three cases that we followed if you follow the case you know how it is going to go. the way this judge was treating the defense, he was a little bit hostile and basically said no to every request they put forward. i think a lot of us thought it was the inevitable outcome of the particular trial. circumstantial evidence in the united states doesn't count for much but in italy we see the circumstantial evidence weighs almost as much as forensic evidence. it did when she was convicted the first time and obviously did again. >> let's talk about the evidence. we had amanda knox's lawyer on stressing there was no new evidence at all. was there nothing new that led to the conviction. i know they re-tested the knife.

>> what they found after cracking open the knife and looking at a tiny piece of biological material that they thought they had missed they found amanda knox's dna and found nothing, once again of meredith kercher on the weapon, a kitchen knife. so what we consider, at least what i consider to be evidence in this case has been lacking all along. it is not the circumstantial, c conspiratorial evidence. we are talking actual physical evidence nothing that connects these two people to this crime which is why at least here people are stunned at the verdict. >> and in terms of the extradition, nothing happens until after knox exhausts her

appeal, correct? >> given the pace of the italian judicial system we could be talking about another year until there is even a final resolution of this case. she may win in which case it is over. if she loses it then becomes an extradition case. that is an exceptionally long process, as well and also a very political process. not as much a legal process where the united states state state department is going to have to decide whether to turn her over to the italian authorities. that question will be very much a political issue within the state department and there will be people weighing in like the senator from washington, maria cantwell who said we don't want her turned over. that process will be lengthy, as well. this is a long way from over. >> if she continues to be found

guilty after the appeal, if the appeal is denied or turned down or the next court considers her guilty and they do ask for extradition and the u.s. says no, if she travelled to another country that had extradition treaty with italy would she be in danger there? >> absolutely. if she has a final judgment against her italy and an extradition request out she could be marked by the cooperative police agency as someone picked up. i think any prudent lawyer would advise her even today not to leave united states because her legal situation is really perilous now and it could get much worse if she is, in fact, ultimately finally convicted in italy. >> we talked to drew about this, her lawyer yesterday. from the italian perspective did the court look at new evidence? was there anything new or

looking at the old evidence which a lot of people said was sketchy to begin with? >> i think it depends on how they are looking at it. they did retest the knife. they looked at a piece of dna evidence that had not for whatever reason after three trials had not been tested prior to this. what they didn't do and this has been misreported a lot is they didn't retest the spot that was originally attributed to meredith kercher. the prosecution maintained that little piece of dna on the groove of the blade belongs to meredith. >> the expert said the levels of material they are looking at are below the level that the united states would consider. >> wouldn't even get into a lab report let alone a court report from what i am told.

the one guy convicted of this crime and serving time had a bloody hand print inside the apartment. his dna was all over the place. that was a slam dunk. this was an incredibly gruesome crime scene. you are telling me that this woman, amanda knox are going to upheld on conviction because of a tiny spot on a knife blade that was in a kitchen drawer that was inconclusive or maybe at best consistent with possible dna of the victim is what convicts her? i understand there is differences in court systems. i'm telling you from the perspective of the legal experts i'm talking to here in the united states this wouldn't even get into an indictment. >> appreciate it. thanks very much. just ahead amanda knox in her own words as you likely never seen her before talking about what was going through her

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amanda knox says she will

fight for her innocence. amanda knox had candid conversations with guardian reporter in a coffee shop and in her apartment knox opened up about how she was feeling as she waited to hear what the italian justice system would hand down this time. this was just before knox found out she had been convicted again. >> what would it mean to you if you were found guilty? >> it would feel like a train wreck. they would order my arrest and the italian government would approach the american government and say extradite her. and i don't know what would happen. i am a marked person. and no one who is unmarked is going to understand that. like i don't know what my place is anymore. what's my role in society?

who am i after this after everyone has branded me, who am i? people ask questions like what about your behavior outside of the house the morning that you were discovered? don't you think they were justified in suspecting you? no i don't. i really don't. i have had people say to me -- again journalists. they say the argument of with this complicated case you are never going to know what the truth is. no one is going to know what the truth is. doesn't that bother you? i think you can see what the truth is if you want to see it. i am not sitting here talking about this with you because i like the attention. like the only reason that i'm talking about this is because it happens and it happens to anyone and it can happen at anytime because this [ bleep ] is legal. it is not making my situation any easier talking about this when the prosecution is talking about how they need to reclaim

the dignity of their police force and need to reclaim the dignity and the only thing i am doing is saying no. there is no dignity to this. they did not treat me with dignity. it is not making my situation better because it doesn't make any of them look good but it is the truth. one of the things that is really crazy about this story is that for some reason compared to a lot of exon rees out there people are paying attention to me. most get forgotten. most like the society puts the blame on them for some reason because it makes us uncomfortable the idea that part of our social structure has destroyed the life of a human being. and for some reason people want to know what happened to me. so for me not say something and allow these things to go by without there being a testimony against it would be negligent on my part.

>> amanda knox talking to simon headenstone. >> ryan, appreciate you joining us. you heard her saying she is speaking out for herself and for others who were wrongfully convicted. what do you make of what is happening to her? >> it is terrible and obvious based on the facts that she is innocent. she is saying she doesn't want to have to be on tv. she is not doing it for attention. i thought the same way. she is fighting for her life and has to spread awareness aboutt that. it is the same for what she is dealing with now and the reason i'm here. you have to spread awareness about these cases because if you don't no one will. >> as you said she gets attention but so many people are branded a killer or branded one thing or another by the justice system. when they are exonerated there is not head lines trumpeting their innocence. they are just released and

expected to go back. >> absolutely. they are faded in the background and the state does nothing for those people. they are basically thrown back into society and said good luck. while you are at it you will have difficulty getting jobs because of the internet and youtube and everything it will make you look bad when applying for jobs. it makes life very difficult. >> what has it been like for you now that you are out. it hasn't been that long that you are out. >> not even three months yet. i haven't had the experience of applying for jobs yet. i have been able to move around the country with my family and do a lot of different interviews and talk about a lot of different causes that i think need to be discussed. thus far i haven't lived a normal life and i believe it is coming very rapidly. >> does it scare you? >> yes. fear is something that i have been feeling for a decade now. i feel a lot less of it now that i'm out of prison. how do i move on in life? where do i go?

where is my place? society told me for the past decade that i really don't matter. fortunately i have an amazing family and amazing support group and so many beautiful people that supported online and wrote letters to the attorney general. >> you read amanda's book while in prison. >> i did. >> that is how the connection was made. >> it was. i had known about the case for some time. my father and i investigated it thoroughly. i read the book and realize what happened to her and the same things, the interrogation and things like that, what prison was like was identical. i felt the connection. when i got out she held the sign. at that point we realized we could help each other out. there is the connection there. there are more people like us. >> you are hoping to help other people. >> mario casario i started

looking at. this case is messed up. it is in illinois. with amanda people think she has this pr going for her and people throwing money at her. it is not the case. she has really good people with her but a lot of people because they think she has so much don't reach out to help her. if you believe in her and looking at the facts do something for amanda, reach out and say something online. donate. her defense is very, very expensive. and i assure you she can't really afford it. >> it has been going on for a long time. >> ryan, i'm glad you are out and exonerated and glad you are here. a really remarkable look at race and education. a documentary that traces the journey of two young boys at a prestigious private schools where most students are white. the parents of one of the boys made the film. has atrial fibr, or afib. he has the most common kind... ...it's not caused by a heart valve problem. dad, it says your afib puts you at 5 times greater risk of a stroke.

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race, class and gender. >> they decided our son is a problem. he is not a problem at home. he is not a problem in the community. he is a problem at dalton. the question is what it is about him that makes him disruptive. >> always have this thing where people dance with girls is one part and i don't like that part because i don't get to dance with the girls. they usually say no. i don't know why. they just say no which makes me feel bad. >> a quality education is a priority for both families but at what cost. >> there is a cultural disconnect between independent schools and african-american boys. we see a high rate of kids not being successful. and the question is why. >> the boys part ways at high school. their journey doesn't end there.

this film offers an inside look into two families of color and the every day challenges and choices they face all questions raised and open the door left wide open. american promise has the national broadcast premiere this monday february 3 at 10:00 p.m. eastern. the film makers are also the authors of "promises kept" raising black boys to succeed in school and life. >> make a film about your own son and his friends is a fascinating idea. you see your son growing up over the course of this film. >> we went in this thinking that it was going to be a cake walk. we were going to document the importance of diversity. shortly after beginning the process we realized diversity was not enough and that there

were other obstacles that our son faced there in terms of how he was perceived, the expectations that we had to address. >> could you tell when something was about race and when something was about typical growing pains of having a kid? >> we have these perceptions that are internalized that effect our interactions. we know what statistics are out there. it is not just constitutional issues that give us an unlevel playing field but day to day interactions that we are unconscious of that have impact on our son's performance. >> we want to make a point while talking about dalton. we were able and lucky enough to have the environment. these kinds of unconscious perceptions are ubiquitous. >> there is a scene in which he

is asking you about his skin color and asking you about it. >> if i was white i would be better off, is that true? >> you asking me? >> yes. >> what do you think? >> yes. at this school. i'm not saying i want to but isn't that right? that's what everyone else would say? >> who is everyone else? they say that? >> yes. >> in what context do they say that? >> that they would get girls at our school if white. >> as a parent and one thing as a film maker to film the scene. as a parent that has to be tough. >> it is extremely painful but necessary.

and i think what the camera allowed us to do is really delve deep into questions and to allow them to express certain feelings that they had so we could put it out in the open. >> a friend of your son who had a similar experience of your son at the school but decided at the end of eighth grade to go to another school, predominantly african-american school. we have a conversation with an educator at the school and talking about diversity. >> i'm not against kids being indiverse environments. at this point it is not really necessary. white people never talk about that. they never say i want to put my kid in a black school so things would be more diverse. people don't think that way. i don't know why we have to think that way because we can teach our kids. >> it is interesting when the conversation about diversity is

had it is always about getting more people of color into a predominantly white school as opposed to the reverse as that person was saying. >> because diversity in many instances is with having more black students. it is very important that they are culturally sensitive to their needs so it can be addressed. >> both of these schools were willing to go along with it. a lot of schools this would be a topic like no thank you. >> i think they are better for it. i think everyone involved is better for that process. >> how are they doing? >> they are both doing very well. they are happy young men. they have been traveling with

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a quick look at the head lines. >> the proposed keystone oil pipeline cleared a major hurdle today with the state department review showing no major environmentalal concerns. the state department will decide if the pipeline is in the nation's interest. a law enforcement source says a private plane jomana karadsheh carrying justin bieber was searched this afternoon. this dms after a wave of trouble for bieber. the fbi says a suspicious white powder found near the site of this weekend's super bowlb is not hazardous. no injuries were report td. here is a super bowl ad that we bet people will be talking about on monday morning.

go proshowing images from the sky dive from outer space. >> the footage is incredible. go pro is all over. it is really awesome footage. thanks very much. that does it for this edition of ac 360. this is piers morgan. super bowl xlviii is sunday. on the eve of the game big bombshell. joe namath announces hits have left him with some brain damage. hall of fame quarterback dan marino is with me. >> the matchup i'm looking at is peyton manning. number one offense in the league. >> hollywood star chris tucker joins me with his take on the sherman and