up next. john berman and micayla perez's new shower "at this hour" starts right now. an all american football star reveals he is gay. is the nfl ready for its first openly gay player? >> we are learning that hillary clinton clinton has some strong opinions about monica lewinsky. you don't call someone a narcissistic loony tune because you like them. >> children watch as a giraffe is dismembered and the animal is devoured by lions. this happened to a healthy jury after at a zoo. hello, everybody. i'm john berman. >> i'm michaela pereira. those and more at this hour. the city of atlanta says, this will not happen to us again. you remember this, snow, sleet and rain. they are in the forecast again starting tonight. a new task force is on the job to make sure everybody is ready

ahead of time before the storm. the governor has already declared a state of emergency for 14 counties. you better believe they will be ready at this time. meanwhile, at this hour in jacksonville, florida, the medical examiner is on the witness stand in the so-called loud murder trial. the defendant admits he shot and killed a 17-year-old in a dispute over loud music but was it self-defense or murder? ashleigh banfield will have more in our next hour. >> the obama administration is considering a mission to kill an american citizen involved with al qaeda ad suspected of plotting attacks against the u.s. they won't say who it is. a senior official tells us they are holding a high-level discussion with military commander's as to whether to take this person out. they are weighing the risk and the importance of the target. same-sex couples are being granted the same status as other couples regarding federal legal matters, such as bankruptcy and death benefits. a justice department memo makes

this official. it affects the 34 states that have not made same-sex marriage legal. eric holder compares it to the government's role to the civil rights movement. >> nothing less than equal protection under the law is at stake. the justice department's role must be as aggressive today as it was in robert kennedy's time. >> that major milestone comes amid another first all-american football player, michael sam reveals he is gay. will he become the first openly gay player drafted in the nfl? we will speak to cyd zeigler and greg liuganus. there is certainly a lot of buzz about hillary clinton, writings from her about the old

friend coming to the surface. her husband, bill, taking a beating from republicans. >> let's start with that. kentucky senator, rand paul, he is campaigning like it is 1999. paul's name is out there as candidate in 2016. he has been discussing hillary clinton but also talking about bill clinton, calling the former president a sexual predator. he says that democrats are hypocrites if they let him raise money for them. >> anybody who wants to take money from bill clinton or have a fund-raiser has a lot of explaining to do. i think they should give the money back. if they want to take a position on women's rights, by all means, do but you can't do it and take it from a guy who was using his position of authority to take advantage of young women in the work place. >> that again, kentucky senator, rand paul. he is not the only one stirring up the monica memories from the 1990s. a new report based on the writings of a clinton confident

says that hillary clinton referred to monica lewinsky as a narcissistic loony tune and that bill tried to break off the relationship but it got beyond his control. >> will cain is here and ellis kent here. i was listening to you talk about that. you made a reference to monica lewinsky and the year, 1990. it is 2014, gentlemen. are we here again? why on earth is this happening? >> i think we're hear because of hypocrisy. i think that's the reason we are having this conversation. i honestly think republicans are so fed up with hearing about this false war on women overseerus disgreemts agreement abortion or who should pay for birth control. this is coming from a man who took advantage of a girl in the work place. that's why it is coming up. a separate conversation of whether it is smart or right to

do so. >> some would argue, it takes two to tango. >> there is a reason we do not have take your spouse to work day in america. this is still awkward territory for americans. it was pretty good for bill clinton once americans react. i think it makes rand paul stuck in the past. >> 80% of men do not care who bill clinton slept with, and for those others, it paints hillary in the perfect situation as a victim, a sympathetic figure. >> let's talk about the hillary papers coming to light collected by a friend of the clintons who passed way in 2000. they are being seen for the first time. mrs. clinton called monica

lewinsky at the time a narcissistic loony tune. >> i think maybe i agree with that. >> what hillary clinton needs to do at this point is continue to humanize herself and make her someone people relate to partly in the way they relate to her husband, bill. >> on that note, doesn't it help hillary clinton every time rand paul brings up monica lieu wipsky if twi lewinsky. it humanizes her but we've talked about why it is happening and how it may play politically. there is a third angle to this. should we be having these conversations? those papers published in the washington free beacon reveal a ruthlessness in hillary. you need to ask yourself, is this someone who should run the country? >> if those terms were used to describe a man, people would likely say those are laud i

believe qualities? >> we talked about the obama administration of being extremely tight on leaks and anybody coming out saying something they don't like. man or women, president or secretary of state. this is worth knowing about it. >> michaela makes a point. the reason not to talk about, it is old, icky, and none of our business. ahead, aol ceo is backpedaling on a benefits policy about an insensitive comment about employees' children imagine taking your kids to the zoo and they see this happen to a jury after. everyone who hears about this story is shocked, disgusted. specially our guests, the famous jack hannah. we are speaking to him next.

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at. nothing wrong with the jury after. perfectly healthy. zoo coopers called him marius. they killed him because he had almost the same genes as other giraffes in the zoo. it didn't work for the breeding plan that they had. why did they insist they had to kill the animal at all and why on earth would they do it in such a fashion with an audience and let children see this jury after get ripped apart. >> so we are joined now by jack hanna. you know who he is. the host of jack hannah into the wild. i have to say, this seems so incredibly outrageous, killing a healthy jury aftgiraffe. doing it in front of kids. what possible justification could there be? >> i have been doing this for 40 years. i was up until 2:00 in the morning and i'm a pretty fun-going person. this is the most ab bomb inable,

insensitive, ridiculous thing i have heard of. they talk about genetics. let say there was nothing wrong with him. they had too many of them. why, number one, did they keep breeding animals. that's number one. number two, i don't care if the european associates of zoos, the american association of zoos, the columbus zoo in columbus, ohio, would never, ever do anything like this even if the animal had an impure gene. yes, we do have problem with overpopulation in our zoos. what do you do? you find a home for it. right now, i and the columbus zoo, if i had to sell something, i'm not just saying this to be patted on the back. if i had to sell anything i have to get the $100,000 to ship him over to our country and put him in the zoo, i would have room or room on my montana 40 acres. nothing was wrong with the animal. let's say something was wrong with it. that's up to them what they want to do with the jury after but

for them to shoot it and cut it up in front of people. i kept myself away from them. what in the world is going on. someone did this. someone said, is hitler running the animal world in europe? i did not say that. i'm not saying that. i'm just saying, yes, these are animals. a beautiful creature that represents a beautiful animal. they are trying to teach young people about why we have zoo logical parks. what does this teach you? >> i can hear the anger. so many people echo your sentiments. we have seen a lot of re, aand outcry, twitter, online. they can't believe this was done at all and the fact that they did it with an audience and in front of children. there was one comment. they said they did this as sort of a teaching lesson. do you see there is any aspect of this that could have been viewed as educational?

>> not that at all. >> i don't see any education in it number one. someone said to me this morning, called me up and said, jack, sometimes they eat hamburger but that's human. the point is, i don't get involved in that. the point is, educationwise in the zoo, i see in whatsoever. is that what we do with our excess animals? my answer is no. we have a place in the wild. we have offered these to people hoff an overpopulation of animals to bring them out to us. educationwise, look at my show on tv, we show the hunt only one time. that was my mistake. we showed a cheetah on the hunt, the takedown. i know it is natural. i have seen all kinds of hunts when the final thing takes place. one thing, we have families watching our show. yesterday, they see the last part of it.

only one time it was partially consumed by a cheetah. that was my fault. not because i am not trying to show you something natural in nature. i don't need to have some two and three and 6-year-old which cannot understand at that age. they don't understand nature. they haven't been to africa. that's what we do at the zoos, try to educate people at the zoos of what happens in the wild. we are trying to teach them. they are not from the zoos. they are from the wild. i take my veterinarian over there and get the sperm and egg from the animal and bring it back. they have to cull certain animals to get help with that gene pool too. >> jack, obviously, you feel very strongly about this. we understand. we know the work you have done to educate people. we are very passionate. >> i'm sorry i have to be this way. >> we want you to tell us how you are feeling. thanks so much for joining us. >> you can hear it in his voice. was something lost in

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aol employees did not like the company's recent change to their 401(k) plans. matching contributions will be made at the end of the year, rather than with each pay period. less popular was how aol ceo care explained this. he referred to babies as distressed babies. >> well, you can imagine outrage ensued. then, armstrong apologized and aou reversed the policy change. one och the mothers whose children armstrong referred to spoke to nbc about the comments. >> it was hard to hear him

talking about my daughter, to hear her labeled a distressed baby. to me, it did sound like the implication that somehow we were greedy consumers of health care benefits, that we had gobbled up more than our share of the pie. >> that mother, that's deanna fei, wrote a really moving and compelling article for slate.com saying he, armstrong, exposed the most searing experience of our lives for no other than than for absurd cost-cutting. >> tim armstrong is a ceo of a company that a lot of people would be surprised still exists, america on line. for distressed babies and for firing a guy snapping photos in a company meeting. this is bad press. >> an interesting disconnect that we have seen before between corporate ceos and real people. this woman was the face of the

situation that was very painful to her. they almost lost their baby. >> this is why you get health insurance. deanna fei will join erin brunette tonight. to another discuss. a lot of people are having around water coolers everywhere. that very public battle between woody allen ad his adopted daughter, dylan farrow, who claims he sexually molested her more than 20 years ago. it is very difficult to watch no matter whose side you believe. >> in an op ed yesterday, the director, woody allen, he defended himself. he blamed mia farrow for turning dylan against him as retribution after their relationship broke up. >> not that i doubt dylan hasn't come to believe she has been molested but if from the age of 7 a vulnerable child is taught by a strong mother to hate her father because he is a monster who abused her, it so

unconceivable that after many years, the image of mimi ya mia to establish had taken root. >> dylan wrote, once again, woody allen is attacking me and my family to discredit and silence me but nothing he says or writes can change the truth. >> we are joined by kelly wallace and psychologist, jeff gardere. kelly, this is a mess. we are seeing dysfunction being played out here at a level i have never seen before. what are we supposed to take from this? >> it is hard to know what to take. it is very, very sad. you have a young woman, who is coming forward and saying that she was sexually assaulted as a 7-year-old and saying this has permanently impacted her life. as a mother of children, we all want to take any allegation like that seriously. on the other hand, you have a man, woody allen, who is saying he has been falsely accused and that mia pharaoh has been brain

washing his child for two decades now. the thing is, we don't know what to make of it, because we don't have certainty here. we don't know exactly where the right answer is and what the wrong answer is. >> it is the ultimate he said, she said. our job as society is to protect victims. our jobs as journalists is to uncover the truth. it also seems like the truth is incredible elusive here. here, on the one hand, you have woody allen who says mia really hated him. let's see. did you give her any reason to? you went ahead and married her daughter. so i think anyone might hate you for that. on the other hand, you have dylan, who said, yeah, he abused me. he did this to me. but, a lot of people are saying, perhaps she has false memories. it is because of that marriage that woody had with sun ye that she may have turned her head in that way.

at this point, even if woody allen were innocent, he did things that were crossing the boundaries within that family, is it unconceivable he could do it again, once you go ahead and accuse someone of sexual abuse, whether they did it or not, people keep that taint on them forever. >> i was thinking about this notion of family. we all know how complicated and we love them to death. family is complicated. we've seen family feuds last decades. >> we are watching this one play out in front of us. >> in front of us right now. and, there is family that believe each side of each story. >> kelly, i keep on being left with this question. what am i supposed to do now as a movie fan? that seems like a trite thing. look, you are a mom. what do you say to your kids when they are old enough to understand this? how would you tell your kids what went on here when they are in high school? >> we have been planning a piece for cnn.com in light of not necessarily taking sides but in continuing the conversation.

your private parts are private. if anyone ever does anything that feels wrong and inappropriate anyway, speak up. too acoften, too often, kids dot speak up. she said she is coming forward to protect other victims that might be afraid. if victims watch this back and forth and this mean-spirited thing that goes on, why on earth would i go forward? >> we give unconditional positive regard to our patients who say they have been sexually abused. there is also a legal component to it as to whether, factually, it happened. dylan does need the help whether it happened or not. this has destroyed her life. to me, it doesn't make a difference. she needs help. >> appreciate you coming in. our next story, an all-american football star reveals he is gay. is the nfl ready for this?

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defensive player in the southeastern conference. he is expected to be picked somewhere in the middle rounds of the nfl draft in may. he is a big guy, 24 years old, 6'2", 260 pounds. he has guts of steel. he told espn he is going public because he wanted to own the truth. >> i told my teammates this past august that i came out to my teammates and they took it great. they rallied around me. they supported me. i couldn't have asked for better teammates. this is something that i've known for a while. this is, to me, just telling another person that, hey, i'm gay. it shouldn't be a big problem. >> joining us now from los angeles, a key player in this, cyd zeigler, co-founder of out sports.com, another leader, greg

l ouch louganis, the best diver of all times. i want to start with you, cyd, you have been speaking to michael sam for months. you helped him with the process of going public. how did it all unfold? >> let me be clear. i have been talking to his team for about three weeks. that's when this really started taking off. he wanted to live his truth. he hired a couple of agents who understood that, who had compassion for him and didn't try to tell him no. i think a lot of agents are the problem with athletes coming out. they don't want to risk their investment. these guys got it. they hired a publicist who got it, the best in the business, howard bragman. i have done coming outs with howard before. he kind of brought me in and together we crafted a plan of how to do this. >> greg, i want to talk to you

about this. he really wanted to be the driver in this. he wanted to come out with this story himself. he wanted to be the one that said, i am gay and not have somebody else do that for him. i'm thinking about you and the era you were active in sport, being gachlt tey. tell us about what a difference it must be from that time to now. >> it is a lotelely different time. i came out in '95 breaking the surface. we weren't quite sure how things were going to pan out. i had friends and family that were afraid for my safety. it was really liberated. i was able to speak my truth. we have had matthew mitchum come out, tom daley, about his sexual orientation and it was met

with -- it was really embraced. there was very little criticism. it is a huge thing when you are talking about a team sport. in a team sport, you need the support of your players. this is something that is so encouraging to hear michael say that he had the support of his team and his team was behind him, because you don't achieve greatness on your own and it is wonderful. it is great and it is commendable. i am so proud. we have come a long way. the true marker is going to be is he going to get those endorsements? get those sponsors. support this guy. >> well, he is getting a lot of support from high places right now, including from the first lady of the united states, michelle obama. let's read her tweet here. she says, you are an inspiration to all of us, mikesamfootball, his twitter name. we couldn't be prouder of your courage both on and off the

field. signed mo. that means michelle obama. michael says he wants to play football, pro football and he wants to be drafted and like every other player, he wants to be drafted high. there is a serious question now that since this news came out overnight that his draft stock has fallen. "sports illustrated" spoke to a number of those in nfl. cbssports.com has him listed lower than they did before. has he made his situation worse in terms of the nfl draft. >> that's ridiculous. these front office people that say that the team might be somehow harmed by him, too much of a distraction or media circus. every nfl team is trying to get to the biggest media circus in the word, the super bowl. if a front office executive cannot figure out how too keep the team focused around a few extra cameras and some questions

about someone's sexual orientation, they should resign. it is totally absurd that a front office executive would point to somebody's sexual orientation and say, that could unravel a team, that's the case. the team has the wrong leadership. i guarantee you. the new england patriots, new york giants, baltimore ravens, the san francisco 49ers, the model franchises, are not thinking that. >> they are making him regret the fact that he passed on him. >> he is a beast on the field and a leader. the guys speak in glowing terms when they talk about him. how far away do you think we are when we can just call michael sam a great football player and not an openly gay football player. >> what it is going to come down to is performance? >> as long as he is performing, the whole gay thing is going to go away and he is just going to be an athlete. >> i am looking forward to the

day we see these people just as people. your sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with your talent as an individual, whether you be a dancer, a diver, a football player, no matter what it is. >> the quarterbacks and running back why is the nfl are going to be ready to meet michael sam. they may be on their backs after he has tackled him. that is his ultimate goal. >> a whole other discuss to have is locker room. where you have to talk about the reality. right now, a lot of people are very excited about this and what it means and the headline and, of course, there are people that think this is too much and that they are not ready for this. we know that not everybody is in locks up about this. the locker room reality is going to be like this. >> he has been playing for a full year with one of the best teams in the country here. we know it can work and it can work in the nfl too. 38 minutes after the hour, several years ago, the woman sitting next to me set out on a

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sometimes in life, we search for something and end up finding something better. that happened on an amazing scale for the person next to me. michaela wrote a piece in "essence" magazine about searching for her biological father. so much of who i am on the outside, my skin color, eye color and hair is because of my father. my identity is inextricably tied to a man i do not know. this is a touching, touching piece. >> thank you, john. >> i want to talk about this search for your father. why was it so important to you to find out who he was?

>> it is really interesting. my family is full of adopted kids. my parents, doug and ainsley thompson adopted five little girls in the '70s. it has been a big part. there we are. horrible picture but there we are. you can look at us and know that we obviously knew that we were different. i always sensed that growing up. i decided to look into my family in my 20s. i realized we were much like a tree. while the tree outside of the ground may be very healthful and strong and growing upwards. the root system beneath the ground if it is not stable and strong, it threatens the integrity of the tree. so i decided to hear my history. >> so often we hear these stories and people have reconnections. they develop a life-long relationship with their birth parents. >> this didn't happen here? >> no. >> you reached out to your father and got nothing in

return. >> adopted kids deal with rejection. i have that issue. i have rejection issues all day long. i actually reached out to find anybody. i found out a year and a week too late that my birth mom had died following a six-year battle with colon cancer. in that devastating dark cloud, i found a wonderful silver lining in the form of a half sister i didn't know i have. i have a new sister in my family. that's her. her name is barney. don't we look like twins? we have the same nose. she lives on the outside of toronto. it has been wonderful to get to know her. she helped me realize i need to look into the potential of finding my birth father. he is not open to that. that was a whole series of painful realizations for me. >> you took a positive lesson from that. you said, i've come to a new understanding. maybe god is protecting me from an unhealthy relationship. you always look to make lemon

aid out of lemons. my parents, who i have to credit with this. can i show a picture of then? >> doug and ainsley are the most amazing human beings. they were brad and angelina before brad and angelina. they gave the five of us, who were by society standards, throwaway kids a new opportunity and i love those people beyond measure. >> i have never heard human beings speak of their parents as much as michaela pereira does. >> they are truly the most amazing people. they are the reason i can sit here and talk about this, because we have to shine a light on it for all the kids out there who, like me, they need the support. >> we should all be as blessed and lucky as you. >> i feel ridiculously blessed. >> when we come back, poolside at the beverly hilton hotel ahead of today's big oscar lunches. more than 150 nominees will attend. they are not the only ones. our nischelle turner is there.

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the one and only, congratulations, you guys. i tweeted this earlier this morning. i said, like, peanut and butter, like peas and carrots and ham and burger. two great things that go great together. i love it. congratulations on the new show. and you're right, you know, the class photo, it's kind of the who's who of hollywood, when you see it all together, does take your breath away, wow, all of these people together in one room. i have to tell you all something, because i am poolside here at the beverly hilton. i didn't really want to do this shot with you all today. >> no, you wanted to drink a martini. >> there is a reason. well, no, because i didn't want jeff zucker to know i'm stealing money from cnn today, being

poolside at the bevell beverly hilton. we're here early. you see they're just starting to set up, because the oscar luncheon itself doesn't start well until lunch time, still before 9:00 in the morning here in los angeles. so what happens is, you have every star and every third hand to the second assistant that are nominated for an academy award. they all come together for this lunch of if he oweship with each other. you get to know people you might not know in hollywood, that you've nephew met. it's definitely -- i know, it's the chance that the biggest a-list actor could meet the second assistant on a movie. it's really kind of cool. and all the big celebrities will be here today. think of somebody, just think of anybody who is nominated for an as core. >> meryl streep. >> yep, they'll be here. >> there you go, sear? >> martin scorsese. leonardo dicaprio. will they be chitchatting?

what's got the biggest buzz right now? >> well, that's a good question. i don't know if it's so much campaigning, this is the friendly fire day. you just get together and hang. so there's not a lot of that going on. but, you know, they come down, and i stand here and i wave at people like please come talk to me, and we do nice sit-downs and talk about everything, the movies, the careers and all of that good stuff. it's a chance for them to really kind of celebrate their accomplishment. it's one of those type of days. it's just a fun day. it's a good day. there's really not any issues that go on at the luncheon. >> yeah, yeah. and it's warm, and it's los angeles. and your poolside. >> go back to the pool. >> she is going to have a banana split beside the pool. >> how much would you give me if i just ran and cannonballed. >> i would give you $1,000 if you do that right now. >> nichelle, this is going to be great. and we're going to be watching these oscars, coverage for you

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all right. in new york today, it is the world-famous westminster dog show. and with that, i would like to shine the spotlight on a serious matter that requires national attention. and frankly, a healthy dose of cable outrage. this is the situation. you know what dog is the most popular in america for the 23rd straight year? >> the labradoodle. >> no, the lab. the chocolate lab, black lab, yellow lab. america loves our labradors. golden retrievers, too, fourth-most popular. they fetch stuff, they farm, they hunt, they bark, they wag their tails. dogs with a capital d. >> i hear your outrage. >> you know what dog has never won best in show? the lab! the lab has never won. the golden neither. no retriever, not once, not

ever. instead, they award scottish terriers, this terrier, that terri terrier. often pincher, peek aniece, even a bichons freese. these animals are cute, sure. they fit nicely on your lap, absolutely. but where i come from, we have a name for cute animals that fit on your lap. >> oh-oh. >> where i come from, we call them cats. and this is the westminster dog show. so at this hour, i call on westminster to end this outrage, allow labs and goldens, not just in the public square, but in the winners' circle. thebd war on labs. >> preach it, brother. >> thank you. >> feel better? >> look, i want the show to do well. that's "cable outrage." >> can you get outraged every day? >> i can work on it. not sure if i can get that mad.

we can't thank you enough for watching the very first "at this hour" with berman and mckayla. >> in all serious, everyone calls you berman. >> my wife calls me ber mapp. >> so that's why it's called "at this hour" with berman and mckayla. i don't recognize myself as a perei pereira. you're berman. >> we figured if they said with berman and michaela, it would be hard for them to find replacements for us. >> you know what? you might have something. boom. >> we got it. you better now? >> cuomo filling in. can't be berman. >> ooh, you touched on a sensitive subject. if you want to connect on facebook, see how i averted disaster? please do. it is facebook.com/atthishour. this has been really great. thank you so much for joining us right here "at this hour" with berman and michaela. >> "legal view" with ashleigh

>> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, everyone, and welcome. we are in jacksonville, florida, live at the case of michael dunn. and you've been watching this for the last several days. this is day four of testimony in a case that has not only this community watching very closely, but the rest of america watching closely, as well, because, of course, there are so many parallels that bring us back to the memories of the trayvon martin case, and the stories of race and the stories of stand your ground. that may not be the official defense, but it is certainly the undertone at this courthouse today. so as we look into what's been happening at the duval county courthouse, one of the most critical issues has been the testimony today, the medical examiner, currently on the stand, and talking about the specifics about how that young man died that night. the specifics matter, because there are