seymour hoffman's death. we're going to go inside one of the most elite and expensive drug treatment centers in the united states. it's pretty incredible access. you won't believe how these people get treated for the rich and celebrity famous. that's tomorrow "erin burnett outfront." meantime, anderson starts now. good evening, everyone. tonight we're on a red hot money trail and covering how global thieves turn your stolen credit cart data into cash, lots of it. you won't believe how easy it is and hear how they are stealing it from you. snow warnings, freezing rain and catastrophic ice alerts what 120 million americans are facing right now tonight. wait until you hear about the storm that's right behind it. we begin tonight with new developments in the death of actor philip seymour hov of of -- hoffman. this afternoon mimi o'donnell visit add funeral home on the upper east side. a private funeral service is

being planned for family and close friends with a memorial service planned for later this month. tonight investigators are still pulling together the details of hoffman's death sunday from an apparent heroin overdose. it's already becoming clear that the former addict who had been clean for so long may have been on a downward spiral for some time. jason carroll has the latest. >> reporter: investigators tonight are looking at surveillance tapes to help piece together what happened before hoffman's death. they are already reviewing one tape from here, the standard grill in new york's trendy meat packing district, where hoffman had brunch late saturday morning, sitting at this table with two people. no security cameras at dagostino's supermarket up the street from one of hoffman's apartments in the west village. this is where a legislatorsment source says he withdrew $1200 from an atm. in six different transactions saturday night. a witness telling investigators he saw hoffman there around 8:00

p.m. while talking to two men weari we wearing mess enger bags. his former partner mimi o'donald has been questioned, once o'donald discovered hoffman was abecausing drugs, she allegedly told him he had to stay at a second apartment in the west village, not with their children. how long had hoffman been on a downward spiral? it seems quite some time judge frlg people who recently came in contact with him. >> he was fallow. his face seemed to be pock-marked. he looked tired, had bags under his eye. >> this journalist is still haunted by hoffman's physical appearance after he saw him at party at last month's sundance film festival in utah. this is hoffman's picture from sundance. the journalist said he didn't even recognize him, disturb not just by how the actor looked but by what he said. >> he said you don't recognize

me. at that point i said, well, should i know you? and he said, well, i'm a heroin addict. and at that point seeing the shock and awe on my face he took off his cap. and i immediately recognized him and said oh, you're philip seymour hoffman one of my favorite actors. at that point he said bingo. but as he was walking off he said i gist got out of rehab i think it was a cry for help. >> jason, what do we know at this point about the medical examiner? are they any closer to issuing a toxicology report? >> reporter: they're doing exactly what they need to do. but also remember in addition to all of the heroin that they found there, they also found several bottles of prescription drugs. the muscle relaxant, anti-anxiety medication. so there's a lot of testing for a lot of different substances that have to be done. and before that can all be accomplished, it may take some time. so we're still waiting for that. we've been reaching out to the medical examiner's office about

the autopsy report, about the toxicology report and what we keep getting back, anderson, is that it's just going to take some time. >>y jason, thanks. joining me is a -- studied heroin use and addiction for decades. a former undercover d.e.a. agent and police consultant. rick, the heroin that you find here in no, nobody knows more about heroin in new york than you do. you've been studying this for a long time. you and i went out to heroin shooting galleries in the late 90s. it's not just heroin. what is mixed in it? >> who knows? there's many different things mixed in it, including inert ingredients, ingredients that have some effect on the users. but most of the dealers don't actually know what's in it. >> and the purity of it, is it very pure? >> that varies considerably as well. in targets the dealers, it's to their advantage to vary the purity to maximize their

profits. they'll put out a very strong bag on monday and by friday it's very weak. >> why do they do that? >> to maximize their profits. on the first day if it has a good reputation of being strong it will attract all the users. all the users come, they'll put out a lousy product to make more money that way. >> and this brand name, apparently some of the drugs that were found in hoffman's -- -- the bags were stamped in a brand name. you've actually brought in a lot of bags, hundreds of bags you have collected over the years. we've got some pictures of it. there's no heroin obviously in any of these bags left. but they all have stamps on them with different names. why does a dealer stamp them? >> well, to identify it as his or her product. and normally they'll have two or three products. so if you actually go online and you look up the product that he was reputed to have been found with, it's there online. and you will see the other products that are affiliated with that stamp are also named online. >> and michael, in your

experience does -- if somebody o.d.s from a certain brand name, does that brand name become more popular on the streets? >> absolutely. this goes all the way back to the years when i was working the street and buying heroin. i bought i want to say thousands, but if it's not over thousands it's close to it. and i bought heroin from one particular man who i arrested who ran a cutting place. and he became an informant. and one of the things he told me that rang true for the rest of my career was that he intentionally had filled bags with super doses, hoping someone would o.d. and die. my bet is that right now the ace of spades brand that allegedly -- i say allegedly killed mr. hoffman is now hot.

on the street everyone is looking for that brand. >> so the idea is that if it killed you or killed somebody who's using then it's really strong and other people who are addicted want it. >> correct the and other dealers will go out and make a similar brand name to put out on the street as a knockoff product. >> they'll do a knock you have counterfeit of this brand. >> you have to get the psychology of the drug addict. i had the unfortunate experience of having a brother who began shooting heroin at age 15. and at one point, we got him into programs and then he was living with me at home in rockland county on the methadone program. and being a narcotic agent, i saw immediately he was back on heroin. we had the following conversation. i said, david, you're young. you're handsome. you're talented. why? and he said, you know, i probably want to die. but i don't have the nerve to do it. well, a few years later he did

have the nerve. he put a bullet to his head and wrote a note to my family and friends. i can't stand the drugs anymore. now, the lesson learned is that a drug addict's psychology, most of the ones whom i've ran with, i used as informants, i dealt with, lived with, had a similar feeling. i got that. i wafted off them this closeness to death. and it's something that has to be considered in the seymour hoffman case. from all his statements he was saying and how he was quoted up to this point, he eerily reminds me of my brother. >> rick, you've interviewed thousands of addicts and users over the years. what is the initial appeal? >> the drug makes you feel good. i mean, that's the appeal. anybody that's ever had surgery and taken the pain relief drugs note action of that stuff.

>> but at a certain point my understanding of usie using you don't get that same feeling anymore. >> but you get sick if you don't use it. for those people it's a medicine for them. for us in the harm reductions community we want to make sure they don't kill themselves. so we're doing what we can to keep people alive. frankly what we think we need here in new york is a safe injection facility. >> which they have in other cities. >> in vancouver and other cities abroad. but it saves lives. and it's sensible public health policy. >> the other thing you're working on is training addicts to -- >> overdose prevention. >> explain that. >> we train people -- obviously if you overdose you can't counter act the overdose yourself because you're unconscious. we train people in buddy systems. >> to shoot up with somebody else. >> not to shoot up with somebody else, to counter act the effects of somebody else shooting up. for example, i went and got trained. i don't use heroin.

i don't shoot it up. but i went and got trained so i'll know what to do in case i see somebody i do know. the doctor or doctor assistants who do the training actually can and do prescribe the nelaxone with you. >> that can bring somebody back. >> it does. it's happened many times at our programs where we counter acted the overdose. >> if hoffman had been with somebody else, somebody also using or not and that person. >> who had the nelaxone drug. so we give them the training. we provide them with the overdose antidote drug. >> michael, in terms of police investigation, will they be able to now try to track down where this batch of heroin came from? >> possibly. this what is fascinates me. because i've been on these kind of investigations. and now you have a media person.

so there is a drive to indict and identify the person who gave or sold the drugs to mr. hoffman to be indicted. again, because he's high profile media person. >> right. >> this is going to take in the first place informants on the street. i understand there's video of mr. hoffman. so i can assure you they're out in the area banging on informants, trying to find out who in that area is selling this. >> there's no mess enger services though in new york. >> it sounds to me as the report i heard earlier they saw somebody with messenger bags. there's delivery service for these things today. so just because you get somebody who put the drug in his hand doesn't -- i mean, technically that's the dealer. but that's just the messenger boy. that is going to serve the public interest to bag the messenger boy? i don't think so. >> it's the beginning of the investigation. one of the areas of my exper

tees is what they call blind mule defense. that is people who claim that i didn't know what was in the bag. i didn't know what was in the car. this is what happens. if you get the delivery person, he is going to almost certainly claim i didn't know what was in it. >> a lot of the stuff is produced from a central place and distributed. >> the delivery services vary considerably in their size and complexity. there are some that do it on their own and other large organizations that have 401 k plans. that's a sizeable organization. >> i appreciate both your expertise. thank you so much. important discussion. follow me at twitt twitter @andersoncooper. use #ac 360. from homeless junk any to suburban mom. next. plus how the thieves of your credit card information turn the data into cold hard cash. welcome back. how is everything?

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clean for two decades before starting to use heroin again. our next guest can speak to the addiction first hand. today she's a self-described suburban mom with three young children. 15 years ago she was a junky living on the streets of san francisco. during that time she agreed to be filmed for a documentary called "black tar heroin" because she fully expected to die from an overdose and thought her story could serve as a cautionary tale. in this clip we're about to show she's homeless and shooting up on the street. it is disturbing to watch but it

also shows what words frankly cannot. >> as a child, i was what do you call precocious. ways extremely advanced in school. i was tested as having a near genius iq really early. i became a really depressed kid. i started becoming a compulsive eater. it was just difficult. we had seen that "sid and nancy" movie. i had heard about heroin. i just thought up would be something interesting to do as a life experience. because i always said i wanted to try to do everything once. i wondered what it would be like to be that high that you die. and maybe it will be kind of like a dream like.

>> a week later tracy was arrested. it was the start of her recovery as she joins me tonight. tracy, thanks very much for being with us. looking at that, at the way you were, i assume you were searching for a vein in your leg because you couldn't find any left in your arms. what was going through your mind at the time? what was the appeal of heroin at that point? >> well, by that time i was so strung out on heroin i would shoot up anywhere. and i would spend up to an hour sitting outside looking for a vein. i was so preoccupied with getting out of the state of misery that i was in that the only thing i could possibly do was try to remain high every single day all day. >> i've heard some people describe it as sort of being wrapped in a warm blanket. >> well, by that point i wasn't really wrapped in a warm blanket so much as left out in the cold. i was homeless. i was living in alleyways.

i was just completely strung out on heroin, having to use heroin five to eight times a day. so the warm blanket was essentially gone. it was pretty much continuing to use heroin for my survival at that point. >> i'm curious, when you heard about philip seymour hoffman, what did you think? as somebody who has used and knowing that he had been through rehab i think at age 22. he was now 46 years old. what dud you -- i imagine your perspective was different maybe than mine. what were your thoughts? >> i was profoundly sad for multiple reasons. i think that access to naloxone. we have this medication that reverses the effects of an overdose but it's not widely available when it should be in every first aid kit. because people associate it with heroin users it's not widely available. i felt sad for his family. >> that's a drug that people say if you're going to shoot up you should do it with somebody else who maybe has that drug or even police should have that drug so

that first responders, because it can bring someone back from near fatality. >> yes. so we encourage people if you're going to use, use with someone who actually is going to save your life. and have naloxone present. there's also situations where the person who's prescribed prescription medication and doesn't realize that they can't have alcohol with it or they mix multiple medications, what if a family member had the opportunity to save their life if they had it on hand. >> tracy, is there anything else you want people to know? >> i think that recovery is not a destination, it's a journey. and so it's different for different people. and recovery is different for different people. so i am an abstinence-based recovery. but there's lots of different kinds of recovery. >> when you hear that somebody who's been supposedly sober for more than 20 years goes back and uses again, can you explain what that pull is? can you explain this is somebody who like you has children, has a

life, has a career. what is the draw even though after all that time? >> i think the cravings set in. something happens. there's a stimulus in your life. and cravings set, in and you feel like you're trapped. and there's no other way. there's no other solution. >> once you've tried it and had that experience or had that sense of connection to it and that sense of whatever it is being enveloped in a warm blanket, however you want to describe it, is that desire for that always there even 20 plus years later? even if it's a tiny speck on the horizon, desire that way or something you feel with each beat of fyour heart? is it always there in the back of your mind? >> i can only speak for myself. i have 15 years of being off drugs. and i know that sometimes if i'm stressed out or i'm having

different kinds of things happening in my life -- i suffer from anxiety. i have ptsd. i have depression. when i think about taking prescription medications it may not necessarily appeal to me, like taking antidepressants. but when i think about heroin that's that instant sense of relief. you may not think about the consequences in that moment, you think about simply having some kind of relief. and you know in those instances that that drug provides instantaneous relief. now, fortunately i'm able to think about all the different consequences that could happen to me because i work and i spend my life working with other people who are addicts. but i think in some people's circumstances for whatever reason at that moment they're not thinking through all the particular consequences and they're just interested in having that relief. >> getting that pain relieved immediately. tracy helton mitchell, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. let's talk more in depth about this. dr. drew pinsky, you hear her

story and it's amazing to me that the first taste she got of an opiate was vicodin after having her wisdom teeth out. that was the beginning of it. >> that's usually the way it goes these days. she was at the leading edge of this kind often none, people start with pills. when they can't get the pills they graduate to heroin. cheaper, more intense. >> and what is it about opioids? >> you're trying to understand it. in spite of all the razzing i've given you about ambien over the years you're not an addict. only addicts would appreciate that i'm in love with this. as she talked about it it's relief. everything's okay. oftentimes particular people she said she had ptsd. she must have had trauma. this provides relief and everything's okay and i'm in my mom's arms. >> that sense of well-being, how long does that last for? >> about four hours. you're looking for it again. as time goes along it's more and more difficult to get that. the consequence of not using you're in worse shape now than when you started.

>> tracy was saying for her total abstinence was the only way. >> if you got opiate addiction we would go for that. if you end up on methadone or -- for people who wants to regain a fully flourishing life that's the way to go. >> does that mean you can't take a pain pill? >> if she does, shelley with the glasses, she had a surgeon woke up after surgery been given some morphine. she said even with all her knowledge her disease fully activated. she started isolating, lying, manipulating the nurse to give her the next med. nothing she could do about >> it she talked about naloxone. that's something which really -- >> it reverses. knocks the opiates from the receptor site to they're not affecting the brain anymore. >> it's such an insidious thain. you can see more on dr. drew on call on hln tonight at 9:00. up next the latest on a

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welcome back. a winter storm walloped parts of the plains and midwest today, move into the northeast tonight and tomorrow packing snow and dangerous ice as well. it is a giant weather system, could affect 120 million people. it's what it looks like right now in crown point, indiana, about 50 miles south of downtown chicago where snow is falling tonight. look at that image. wow.

snowplows were out across wichita, kansas the storm dropped a heavy coating. the governor has declared a state of emergency in that state of kansas. two people were killed in an accident on the road caused by storms. public schools in wichita will be closed tomorrow. the national weather service has posted winter storm warnings and advisories across the northeast and new england through tomorrow. boston could see ten inches of snow, freezing rain in the d.c. metro area could blanket that entire region in a coating of ice. and new jersey governor chris christie issued a state of emergency ahead of the storm. seems all we can do now is hope for an early spring to put an end to a winter that feels like the worst in memory for millions of us. >> reporter: -- >> brutal cold. highways a the a standstill. cities paralyzed. government shut down. winter doesn't officially end for another six weeks but it's already setting records. nearly 40 inches fell in detroit in january alone. even south wasn't spared.

charleston, south carolina a birmingham, alabama, all felt winter's bite, all hitting record lows. across the country it's the coldest winter in 20 years, making the weather phenomenon the polar vortex a household word and pileups like this and this and this all too common occurrences. airports have felt the pain as well. just yesterday more than 2,000 flights in the new york area were canceled. a super headache for fans trying to get home from the super bowl. and there's more to come and soon. heavy snow and ice is forecast to pummel more than 2 dozen states in the east and midwest by tomorrow. >> and it keeps getting worse. more than 3,000 flights have been canceled today and tomorrow due to the latest some. jennifer gray has more. there's this other big storm hitting the northeast tomorrow. we're where is it going to get hit? >> it's been a parade of winter storms over and over. it's not letting up. this storm that we saw in portion of kansas, arkansas, it is on the move. you can see chicago getting the

snow tonight. detroit, cleveland, indianapolis, look at all these winter storm warnings, watches. we even have ice storm warnings for cincinnati. and that goes through tomorrow morning. the storm will push into the northeast as we go through tomorrow afternoon. so those winter storm warnings are in effect there as well. as we go through tomorrow morning, the snow will mainly be in places like indianapolis, pittsburgh just to the north side of you could see 8 to 10 inches of snow. and then throughout the day on wednesday into wednesday evening it's going to push into the northeast. we'll see the highest amounts north of boston including albany where places could see a foot of snow or more. coastal cities like boston and new york could see anywhere from 4 to 8 inches of snow. anderson, we're also talking about ice. and we know what that can do. bring down those power lines, weigh down the trees. we're looking at a possibility of about .25 inch of ice anywhere from philly all the way back to d.c. the i-95 corridor by come night

is going to be a mess. >> i understand there's yet another storm after that one? >> yes. they keep coming. we're also looking at another storm as we go through the end of the weekend. this is a look at friday. we get a little bit of a breather on saturday. but then sunday night into monday, look at these snow totals. we could see 1 to 2 feet of snow in western new york, western pennsylvania. we could see some pretty high totals as far as new york city and boston as well. >> jennifer, thanks very much, i guess. let's get caught up on some of the other stories. susan hendricks has a 360 news and business bulletin. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence officials confirm they're tracking specific threats against the sochi olympics and they're working with russian officials. two u.s. warships will be on stand by in the black sea. a federal grand jury is investigating the toxic spill at a west virginia facility that polluted a river supplying water to charleston. 300,000 people were left without water. and independent tests conducted for cnn found traces of the chemical remain in the water but

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a target executive was on capitol hill today apologizing for the security broach that let harks get ahold of tense of millions of customers deb up and credit card numbers in the middle of the busy holiday shopping season. target's ceo told the senate judiciary committee the company is vesting $100 million to

upgrade their system term. that may not happen until early next year. >> i want to say how deeply sorry we are on the impact this has had on our guests your constituents. we are determined to work very hard to earn their trust back. >> the target example is obviously extreme this. time of crime happens all the type. a hacker gets your credit card information, ideally you find out quickly and shut it down. we wanted to know how prevalent is credit card theft, who are the people behind it and what exactly do they do once they've got your information. drew griffin found those answers and more. >> reporter: don't let this baby face fool you. if you want to know who's behind the hacking, stealing and selling of your credit cards, maxim yustremski of the ukraine is a good example. up until the recent target store breach he was the king of the hill. the most prolific credit card trafficker in the world, organizing and operating a worldwide credit theft ring that

hacked into nine major retailers, stealing and then selling the data for more than 40 million credit cards. data that would be sold to other criminals who would then go on buying sprees. they would sell whatever they bought with your stolen credit and turn it into cash. this criminal was one of them. he knew the ins and outs. >> if a person had good credit, you could potentially take $25,000 from a particular credit card. we would buy high-end electronics, something that was highly sought after. so whatever was the most popular item of the day is what our crews were buying. at that point in time we would come back to california and then vend. so we would sell these wares to our buyers. we could either do that via these online marketplaces like e-bay or we had points of contacts in los angeles in which we could then sell them to. >> reporter: and it was relatively easy.

perfect-looking fake credit cards bought online. machines to encode and emboss credit cards bought online. and also available online, freshly stolen credit card information that this cyber criminal was buying straight from a baby-faced ukrainian tech geek. >> you had the material to make the cards. you had the plastic to make the cards. and then you got the data to actually make the physical cards real and active. >> yes. >> reporter: >> just to be clear you didn't do that. >> no. everything was in theory. >> reporter: that's because this guy isn't a real cyber criminal at all. he's an undercover secret service agent who for three years became part of this massive cyber criminal network, befriending masik and even traveling to ukraine, turkey, southeast asia, to immerse himself in one of the

fastest-growing criminal schemes in the world. ed lowery heads the secret services criminal investigate division. >> we never lose track of the fact we are pursuing the most sophisticated criminals out there. >> reporter: how does it work? in relationships that all begin in the anonymous world of the internet, where no one uses real names, where accounts can be hidden and trust is key. masix and the ukraine would hire hacking teams across the united states. these are the cyber criminals who electronically break into stores, retailers, any company with large amounts of credit card information. the hacked accounts are categorized by credit limits, then sold in bulk, online, anywhere from $15 for a classic card up to a couple of hundred for gold and platinum. the undercover agent would pretend then to be a buyer who could use the stolen numbers and literally create credit cards that look and act exactly like the card in your pocket.

and before you'd even realize your credit card numbers had been stolen, crews were out buying up merchandise and selling it on the black market. >> so he had the most recent, the largest credit card data that was available in his so to speak cloud warehouses. >> so we were reading about data breaches in the newspaper, and you were hearing about basically the fruits of those data breaches through your networks? >> oftentimes i knew about the breaches before they were being reported, because it wasn't simultaneous. the databases were available, here i was already involved. these people were my friends online. and they were selling me their new databases as they were getting them straight from the breach. >> how many cards were available? how many credit lines were available? >> millions of credit cards. >> the secret service was buying up stolen credit cards in bulk

on a weekly basis, all in a well-planned ruse to reel in maxik's trust and eventually maxik himself. did he seem like a criminal? >> none of them came off as looking as a mafia figure or as the next big criminal. ordinary individuals. >> when you were touring with this guy, taking tours or hanging out at the beach just like normal? >> if you went out with your friends to go play tennis, it's all you did. we wore towels, beachware, hang out at the beach, riding wave runners, parasailing. spent time together as friends. >> reporter: after a night out in turkey, he brought maxik back to a hotel whereas planned they were both arrested. for more than a year, the agent continued the charade. even as maxik was sentenced to

30 years in prison. >> what do they do with the numbers? >> the secret service were buying them on a weekly basis as i said, thousands and thousands, even millions of them, preve pretending to be part of this criminal empire. what they were doing was calling the banks, telling them what numbers they had. the banks would cancel those numbers. and then you sitting at home would probably get a notice that hey we've got to replace your credit card. not realizing that your credit card number had been on this international circuit of criminals who were passing it around and selling it up and buying it down. it was just incredible. >> it's incredible how organized it is. drew, thanks very much. up next the woman known as the tiger mom has a new book out stirring up controversy about what it takes for kids and adults to achieve success. some people say her theory is a new form of racism. she certainly disagrees. decide for yourself when she joins us next.

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america". i spoke with amy chua and her husband about this backlash. >> skriedescribe the triple pac you write about. we are interested in the underlying traits that generate drive and motivation. what makes some people really want to achieve? >> that motivation drive is not something some people are born with? >> some people are. one way to get at this question, we looked at the groups that are really performing well in the united states today. just today. just a snapshot in terms of conventional measures of income and education. and looked to see what these groups had in common. and the good news is that what propels success isn't anything biological or innate, but we think it comes down to these three qualities that are open to anyone. and so what we're calling the triple package is first, a sense of exceptionality, that somehow you're special. this can come from belonging to a group or it can come from an innate talent. mozart felt he was special. or it can come from a parent

that just instills the sense that you're special. the second quality, and what's interesting is how these two dovetail, is insecurity. so you have the superiority complex and the second quality is this feeling you're not quite good enough, you need to prove yourself. you haven't been respected enough yet. >> which seems at odds with this idea of superiority. >> it does. that's the most interesting thing i think about the thesis and studies that support this. the third component is impulse control. just discipline and the ability to persevere and resist temptation. >> so how can somebody be both have a sense of superiority and yet at the same time a sense of insecurity? >> you know who is a great example of that? steve jobs. he had a legendarily high opinion of his own powers, his own abilities. but his friends always described him as insecure, as having a chip on the shoulder. and somehow he combined both this super high confidence with this feeling of insecurity like

he had to prove himself, had to do more and more his whole life. and i think a lot of successful people combine these two things. >> a lot of our successful groups are immigrant groups. mo mormons and jews are two other groups that feel they don't look up to us enough, we need to prove ourselves. >> the groups doing well in the united states -- >> have these three at the moment. >> you talked about mormons. >> the groups we look at, like in 2012 who was topping these charts, they include mormons, jews, iranian americans, lebanese americans, nigerian americans, cuban americans and chinese americans. and there are many others. >> and indian. >> and interestingly you're saying that as you get away from that immigrant experience, the sort of benefits of it, what you're calling benefits of it are dissipating. >> yes. when you get less insecure, when you don't feel your survival is on the line, you feel less of an

outsider, then predictably you're less motivated. >> and that sense of being an outsider is important. it spurs people onward. >> yeah. and at the end of the day, the book has been controversial i think for the wrong reasons. at the end of the day it comes down to individuals. the book is about individuals. and i think all kind of different individuals from whatever group can have this combination of qualities for different reasons. >> so because that has been one of the criticisms i think review in "time" magazine said it was a new racism. this kind of lumping people together. >> i think anybody who sees the book is going to see that it's the opposite of racism. it would be true if we said these eight groups are permanently good. but ours is the opposite. our title is "the rise and fall of groups." and the groups that are successful today are not the same ones that were successful 20 years ago. they'll probably be different five years from now. it's very cyclical. once a group becomes more successful, the tendency is for you to slack off a little bit. that's human nature. >> it's a fascinating book.

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