cup. >> wow. first i'm seeing of that. i suppose that's what i get for being a dummy on "the ridiculist." hey, that does it for us. thanks for watching see you again one hour from now for "ac 360 later." "piers morgan live" starts right now. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight as america continues to mourn one of its greatest actors i'll talk to the kid from "almost famous" what he remembers about sharing the screen with philip seymour hoffman. >> this is my advice to you. and i know you think these guys are your friends. if you want to be a true friend to them, be honest. and unmerciful. >> patrick fugat is here exclusively. also a hollywood a-lister. shocking charges of sexual abuse and a young girl caught in the middle of a scandal among mia

farrow and wood cri allen. this is the story of roman polanski and samantha diamond. she joins me exclusively tonight. i'll get her take on the allen scandal. our big story, latest on philip seymour hoffman. police say the heroin found in his apartment has tested negative for a powerful additive, fentanyl. here are what two friends say about him. >> you did star in "the ides of march request with philip seymour hoffman. >> it's so hard. we're here doing a premuir two days afterwards in new york. he was a friend. and i had dinner with him a couple of months ago. i have to say he seemed in pretty good shape. i mean, there's no way to explain it. there's no way to understand it. it's just a total horrible horrible tragedy. >> and there's nowhere to really

go from there. is there some -- does something ever come out of it? is there somebody watching who goes, wow, that guy was amazing and he was brilliant. he was a genius. and he was probably smarter than me, and maybe i should just stop doing this or maybe i should try to find help. i don't know. i hope so. i hope something comes of it somehow. but i can't see how that would be. it just feels like a horrible big black hole. >> another person who shared the big screen with the oscar-wing actor is patrick fugate who made his film debut at the age of 16 along side philip seymour hoffman in "almost famous." he remembers hoffman as a role model. patrick, it's good to see you. my condolences on the loss of somebody that you obviously worked with on "almost famous" i know you revered him as an

actor. where were you when you heard the news and what was your reaction? >> i woke up in my -- i live in topanga canyon in california. i woke up. unfortunately i'd heard it on facebook. i got onto my phone and looked up on facebook, and i saw the news reports that people were posting. and that's how i found out. >> you worked with him. you had this piece in the "new york post" today which is incredibly evocative about the actual experience of being a young actor, debut movie, one of the great films. i've watched it many times. this moment where you realize you're really in the presence of a kind of acting genius. tell me about that. >> well, i mean, for me "almost famous" was my first real very extensive acting experience. my first film, my first leading role. and it was my first time around actors of that caliber. philip and billy crudup and jason lee and all those guys. we had two months of rehearsals. i got to meet everybody but

philip. philip shows up on the day and in character which cameron crowe had warned me about. he said philip is probably just going to be lesterish while he's around set. he was but very very kind. in watching him and seeing the amount of preparation and the amount of thought and care that went into what he was doing on set those days was a new level, a new sort of -- >> there was also an intensity to his work. even when he was feeling sick and had the flu he'd still be right on his game, in fact even more intense perhaps. and a kind of intolerance of trying to make you feel good or relaxed or happy. >> oh, yeah. >> he was like get on with this. >> absolutely. i appreciated that, though. everybody was very warm and very welcoming to me because i was very young and inexperienced. they didn't want to pressure me too much. but philip, i mean, came from a real grassroots and very gritty acting background. and i think he is attitude was like, hey, kid, you got lucky. now you got to fill the role.

>> he was clean and sober at the time, having already been treated in rehab for addictions in his early 20s. and you said in the post it was a certain weight that came with it. a certain darkness as part of what made his acting so compelling and so complete that he was almost carrying the scars of i guess what he'd been through. >> absolutely. and there was a darkness there, there's a past there that you don't know about. and i always appreciated that in his acting. it also seems bled into the way that he chose his roles and chose the films that he ended up in. i mean, films like "love liza" that are very dark in their material and tone. butter somehow the most lovable and compelling experiences in watching films for me. >> there was an exchange between you in "almost famous" i want to play in more detail now. this is the scene that director

cameron crowe said about this. "this was a call to arms in phil's hands it became something different, a scene about quiet truths shared between two guys both at the crossroads, both hurting, both -- >> you got a big head start. >> i'm glad you're home. >> i'm always home. i'm uncool. >> me, too. >> you're doing great. the only kurn sunny this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool. my advice to you, and i know you think these guys are your friends. if you want to be a true friend to them, be honest and unmerciful. >> i mean, one of so many extraordinary scenes involving this guy. many people have said in the last day or so, he was possibly the greatest character actor of his generation.

i want to play another clip from the "almost famous" where you directly discuss drugs. >> take drugs? >> no. >> smart kid. i used to do speed. you know, sometimes a little cough syrup? i'd stay up all night, just writing and writing. i mean, like 25 pages. a dribble. about the faces of coltrain, just a [ mute ] write. >> you, i believe, you've managed to avoid the pitfalls of so many people, certainly young people who become movie stars in their teens. how have you managed to do that? why do you think philip in the end was unable to battle those demons successfully? >> i don't know. i mean, it's a hard question to ask me because i've never gone through that. i've never gone through substance abuse or addiction. and the more that people come out and talk about their own

addictions the more we learn about how much of an actual sickness it is. and i think that people no matter how strong willed they are or whatever choices they might make normally are when they're afflicted by that sickness it's very, very hard to differentiate what's controlling what, whether it's the person and their will or the sickness. i think for me it must have been a combination of my upbringing. my parents were very grounded people. and i had a very grounded sort of life up until that point. my parents are very clean and sober people. and i also don't think that i have what it takes to absorb myself in that sort of thing. >> i was having din where a big singing star over the weekend. we were talking about the particular pressure of performing. even if it's not in front of a live audience but as a movie performance or whatever, whether there's huge money riding on it, huge acclaim or huge failure at the end of the process, a lot of particular pressure to performers. do you understand that pressure?

do you think that certain types of addictive personalities succumb perhaps to that particular pressure that comes with performing? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, the pressure goes in several ways once it gets to you. and luckily enough, my personality reacts pretty well under pressure so far. and it sort of helps me rise up to whatever is expected of me. and with some people, particularly artists, particularly very brilliant artists, it's a very vulnerable position you're putting yourself in when you're performing. there's public speaking and then there's sharing your opinion in a forum that's public, and then there's performing. performing is very vulnerable. i think certain people have certain reactions to that. >> there was a scene it wasn't from "almost famous" a scene that you remembered when you heard about philip's death from another movie called "punch drunk love." why that scene? >> well, my friends and i really really loved this movie.

and we had -- since i worked on "almost famous" with philip i started to realize what an incredible like you said character actor he was. >> let's take a look at a clip. >> call 370466. for a limited time only d and d mattress has queen mattress sets for $99 and king set for 129. [ mute ]. >> i mean, in a way a kind of illustration of the way he led his life as well. just constant highs, constant lows. >> yeah. it's based on a real commercial. and it's like a real video. and they redid it. it ended up on the special features. it just goes to show how natural and real he can be to pull something off that's that like organic. it's really very funny. >> how would you like him to be remembered? >> well, the way i remember him

is that strength of professionalism and that strength of character. when he was on set, i got a lot more quiet. he was intimidating and he was a scary guy. and i was young and inexperienced. but he was also just very serious about what he did, and he was very very good at it. >> do you think like many many people who work with philip seymour hoffman that your own acting significantly improved through the process of just being in the same room as him? >> yeah, absolutely. i did an interview yesterday where i talk a lot about how those scenes that we shot with philip were so influential on the way that i conducted myself for the rest of the film. i took it seriously. but after that it was just a different game. it was a different level. and it meant quite a lot more to me at that point. >> i went to market here in l.a., in beverly hills over the weekend. couldn't believe the volume of people coming up to me who had just heard the news, wanting to know was it true.

and really distressed at the news. hugely popular man. may not have realized how popular. slightly under the radar of conventional superstar. but when you look at the body of work right up there with the all-time greats. >> will he rode under the radar for quite a long time. recently in the last five, six, seven years he's really blown up and come into his own. >> it's a bloody waste, isn't it? >> it is. >> it's a horrible, sad, horrible waste. and i can only think of what his family are going through as well. patrick, thanks so much for coming in. i loved "almost famous" it's great to meet you and talk about this great man. you just wrapped another movie. when is that out? >> apparently later this year. fall. >> tomorrow night, broadway will dim the lights in honor of three-time tony nominee philip seymour hoffman. thank you very much indeed. next the story that rocked hollywood, a celebrity, young

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of woody allen and dylan pharoah, graphic charges he sexually abused her when she was 7 years old made headlines around the world. joining me a woman who knows too well to be the center of this kind of scandal. samantha geimer was 13 when roman polanski raped her. she tells the story in the girl in the life in the shadow of roman polanski. thanks very much for being here. it must bring back a lot of vivid memories for you when you see another story that is of a similar nature. celebrity meets illicit sex, meets scandal and lots of headlines. >> it really has been an odd sense of deja vu, seeing this play out again, something like this in such a public way. and with the similarities of hollywood connection and people's rather strong opinions. it takes me back to when it happened to me. >> do you feel that the public opinion towards scandals like this is slightly warped by the celebrity element?

in other words, different to how it would be if there was no celebrity involved? >> i think there's a lot more opinion if there's a celebrity. not necessarily one way or the other, just a lot more emotion, more opinion all the way around. >> what do you make of the woody allen scandal? what's your personal opinion? >> i just think it's -- i feel like it's sad to see this family go through this. i feel sad for dylan that she seems to still be so troubled by it. sad that it will never be anything but accusations and denials and there won't be resolution. it's just left in this limbo. it's just really unfortunate. >> there was an interview today with woody allen's attorney, elkin bramowitz. he was on "erin burnett outfront." he had this to say. >> the yale new haven experts, the sex abuse clinic that the authorities sent the case to investigated the matter totally for six months and determined

that me ia farrow coached dylan and dylan was having difficulty distinguishing fantasy and reality. they also concluded it did not happen, that the molestation did not happen. >> now, it's not as clean cut as that. mia farrow if she was here i'm sure would take issue with some of what was said there. but at the end of the day you have got i think a 7-year-old girl at the time, now an adult obviously, who still is deeply traumatized by what happened, whatever that may be. what i feel uneasy about, maybe you had this perspective too with what happened to you and your family, is the way that many people are trashing mia farrow, dylan pharoah, brennan narrow, going after them in a pretty unpleasant way. i find that very distasteful. >> i do, too. woody's attorney, he's doing his job. so he's a person who has a right to go out there and do his job and speak what he believes to be the truth.

but the way they go after mia and dylan, i remember that. and it's really unfair. and it's uncalled for. i mean, who has a right to have an opinion but someone who's actually involved? and it's a painful thing to have people say horrible things about your mother or about yourself. >> you had this, because your mother was blamed for basically helping to facilitate what happened between you and roman polanski. your own view of polansky over the years appears to have softened slightly in the sense that you -- i don't know, is it too far to say you've forgiven him or your just less angry about it? >> i have forgiven him. i forgave him shortly after it happened. what they said about my mom was a lot worse than what they're saying about mia. and i was facing so much public scrutiny and so much activity with the courts and the questioning that quickly roman fell into my memory and i was

surviving day-to-day. so i'm a different person, i guess, than dylan. i forgave him. i moved on. i do not have hard feelings. i hope that he's well. and if he gets awards for his movies, that's fine with me. i have no real interest in people's opinions about it. i know the truth. people still don't believe me. that's fine with me. because for me, i know it happened to me. and i don't base my recovery on other people's opinions. and i think that is good advice for anyone who's been assaulted. don't wait for everyone to believe you to start recovering. >> what do you feel about the fact that roman polanski fled the country and has never actually had to face justice for what happened to him he wasn't facing justice. we were all caught up in a rather egregious miscarriage of justice because of the judge. we were happy when he left because because it was over. we understood why he left because he didn't know what he was facial. when you're a courtroom that's orchestrated by some kind of

broadway show by the judge who breaks promise after promise, i can't blame him for not feeling confident that if he stayed he would be treated fairly. >> in a strange twist in the original probation officer's report, mia farrow wrote a letter on behalf of roman polanski. she starred of course in his '68 movie" rosemary's baby." she said he was a loyal friend important to me, a distinguished director, important in the motion picture industry, and a brave and brilliant man, important to all people. >> do you see irony in that? >> i do. they were standing up for what they cared about. i understood that at 14r, i understand that now. for her to say hollywood foreign press is doing a disservice to all victims of assault? if you're not mia farrow's daughter, she writes that about the person who assaulted you. so it's pretty ironic i think

maybe everybody should pull back and not make this such a public thing. there's no resolution to it. let's stop calling everyone names for working with him or for having an opinion about it. the rhetoric is way too toned up. >> did you feel and your family feel that because of the huge celebrity status of roman polanski, rather like i think the farrows feel about woody allen and the reference he has in hollywood that it's difficult to get a fair shake for your allegations, that you're just not treated in the same way? >> i had the opposite experience. the minute they found evidence he was arrested. it was trying to stop them from prosecuting him in order to save me. so i think it can go either way. perhaps in their case they weren't believed because he was famous. in my case, judge lettenband and some other people involved went after him because roman was so famous. so it swings both ways, but it makes a difference i'm sure if it's a celebrity rather than just a regular citizen.

>> in 2008, polanski wrote you a letter apologizing for what he had done. what was your reaction when you read it? >> i was surprised and happy he sent it. it wasn't very meaningfulful for me because i knew he was sorry. i knew he felt bad about it and i just assumed that. but it was very meaningful for my mother. and it made a big difference to her, to my husband, to my sons. so that apology went a long way with my family. and for that i'm really grateful. because i'm always trying to let them know i'm okay. things are upsetting for your family i think in a way they aren't when it happens to you. >> what would your advice be to the farrows about how to navigate through all this? because this has been going on now for a long time. it's reared up in a very ugly way again now. they may never get any kind of real resolution to this. what advice would you give them? >> my advice would first be, this is a really serious matter.

and bringing it up on twitter is probably not the best idea. for dylan, recover, write your letter, people should take her seriously. they should listen to her. they should understand that she's hurt and that it hurts her when he gets awards. i mean, i think she should have her say. people should respect it. and i hope that she can recover knowing that there will always be people that doubt her story because no charges were brought. so she's going to have to live with some people won't believe her and she just needs to accept that and try and recover, anyway. i think that's the best advice i can give anybody. like recover. don't let anybody or anything stop you from recovering. >> yeah. i just think the trashing of dylan and mia farrow by certain parties is completely inappropriate. regardless of where the truth lies in all this. that to me stings and is inappropriate. sarah giereimer, it's a fascinag

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janet mock has a remarkable life story. she was born a boy and at the age of 18 she took the extraordinary step to become the woman that she is taw. revealing a secret to the world

in a pro fire in marie claire magazine. ways telling her story in a new memoir "redefining realness" my path to womanhood, identity and so much more. how are you, janet? >> very good. >> this is the amazing thing about you. had i not known anything about your story, i would have had absolutely not a clue that you had ever been a boy, a male. which makes me absolutely believe you should always have been a woman. and that must have been what you felt when you were young. take me back to when you first thought this is not right. i'm not charles, which was the name you were given when you were born in hawaii, i'm a woman, i'm a girl. >> i think for me it was just -- i always knew that i was me. i didn't know thought was about gender or that it was about anything other than just the inclinations that i just kind of naturally had, the things that i was drawn to. my mother loves to say that i

was a very vocal and adamant child. she remembers that when i was three years old, i landed in the emergency room for putting one of her earring backings into my ear and it went down. i don't really remember the memory but i do remember the vanilla ice cream that i got to have afterward. >> did you ever feel like i can't deal with this, i'm going to have to go back to being a boy charles? at what point did you change your name? >> i think for me it was a series of little bitty steps which i do detail in the book. but for me there was never any turning back. it was always moving forward. >> when you began wearing the girl's clothes in school was that when you began callinging yourself janet? was it after the operation? >> it was before. that was named for janet jackson. >> you look very like her. >> i was very much obsessed with the velvet rope in high school. ways very emotional at that time.

that album just spoke to me. it was something that i think spoke to a lot of people who felt different. janet was fierce on that cover. she was fierce, she talked about her sexual orientation and her sexual fluidity and domestic vi violence and all these dark things in the album. >> a bit of janet and beyonce'. >> i live for beyonce'. >> and the dress. very much like the dress she wore when i interviewed her. >> i live for beyonce' so that's a very great compliment. >> it takes a lot of courage. going through school, gone from charles to janet, from boy's clothes to girl's clothes. and you've coped with all the te tuesd teasing and bullying. made you strong enough to say i'm going to go through this properly and become a woman, a transgender operation, which is a huge thing to do at 18. tell me how you felt when you actually were approaching the operation. >> well, that was a big step in a long journey.

it took 18 years to come to that journey. it may seem very young to a lot of people. for me those matters were very urgent and also a very long process. so for me it was a step for me to move closer to me. it was reconciliation with myself. it was kind of the stamp of personal approval of my own womanhood. >> what was the moment after you had it when you looked in the mirror and were finally able to think, wow, that is who i'm supposed to be? >> it felt validating and affirming. >> was there a moment was it immediately afterwards? was it a month, a year? >> i think it actually came before it. i think the road coming up to that was actually a bigger journey for me. >> as you approached womanhood. >> at 18 i could make the decision to do it on my own without having to consult anyone. >> it takes such guts, janet. that's the thing that strikes me about your book and having made it, you're incredibly gutsy but very determined. there must have been so many people, i guess, i'm surmising here, trying to persuade you

this is not a good idea, that you should stick to knito natur plan. you've heard all the cliches. >> i don't marvel at it so much. for me there was no choice but to be myself. i was a young transgirl growing up in hawaii. parents super loving, super accepting of me. for me i had no other choice. i needed to be myself. i knew that by choosing to live my life for me and cut out all the noise from other people it would enable me to live a life that was full and affirming and happy. >> you come to new york about eight years ago. you got a scholarship to college, moved to new york. you want to earn a master's degree. when you first got to new york city, what was that for you after all you'd been through to get to this thriving hub of all types of people? >> i think new york was the third part of my dream. i had three dreams, which was number one was to become a writer, to live my life as myself, and three, was to move

to new york city. it's where i was able to find myself, find my voice as a writer and also develop my mission which is to speak out and speak up alongside many girl that is grew up like myself. >> in 2009, you meet a man and you fall in love with this man. there's something you have to tell him. something pretty big you have to tell him that he doesn't know. which is that you used to be yourself a man. after the break we'll find out how you told him that news and how he took it.

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back now janet mock author of "redefining realness." so you meet this guy. what are your thoughts? this is a big moment for you. >> for me, i was just in love with another person. and i think that he was also falling in love with me. i had much history. i had been dating since i was 16 years old. i've exclusively dated men. and i told many men throughout my journey. a lot of that is covered in my book. >> just rewind there. when you had told these men the news, did some them run a mile? did others surprise you by being very supportive? how did men react? >> they were all very mixed. i think disclosure is frie frightening for me. we're all looking for someone to love us fully who we are, not despite of ourselves but because of ourselves. i was incredibly lucky that i

found someone that wanted to just love me. and also he's lucky to also be with me. that's something that must be also stated. >> of course. listen, he's the lucky one here. let's be under no illusion. but there you are. this guy's called aaron, designing photographer, designed the cover of your book. beautiful cover. very talented guy obviously. you know you've got strong feelings for him and he has for you. you have to tell him this news. it must be a big moment because you really care for him. >> it was major. >> how did he react? >> it was a pivotal moment. for me i was the emotional one. aaron was -- he's a very steady, stable, even-tempered, loving man. and so he asked to give me a hug. that's something that is talked about in the book. i don't want to give away too much. but we are still together and i'm very happy with our dog cleo. >> would you like to get married? >> yeah, i would. one day, yes. >> that suggests to me that maybe there's something going on

i don't know about. >> nothing at all. >> has he popped the question yet? >> not yet, no. but i would say yes. >> when you did all this wrote the mary claire piece and the book not so many people have come out and been so brave and frank and honest about being transgender. you can see laverne cox and others appearing now in a more mainstream way and i guess helping the american people and other countries come to terms with this as being perfectly normal thing. for you it's been a real struggle that you talk about very honestly in the book. to others watching here who might be like a young charles and still feel they can't go through with this, feel desperate they want to be a woman, what's the best advice you would give them? >> i think the hardest battle that any of us can fight as e.e. cummings says is a battle of being ourself in a world that tells us that we are wrong, that we should be silent and we

shouldn't be ourselves. and i think that there's nothing i can tell a young person besides tap into yourself, know your truth, and surround yourself with people who affirm you and love you for exactly who you are. sometimes the people you need to shut out are often the ones that love you. because oftentimes their expectations of you can be a lot of pressure and burden. >> seeing issues like gay marriage in particular, moving very fast in america, faster than many people imagined was possible, what does that tell you about modern america and its ability perhaps to becomes much more accepting and tolerant than they may have been even 20 years ago? >> i think that movement has been going on for a very long time. i think it's a product of much hard work and movement and organizing. it's been going on since the 1960s. and transpeople were also very much a part of that movement. i think of silva rivera, marcia p. johnson, miss major griffin gracie. these transwomen were also on the streets fighting for their lives that night. so for me, i think that america

is about self-determination. and exceptionalism and exerting who your identity is in a world that hopefully becomes more and more safe to express yourself and be very open about who you are. >> i can't think of anyone better to be out there promoting all this than you, janet mock, it's been a delight to meet you. the book is called "redefining realness, my path to woman and identity, love and so much more." if i'm aaron, i would be getting down to the jewelerers a word of advice, mate. >> thank you so much. >> good to see you. there's a massive storm barrelling right now across the country tonight that could affect 120 million people. what's causing all the extreme weather? we have a hot debate on that next. a small business credit card with amazing rewards. with the spark cash card from capital one, i get 2% cash back on every purchase, every day. i break my back around here. finally someone's recognizing me with unlimited rewards!

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punishing winter storm is threatening a huge stretch of the country tonight. two people reported dead in kansas. over 3,000 flights are canceled. in new jersey governor chris christie has declared a state of emergency. no better time for a hot button debate about what's causing all this extreme weather.

joining me now to go head-to-head, bill nye, science educator and ken hand president and founder of answers in genesis u.s. and the croatian museum. welcome to you. very high profile and much talked about debate on creationism versus evolutionism. so ken hand, let me start with you. who is responsible for this massive snowstorm raging across america? god or science? >> actually, the bible tells us the whole of creation is running down because of man's pull. and so we do have extremes in weather patterns today. but there's been climate change ever since the flood of noah's day, we would say, massive climate change. so it all depend on the weather patterns. it's what we see today, the way things interact. creationists have no different explanations, they talk about

highs and lows and observe what's happening. it's no different than what an evolutionist would talk about. >> bill nye, you've been looking there at ken as you have all evening in the debate or some of it. a look of vague bafflement on your face. how did you feel the debate tonight? did you learn anything which was even remotely persuasive to you, that maybe you're barking up the wrong tree about this whole global warming business? >> no. and let me say just inherent in mr. hand's answer first of all it was a very respectful evening. i thought we both gave it our best. >> it was. >> i appreciate the opportunity. but just notice that inherent in his response that the world is winding down since the great flood. and that somehow the climate change, what i heard, what i infer from your remarks, is that this is sort of a punishment for humankind. and i'm very skeptical of all three of those things, very skeptical of the ancient flood, very skeptical the world is

winding down except its spin is slowing because of the pull of the moon and the tides. and i'm skeptical that but with that said, there's more heat energy in the atmosphere than there has been in a long time and the rate which the heat energy is being added is what's causing all kinds of trouble or all kinds of potential trouble around the world. you cannot tie any one event to climate change. but interestingly enough, there is new statistical evidence that extreme heat events can be tied to climate change. so when more heat energy is in the atmosphere, you expect more storms. >> if i can say -- >> ken, let me ask you this. this is what concerns me about this whole debate. regardless of which side you're on, the number of americans who believe global warming isn't happening has risen 23%, up 7

sevens since april 2013. how is it a good idea that americans are being persuaded it doesn't exist if there's even a 1% chance that it does exist? and given that 80% of scientists all think it does, obviously the chances are much higher. but even if you believe your version that it's all a load of fooey, is it helpful to anybody that we take a risk and do nothing >> by the way, i just want to say to bill too, some of the catastrophic things that happen and terrible things that happen in the world, even death is because of the fall, not because of the flood. but you know, first of all, the debate tonight was not about global warming or climate change. the debate tonight was about creation/evolution, about science. >> i know, i just asked you a question about global warming. >> yeah, well, in actual fact, one of the emphasis i brought tonight is we need to talk about

talking about the fact and observational science and the present. if we're going to talk about climate change, we need to talk about that. we've got records of temperatures and we can understand when things have been warming, which they were in the past, now they're cooling again. we've got records going back to show those things happen and those things do happen in this world. when it comes to interpreting exactly why, some scientists think the activity of the sun has a lot to do with the climate on the earth. >> right, but look, look, ken, ken, ken, ken, here's the point. 80% of climate scientists believe global warming is a real and present thing. so you're in the massive minority, yet you're a minor vocality. >> i'm didn't tell you what i believe about global warming. >> what do you believe then? >> i didn't tell you what i

believe. i didn't say i believe in global warming. >> but your rhetoric -- i was under the assumption you didn't believe in global warming as an entity. >> well, no. i've never said that. >> you mentioned it on a radio broadcast. there's a link to it. >> one of the things that we say is the fact that climates do change and when you do the investigation into what's happening and why that's happening. there's a difference between what you observe and interpreting the reasons. a lot more research needs to be done in this area. >> do you believe, ken, do you believe, as i'm led to believe that you believe, that dinosaurs and man co-existed? >> actually, based on the bible, i believe on the land animals or made on day six. people try to make fun of us that dinosaurs lived with

people. but according to revolution, animals lived with dinosaurs, but they live with people -- >> we find fossil bones of dinosaurs going back 17 million years. are you suggesting then that man existed 17 million years ago? >> no, i'm not saying 17 million years and you don't find dinosaur bones with labels on them. where did you get the 17 million years? prove that to me. >> okay. bill, let's turn back to you. bill, let's turn back to you. >> the trouble that -- >> go on, respond. >> well, the trouble is that the climate deniers, just to get back to that question, are introducing this idea that scientific uncertainty, especially about any one weather event like we're having here in kentucky, is seen as scientific doubt about the whole thing. that's a tactic being used for a

long time, as in the cigarette industry. my concern, the reason i accepted this debate tonight, is we will raise a generation of science students who don't embrace the process of science, that we get confused that scientific uncertainty is the same as scientific doubt. i was born in the u.s., i'm a u.s. citizen. i want the u.s. to succeed and i do not want the u.s. to raise a generation of science students who don't appreciate the process of science. when it comes to humans living with dinosaurs, that's an extraordinary claim for which to me there's no proof at all, none. i challenged you, ken, on this great flood that happened only 4,000 years ago, and in my opinion, ken, with all due respect as we like to say, you never got around to saying why

there's these extraordinary ice layers, extraordinarily old trees, and why radioactive -- radio metric dating would not be true or accurate. how can there be light from stars more than 6,000 light years away? >> we covered some of these things in the debate, as you know. even looking at tree rings, you have to make assumptions was it one or two a year. there's assumptions in how they match those rings together. >> gentlemen, gentlemen -- >> you're introducing doubt -- >> you've been at all all night. please come back again and we'll continue it. thank you very much. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest.

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