8:00 p.m. and 9 p.m. a witness told investigators he saw hoffman at the supermarket atm. >> probably going to look at the cctv to see if there is anybody in the background if the transactions were made by hoffman or somebody else who had access to his debit card, if somebody was in the background were they aiding hoffman in a transaction or supplying drugs. >> reporter: we are told investigators have interviewed hoffman's personal assistant, two law enforcement officials say neither the assistant nor david cats have been able to provide information about his alleged drug use. >> thanks very much. that's it for me. thanks for watching. "cross fire" starts right now. tonight a devastating new report predicts out of control

spending that could impact millions of workers just as senate democrats and republicans agree on more spending. >> how are we supposed to restore the american people's confidence with this. >> what is wrong with washington's priorities? on the left van jones. on the right s.e. cupp. in the cross fire senator jon tester, a montana democrat and senator roger wicker, a mississippi republican. spending our way to disaster tonight on cross fire. welcome. i'm van jones on the left. >> i'm s.e. cupp on the right. democrats suffered a major blow to their 2014 prospects today when the single worse headline

arose from the hill saying affordable care act will reduce full time employment by 2024. there is back and forth about what is in the report. let me just read it to you. the aca will reduce the total number of hours worked on net by about 1.5% to 2% from 2017 to 2024. almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor given new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive. so in plain english obamacare will disincentivise work. president obama is trying to distract you from the fact in a recent google hangout a fry cook asked the president about his hours being cut because of the affordable care act obama's response, raise the minimum wage. put those together for me. >> that is one way of looking at

it. other plain english. this means people stuck in horrible jobs and only hanging on because they need health care can make other choices. a mom can stay home with kids. a 59-year-old man -- >> in this economy? >> people have more choices. you get health security you have more freedom. we are going to debate that. we want to get into this report. i want to make sure there is other stuff in this report that you may have overlooked that i think i want to get your response to. on page 107 of the report it says the insurance coverage provisions of the aca will markedly increase the number of non-elderly people who have health insurance by about 13 million in 2014, 20 million in 2015 and 25 million in each

subsequent year through 2024. are you so opposed to this brilliant breakthrough for the american people you are going to take that health care away from america? >> are you talking to me? >> i am because i'm excited. >> we have 30 million people uninsured before obamacare was passed. when it is said and down we have 30 million or more people uncovered. and also i have to say i know you read the report. it just came out today. i only got to page 103. i do want to talk about the labor participation rate which is as bad as it has been since jimmy carter was president. and what cbo says is that 2.2 million fewer americans will choose to participate in the labor force because of that. i think that is a bad statistic.

>> he thinks that is good news. >> this is something i think we haven't gotten into. >> the report doesn't say we will decrease by 2.4 million. not businesses are going to lay people off but people choose to go to college, get better training because they are not locked into a job where if they lose the job they lose their health care. >> no one said they will be laid off. i want to be clear this is about consumer choice. i have a friend who has childhood diabetes locked out of a job. now he has flexibility. he can do whatever he wants. >> good for people participating in the labor force. this is going to reduce that.

>> 5 million people who have decided not to look for work. you think this is by choice. >> they will have flexibility. they will not be locked into a job and if they leave -- >> i appreciate you senator tester and van jones trying to spin good news out of this terrible report. but this is really the bill that you voted for, the bill that you are calling in montana a train wreck. this is something you want to go home to constituents and sell as good news? >> absolutely. you take a look at where we were. we were in a situation. by the way i was in the situation where i didn't have health insurance. every pain i got i thought was something terminal worried about getting in an accident on the farm and not only lose a lifetime that i have of building welt. that is not right. this bill gives people flexibility. they can afford to get sick.

that is the bottom line. >> i'm willing to have that debate in this election in november of this year. and i am willing to play over and over and over the president saying if you like your plan you get to keep it period. >> trust me, we will hear that a lot. >> i am willing to play over and over your majority leader saying obamacare has been wonderful for americans and we'll take this to the american people and see how that works this year. >> you know as well as i do that there isn't a campaign being run by a republican out there that they are talking about obamacare. i'm talking about what they are for. they are talking about repealing obamacare. >> at some point in time people are going to talk about what they are for. and the health care is part of the problem that we had in this country. we were losing business because of it, having transferred costs. we had hospitals going broke

because of it. the system is changing. if we can get help from the republicans -- >> i theed to move this along. >> i have a plan that i would suggest to you as a much better alternative. >> i want to move along because the other big news today was that the senate passed a farm bill. i would like to tell everyone what you guys voted for, a christmas tree levee, $100 million in syrup promotion and a study of dried fruits in school lunches. how can you guys -- i'm looking at both of you, how can you support this crap and it is crap. what happened to a ban on ear marks? >> what is this stuff larded into this bill? >> as with anything no bill is perfect. number two, there may be benefits to study fruits in school lunches. i'm a grain farmer. there may be benefits to part of

what you talked about. >> $100 million to promote maple syrup. >> you voted for it. >> there is a safety net. there is food and nutrition assistance which some people didn't like. i think it is a pretty darn good deal. it has dollars in it for conservation. it's a good overall bill. is any bill we pass perfect? . >> how did you vote for this? >> i voted for this. >> how? >> let me tell you, this has been a debate farm bill after farm bill after farm bill. the fact is that americans have the most reasonably priced food and fiber of any people on the face of the earth. i think the farm program is part of that. i also like the fact that we do reduce food stamp fraud. not as much as i wanted to but we made a stab there. the alternative would have been

to go back to an ancient program, gas prices would have quadrupled if we hadn't acted on this. i'm glad we came together. it is far from perfect. far from something that i really, really like. it was a bipartisan accomplishment. >> i love that word bipartisan. >> so do i. >> at least you guys are coming together on some things. we have the farm deal. let's talk about the next deal which is the clean debt ceiling that needs to happen so we don't ruin the full faith of the country. if we do this crazy thing we often do and run to the wire the public is saying they are going to blame gop and congress 54% if we crash into the debt ceiling. so given the bipartisan spirit with the farm bill and your belief in bipartisanship, are you going to support a clean

vote on the debt ceiling? >> no. >> in a word, no. >> we are not going to have a government shutdown. we are not going to have a default on the united states obligations, but we need to attach something to any debt ceiling bill that actually deals with the debt. something that helps us slow the growth. >> let's talk more when we get back. first we take a quick break here. when we come back i will tell you how a foreign corporation has duped three of the people sitting at this table, not me. when we get back. this is interesting.

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called trans canada is using three big myths to sucker the american people including everybody at this table and maybe you at home into supporting a special interest boondoggle called the keystone pipeline. please do not fall for this. myth thb one, they say it will create a bunch of jobs but will pretty maybe 3,000 temporary jobs and 35 permanent jobs. myth number two, it is all about oil. actually, this pipeline would carry a toxic goo of tar and chemicals 20 times dirtier than oil and the last leak it costed a billion dollars to clean up and the kalamazoo river is still a mess. number three, it is all about energy independence for america. no. this pipeline goes from canada out through the gulf coast. this stuff in the pipe is not headed for the gas station, it

is headed for china. you, my hero, my senator, my democrat, how can you fall for this complete farce? i cannot believe you support american farmers risking all of this to make a foreign corporation a lot of money selling dirty crap to china. >> you are right the job is temporary but the tax base it creates is not and it is significant. >> it needs to be done safely. no mistake about that it needs to be done safely and a heck of a lot better on a pipeline than on trains blowing up. the third thing is that private property in the united states needs to be respected. we don't want the foreign corporation running over property owners. and the last thing is we ought to keep it in the united states to support working families and businesses and help contribute. >> here is what i think is really unbelievable.

everybody says it is about american energy independence and we should be relying on canada and this corporation has refused to promise to keep it here. every plan is to get it to a port in china. >> we'll bark louder. the other thing is we happen to have a pretty big play happening which keeps it off of trucks and in the tube. there is a lot. the final thing i still farm. when i go to the tanks and put fuel in my tractor i don't have options. we haven't invested the research to develop different sources of fuel for farming or transportation fuels that we need to. i would agree with you on that. >> how will you clean it up when there is a leak? pipes leak. that is why we have plumbers. we had a pipe. you can't clean up tar. >> it has to be done right from the get go. >> isn't there a political play here? if you talk about democrats

running in red states, if they are going to -- if the president is going to oppose this isn't he basically kissing the senate >> i think it is true the american people are very much in favor of this and van -- what's wrong with construction jobs? >> i love them. >> the figure i have seen and pretty well substantiated is 42,000 construction jobs. >> 42,000 direct, indirect and induced. i love those jobs but i can get you more without risking our farmland. >> the other point is letser rr get back on the figures. the other point is you didn't say it was going to harm the environment because i guess that argument has been pretty well debunked by the state department the other day which said that

the building of the pipeline would not hurt the environment and would not cause more of this horrible carbon dioxide. >> we will continue this argument next time we have you on the show. as long as we are talking -- >> the state department said what it said. >> the report says if they are able to build the pipeline through canada then it will come out anyway. so nobody knows what will happen. we know america is not going to benefit from the pipeline. i want to move on to another topic. we are about to be in the middle of the big election season. it seems to me you guys are feeling kind of confident. you might be able to take the senate and grow your must juajon the house. you got a group called for america that is putting six figures to knock out your entire leadership. aren't you concerned that these groups attacking the established

republicans are going to ruin it once again? and leave us in power senator. >> first of all, i'm not overconfident. i am hopeful. i think there is the six year itch and obamacare and a terrible economy that we can improve on. and i think -- >> what about the crazy groups? >> i would say we ought to concentrate on replacing the senate leadership. i saw the tweet from for america. it said replace senate leadership. i said harry's got to go. i would say to those people quit taking money away from conservatives and spending it to help the democratic party which is what they are doing and spend your money to help republicans beat democrats in the november election. >> we need to switch gears because there is one thing that we haven't really talked about

and it is particularly important because we are three days away from the sochi olympics. as i see it we are trusting russia to keep our athletes safe and to secure chemical weapons in syria and trusting why? why have we empowered this bad actor with a history of horrible human rights abuses and a penchant wore wanting to stick its thumb in the united states eye and someone who is currently harboring a united states criminal? why have we given them so much power? is that a mistake? >> i think they're a player on the international scene. >> we made them a player. >> no, they've been a player for a long time. they were a bigger player before but they're still a player. in order for diplomacy to work, you need to have a coalition of countries to do it. they need to be part of the coalition. >> even secretary kerry says that the plan in syria is

failing. >> you still have to try to know. what's the other option? to go in and bomb? that didn't go over well when put in front of congress. diplomacy doesn't work, then you restart and head another direction. >> are we going to pay for trusting the russians too much? >> the congress didn't vote to put the olympics in sochi. the olympic committee i sayre day the united states has some security assets somewhere around close there. the other thing is, russia has a seat on the u.n. security council. >> that's right. >> they can veto almost anything we try to do. so we necessarily have to deal with them when we're talking about things like syria, iran. >> this is going to be a huge mistake in the future. >> don't trust. but vary phi. >> i don't verify or trust russia. >> if you cut them out of the equation, you know it's gog fail. >> we'll see where we end up in

syria. up next, van and i will reveal our outrage of the day. would you believe somebody is telling school kids they can't feed the poor? we want you to weigh in on today's fire back question, should president obama approve or reject the keystone pipeline. we'll have the results after the break. welcome back. how is everything?

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we are back with senators jon tester and roger wicker. now it's time for my outrage of the day. i'm outraged by a story you may

not have the heard about. california is suffering through the worst drought we've had in about 500 years. farmers can't grow crops. towns may lose their drinking water. we have a summer fire season, it's now year round. meanwhile, global warming deniers say look, there's snow. in the winter. nothing to worry about. this while we've got the biggest state in the union becoming a desert in front of our eyes. if this were happening in new york or d.c. or maybe new jersey, maybe the media cover it. nobody's covering it. that's outrageous. >> in the past 1,000 years, california has experienced multiple droughts, some lasting 20 years. how do we know that this isn't going. >> listen, you can argue. >> to be historically. >> you can argue it's global warming. we should be talking about it. i can't believe we aren't talking about it. american cities have to truck in drinking water and it's not news? and we've got snow in new york

and it's like 24/7. >> or even just cold weather. >> it's cold. news flash, winter. >> anyway -- >> senator tester is a farmer. your thoughts? >> climate instability is a huge problem. we had areas three years ago that were underwater that the next year were in a severe drought. that is the problem with the whole climate is instability. >> the climate's been changing for hundreds of thousands of years. some people think they've figured it out. i'm not quite so sure. >> my outrage of the day comes to you from minnesota. a state i quite like and have visited many times. its reputation for being minnesota nice is well deserved. apparently though american humanist association thinks one elementary school in golden valley is being too nice. why? because they send their students on regular field trips to a local church to help prepare meals for the poor. and that they argue is unconstitutional. seriously, aren't these militant atheists embarrassed to even

make these charges? these kids are feeding the poor. gentlemen, where are you on this issue? >> i think minnesota people are very, very nice. >> and terrible. >> they should be allowed to feed the poor from churches as well as secular charities. >> i this i that showing young people public service and the importance to contribute to your communities is very, very important and i see nothing wrong with it, lun anesthesia they were forced to listen to a sermon. >> which they're not. >> that's exactly right. you're teaching young people how to be contributors to their community, that's a positive thing. >> thanks to senators jon tester and roger wicker. go to our facebook page or twitter away on our fireback question, should president obama approve or eject the keystone pipeline. right now 41% of you say approve, 59% say reject. the debate continues on li line@cnn.com company/crossfire as well as on facebook and twitter. >> proudly from the left, i'm

van jones. >> from the right, i'm s.e. cupp. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." erin burnett "outfront" starts erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com next, breaking news. specific terror threats targeting the olympics. the chairman of the house intelligence committee is outfront. plus a report says obamacare could cost 2.5myon jobs. the headline has republicans pouncing, democrats running scared. and new details about the final hours of philip seymour hoffman's life, a man who talked to him just before he died joins us. let's go "outfront." >> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin with the breaking news.