Skip to main content

tv   Erin Burnett Out Front  CNN  February 6, 2014 4:00pm-5:01pm PST

4:00 pm
73% say no. the debate continues on cnn.com/crossfire, as well as on facebook and twitter. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. breaking news. hours away from the olympic opening ceremony, u.s. officials on high alert tonight. the president has just responded to the terror threats. plus, tonight, how toxic is chris christie. why republicans are refusing to be seen with the new jersey governor today. will they live to regret that choice? and philip seymour hoffman remembered by his friends and family. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett. we begin with breaking news. the u.s. responds to terror threats at the olympics. the tsa announcing a ban on all
4:01 pm
carry-on liquids to flights to russia, including apparently toothpaste. the opening ceremonies are now literally just hours away, and officials say that the u.s. is now investigating multiple plots against the games. officials tell cnn tonight the threat stream is credible, and the u.s. is now ready to respond to terror strikes at the games. now, in an interview which aired just moments ago on "nbc nightly news," president obama was asked about the level of cooperation between russia and the united states when it comes to trying to keep the games safe. here's the president. >> i think the russians have an enormous stake, obviously, in preventing any kind of terrorist act or violence at these venues, and they have put a lot of resources into it. we're in constant communications with them, both at the law enforcement level, at the military level, at the intelligence levels. >> jim is in washington tonight. jim, you've been working your sources. now we're hearing about multiple
4:02 pm
credible threats. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, first, on the multiple credible threats, what we're hearing is that u.s. intelligence authorities are tracking more than one threat. among them, this toothpaste threat, and they're treating them all seriously. the challenge, though, is distinguishing between the aspirational threats -- the things that terrorists think about doing -- and operational threats -- the means to carry them out. in an abundance of caution, they're taking measures like the one you mentioned there, which is banning liquids, gel, aerosols on flights from the u.s. to russia. >> all right. well, jim, thank you very much. the big fear, everyone, is you don't know what you don't know. as chairman mccaul told us last night, despite the security concerns, the opening ceremonies for the olympics are going on just as planned. as i indicated, the time change, that really is just hours from now. we're already, of course, in friday in sochi, and ivan watson
4:03 pm
is there tonight. ivan, what's the atmosphere like there? >> reporter: i think people are excited. they just started the countdown, beaming it up onto the side of a stadium here. i talked to members of team usa, dozens of them coming into the airport today. one of them, snowboarder fay galani, said i was nervous about wearing my team usa color, but now that i see the pageantry, and i see everyone else is wearing them, i'm going to wear them, too. and i asked others, are you worried about the toothpaste threat? and they said, we feel okay. one little note i want to add. our own cnn sports correspondent, rachel nichols, she flew from moscow to sochi today. she had tubes of creams and makeups and toothpaste in her carry-on bag and the russian security did not take that away from her, so amid all of this talk of toothpaste explosives, it does not seem the russian
4:04 pm
authorities are trying to strip that from people as they fly domestically inside russia here to sochi. >> that's pretty interesting. because, i mean, who knows whether that's because the russians and the americans are really not agreeing on this threat, or that the question i've always had, which is i've never put my toothpaste in my liquids bag, and i think a lot of people haven't. it's not liquid to a lot of people, so it might not be as easy to confiscate. what are russian officials saying about the security threats? are they playing them up to the level we're hearing stateside? >> reporter: we're certainly hearing a different narrative coming from the russians. they're saying, "we have taken precautions. we have tens of thousands of security forces on the ground." and this is going to be the safest winter olympics ever. it's a constant refrain, where the deputy prime minister was quoted saying that sochi is just as safe as boston or new york orlon done right now, or washington, d.c. i talked to the ceo of sochi airport. he said that they were screening for things like liquids and so
4:05 pm
on. both in checked-in luggage and in the carry-on luggage. but he also continued the same refrain. he thinks it's safe here. when you talk to ordinary russians -- people who grew -- who live here in sochi, you get mixed responses. some saying i feel totally good. i've heard anecdotal cases of families, for instance, sending their children out of town. because they're worried there could be an attack of some sort. and you have to keep in mind that we are right next to -- we're in the midst of the caucasuses region. this is a conflict-prone area, politically charged, and there's been a lot of violence over the last 20 years not very far from sochi, where i'm standing today. >> all right. ivan watson, thank you very much. not far from where ivan is standing -- and when he talked about some people sending their children away, violence targeted explicitly at children and at schools. now to the potential threat of explosives hidden inside a tube of toothpaste. when you ask the question, okay, what would that bomb look like, what damage could it do?
4:06 pm
well, we wanted to find out. brian todd took a look at exactly that question. and, brian, it's pretty amazing. it could be one small tube, what, 4.2 ounces, but it could do a lot. >> reporter: that's right, erin. we found it really does not take much. 6.3 ounces of an explosive, actually, not much more than the amount of toothpaste in these two carry-on size containers can blast a hole in the fuselage of a passenger plane. here's a look at what that amount of explosive did in the test we commissioned. explosives hidden inside a toothpaste tube can be powerful and potentially deadly. this bomb in a toothpaste container blew off a car door, sent parts of it across the quarry in southwestern england where cnn commissioned this test with the help of sydney alford, an expert who helps first responders understand explosion irvs. what kind of damage could this bomb do? >> i wouldn't like to be in an airplane when that exploded, not even a big one. >> reporter: for this test, ail
4:07 pm
fe ailford used rdx, a white powder. he filled three-quarters with the concoction and the rest with toothpaste. >> it smells and tastes like toothpaste. i have presented this in such a way that somebody giving it a casual inspection will probably pass it. >> reporter: the size of the container that alford used is the size you place in checked baggage, but two smaller containers this size, which traditionally you can carry onto a plain, can also be used. these tubes would have to be either attached or placed near each other to create a similar explosion as the one you just saw. they can be detonated by a heat source. erin? >> all right. when we talk about the heat source, this is not just some sort of a hypothetical, right, that they said they're going to do this and authorities are worried. a toothpaste bomb has been used on passenger jet before. >> reporter: it has. in october 1976, anti-castro cuban operatives hid explosives
4:08 pm
in a colgate tube of toothpaste. 70 people were killed in that bombing. >> incredible, too, when you think how far we've come. that's 40 years ago, and yet that technology is still such a threat. amazing when you watch the car. you could see the damage just from this. and then think about the things we may not know about. the so-called loud music murder trial begins. an unarmed black teenager killed. a lot of people are comparing it to trayvon martin case. and controversial comments, you know, the question -- do the wealthiest americans work harder than anyone else? and one of twitter's darkest days ever. what caused the site's shares to plummet? [ male announcer ] pain. once you feel it coming, it's almost too late.
4:09 pm
or is it? introducing new, fast acting advil. with an ultra-thin coating and fast absorbing advil ion core™ technology, nothing works faster to stop pain in its tracks. new fast acting advil. never taken the time to just...watch. but something about spending this time together, sailing past ancient glaciers in alaska... talking under a universe billions of years old... makes you realize how old time is and how short life is. she can take all the time she wants. princess cruises, come back new. ♪
4:10 pm
4:11 pm
bob will retire when he's 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage. luckily, he found someone who gave him a fresh perspective on his portfolio. and with some planning and effort, hopefully bob can retire at a more appropriate age. it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade.
4:12 pm
the so-called loud music murder trial is now under way for a florida man. here's what happened. he shot and killed an african-american 17-year-old. you might say that sort of sounds familiar. well, it does have similarities to the george zimmerman trial last year. this case, 47-year-old michael dunn, told police that he fired in self-defense after an alleged dispute over loud music that the teen and his three friends were playing in their suv. this all happened sort of at a stop, and then it ended with this man shooting eight times. torrey dunham was inside the courtroom in florida and she begins our coverage "outfront." >> oh, my god, somebody is shooting out of their car. >> reporter: surveillance video shown in court from the night jordan davis was shot and killed.
4:13 pm
police say it all started with an argument over loud music blasting from a car parked at a jacksonville gas station. 47-year-old software developer michael dunn, charged with first degree murder and three counts of attempted murder, is claiming self-defense. dunn told police during an interrogation that he asked davis and the other teens in the suv parked next to him to turn down the music. he said at first they complied, then he says he heard threats. >> the guy that was in the back he was getting really agitated. and my window's up, i can't hear anything he's saying, but, you know, there's a lot of [ bleep ] and that [ bleep ] and [ bleep ], and then the music comes back on. >> reporter: two sides in court today telling very different stories about what happened on november 23rd, 2012. >> and they'll tell you about the interaction between jordan davis and the defendant, that jordan davis was upset, no doubt.
4:14 pm
he was cussing, no doubt. he raised his voice. but he never threatened the defendant. he -- you're dead [ bleep ]. this is going down now. with a shotgun barrel sticking out of the window or a lead pipe, whatever it was was a deadly weapon -- >> reporter: dunn told investigators he saw a weapon point eed him, feared for his safety, and fired. >> the person firing has left. >> reporter: police say they never found a gun in the teens' durango. at the crux of the case, why didn't dunn just drive off? >> he just had somebody threaten his life, display a weapon, try to exit a vehicle and say this [ bleep ] is going down now [ bleep ]. and for the first time in his life, he has to use a firearm to
4:15 pm
defend himself. >> reporter: all right, so, erin, another key part of the case that the jury will be taking a close look at is the fact that dunn left the scene and never called police. detectives actually caught up with him because witnesses were able to get the license plate numbers, and then track him down to his house. so the prosecutors obviously are very focused on this. the defense is, as well. it's important to point out that dunn told police during the interrogation that took place that he was afraid that he'd never should have left the scene, but he says he wanted to get back home, be around his family, and then talk to law enforcement there. >> all right, tory, thank you very much. she really laid it out so clearly. i want to bring in jacksonville defense attorney janet johnson. janet, i want to talk about some of the similarities between this case possibly and the trayvon martin/george zimmerman case. but first, the whole self-defense argument. is this plausible? this is a man who left the scene. he shot a black teenager. they weren't in any physical altercation, like in the
4:16 pm
martin/zimmerman case, right? they were in two separate cars, and he shot eight times. i mean, it sort of seems hard to believe it. that it would be self-defense. >> no, yeah, i agree. and we all thought that leading up to today. but cory stroller did an amazing job, i have to say. he did lay out the foundation of self-defense. one of the things being -- and even john guy, who is the prosecutor in zimmerman and the prosecutor in this case, even john guy said, look, they were jawing at each other. we didn't hear that from trayvon martin. we didn't hear trayvon martin was engaging in a fight. but actually, john guy admitted that today, and that he was disrespectful. cory kind of took that and ran with it, and said, not only was he disrespectful, he threatened his life. and he laid a foundation that i thought was really interesting, that the person driving the car was on felony probation, and, in kt fa, violated the probation by being out late. if there was a gun in the car, that person would have to ditch the gun, otherwise he would go to prison. he did a good job. >> and you mentioned some of the prosecutors were there in the
4:17 pm
zimmerman case, you know, angela cory, john guy, about you how in the world do you justify in self-defense when it turns out the person that's shot has no dw gun at all, eight shots? ? >> well, i don't think the defense will say the person had no gun. you heard him say it was a gun or a piper. he said either one is a weapon. he's going to suggest, and he said this in the press, that there was an opportunity, even though there's video, but there was an opportunity for them to ditch the gun, because they did drive away, and that the police did not search properly and didn't find one, if one was ditched. >> so they're not -- they're not even acknowledging that there was no gun. all right. >> they're not stipulating to that, no. >> all right. thank you very much. it will be a fascinating case. of course, we'll be covering it. and let us know what you think. do you think self-defense could hold in this situation? still to come, two of the suspects arrested in connection with the drugs found at philip seymour hoffman's apartment released from jail. plus the end of an era. or is it?
4:18 pm
jay leno is going to sign off tonight, but for how long? and the pope's harley. seriously. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course. ♪ [ sportscaster talking on tv ] last-second field go-- yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at&t digital life. personalized home security and automation. get professionally monitored security for just $29.99 a month. with limited availability in select markets. ♪
4:19 pm
4:20 pm
4:21 pm
tonight, after more than 20 years, jay leno is going to step off "the tonight show" for the second, and maybe -- and i want to say maybe, this is a complicated saga, maybe for the last time. i want to play a few of the memorable moments from his long career. >> let me start with question number one. [ laughter ]
4:22 pm
what the hell were you thinking? [ laughter and applause ] >> it's battle of the celebrity all-stars, reality show edition. >> hands on the buzzer. in 1974, this president resigned from office. >> kindra? >> clinton. >> no. >> carter. >> what's this thing with trump and you? it's like me and letterman. what has he got against you here? [ laughter ] >> you know, this all dates back to when we were growing up together in kenya. >> crystal is an entertainment reporter with bloomberg. let's talk about this from the perspective of where leno is, reportedly making $15 million a year at this mount, but obviously, that wasn't his only source of income. that's what i people loved him. he was committed to where he came from, stand-up comedy, and dethat all the way through, and, of course, a massive car collection, which, you know,
4:23 pm
could be worth an incredible amount of money. what's his net worth, do you think? >> well, we -- it's very difficult for people like jay who earn a lot of money through salary and don't have a lot of visible assets or business, but we took just his "tonight show" salary, took a big chunk off for taxes, and then we invested him conservatively in stocks and bonds, and we figure he could be worth $250 million just on that alone. >> just on that alone. okay, wow. i hope he's got some estate planning, because i know he doesn't have kids. it doesn't seem like he wants to slow down. i mean, that seems very clear. so what do you think he will do next? >> well, you know, he's always been a workaholic. he was doing 100 gigs a year, stand-up, even when he had a day job. and it appears he's going to accelerate that. he's got three shows this weekend in florida. so he's going to do a lot more stand-up comedy. >> do you think he'll go back onto tv? it's not -- there aren't just three guys anymore on late
4:24 pm
night. there's, what, seven or eight? you know, he could -- he could come to a place like cnn and get a lot smaller audience than he gets now and it would be great for a place like cnn or somewhere else. >> i think it would be great for anyone, you know. jay is beloved, and he's cert n certainly fielding a lot of offers. greenblatt, head of nbc, said it's unlikely he'd do a talk show, but maybe specials. jay's got a lot of options. >> that's always a good place to be. plus, $250 million, right? you can give anybody you want the heave-ho. all right, chris, thank you. that brings me to the "outtake." david letterman, you heard him referenced there, unveiled a temporary marquee at the ed sullivan theater featuring a vintage look and dream lineup including the beatles. it's a tribute to the band's historic first trip to this country when they performed on sullivan show. that first appearance on the program was on february 9th,
4:25 pm
1964, 50 years ago. now, just think for a minute, it drew 74 million viewers. that was 34% of the entire u.s. population. that's, like, bigger than the super bowl. since then, the moment has been shared -- a shared memory for baby boomers that anyone under the age of 50 could not understand, because beatle mania is back in a huge way. there's no escaping them at the moment. the two surviving beatles reunited at the grammys. tribute bands are forming around the country. tomorrow, a group from liverpool, including four look-alikes, the cavern club beatles, will create the legendary arrival at jfk airport. there's an old saying if can you remember the '60s, you probably weren't there. and i guess those words have never been more true. i will now live vicariously. exnext, how toxic is chris
4:26 pm
christie? why are people avoiding him in his party? will they live to rue the day? and suspects released from. if you wear a denture,
4:27 pm
take this simple test.
4:28 pm
press your tongue against it, like this. it moves! do you feel it? it can happen with every denture. these movements may irritate your gums. but you don't have to bear with it. you can try fixodent plus gum care. thanks to its formula, your gums become one with your denture. this helps stop movement and helps prevent gum irritation so you can keep enjoying life. [ apple crunches ] fixodent. and forget it.
4:29 pm
welcome back to the second
4:30 pm
half of "outfront." twitter tanks, shares plunging, the most since the site started trading. three months ago, down 24% today, after a report showed losses that were wider than expected. the company does not yet earn money. also concerning for investors, signs that user growth is slowing down, and what i mean by that is how many people are using it every month. 243 million people used twitter every month in the last quarter. that's a jump compared to a year ago, but it's only up 3.9% from the prior quarter, so growth is slowing down dramatically. one bright spot for the company, though, is mobile. the rock 'n' roll pope ups his cred, selling his harley. yes, the pope had a larly. -- harley. 2009 dyna super glide was auctioned off. that's kind of amazing. it's a blessed harley. the motorcycle jacket went for $68,000. the bike was donated to him, and
4:31 pm
we're not actually sure whether he rode it. it's got to be hard for the pope to know what to do with the gifts he gets like this statue chocolate of himself made with 1 1/2 tons of cocoa. eat it. all right. the castaway who claims he was lost at sea for 13 months is back in the hospital. he is severely dehydrated, being fed intravenusly. doctors say his limbs have been swelling. many have been skeptical of his story. he said he travelled 6,000 miles across the open ocean. he said his friend died because he refused to eat raw birds and turtles. officials say there is no reason to doubt his story. at this hour, chris christie is facing the biggest test yet, trying to reclaim his position at the top of the gop. he's in texas, ground zero for big, big gop money. but is the george washington bridge scandal crushing the once golden governor? the assumed shoe in for 2016,
4:32 pm
the two biggest republicans in texas, well, they seem to be distancing themselves. neither governor rick perry or the republican nominee for governor stood by christie's side today. in fact, governor christie himself was uncharacteristically out of sight. today in dallas, his entire schedule completely secret, behind closed doors. joining me now host of new jersey capitol report, steve audeboto and ken cuccinelli. steve, let me start with you. the trips don't come up the day before. this has been planned a while. going to raise money. really important donors in texas. >> sure. >> but all of a sudden, nobody wants -- look, they're not appearing with him, and if they wanted to, they would have. that's when you get the photo ops and things like that. is this the right move for republicans to avoid chris christie right now in. >> look, every republican across this country will have a tough choice to make. chris christie is not going. i know that mr. cuccinelli a couple of weeks ago here on cnn
4:33 pm
on "crossfire" said it's time for chris christie to go. i haven't heard the groundswell, the bandwagon he started is pretty empty. so far, the candidates have to decide, the candidates running for governor, incumbents like rick perry have to decide. but they want the money, they want the christie money. they may not want to be there right next to him or take a pekt at that moment while the controversy is where it is, but they want the christie money. the republicans know that across the country. until they have another candidate, maybe they don't know this guy. he knows when he steps down as the rga president, chairman, he's action noknowledging as a l candidate he's done, and i know him well enough to know not very soon. >> you blamed christie for your loss. christie didn't appear with you. since then, the bridge allegations, you said he should step down as the chair of the rga. but why? no one has proven he did anything wrong, and he categorically denies it.
4:34 pm
there's not been any proof at all. >> yeah, and i don't suggest that he did anything wrong. obviously, there was pettiness there, people on his staff. that hasn't reached him. my comment isn't a legal comment, it isn't -- it isn't anything other than reality. you just told us what happened in texas, and guess what? that's going to happen all over this country. my comment a couple of weeks ago here on cnn was just a very practical observation. is that a republican in any state where they can lose -- so not utah -- is not going to want to be seen publicly with governor christie until this is entirely behind him, because the point of having a rock star governor from out of state come and help you is to help you. if the story the next day is about a lane closure on a bridge in new jersey, then you're not advancing your candidacy, and
4:35 pm
the goal, for instance, when nikki haley came in to help me last year, she talked me up and the areas we shared common ground, and she pumped us up. and that's what the story was about the next day. >> ken -- >> you know, it was, steve's got -- you know, he wants to take his shots. [ overlapping speakers ] >> -- let me say this about texas. the last poll of chris christie, before all of this broke, ken, and you know it, he was running behind other candidates. he is not a popular candidate in texas. that isn't a state, even before this bridgegate thing happened, where he was anywhere nationally, you know and i know. so let's say this -- >> too liberal for texas. >> well, and a republican party being moderate is being liberal, and you would know that, ken, another shot, i guess you would call it. but here's the thing. chris christie in other states, we're going to find out -- and more marginal states where people react to him -- in texas that's not a good test. once you say that, ken, because across the country, when you have shot across the bow, who else has jumped on the bandwagon publicly? >> first of all, there's no bandwagon for something like this.
4:36 pm
you were right, steve, about one thing you said earlier, and that's what matters is how candidates react. if they won't stand with him in texas, i read texas quite the opposite from you. texas isn't safe for greg abbott, but he's got a leg up, he's a very strong candidate. >> he, of course, is the republican -- >> running for governor. >> right. >> he won't stand with the chairman of the republican governors association, and there's a reason for that. look, i had to do this last year in virginia. >> i agree with you -- >> in leadership, there's a time to step forward and there's a time to step back, and now is a time for him to step back. >> but what if he's exonerated? then what happened? because then he's got all these people, and i would imagine chris christie would have a list of the people who refused to -- >> exonerated -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> if you mean exonerated in terms of a legal perspective, let's acknowledge it, that will take a long, long time. >> yeah. that may not affect the public eye or not. >> the problem with the media, and ken knows this very well, as a candidate for statewide office
4:37 pm
and the former attorney general in virginia, politically and in the media, we're not waiting for that. chris christie, and any other person who is in such a difficult, challenging situation, much of it is the product of his administration, he owns it, he has to deal with it. it's not like it happened to him. the bottom line is this, he's not waiting for it. he has to deal with it, deal with running the state back home. if it gets to a point, mr. cuccinelli, where he can't run the state, where he can't govern, and no one across the country wants christie's efforts to raise money, then you would be rightment but my sources tell me that so far, people want him raising money, and so far, no one has publicly jumped on the ken cuccinelli bandwagon. >> oh, of course not. no, no, no, there's nobody running for governor this year that's going to step out and publicly say, i don't want to see him. but he went to a state in the gubernatorial candidate wasn't anywhere to be seen. same thing happened in florida, which is not like texas. the bandwagon here, to use your word, steve, is very small.
4:38 pm
it is what a candidates do. and it's a very practical analysis. and he hurts, he doesn't help. >> the bandwagon is agreeing with you, why don't they say, mr. cuccinelli is right, we agree with him. >> no, no, that's a criticism of christie. they don't want to come out and attack christie. >> it show he has the power and authority to prevent that. >> sure, the rga has been effective, but the governor -- candidates are in to win, and if he doesn't help them advance that, they won't stand next to him. >> all right. we appreciate your time. viewers, we want your input as to christie's standing. knows who love the philip seymour hoffman gathered to pay their respects at a wake in new york city. the first of the farewells for hoffman. you can see his longtime partner, mimi o'donnell there, and they had three young children there, and his funeral will be a private affair held tomorrow afternoon, five days after he was found dead of an
4:39 pm
apparent overdose with a needle in his arm, bags of heroin in his apartment, there are still many questions and as police try to track down the person who sold the heroin to hoffman, we're learning two of the people that officers took into custody tuesday are now out of jail. juliana luchkiw and her live-in boyfriend were released today. both pled not guilty to a misdemeanor charge, that's all it is for possessing heroin. vineberg, who had the late actor's number stored in his cell phone, remains in custody. philip seymour hoffman spent 10 days in rehab last year, that's it, after coming to terms withen addiction. it's a horrible process for heroin addicts, and poppy harlow travelled to an area outside of new york city where heroin use has exploded. >> reporter: the first time chris shot up heroin he was too scared to do it himself, so his friend did it for him when he was 16. >> i was shoot up mostly in my feet.
4:40 pm
>> reporter: how many bags a day? >> it escalated to almost five or six bags every time i shot up. >> reporter: he spent hundreds of dollars a day feeding his addiction. how could you get that money? >> i was stealing money from my parents. i was doing illegal action for my friends. i broke into houses. i've done all of the above besides selling myself. >> reporter: chris is now 17 and in rehab full time at outreach, an adolescent treatment center. he has survived heroin, but others in his community have not, and these are the loved ones they've left behind. it's easier for them to get heroin than to get a beer. and it's all over, and these kids are not afraid to use it. >> reporter: diane and robert's daughter jacqueline was just 24 when she overdosed in her own bed. susan's daughter, megan, a straight-a student, dead at 22. dorothy's son, max, was 28.
4:41 pm
and tara's brother, paul, 19. how do you even put the pain into words? can you? >> no, there's just a hole in my heart. a part of my heart died the same day. and you just learn to live with it. >> reporter: addiction specialist jeffrey reynolds says he's seen a sevenfold increase in new patients in rhode island in the past five years. >> ten years ago if you used two to three bags of heroin a day, you were considered a chronic heavy user. for kids these days, that's breakfast. >> reporter: a crackdown on prescription pain killers has had the unintended effect of pushing more teens to cheaper, and more be accessible heroin. here on long island, heroin has killed a record number of people in the last two years and heroin arrests by the dea are up 163% in just the last year. >> our children are just like every other mother or father's
4:42 pm
child. and they're not junkies, and that term needs to change. >> reporter: there's a stigma, they tell us, that leaves many parents isolated in the battle to save their children. >> it can happen to anyone, at any age. >> reporter: chris is proof of that, but 11 months of rehab have brought him to the other side in the fight for his life. did this place save your life? >> i feel that it did. i put myself in so many circumstances where i could have died. i'm now being able to say i have different ways that i can manage my emotions besides getting high, it makes me very happy and excited to go through my future. >> reporter: a future he'll begin in a week when he completes treatment and faces the challenge of staying sober. poppy harlow, cnn, brentwood, new york. still to come, do rich people work harder? well, that's what one billionaire investor is saying and publicly. so the numbers, the math, the
4:43 pm
analysis. is he right? and a man in his underwear frozen in place. jeanne moos has that story later in the show. how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪ if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. but with less energy, moodiness, and a low sex drive, i had to do something. i saw my doctor. a blood test showed it was low testosterone, not age. we talked about axiron the only underarm low t treatment that can restore t levels to normal in about two weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant,
4:44 pm
and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these symptoms to your doctor. tell your doctor about all medical conditions and medications. serious side effects could include increased risk of prostate cancer, worsening prostate symptoms, decreased sperm count, ankle, feet or body swelling, enlarged or painful breasts, problems breathing while sleeping and blood clots in the legs. common side effects include skin redness or irritation where applied, increased red blood cell count, headache, diarrhea, vomiting, and increase in psa. ask your doctor about axiron.
4:45 pm
4:46 pm
. now, let's check in with anderson with a look at "ac
4:47 pm
360." >> yeah, the very real security threats prompting u.s. officials to ban all liquid in carry-ons from the flights from the u.s. to russia. we'll explain how a small amount of explosive material disguised to look and taste like toothpaste has this destructive power. a live report from sochi on that ahead. and also the strange defense of the affluenza defense, the reckless behavior, substance abuse, blaming the media, killed a number of people in a traffic accident. we're keeping him honest tonight. and i'll speak with eric boyles whose wife and daughter were killed by ethan couch, ahead at the top of the hour. >> all right. looking forward to that. see new a few minutes. do rich people work harder? that's what billionaire real estate investor bill zell says. this is not the sort of tonic where i paraphrase. let me just play it for you. >> the quote 1% are being pummelled because it's
4:48 pm
politically convenient to do so. the problem is that the world and this country should not talk about envy of the 1%. it should talk about emulating the 1%. the 1% work harder. the 1% are much bigger factors in all forms of our society. >> zell is responding to the now infamous comments by tom perkins. so this man, tom perkins, wrote a letter to the "wall street journal," and he wrote, and i want to quote him, paraphrasing not appropriate here, i would call attention to the parallels of fascist nazi germany to the war on its 1%, namely its jewing, to the progressive war on the american 1%, namely the rich. now, perkins later apologized for the comparison of today's treatment to the persecution of jews in nazi, germany, but this is what's important, he's standing behind the message of class warfare. joining me now paul and rajan. i just love this topic, and i
4:49 pm
have so many things i want to get to. paul, what do you say, 1% works harder? >> of course not. are you nuts? come on. first off, americans work harder than anybody in the world. we work longer hours, we retire later, take less vacation, fewer holidays. and the notion that oh, say, a private first class in the marine comp, after three years making less than $2,000 a month, he doesn't work harder than mr. zell? or special ed teacher? or a cop? or a construction worker? i mean, it's nuts. it's offensive. you know, mr. zell, maybe he has affluenza, we don't envy you, mr. zell. we pity you. >> there are a couple of things wrong with what you said, paul. americans don't work the longest hours. if you look at south koreans or mexicans, for example, they put us to shame. the average work hours for an american worker, it's about 1,900 hours in a year. now, if you're looking at the highest earners in the united states, they're working over 3,400 hours. they're working many more hours. that doesn't make them great
4:50 pm
people. that doesn't make them better. there are lots of reasons why -- >> is that working -- first off -- first off -- >> for example, obamacare, cbo has said that obamacare, health insurance subsidies will lead to less work effort. now, that doesn't -- it's not about people being bad people. high earners work much longer hours. >> a, it's not true. b, he's not talking about high earners. talking about the top 1%. that would include the kardashians and paris hiltons of the world, people who just inherited -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> husbands married to wives both both of them work really long hours. most of the top 1% are boring people who work really long hours. they're not fancy people like the kardashians. i don't know what they do. >> let me just take a step back. i think people hear both of your points. what about this. i just looked at the top three richest americans according to the forbes list. bill gates, warren buffett,
4:51 pm
larry ellison. all three self-made. some people get to be in that top top top echelon because they are workaholics and have some incredible talent or gift. >> absolutely. that's not what sam zell said. he said we're more important in every facet of society. we think it's wonderful in america. we celebrate success and wealth in this country. the notion that mr. zell feels like he's being pummelled for that even under barack obama the great socialist, 95% of the income gains have gone to the top 1%. 95%. that's a pummelling? no, that's coddling. what mr. zell's persecution complex these whiny wealthy. mr. langone a billionaire is complaining the pope is too rough on the wealthy. then mr. per kin's famous thing about the nazis and mr. zell whining. when did these billionaires
4:52 pm
become cry baby baby woosies. >> what is that? what did he mean by that? that does appear to be a pretty offensive thing. much bigger factors in all forms of our society? >> i agree with paul in one sense. everybody makes contributions in different ways and we should respect everyone. but it's also true that when you're looking at people in the top 1%, i want to get us away from thinking about the kardashian, some superbillion air. when you're really talking about the top 1% of earners in this country. it really is true that you're talking about two-earner couples in which you've you've got let's say a lawyer married to a public schoolteacher. and that's really the case. when you look at the top 5% even up to the top 1% of earners, they live in high-cost metropolitan areas, they live in the suburbs of l.a. or new york city where it's really expense tentative live. and they have to pay for childcare an a ton of other stuff. unglamorous people who are doing their part, too. i think that those are people it doesn't make a ton of sense to demonize. >> to that point, paul, let me
4:53 pm
ask you this question. part of the problem here and the reason there's so much discussion about this is the polls, right? government should work to reduce the income gap between rich and poor, 90% of democrats agree with that. independents 65%. only 36% of republicans. my point is the majority of americans agree with that. that's what this all comes from. do the rich need to do more to help this country. and when it comes to taxes, you know the math, right? you could tax all the millionaires in this country at 100% so they never have another dollar that you can get from them and you'd get $700 billion. that's the stimulus plan the president passed in one month. >> erin, first off mr. zell himself availed himself legally i'm quite sure, i don't have any doubt about the legality. but of corporate loopholes. one citizens for tax justice cited saved him $1.8 billion on his taxes. availed himself of the government protection of bankruptcy. it's not a question of leveling down. we celebrate the gates and
4:54 pm
buffetts and oracle guy el sohn. we admire those people and we should. we want to lift up. there's an increasing sense in this country that the game is rigged on behalf of the sam zells in the world because for a whole lot of americans it is. for mr. zell to not want to support public education and opportunities for more people to lift up, it's ultimately going to shortchange the rich as much as it will the poor. >> the question is how do you solve that and can you do that by taking from the wealthy by taxing or is there another way to do it. opportunity at the beginning. that is the big question. thanks to both of you. we'll continue that topic here on the show. still to come, a half-naked sleep walker frozen in place frightening people to death. jeanne moos with the story. cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last,
4:55 pm
which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. i didn't think i could buy them their own, let alone for under $300. but this asus with windows is lightweight and has everything they need -- not like chromebooks that can't install office or have to be connected to the internet to get much done. with this they can do homework, chat, play games -- on their own laptop, and their own time. so no more fighting... at least not over my laptop. ♪ honestly, i wanna see you be brave ♪ there's nothing like being your own boss! and my customers are really liking your flat rate shipping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe a promotion is in order.
4:56 pm
good news. i got a new title. and a raise? management couldn't make that happen. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex. then a little time to kick back. earn double hilton honors points with the 2x points package and be one step closer to a weekend break. doubletree by hilton. where the little things mean everything.
4:57 pm
4:58 pm
a new statue is -- decide for yourself. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: wake up, buddy, you're sleep walking in your underwear and you're causing an ruckus. you're rooming the campus of an all women's school. even your creator had to admit -- >> do you mind when people call him creepy? >> he is a little creepy. >> reporter: the artist never imagined the sculpture the sleep walker would leave some people be freaked out. >> we can't put clothes on it i'd like it to be moved. >> reporter: on thursday the sculptor met with students who had circulated a petition to
4:59 pm
have the statue moved inside the campus's davis museum. they said it has become a source of apprehension, fear, and triggering thoughts regarding sexual assault for some members of our campus community. >> what's the problem with just moving him inside the museum? >> because he was designed to be outside. the point of the sculpture is that he is out of place. he's wandered off. that he's lost. >> reporter: he may seem cold, but don't look for goose bumps. he's made out of bronze and took five months to sculpt. the sleep walker instantly became a magnet for students taking selfies, for students putting clothes on the poor guy or slinging a bag over his shoulder. he was photoshoppeded to look like an olympic skier. students made him a snowman to keep him company. the artist says he's even seen kids -- >> twerking up against it, this kind of stuff. when is the last time anyone talked so much about a sculpture? >> and that's kind of the point. when is the last time someone talk so much about a sculpture? all this he's intimidating?
5:00 pm
i bet one wellsy grad, hillary clinton, wouldn't have been intimidated at all. thanks for watching. anderson starts now. breaking news tonight. another warning on top of so many others in the run up to the winter olympics. this one on the eve of opening ceremonies. the federal government temporarily banning all liquids, gels, aerosols and powders in carry on luggage between flights when the u.s. and russia in the wake of concerns terrorists might set off explosives concealed in tubes of toothpaste. in case you're wondering what kind of damage that could do take a look. that is the destruction from just a couple of ounces of an explosive called rdx. that test was commissioned. explosive engineers sidney alfred filled a toothpaste tube with the rdx, topped it off with enough toothpaste to look totally innocent. >> i wouldn't like to be in an airplane with that explosive, not even a big one. it smells and