continue to follow the latest on phillip seymour hoffman's death. we have incredible access inside one of the most elite and expensive drug treatment centers in the united states. how do the rich and incredibly famous get this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight as america continues to mourn one of its greatest actors i'll talk to the kid from "almost famous" what he remembers about sharing the screen with philip seymour hoffman. >> this is my advice to you. and i know you think these guys are your friends. if you want to be a true friend to them, be honest. and unmerciful. >> patrick fugat is here exclusively. also a hollywood a-lister. shocking charges of sexual abuse and a young girl caught in the middle of a scandal among mia farrow and wood cri allen. this is the story of roman polanski and samantha diamond.

she joins me exclusively tonight. i'll get her take on the allen scandal. our big story, latest on philip seymour hoffman. police say the heroin found in his apartment has tested negative for a powerful additive, fentanyl. here are what two friends say about him. >> you did star in "the ides of march request with philip seymour hoffman. >> it's so hard. we're here doing a premuir two days afterwards in new york. he was a friend. and i had dinner with him a couple of months ago. i have to say he seemed in pretty good shape. i mean, there's no way to explain it. there's no way to understand it. it's just a total horrible horrible tragedy. >> and there's nowhere to really go from there.

is there some -- does something ever come out of it? is there somebody watching who goes, wow, that guy was amazing and he was brilliant. he was a genius. and he was probably smarter than me, and maybe i should just stop doing this or maybe i should try to find help. i don't know. i hope so. i hope something comes of it somehow. but i can't see how that would be. it just feels like a horrible big black hole. >> another person who shared the big screen with the oscar-wing actor is patrick fugate who made his film debut at the age of 16 along side philip seymour hoffman in "almost famous." he remembers hoffman as a role model. patrick, it's good to see you. my condolences on the loss of somebody that you obviously worked with on "almost famous" i know you revered him as an actor. where were you when you heard

the news and what was your reaction? >> i woke up in my -- i live in topanga canyon in california. i woke up. unfortunately i'd heard it on facebook. i got onto my phone and looked up on facebook, and i saw the news reports that people were posting. and that's how i found out. >> you worked with him. you had this piece in the "new york post" today which is incredibly evocative about the actual experience of being a young actor, debut movie, one of the great films. i've watched it many times. this moment where you realize you're really in the presence of a kind of acting genius. tell me about that. >> well, i mean, for me "almost famous" was my first real very extensive acting experience. my first film, my first leading role. and it was my first time around actors of that caliber. philip and billy crudup and jason lee and all those guys. we had two months of rehearsals. i got to meet everybody but philip. philip shows up on the day and in character which cameron crowe

had warned me about. he said philip is probably just going to be lesterish while he's around set. he was but very very kind. in watching him and seeing the amount of preparation and the amount of thought and care that went into what he was doing on set those days was a new level, a new sort of -- >> there was also an intensity to his work. even when he was feeling sick and had the flu he'd still be right on his game, in fact even more intense perhaps. and a kind of intolerance of trying to make you feel good or relaxed or happy. >> oh, yeah. >> he was like get on with this. >> absolutely. i appreciated that, though. everybody was very warm and very welcoming to me because i was very young and inexperienced. they didn't want to pressure me too much. but philip, i mean, came from a real grassroots and very gritty acting background. and i think he is attitude was like, hey, kid, you got lucky. now you got to fill the role. >> he was clean and sober at the time, having already been

treated in rehab for addictions in his early 20s. and you said in the post it was a certain weight that came with it. a certain darkness as part of what made his acting so compelling and so complete that he was almost carrying the scars of i guess what he'd been through. >> absolutely. and there was a darkness there, there's a past there that you don't know about. and i always appreciated that in his acting. it also seems bled into the way that he chose his roles and chose the films that he ended up in. i mean, films like "love liza" that are very dark in their material and tone. but are somehow the most lovable and compelling experiences in watching films for me. >> there was an exchange between you in "almost famous" i want to play in more detail now. this is the scene that director cameron crowe said about this. "this was a call to arms in phil's hands it became something

different, a scene about quiet truths shared between two guys both at the crossroads, both hurting, both -- >> you got a big head start. >> i'm glad you're home. >> i'm always home. i'm uncool. >> me, too. >> you're doing great. the only currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool. my advice to you, and i know you think these guys are your friends. if you want to be a true friend to them, be honest and unmerciful. >> i mean, one of so many extraordinary scenes involving this guy. many people have said in the last day or so, he was possibly the greatest character actor of his generation. i want to play another clip from

the "almost famous" where you directly discuss drugs. >> take drugs? >> no. >> smart kid. i used to do speed. you know, sometimes a little cough syrup? i'd stay up all night, just writing and writing. i mean, like 25 pages. a dribble. about the faces of coltrain, just a [ mute ] write. >> you, i believe, you've managed to avoid the pitfalls of so many people, certainly young people who become movie stars in their teens. how have you managed to do that? why do you think philip in the end was unable to battle those demons successfully? >> i don't know. i mean, it's a hard question to ask me because i've never gone through that. i've never gone through substance abuse or addiction. and the more that people come out and talk about their own addictions the more we learn

about how much of an actual sickness it is. and i think that people no matter how strong willed they are or whatever choices they might make normally are when they're afflicted by that sickness it's very, very hard to differentiate what's controlling what, whether it's the person and their will or the sickness. i think for me it must have been a combination of my upbringing. my parents were very grounded people. and i had a very grounded sort of life up until that point. my parents are very clean and sober people. and i also don't think that i have what it takes to absorb myself in that sort of thing. >> i was having din where a big singing star over the weekend. we were talking about the particular pressure of performing. even if it's not in front of a live audience but as a movie performance or whatever, whether there's huge money riding on it, huge acclaim or huge failure at the end of the process, a lot of particular pressure to performers. do you understand that pressure? do you think that certain types

of addictive personalities succumb perhaps to that particular pressure that comes with performing? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, the pressure goes in several ways once it gets to you. and luckily enough, my personality reacts pretty well under pressure so far. and it sort of helps me rise up to whatever is expected of me. and with some people, particularly artists, particularly very brilliant artists, it's a very vulnerable position you're putting yourself in when you're performing. there's public speaking and then there's sharing your opinion in a forum that's public, and then there's performing. performing is very vulnerable. i think certain people have certain reactions to that. >> there was a scene it wasn't from "almost famous" a scene that you remembered when you heard about philip's death from another movie called "punch drunk love." why that scene? >> well, my friends and i really really loved this movie. and we had -- since i worked on "almost famous" with philip i

started to realize what an incredible like you said character actor he was. >> let's take a look at a clip. >> call 370466. for a limited time only d and d mattress has queen mattress sets for $99 and king set for 129. [ mute ] >> i mean, in a way a kind of illustration of the way he led his life as well. just constant highs, constant lows. >> yeah. it's based on a real commercial. and it's like a real video. and they redid it. it ended up on the special features. it just goes to show how natural and real he can be to pull something off that's that like organic. it's really very funny. >> how would you like him to be remembered? >> well, the way i remember him

is that strength of professionalism and that strength of character. when he was on set, i got a lot more quiet. he was intimidating and he was a scary guy. and i was young and inexperienced. but he was also just very serious about what he did, and he was very very good at it. >> do you think like many many people who work with philip seymour hoffman that your own acting significantly improved through the process of just being in the same room as him? >> yeah, absolutely. i did an interview yesterday where i talk a lot about how those scenes that we shot with philip were so influential on the way that i conducted myself for the rest of the film. i took it seriously. but after that it was just a different game. it was a different level. and it meant quite a lot more to me at that point. >> i went to market here in l.a., in beverly hills over the weekend. couldn't believe the volume of people coming up to me who had just heard the news, wanting to know was it true. and really distressed at the news.

hugely popular man. may not have realized how popular. slightly under the radar of conventional superstar. but when you look at the body of work right up there with the all-time greats. >> will he rode under the radar for quite a long time. recently in the last five, six, seven years he's really blown up and come into his own. >> it's a bloody waste, isn't it? >> it is. >> it's a horrible, sad, horrible waste. and i can only think of what his family are going through as well. patrick, thanks so much for coming in. i loved "almost famous" it's great to meet you and talk about this great man. you just wrapped another movie. when is that out? >> apparently later this year. fall. >> tomorrow night, broadway will dim the lights in honor of three-time tony nominee philip seymour hoffman. thank you very much indeed. next the story that rocked hollywood, a celebrity, young girl and shocking sex charges. this its not dylan pharoah

versus woody allen. we'll talk to the woman at the center of the roman polanski scandal and get her take on woody allen.

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kind of scandal. samantha geimer was 13 when roman polanski raped her. she tells the story in the girl in the life in the shadow of roman polanski. thanks very much for being here. it must bring back a lot of vivid memories for you when you see another story that is of a similar nature. celebrity meets illicit sex, meets scandal and lots of headlines. >> it really has been an odd sense of deja vu, seeing this play out again, something like this in such a public way. and with the similarities of hollywood connection and people's rather strong opinions. it takes me back to when it happened to me. >> do you feel that the public opinion towards scandals like this is slightly warped by the celebrity element? in other words, different to how it would be if there was no celebrity involved? >> i think there's a lot more opinion if there's a celebrity. not necessarily one way or the other, just a lot more emotion, more opinion all the way around.

>> what do you make of the woody allen scandal? what's your personal opinion? >> i just think it's -- i feel like it's sad to see this family go through this. i feel sad for dylan that she seems to still be so troubled by it. sad that it will never be anything but accusations and denials and there won't be resolution. it's just left in this limbo. it's just really unfortunate. >> there was an interview today with woody allen's attorney, elkin bramowitz. he was on "erin burnett outfront." he had this to say. >> the yale new haven experts, the sex abuse clinic that the authorities sent the case to investigated the matter totally for six months and determined that mia farrow coached dylan and dylan was having difficulty distinguishing fantasy and reality. they also concluded it did not happen, that the molestation did

not happen. >> now, it's not as clean cut as that. mia farrow if she was here i'm sure would take issue with some of what was said there. but at the end of the day you have got i think a 7-year-old girl at the time, now an adult obviously, who still is deeply traumatized by what happened, whatever that may be. what i feel uneasy about, maybe you had this perspective too with what happened to you and your family, is the way that many people are trashing mia farrow, dylan farrow, brennan narrow, going after them in a pretty unpleasant way. i find that very distasteful. >> i do, too. woody's attorney, he's doing his job. so he's a person who has a right to go out there and do his job and speak what he believes to be the truth. but the way they go after mia and dylan, i remember that. and it's really unfair. and it's uncalled for. i mean, who has a right to have

an opinion but someone who's actually involved? and it's a painful thing to have people say horrible things about your mother or about yourself. >> you had this, because your mother was blamed for basically helping to facilitate what happened between you and roman polanski. your own view of polansky over the years appears to have softened slightly in the sense that you -- i don't know, is it too far to say you've forgiven him or your just less angry about it? >> i have forgiven him. i forgave him shortly after it happened. what they said about my mom was a lot worse than what they're saying about mia. and i was facing so much public scrutiny and so much activity with the courts and the questioning that quickly roman fell into my memory and i was surviving day-to-day. so i'm a different person, i guess, than dylan. i forgave him. i moved on. i do not have hard feelings. i hope that he's well.

and if he gets awards for his movies, that's fine with me. i have no real interest in people's opinions about it. i know the truth. people still don't believe me. that's fine with me. because for me, i know it happened to me. and i don't base my recovery on other people's opinions. and i think that is good advice for anyone who's been assaulted. don't wait for everyone to believe you to start recovering. >> what do you feel about the fact that roman polanski fled the country and has never actually had to face justice for what happened to him he wasn't facing justice. we were all caught up in a rather egregious miscarriage of justice because of the judge. we were happy when he left because because it was over. we understood why he left because he didn't know what he was facial. when you're a courtroom that's orchestrated by some kind of broadway show by the judge who breaks promise after promise, i can't blame him for not feeling confident that if he stayed he would be treated fairly. >> in a strange twist in the original probation officer's

report, mia farrow wrote a letter on behalf of roman polanski. she starred of course in his '68 movie" rosemary's baby." she said he was a loyal friend important to me, a distinguished director, important in the motion picture industry, and a brave and brilliant man, important to all people. >> do you see irony in that? >> i do. they were standing up for what they cared about. i understood that at 14, i understand that now. for her to say hollywood foreign press is doing a disservice to all victims of assault? if you're not mia farrow's daughter, she writes that about the person who assaulted you. so it's pretty ironic i think maybe everybody should pull back and not make this such a public thing. there's no resolution to it. let's stop calling everyone names for working with him or for having an opinion about it. the rhetoric is way too toned

up. >> did you feel and your family feel that because of the huge celebrity status of roman polanski, rather like i think the farrows feel about woody allen and the reference he has in hollywood that it's difficult to get a fair shake for your allegations, that you're just not treated in the same way? >> i had the opposite experience. the minute they found evidence he was arrested. it was trying to stop them from prosecuting him in order to save me. so i think it can go either way. perhaps in their case they weren't believed because he was famous. in my case, judge lettenband and some other people involved went after him because roman was so famous. so it swings both ways, but it makes a difference i'm sure if it's a celebrity rather than just a regular citizen. >> in 2008, polanski wrote you a letter apologizing for what he had done. what was your reaction when you read it? >> i was surprised and happy he

sent it. it wasn't very meaningfulful for me because i knew he was sorry. i knew he felt bad about it and i just assumed that. but it was very meaningful for my mother. and it made a big difference to her, to my husband, to my sons. so that apology went a long way with my family. and for that i'm really grateful. because i'm always trying to let them know i'm okay. things are upsetting for your family i think in a way they aren't when it happens to you. >> what would your advice be to the farrows about how to navigate through all this? because this has been going on now for a long time. it's reared up in a very ugly way again now. they may never get any kind of real resolution to this. what advice would you give them? >> my advice would first be, this is a really serious matter. and bringing it up on twitter is probably not the best idea. for dylan, recover, write your letter, people should take her seriously. they should listen to her.

they should understand that she's hurt and that it hurts her when he gets awards. i mean, i think she should have her say. people should respect it. and i hope that she can recover knowing that there will always be people that doubt her story because no charges were brought. so she's going to have to live with some people won't believe her and she just needs to accept that and try and recover, anyway. i think that's the best advice i can give anybody. like recover. don't let anybody or anything stop you from recovering. >> yeah. i just think the trashing of dylan and mia farrow by certain parties is completely inappropriate. regardless of where the truth lies in all this. that to me stings and is inappropriate. sarah geimer, it's a fascinating book, terrific read. i an appreciate you coming of. >> thank you. coming up the amazing story of a beautiful, articulate and intelligent woman who was born a boy and remained that way until the age of 18. janet mock joins me now.

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janet mock has a remarkable life story. she was born a boy and at the age of 18 she took the extraordinary step to become the woman that she is taw. revealing a secret to the world in a pro fire in marie claire magazine. ways telling her story in a new memoir "redefining realness" my path to womanhood, identity and so much more. how are you, janet? >> very good.

>> this is the amazing thing about you. had i not known anything about your story, i would have had absolutely not a clue that you had ever been a boy, a male. which makes me absolutely believe you should always have been a woman. and that must have been what you felt when you were young. take me back to when you first thought this is not right. i'm not charles, which was the name you were given when you were born in hawaii, i'm a woman, i'm a girl. >> i think for me it was just -- i always knew that i was me. i didn't know thought was about gender or that it was about anything other than just the inclinations that i just kind of naturally had, the things that i was drawn to. my mother loves to say that i was a very vocal and adamant child. she remembers that when i was three years old, i landed in the emergency room for putting one of her earring backings into my ear and it went down. i don't really remember the memory but i do remember the vanilla ice cream that i got to

have afterward. >> did you ever feel like i can't deal with this, i'm going to have to go back to being a boy charles? at what point did you change your name? >> i think for me it was a series of little bitty steps which i do detail in the book. but for me there was never any turning back. it was always moving forward. >> when you began wearing the girl's clothes in school was that when you began calling yourself janet? was it after the operation? >> it was before. that was named for janet jackson. >> you look very like her. >> i was very much obsessed with the velvet rope in high school. ways very emotional at that time. that album just spoke to me. it was something that i think spoke to a lot of people who felt different. janet was fierce on that cover. she was fierce, she talked about her sexual orientation and her sexual fluidity and domestic violence and all these dark things in the album.

>> a bit of janet and beyonce'. >> i live for beyonce'. >> and the dress. very much like the dress she wore when i interviewed her. >> i live for beyonce' so that's a very great compliment. >> it takes a lot of courage. going through school, gone from charles to janet, from boy's clothes to girl's clothes. and you've coped with all the teasing and bullying. made you strong enough to say i'm going to go through this properly and become a woman, a transgender operation, which is a huge thing to do at 18. tell me how you felt when you actually were approaching the operation. >> well, that was a big step in a long journey. it took 18 years to come to that journey. it may seem very young to a lot of people. for me those matters were very urgent and also a very long process. so for me it was a step for me to move closer to me. it was reconciliation with myself.

it was kind of the stamp of personal approval of my own womanhood. >> what was the moment after you had it when you looked in the mirror and were finally able to think, wow, that is who i'm supposed to be? >> it felt validating and affirming. >> was there a moment was it immediately afterwards? was it a month, a year? >> i think it actually came before it. i think the road coming up to that was actually a bigger journey for me. >> as you approached womanhood. >> at 18 i could make the decision to do it on my own without having to consult anyone. >> it takes such guts, janet. that's the thing that strikes me about your book and having made it, you're incredibly gutsy but very determined. there must have been so many people, i guess, i'm surmising here, trying to persuade you this is not a good idea, that you should stick to nature's plan. you've heard all the cliches. >> i don't marvel at it so much. for me there was no choice but to be myself.

i was a young girl growing up in hawaii. parents super loving, super accepting of me. for me i had no other choice. i needed to be myself. i knew that by choosing to live my life for me and cut out all the noise from other people it would enable me to live a life that was full and affirming and happy. >> you come to new york about eight years ago. you got a scholarship to college, moved to new york. you want to earn a master's degree. when you first got to new york city, what was that for you after all you'd been through to get to this thriving hub of all types of people? >> i think new york was the third part of my dream. i had three dreams, which was number one was to become a writer, to live my life as myself, and three, was to move to new york city. it's where i was able to find myself, find my voice as a writer and also develop my mission which is to speak out and speak up alongside many girl that is grew up like myself. >> in 2009, you meet a man and

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back now janet mock author of "redefining realness."

so you meet this guy. what are your thoughts? this is a big moment for you. >> for me, i was just in love with another person. and i think that he was also falling in love with me. i had much history. i had been dating since i was 16 years old. i've exclusively dated men. and i told many men throughout my journey. a lot of that is covered in my book. >> just rewind there. when you had told these men the news, did some them run a mile? did others surprise you by being very supportive? how did men react? >> they were all very mixed. i think disclosure is frightening for me. we're all looking for someone to love us fully who we are, not despite of ourselves but because of ourselves. i was incredibly lucky that i found someone that wanted to just love me. and also he's lucky to also be with me. that's something that must be also stated. >> of course. listen, he's the lucky one here.

let's be under no illusion. but there you are. this guy's called aaron, designing photographer, designed the cover of your book. beautiful cover. very talented guy obviously. you know you've got strong feelings for him and he has for you. you have to tell him this news. it must be a big moment because you really care for him. >> it was major. >> how did he react? >> it was a pivotal moment. for me i was the emotional one. aaron was -- he's a very steady, stable, even-tempered, loving man. and so he asked to give me a hug. that's something that is talked about in the book. i don't want to give away too much. but we are still together and i'm very happy with our dog cleo. >> would you like to get married? >> yeah, i would. one day, yes. >> that suggests to me that maybe there's something going on i don't know about. >> nothing at all. >> has he popped the question yet? >> not yet, no. but i would say yes. >> when you did all this wrote the mary claire piece and the

book not so many people have come out and been so brave and frank and honest about being transgender. you can see laverne cox and others appearing now in a more mainstream way and i guess helping the american people and other countries come to terms with this as being perfectly normal thing. for you it's been a real struggle that you talk about very honestly in the book. to others watching here who might be like a young charles and still feel they can't go through with this, feel desperate they want to be a woman, what's the best advice you would give them? >> i think the hardest battle that any of us can fight as e.e. cummings says is a battle of being ourself in a world that tells us that we are wrong, that we should be silent and we shouldn't be ourselves. and i think that there's nothing i can tell a young person besides tap into yourself, know your truth, and surround yourself with people who affirm

you and love you for exactly who you are. sometimes the people you need to shut out are often the ones that love you. because oftentimes their expectations of you can be a lot of pressure and burden. >> seeing issues like gay marriage in particular, moving very fast in america, faster than many people imagined was possible, what does that tell you about modern america and its ability perhaps to becomes much more accepting and tolerant than they may have been even 20 years ago? >> i think that movement has been going on for a very long time. i think it's a product of much hard work and movement and organizing. it's been going on since the 1960s. and people were also very much a part of that movement. i think of silva rivera, marcia p. johnson, miss major griffin gracie. these women were also on the streets fighting for their lives that night. so for me, i think that america is about self-determination. and exceptionalism and exerting who your identity is in a world that hopefully becomes more and more safe to express yourself

and be very open about who you are. >> i can't think of anyone better to be out there promoting all this than you, janet mock, it's been a delight to meet you. the book is called "redefining realness, my path to woman and identity, love and so much more." if i'm aaron, i would be getting down to the jewelers a word of advice, mate. >> thank you so much. >> good to see you. there's a massive storm barrelling right now across the country tonight that could affect 120 million people. what's causing all the extreme weather? we have a hot debate on that next. ♪

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very high profile and much talked about debate on creationism versus evolutionism. so ken hand, let me start with you. who is responsible for this massive snowstorm raging across america? god or science? >> actually, the bible tells us the whole of creation is running down because of man's pull. and so we do have extremes in weather patterns today. but there's been climate change ever since the flood of noah's day, we would say, massive climate change. so it all depend on the weather patterns. it's what we see today, the way things interact. creationists have no different explanations, they talk about highs and lows and observe what's happening. it's no different than what an evolutionist would talk about. >> bill nye, you've been looking there at ken as you have all evening in the debate or some of it. a look of vague bafflement on your face.

how did you feel the debate tonight? did you learn anything which was even remotely persuasive to you, that maybe you're barking up the wrong tree about this whole global warming business? >> no. and let me say just inherent in mr. hand's answer first of all it was a very respectful evening. i thought we both gave it our best. >> it was. >> i appreciate the opportunity. but just notice that inherent in his response that the world is winding down since the great flood. and that somehow the climate change, what i heard, what i infer from your remarks, is that this is sort of a punishment for humankind. and i'm very skeptical of all three of those things, very skeptical of the ancient flood, very skeptical the world is winding down except its spin is slowing because of the pull of the moon and the tides. and i'm skeptical that it's a punishment from a deity.

with that said, there's more heat energy in the atmosphere and there has been an a long time and the rate at which the heat energy is being added is what is causing all kinds of trouble or all kinds of potential trouble around the world. you cannot tie any one event to climate change that interestingly enough, there is new statistical evidence that extreme heat events can be tied to climate change. when more heat energy is in the hemisphere you expect more storms. >> so let me go back to you. let me ask you this. this is what concerns me about this whole debate. regardless of which side you are on, the number of americans to believe global warming isn't happening has risen 23%. how is it a good idea that americans are being persuaded it doesn't exist if there is even a

1% chance that it does exist. given 80% of scientists all think it does, obviously the chances are much higher. even if you believe your version, is it really helpful to anybody to just take a risk and do nothing? >> by the way, i want to say to bill that some of the catastrophic things that happened in the terrible things that happen and the fact we die is because of the poll, not because of the flood. first of all, the debate tonight was not about global warming. was not about climate change. it was about creation, evolution, signs. >> i ask you a question about global warming. >> in actual fact, one of the emphasis i had tonight was we need to understand the difference between talking about the past, historical sites, and observational science in the present. we need to apply that. for instance there are things we

can directly observed. records of temperatures, understand when things are being warming, which they were in the past and now they're calling again. records going back to show those things happened and those things do happen in this world. when it comes to interpreting like, there are scientists that think the activity of the sun has a lot to do with the climate on earth. >> right. but look here here is the point. 80% of climate scientists believe global warming is a real and present thing. you are in the mass of minority and yet you are a vocal minority. and that locality is basically increasing the number -- what do you believe them? >> i didn't tell you what i believe about all women. i did not say i believe in global warming. >> i was under the assumption you don't believe in global warming as an entity.

>> now, where have i ever said that? i have never said that. >> you mentioned madonna radiobroadcast. >> one of the things we say is the fact that climate's do change and we do a lot of investigation as to what is happening. and why that is happening. there is a difference in what you observed and interpreting the reasons and different scientists have different reasons. >> do you believe as i am led to believe that dinosaurs and man, existed? >> actually, based on the bible, i believe all the land animals were made on day six and adam and eve were made on day seven. people make fun of us believing we think dinosaurs live with people. some of them like crocodiles and horseshoe crabs evolved before dinosaurs and they live with people. what is so remarkable in

believing they live with humans? >> we find fossil bones and dinosaurs going back 17 million years. are you suggesting man existed 17 million years ago? >> no, i am not saying 70 million years. you don't find dinosaur bones with labels on them. where did you get 70 million years? prove that to me? >> bill, let's go back to you. let's go back to you. respond. >> the trouble is that the climate deniers, just to get back to the question, are introducing this idea that scientific uncertainty about any one whether them like we are having in kentucky is the same as scientific doubt about the whole thing. that is a tactic used for a long time, the cigarette industry and people do this. my concern and the reason i accepted the challenge and the debate tonight was that we will

raise a generation of science into don't embrace the process of science, and get confused by the idea that scientific uncertainty is the same as scientific data. this is not in our best interest. as you know, i was born in the u.s. u.s. citizen. i want us to succeed and i do not want the u.s. to raise a generation of science students who don't appreciate the process. now when it comes to humans living with dinosaurs, that is an extraordinary claim for which, for me, there is absolutely no proof at all. non-. for more, i claim my challenge you on this great flood that happened only 4,000 years ago and in my opinion, with all due respect as a like to say, you never got around to saying why there is an extraordinary amount of layers, old trees, and why, for whatever reason, radioactive

radium metric data would not be true. would not be accurate. how could there be light from stars that are more than 6,000 light years away and so 1. >> we covered some of these things in the debate as you know and looking at tree rings you have to make assumptions. even matching of different trees, assumptions involved in having to match the rings together. >> gentlemen, the gentleman. >> introducing doubt. >> gentleman, i am going to call a truce if you have been had it all night and on my show and please come back again and we will continue. thank you very much. we will be right back. in the nation, we reward safe driving.

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