has never felt richer. >> some people never figure out their purpose. i figured out from a little dog. >> tom forman, cnn. >> a nice story indeed. i will be back at 5:00 p.m. in "the situation room." newsroom continues right now with brooke baldwin. >> wolf blitzer, thank you very much. happy monday to you will of you. we begin this hour with a trial under way in jacksonville florida lot of his life and unarmed and shot all over a dispute rather loud music. the man accused of pulling the trigger can take the stand at any moment. i can tell you that the state of florida rested its case. this is day four. michael dun faces a first-degree murder charge and three counts of attempted first-degree murder. the gentlemen here on the stand is one of the workers at the gas

station where this took place in november of 2012. what is clear is this. he shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis at this gas station parking lot on black friday in 2012. what's in question, were his actions lawful and justified because he feared for his life. today it's all about the details. the defendant's gun and the bullet holes in his clothing and a trajectory of the bullets came into play. >> when we look at the shots of the door, you can think of the body now either if i'm sitting in a passenger compartment, i have a door here and a seat behind me and i have a seat in front of me. i might try to flee by going like that and i shifted my body forward and a little bit down. it starts to lift my thigh up and as two bullets come in.

we can have a bullet coming in and going across the left thigh. perhaps as i start to fall or tip over, we have another bullet that comes in and enters what we think of as traditionally the back. in this case it's just coming in and doing what we have seen coming in and heading horizontal horizontally. if you are asking in respect to whether he could be standing up as opposed to being seated in the vehicle, if you are going to pose to me that he was, present me with information and i will look at that information and tell you whether or not i feel it's plausible. i feel the information is plausible. >> you were never given information by the state or law enforcement that he was outside the vehicle. is that true? >> i was never given any information that would allow me to make a determination that he was outside. >> the simple answer to my question was yes, you have never been given that information? >> that's correct. >> thank you.

now, if somebody lifts their leg up and i'm going to -- i will move. thank you, judge. if i move, dr. simmons, if i lift my right leg up like this, am i looking like i'm in a seated anatomical position. my right leg is up and is up, it looks like i'm seated. >> sure, sure. >> that is part of what happened today. ashleigh banfield is outside of that courthouse in jacksonville, florida. criminal defense attorney joins me now. let me begin with you. you have the testimony that is riveting and disturbing for those jurors in the courtroom. we have the fact that the state rested that told me that this is moving along and it clicked. now the fact that michael dun himself could take the stand. i top the begin. i saw you earlier and the defense attorney said he has to. >> yeah.

look, this is a very difficult sell. i don't want to say who the jury is. it's a tough sell to anybody. unless he's going to be his own best defense witness, it's a little hard to get your friends to get up on the witness stand and say he's a-got a reputation for peacefulness and has a calm demeanor. that doesn't matter. we can all pop off. we can't get character witnesses up there. we have to give the jury some meat and potatoes. unless michael dun gets up there and convinces this jury why he feared for his life, that's where the law comes in in his head. was he in fear for his life. in his head. he's the only guy who can really tell you if that was true or not. >> kirby, as a defense attorney, how would you recommend if you were so to choose to put this

defendant on the stand, the details coming out that the nine bullet holes in the dodge durango and it wasn't rapid succession and a long pause which is not good for the defendant in this case. what does he need to do. >> he will have to show remorse and he's sorry that this happened. if he comes across that i did it and i had to do it and he seems proud of it, the jury is not going to like that. he will have to show remorse and get them to feel the fear that he felt or claims he felt and show them why it's reasonable. if the jury doesn't think his fear was reasonable, they are going to find him guilty. >> jane velez mitchell, you are joining us as well from our sister network, hln. we have been talking about what michael dun would need to say number one being expressing remorse for the killing. here's what else i want to know. we are learning about the

jureors themselves. as this case has been compared and there similarities, but vast differences as well to the george zimmerman trial, unlike that trial in sanford, there a number of african-americans sitting in that jury box. >> i certainly feel that these jurors will put aside all of their personal biases and opinions and make the right decision. i have tremendous respect for juries. they do an incredible job. my question is the prosecution in this case. the same team that lot of the george zimmerman case. they elected to rest without playing the interrogation tape of the defendant as a strategic move undoubt leed to try to force michael dun to take the witness stand. he may very well take the witness stand any second now. it's not a plea. everyone said casey anthony in had to and she didn't. i got this case. i understood this case after watching the interrogation tape.

the detective dos a brilliant job of highlighting the inconsistencie inconsistencies, pointing out at first, they will shoot me and he said well, it was a battle or maybe a stick how he claimed it. he's getting out to attack me and they show he wasn't getting out. so i don't know that the prosecution this this case is going to be able to do a better job of exposing the problems with michael dunn's story than the detectives did when they interrogated him the first time around. i just want to say, brooke, he had a long time to come up and rehearse his answers. he has a brilliant and aggressive defense attorney. i think they should have played it. >> let me hit pause. we top the dip in and remind you this is day four of the trial and this is a worker at the gas station where the killing took place in november of 2012. the defense is up. take a listen. >> i'm walking out facing the

pumps. >> you are walking out. >> yes. >> i know you stated multiple time that you had not had a chance to review the surveillance tape. >> connect. >> would reviewing that refresh your memory? >> it may. >> the state is going to be publishing state's exhibit 168 for him. >> all right.

>> ashleigh banfield, we will stay on the picture, but let me bring your voice in. can you give me context? what are we watching? >> i want to tell you about something that happened that could be a game change. when you heard the character witnesses and he said he was a good guy and peaceful, that could have opened the door for evidence. we have not seen it and heard it. this is the jail house letters that michael dun wrote. i want to read a portion of it for you. you will see how damaging it will be. if this letter gets into this trial. this jail is full of blacks and they act like thugs. this may sound radical, but if more people would arm themselves and kill these expletivity lotis when they threaten you, they may

take the hint and change their behavior. that is the kind of thing the defense attorney loses his breath over. if this lawyer is questioning the witness about the character of the defendant, open the door for other character evidence to come in. really, that could be a huge game change. it could be game over and could be very, very problematic. >> kirby, how do you defend michael dunn's behavior after the shooting driving with his fiance and driving the several hours the next day back home. the letter that was just read. >> as a defense lawyer, you have to take the hand you are dealt. my client may have said boneheaded things as far as the letters are concerned, but he may have done things you may not agree with and we may not ask you to make friends with him, but he was justified in what he did. you have to take the bull by the horns and not cute it up. it is what it is. at the end of the day, the

question is, was he reasonable? that will be a tough uphill battle since he used the same words that he used in reference to the victim before he shot him. that's the thug music which is what he said. >> thank you both very, very much to all three of you. we will of course come back presidentical periodically if and when he takes the stand. a college football star could be the first openly gay player in the nfl, but apparently that's not going-over well with folks who run certain teams. hear what gms fear could happen in the locker room. why the heck did a zoo kill this healthy giraffe and cut up itself body, feed it to lions and look at the kids in the audience. they are watching. they are taking pictures. why? i will speak live with the man in charge. i'm randy, and i quit smoking with chantix.

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. he just wrapped up his career as one of the best players and one of the best conferences. michael wants the world to know he is more than just a great football player. he is a proud gay man. >> i was attracted to guys. growing up i didn't know if it was a phase. i wanted to find who i was and make sure i knew what was comfortable. i didn't tell anyone. >> sam is all but certain to be the first openly gay nfl player. the challenge is more complicated. locker rooms, plenty of fans are not known for tolerance.

here's what one executive told them. let me read this. in the coming decade or two, it will be acceptable, but at this point in time, it's a man's man game. to call somebody a [ bleep ] is still so common place. it's not locker room and meeting room. >> let's talk about it on and off the field. he is a former nfl player. sarah, thank you for being with me. >> aloha and thank you for having me on. this is exciting news and exciting times. >> you came out when your playing days were over. you are excited for michael sam and what else were you thinking when you heard the story? >> you know, what i was thinking is this is what everybody has been waiting for. they have been waiting for a star college athlete to come up to the ranks or a superstar nfl athlete to come out to the nfl.

exactly what i was thinking about and i went to how brave this young man is and where he stands up and tells the world who he is. this will give people -- what he is doing is he wants people to judge him for his ability to play football and not judge him by who he decides to give his heart to. it's exciting times and i am glad that i'm alive to see this. >> a lot of people agree with you. you have the draft coming up. some folks say this is awesome for him. this scout did say this. this is going to drop him down. there is no question about it. it's human nature. do you want to be the team to "break that barrier " ? do you think this will help? think about it like this. it could provide positive pr or can hurt him because it's a distraction.

>> distraction. let's talk about distraction. he was out with his football team at missouri. there was no distraction. >> it didn't leak, that's the difference. >> here still got support of his teammates and friends. that is absolutely amazing. you have to add this on. as an athlete and all those who take professional football. we understand what it takes to get to that position and what it takes to get to that -- where michael is. the dedication that that kid has given himself and to put him at the place where he was at is amazing. no one can take that away. >> be real. do you think it will affect him being drafted and do you think he will be drafted later because of what he is doing? >> regardless of if he is drafted number one or drafted in the later rounds, it doesn't matter to me.

all i know is this kid is good enough to play with the big boys. now he is putting it in the nfl's court. the nfl stance has been we will wait until something happens. it's happening now and you need to implement something for the players playing in the nfl and in college that are coming up to the ranks. we are living in different times. people need to jump on the wave of equality and acceptance. >> not everyone is jumping on. if only everyone could be as accepting as colleagues and teammates and everyone at mizoo. what about the fans? that's my last question. do you think american fans in 2014 are ready for this? >> i do. i really believe that in today's society the fans are ready. that's due because of the last decade of the education we have been putting out for people to learn about who we are as a

community and who we are as a jail between communities. i think they are ready for this and just to say, whatever team picks him is going to get that 10% that no one has. they are going to get support of the gay community and their friends and their colleagues and everyone else that is out there. whoever picks him will definitely flourish, but not only that. they'll get a great athlete. he has proven that. you can see it from the stats. >> thank you very much. by the way, let me remind the viewers we will be talking to his agent at the top of the next hour to get in on the inside of how michael is feeling right now and what's next. all those emotions. thank you very much. is there a design flaw in the world trade center tower? beautiful piece of architecture. look at this. here's the thing, shards are ice are falling more than 1,000 feet. people on the ground are raising

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tower. there was ice everywhere and a little bit of sun and wind and these sheets of ice were falling on the ground all over the city. just because we had the ice storm coming in and blowing off. things were coming down and even the path train station down below had to be closed for a while. people couldn't leave the subway stations because the ice was falling too big. what they believe was possibly happening here is that it's the angle of the building so much that it's something else. this is an unfinished picture. this here, this system here, this triangle right here where the ice was building here and here and sliding straight to the ground. >> i have to pull away for a moment. we have been watching this trial out of jacksonville. i will come back to you. we wanted to listen to this. this is ronald davis, the father of 17-year-old jordan davis who was shot and ultimately killed in november of 2012 over this dispute over loud music. this man is on trial for first-degree murder. let's listen.

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. >> bottom of the hour, the man on your screen lot of his son in november of 2012. his son was 17-year-old jordan davis. he was shot and killed at this gas station over the dispute over loud music and the defendant here on trial is the man, a little aged white man named michael dunn. we are watching a side bar conversation right now with attorneys talking. you can't hear sound.

ashleigh banfield is covering it from florida. the father here, ronald davis has not been on the stand for too long, correct? >> no. just got up on the stand and he was able able to get his name and spelling out to the court stenographer before they went to side bar. what we are about to hear, what i think we are about to hear is he spoke with the three surviving teenagers after his son died. their stories were somewhat varied. i think this is what the defense wants to be able to elicit in deposition. you did hear before you went to break there was question about his deposition and having given a deposition. listen, if there is any room for a hostile witness, it would be the man who they say is the defense attorney. this will be the kind of dynamic that plays out in the courtroom.

what some hinge on. >> i know you are there for this, but let's take a listen for this. >> they came up with the house and they talk to me about they were sorry and those facts is what they talked about. they didn't talk about the facts surrounding his death and the fact that my son was shot and killed is what they said to me. >> mr. davis, again, do you recall taking a deposition? >> yes, i do. >> on november 21st, 2013. >> i'm not sure of the date, but i remember taking a deposition with you. >> do you recall taking an oath to tell the truth like you did today? >> absolutely. >> do you recall on page 20 lines 13 through --

>> now we are doing a proper impeachme impeachment. he is trying to impeach him based on the answers in this case. overruled. >> do you recall giving the answer they were trying to tell me what they were trying to say. i think they were all in shock because what one was saying the other was saying? >> [inaudible]. >> that's why i'm sure we are about to have a copy of the deposition before we do these things. i understand the situation. ladies and gentlemen, we will take five minutes. step into the jury room and will get a copy of the deposition. we'll be right back. >> here we have it looks like they are taking a five-minute break. talk about stop and start, stop and start.

you have this father. what's happening? >> i'm in a bit of a disadvantage. i want to give you full disclaimer. the feed from the courthouse is not pristine and i'm having a very difficult time make out what's being said. they were looking for a copy of the deposition. >> i heard a lawyer's voice saying they were frustrated or they wish they had seen it before this man testifies. >> listen, we should -- everybody should have their hands on the deposition by now. for heaven's sake, we had lots of time for discovery. crazier things have happened. i may have been on the right track here, brooke. this defense attorney wants to elicit from the father of the victim. even he department get the same stories from the three teenagers in the car. it's critical because they are the only surviving witnesses. jordan davis can't tell his story.

michael davis would be considered by some to be a biased witness. the others were more like ear witnesses than anything else. this would be critical to the defense attorney and the admissibility would be critical obviously to the state. >> we will come back and jacksonville, florida. coming up here, a zoo killed a healthy giraffe and feeds its remains to the lions in front of little children. why in the world did they do this? we will talk to the man in charge of the zoo, next. ♪ we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? $500,000. maybe half-million. say a million dollars. [ dan ] then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. ♪ i was trying to like pull it a little further. you know, i was trying to stretch it a little bit more. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. [ man ] i looked around at everybody else

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. a day at the zoo turned into a very graphic show and tell in denmark. the carcass of a baby giraffe was fed to lions and cougars in frond of zoo attendees including little bitty children. the images for this story are

graphic, but we have to show them to you to tell the whole story. the 18 month old was healthy, about but according to the officials, the animal had to be euthanized because of laws on inbreeding. this giraffe shared too many similar genes with other giraffes at the zoo. this killing sparked a social media outrage. there was an online petition. i want to you listen to this. this veterinarian explained to the audience. >> this giraffe walked out at quarter past 9 and then there was a zookeeper with rye bread and he said here you go. here is rye bread. i stood behind with a rifle and when he ate the bread, i shot him through the brain. he had no idea of what was coming. he got his bread and he died. i think it's very important. it's about how this has taken

place. >> this is the specific director at the copenhagen zoo. he joins me now. first, let me begin with how the zoo killed this giraffe. shot it instead of lethal injection. me why. >> if we shoot it we can feed it to them. if it's an injection, we cannot feed it to kidnap. we have to dispose of the meat or throw it away. that would be crazy. >> but the choice to then pull out this massive knife and cut it up piece by piece and feed it to the lions in front of children. why do that? >> because i think it's important that we educate our kids and the adults also. we have to do this anyway. we can't keep it in the closed zoo.

that's to invite people to see this autopsy and to explain what they see. all we know it's the water inside. the heart is huge. the blood up to the head two meters up. you can educate and tell this to the people and it's fascinating. it's not by accident the people came by. they were invited to go behind the scenes. they wanted to see this carried out. >> i know this was voluntary and there was interest and the parents wanted them to be there. i understand you say educational, but i was listening to this interview earlier today with one of the most respected wildlife experts. jack hannah. he does not agree. take a listen. >> i'm a pretty fun going person, but this is the most

abominable ridiculous thing i have heard of. >> abominable and insensitive. tell what you are teaching these kids as they are w5u67ing pieces of a giraffe being eaten. >> this is what the kids see that drag their papers to this place. this unique opportunity to show the giraffe inside. when will they be able to show this? it's not bad to show kids how the real nature s. they will be careful not make nature introduce that here. they always read, et cetera, etc. this is the real thing. when we then feed it to the lion afterwar afterwards, this is with a horse or a cow. they have to get the meat. now we can feed them a giraffe.

i don't see any problem with it. this is happening as well. the kids need to see what the real world is. it's not harmful. it's what they need to know about. >> it was the real world at the copenhagen zoo. thank you for explaining the zoo's perspective. i am curious to all of you watching, do you feel this is educational or inhumane? let's get back to the first-degree murder trial in jacksonville, florida. this is the father of the victim taking the stand. >> were you able to make out any clear statements about what happened? >> the reason i couldn't is because of my devastation. i couldn't make out. i knew the boys were so sorry that my son was killed. they were trying to console me. >> briefly, what was his demeanor like.

>> he was crying also. he usually has a big smile on his face. he was just crying. just crying. >> finally, mr. davis, what was tommy's demeanor like when he was at the house that day? >> i don't recall tommy coming the same day for some reason. i don't recall it. he could have been there. i don't recall it. i do recall him later on. >> your honor, i have no further questions. >> anything further? you may be excused. >> yes, sir. >> thank you, mr. davis. take a seat. next witness. >> quick break. will michael dunn himself take the stand? we'll be right back. go to angiet to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare.

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. >> i want to take you back to this trial in jacksonville, florida. the son of the man who is on trial for murder. chris dunn is describing his wedding that his father had just attended before all of this happened before his father shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis. take a listen. >> your father? >> yes, it is. >> who is the lovely lady? >> that's my mom. >> your biological mom and dad? >> yes. >> they are exes? >> uh-huh. >> how is that relationship between your father and mother?

>> objection. >> sustained. >> was there anger or animosity? >> no. they were getting along fine. >> your parents have been divorced for a long time? >> yes, they have. >> at any time did you see your dad pounding alcohol or drinking out of control >> no. >> did you have conversations with your father that day. >> yes, i did. >> was that before alcohol was served at the wedding? >> yes. >> did you have conversations with your father after alcohol was served? >> yes. >> did you notice any change in his speech? was he slurring or anything like that? >> not at all. >> did he have a strong odor of alcohol on his breath? >> no. >> bloodshot or watery eyes? >> no. >> did you have concerns about your father being impaired? >> no. >> did he embarrass you because he was drunk or anything? >> no. none at all. did your father leave? >> no.

>> he didn't leave. >> i meant to go home. at what point did your dad say goodbye at your wedding to leave? >> we made plans to meet up the day after. >> that was with his fiance? >> your new bride? >> was that in august? >> yes. >> don't give me your address, but where do you live? judge jacksonville? >> yes, i do. >> for you to go there was not that far? >> no. >> did your dad appear to be happy when he left? >> he was in a very good mood. >> did he leave upset because of the music you were playing? >> no. >> was he upset at the guests you invited? >> no. >> did you have concern about your dad driving away from the wedding? are. >> no. >> if you did, would you have told him not to or called a cab? >> yes.

>> state's 34, please. is that extended family? >> my sifter and my grandmother. >> all i watt to the far right, is that also your grandmother? your mom's mother? >> yes. >> can i have defense 35, please? is that just a close up of other people? >> yes. >> obviously even with a distant relationship with your dad, you included it with family photos and photos of the wedding party and friends. is that an accurate representation? is that a picture of the entire wedding party? >> that's all family. >> that are doesn't include friends? >> that was an all family photo. >> any animosity with family there because michael was at your wedding? >> none at all. >> nothing further.

>> mr. dunn, how many times had you seen your father, michael dunn in the last 15 years prior to your wedding? >> objection. irrelevance. >> overruled. >> how many times huh seen your father in the last 15 times prior to your wedding? >> three times. >> total? >> yes, ma'am. >> is it fair to say you didn't know your father very well? >> yes, it is. >> mr. dunn, you were the groom so you weren't with your father every minute of the wedding and the reception, were you? >> no, ma'am. >> did your father have your telephone number? >> yes. >> did miss rower? >> yes, ma'am. >> would you be willing to take a phone call from either saying between 8:00 p.m. the night of your wedding and midnight to take care of their dog if there was a kind of an emergency? >> objection. >> i'm asking what he would have been willing to do. >> overruled.

>> had you received a phone call from your father letting you know there had been an emergency and the dog had to be taken care of. would you have taken care of their puppy, charlie. >> yes, ma'am. >> were there other people at the wedding who would have done the same? >> i can't speak for anybody else. >> all right. did you receive phone calls from your father or rhonda asking to you assist them between the hours of 8:00 and midnight? >> no, ma'am. >> at 8:00? >> no, ma'am. >> how about between the hours of 8:00 and noon? any phone calls from your father or rhonda? >> no, ma'am. >> very briefly. mr. dunn, was that the first time you had met rhonda at your wedding? >> yes.

>> did you know her and know anything about her other than what you met that night? >> no. >> may he be excused? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you, you are excused. >> next witness. >> quickly, that was michael dunn's son. he had only seen his father three times in the last 15 years. the day his father shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis, but that was a little bit about the color at the wedding and whether or not his father could have been drinking too much and intoxicated. we are following this first-degree murder trial out of florida, keeping a close eye on it. we want to talk about hillary clinton. it turns out hillary clinton had choice words for monica lewinsky after learning her husband, president clinton had had an affair with the white house intern. according to notes taken by a close personal friend, the first lady called monica lewinsky a loony toon. she also assigned some of the blame for what happened to

herself. we will talk about this with a reporter from the washington free beacon and juror gloria bo. alana, to you first. this is all coming from the notes from this woman by the name of diane blair. let me begin there. alana, who was diane blair and how did you find yourself in arkansas flipping through her papers? >> diane blair was a close friend of hillary clinton. she called her one of her closest friends from the 1970s until when diane passed away in 2000. jake tapper wrote about this existence of an archive of player's files which included accounts of contemporaneous conversations with hillary clinton, letters and memos and things. they reported on this in 2007. it is not open to the public at the time. i went back and checked to see

if it was open and saw it opened in 2010. went down to arkansas. honestly didn't think there would be much there. i feel like so much of the clintons's especially 1990 stuff has been picked over by reporters, but went down and surprisingly there were interesting things there. >> surprise, surprise. gloria borger, you remember the lewinsky scandal well. >> i do. 16 years ago. >> let me quote from the papers here. we have the fact that hillary is not trying to excuse bill. she is not taking responsibility for it. then we have this. hillary thinks she was not smart enough or sensitive enough or free enough of his own concerns to realize the price bill clinton was playing. does that surprise you that hillary clinton took the blame herself? >> i find it interesting as a woman. first of all hillary clinton was

shouldering the blame for some of this herself. i think that's what women do. i think when you look at how hillary clinton defended her husband after the lewinsky mess where she was talking about the right wing experience, it makes sense that she was privately saying you know what, i didn't realize the toll his detractors were taking on him. that may be part of the reason she came out swinging after all of this. i think it explains a little bit more about what she was feeling at the time. do i find any of this surprising? not really. >> we are talking about also because we are hearing bill clinton and monica lewinsky's names thrown around in part because of this. >> anybody wants to take money from bill clinton or have a

fund-raiser has a lot of explaining to do. i think they should give the money back. if they want to take a position on women's rights, by all means do, but you can't do it and take it from a guy who was using his position of authority to take advantage of yuj womoung women workplace. >> rand paul thinking about a presidential run and perhaps against hillary clinton. why is he talking about bill clinton and monica lewinsky here? >> i talked to somebody close to rand paul and the explanation is pretty simple. number one, they look at bill and hillary clinton as a team. they understand how effective he is not only as a partisan for hillary clinton, but a democratic fund-raiser. they want the brand to be somebody who can go at the clintons and that's a plural. you are trying to distinguish yourself as a presidential field and play to the base of the party, from their point of view

it's good politics. this is playing with a base of the party. jack tapper's reportering, they go out there and what else did you find? >> i thought one of the most interesting things we found was the conversation between blair and hillary on monica lewinsky. that happened days after president clinton had admitted to the affair. it's interesting because there so few accounts of what hillary was thinking. it was a very difficult time for her. she was doing a lot of thinking about it and had to make hard choices. how candid she is talking about monica. narcissistic loony toon is the word that diane quotes her to

describe monic a defending bill and all of that. i thought that was very interesting. >> alana goodman, i guess you are glad you hopped on a plane and found what you did. gloria borger, as always, thank you. >> another black teen who lot of his life at the state of florida who police say was unarmed. he was allegedly shot all over loud music. a man accused of pulling the trigger could take the stand at any moment. they arrested the case about three hours ago and moments ago the victim's father took the stand. michael dunn faces a first-degree murder charge and three counts of attempted first-degree murder. what is clear here is the fact that michael dunn shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis in november of 2012. among a myriad of issues, one is

this. were dunn's actions lawful and justified because he feared for his life? today it's been about the details and the friends of michael dun. family members. listen to the two exchanges with a witness, beverly berry. >> do you know or have a belief of his limitation for peacefulness? >> yes. >> what is that? >> never have i observed anything other than a very calm demeanor. >> at any of these special occasions did you play rap music? >> play rap music? >> yes, ma'am. >> no. >> were there young black teens at these special occasions? >> i object. i can approach. >> sure. >> joining me to discuss in jacksonville, let's begin with the witness who we saw most recently. 24-year-old chris dunn, son of michael dunn.

it was his wedding. where the father had been the day before he drove to the gas station where he shot and killed a 17-year-old young man. what was the importance of that testimony today? >> the defense attorney tried to put this witness on the stand to give us the state of mind at least whether this father had been drinking or was in a bad mood and went through the checklist, no, he didn't drink, he was not slurring and wasn't in a bad mood. there was no animosity. it was a wonderful event. even though the parents are divorced, this is chris dunn talking about his dad, michael. his mother long divorced and no animosity. sitting at the same tables and dancing with each other's family members. the defense attorney was trying to paint his client as an easygoing guy who didn't have amped up issues.

certainly not at this wedding. then came the cross-examination. it was possible. how many times have you seen your dad in the last 15 years? three. how well do you know him? not that well. if you wanted a character witness up there, that's tricky when you get a cross-examination that kicks it down to size. >> the defense is that it was self defense, but the big question of course and you are there watching whether or not michael dunn takes the stand. if you are a defense attorney and heard the details of the case should be. >> say that again? >> if you air defense attorney and you think the nitty-gritty of the case, do you think he should take the stand and what does he need to do when he does? >> that honestly is the toughest decision in any case. every single defense attorney i have ever spoken with that was faced with that decision, it really tore them apart. many of them do really truly

make that decision moments before. it's not a strategic thing. so many things happen all the way along the line. maybe the average joe doesn't understand. they can open the door for a disaster down the road. a lot of times taking the stand is not just because they want to get it off their chest or see you as a good guy. taking the stand can kill you because your client is not an expert and he may not know how far he can go before he does something that is detrimental to his case. there is always awesome cross-examination that shows you for who you might be. not saying that that's this case. that's always the really difficult decision. in this case, brooke, i don't know. the parade of witnesses is not helping me to get over the outrage i think a lot of people are feeling. they better come up with something better. >> maybe they put him on the stand and he hits that remorse home. i don't know if that will

happen. michael dunn facing first-degree murder and attempted murder because there were three other individuals in that car. we will keep a close eye on the trial and also bring in nancy grace about 15 minutes from now. she will react to the testimony we have seen today. . michael sam, quarterback and wins awards and led his team to 12 wins and to the cotton bowl. he wants you to know one more thing. he is gay. he poised himself to be the first openly gay player in nfl history. he said he is not going to let critics define them. here's what he told espn. >> how prepared are you for the things that people yell from the stand? >> i never -- this is from high school, junior high, high school and college. i never focus on what people say, the fans. i spend my entire focus on the

game. >> they can say very hateful things. >> i mean everyone can say hurtful and hateful things, but i don't let stuff like that distract me. >> michael sam is now out and facing so many questions beyond his skills on the field about the draft and his future teammates. so much else. this is michael sam's agent. welcome to the show. >> thank you so much for having me, brooke. >> you're welcome. i understand michael told his teammates last august and reading everyone one of the espn articles, he said he picked up the phone and called mom and dad last week to tell them. how did he tell you and when? >> he told me on january 10th. actually over the phone. he was first committed to another agent and him and i did not discuss his sexuality when i went to visit him in columbia. once he called me to tell me he

was unhappy with his first agent, he said joe, there is a conversation we need to have before i can talk to you about being my agent. he said i'm gay and i need to make sure you are okay with representing a gay player. >> what did you say? are. >> i said of course, mike. i read rumors online, but i didn't want to ask because i didn't find it appropriate. i'm not recruiting him as a gay football player. i was recruiting him as an athlete, a football player. his sexual orientation is none of my business and doesn't bother me at all. >> in that phone conversation and in the weeks leading up to the espn "new york times" interview, how did mike appear? was he nervous or excited or at peace with this? >> i think mike was ready to make the announcement based off of what happened the last few weeks. when we were down at the senior bowl, mike was getting a lot of

attention from reporters and we were getting a lot of attention from scouts and front office sernl abo about his sexuality. the reporters would say we are here for you whenever you want to tell your story. normally that means there is a story that they have ready to go and they are looking for a comment from mike. we were worried about mike's ability to tell the story his way of getting taken away from him. >> he said in this piece he wants to tell his story and now he has. what shocks me is that joe, he tells his team and players and coaches back in august. he didn't even tell them to keep it a secret, but it did not get out. why do you think that is? >> i find that remarkable and special as well. it shows you what a tight knit locker room they had and how professional they all were at missouri.

any one of the coaches or players could have said mike sam came out to us, but they didn't. i respect them all very much for that. >> looking ahead to may, looking ahead to the draft, what do you think in your gut this will do for his prospects? do you think it will cost him money or help or hurt him? >> i don't think it will hurt him at all. i think if anything teams will look at it and see a guy who was honest and up front instead of waiting until after the draft to potentially make his announcement and bring up questions of was he acting in a dishonest manner. he was forward and wants the team to accept him for who he is and not the other way around where once they draft him, they are forced to accept him. >> just being real. not everyone is accepting. you have this old guard culture within the nfl. linebacker jonathan of the

saints said i think a gay player would not be accepted as much as you think it would. engine he's the guy next to me and i get dressed naked and take a shower and it so happens he looks at me. how am i supposed to respond? i know michael addressed this in that espn interview, but tell everyone, what would he say to that? >> i think mike would actually it off. i don't think he would take it seriously. he's always going to have naysayers. regardless of what the situation is. people will always be trying to get in his head because of this. he's aware of that. mike is a mentally strong guy. he's a lot of fun to be around. i think the reaction from his missouri teammates as well, once he came out to them, they were showering together and it was a locker room atmosphere and everyone is proprofessional. even though mike is gay, he is not walking around acting as a

sexual predator. he happens to be gay and a football player. >> saying i am not a predator. thank you so much for coming on. many people will be following his story through may. thanks. >> thank you very much, brooke. >> coming up, why in the world did a zoo kill a healthy giraffe and cut up the body and feed it to the lions in front of children. i talked to the man in charge of this and we will play you his response, next. plus a man adrift for more than 13 months in the pacific ocean heads home and cnn was there as he boarded a plane way far away in the marshall islands. we are learning new details of the rescue. this guy drew pictures. we will explain how this spanish version of the kid show dora the explorer played a role in the whole thing. don't miss it. honestly? this deal was way too good to believe. instead of paying too much for an ipad, i got the surface 2. first of all, it comes with office and outlook. then, with free skype calls to phones in over 60 countries,

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. a danish zoo is being bombarded by backlash because it shows lions and cougars devouring the carcass of a baby giraffe that happened in front of spectators including little children. the images are graphic so you may want to turn away. this 18-month-old giraffe was healthy, but according to officials, this is the copenhagen zoo, the animal had

to be euthanized because of laws on inbreeding. they share too many similar genes. the killing did not happen in public sparked the outrage. i talked to the zoo's specific director they had a lot of questions for him and he said this is educational. >> we care to make the nature where animals are always alive and et cetera, etc. this is the real thing. when we then feed it to the lions afterwards, this is like we feed them a horse or a cow. now we can feed them a giraffe. i don't see any problem. it can happen in africa and copenhagen as well. this is what the real world is. this is what they need to know about. >> our interview went on longer than that.

if you want to hear the full defense, go on after the show. by the way, one of the most respected wildlife experts disagreed with what happened here. he said he found it the most abominable and insensitive and ridiculous thing he ever encountered. throughout the show we have been dipping into testimony in the trial of michael dunn, charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of a teenager and just a reminder he could take the stand at any time. his son, his ex-wife took the stand. jordan davis, 17-year-old jordan davis was shot and killed in november of 20 2we68 over a dispute over loud music in a gas station parking lot. nancy grace, let me bring you in. we talked about this before. i have to ask you now, we could see michael dunn take the stand. he could show remorse.

his defense attorneys could try to humanize him for the jurors. you know prosecuting. how would you cross examine this man? >> there times that you can cross examine someone and someone ha is not really your enemy. you can point out inconsistencies and show them in a polite and a good-natured way that they are mistaken that they didn't see what they thought they heard. you can point out criminal history in a pretty congenial way, but when the defendant takes the stand, it ain't no tea party. it's time to break him down and tear him apart because according to the state, he is lying. he not only shot this youth unarmed, the youth was unarmed and then lied about it, took off, didn't call 911 which maybe could have saved the life of

jordan davis and so there is no way that you can do this with kid gloves. if he takes the stand. i don't think he will take the stand. zimmerman did not take the stand and this guy has too much to lose on cross-examination. >> interesting. today we also saw the called jordan davis's father to the stand. why would they do that? >> i thought that was cruel. i was called to the stand when my fiance was murdered. i was called by the state because i was the last to have a conversation with him before he got to that conversation where the murder was. the reason they called the victim's father to the stand which must have been heart breaking for him, the three other youths in the car came over to jordan davis's home following the incident the day or so after and the defense is trying to intimate through the victim's father they were all there getting their stories straight. >> okay.

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. an about-face has not quelled the story. blame covering the follow costs of two distressed babies for a company moved to delay matching 401(k) contributions. he never named any of these babies's parents, but there is a name i want you to know now. deanna fay, wife of an employee knew her daughter was being called out. let me read part of it for you. she writes let's set aside $12 million in pay in 2012 and felt the need to announce a cut in benefits on the day he touted the best earnings of the year. they have been grateful for benefits that are generous, she writes. the hardest thing to bear has been the whiff of judgment in armstrong's statements.

>> there did sound like the implications that somehow we were greedy consumers of health care benefits and we gobbled up more than our share of the pie. >> armstrong has now reversed the retirement change he announced in the meeting. aol will be matching the contributions as it has before and he called to apologize and he talked about that on the "today" show. >> as the father of three kids and went to a fellow parent. >> i appreciated it and i forgive him. >> with me now, digital editor at large. associate editor at the atlantic. welcome to you and i would like to begin with you. you write this article, vetting armstrong's claim.

i'm glad you did this. regarding the $2 million with infant care costs. we know now, one of the cases that we could run a million. the connection tim armstrong made with the 401(k), you say that makes zero sense. tell us why. >> the thing about big companies like aol is most are self insured and we don't know specifically because they haven't commented. when you are self insured, your employees pay in and you cover medical costs. say there is a sort of major surgery or distressed baby or require a lot of care. usually the companies bought an insurance policy that guards

against big losses like a million dollars. they have liability caps that are below a million. >> that may be the lack of a connection here. kelly wallace, thinking about the story and the article last night, this is bigger than aol. they said listen, she could have called out cancer patients or other folks related to aol who needed a lot of money, but do you think this speaks the workplace and pregnant women. they mentioned the judgment call and are these pregnancy cases in her words stealing a bigger pot from the health care pie. what about women with cancer and obese people and a guy who gets

dramatically hurt running a marathon? they didn't mention examples and the two cases involving pregnancy and that's where women are out raged and feel there is a resentment and judgment, whatever you want to call it. >> i think i want to respond to this. we have a word about the greediness. you have armstrong who racked in 12 million. he mentioned aol has been doing really, really well. you have these retirement cut backs. i think it resonates because of the greed factor. >> i think definitely employees don't want to see this type of restructuring. they want to get the matching benefits throughout the year like they had been. this is not that unusual. they had done this the previous

year. for company who is have a lot of turn over, they don't want to lead with the matching benefits. this is an option they will pursue. >> as always, thank you. the distressed baby mom will be talking to my colleague here. erin burnett starting at 7:00 eastern here on cnn. coming up next, a debate within the obama administration about whether to kill a terror suspect. what's the hold up? he's an american. the complexities there. you recognize this man finding a seat on board a plane today? maybe he looked like this a couple of days ago. this is a guy adrift in the pacific ocean for more than a year. we are learning all kinds of details about the rescue including what he had and how a kid's tv show helped him

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>> just past the bottom of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. right now decision makers at the highest level are having this debate that must rip at the core of what they stand for. whether to kill a u.s. citizen to protect the u.s. the senior u.s. official said the target is an american man involved with al qaeda who may be plotting an attack against this country. the u.s. acted against an american before. a drone strike killed a cleric and leader in 2011. today the white house press secretary responded to the u.s. possibly targeting an american. jay carney referred back to a speech president obama made at the university. the president said he thought killing an american without due process is unconstitutional. it should never be done on u.s.

soil. then he said this. >> for the record, i do not believe it would be constitutional for the government to target and kill any u.s. citizen with a drone or with a shotgun without due process. nor should any president deploy armed drones over u.s. soil. but when a u.s. citizen goes abroad to wage war against america and is actively plotting to kill u.s. citizens, and when neither the united states nor partne partners are in a position to capture him before he carries out a plot, his citizenship should no more serve as a shield than they should be protected from a s.w.a.t. team. >> joining me in now, faculty director on law and security. welcome. >> thank you very much.

>> since drones have killed an american in the past as we saw, why is there this debate. hasn't the precedent been set? >> in a sense the precedence has been set, but there was a lot of protest the last time they exercised this authority. killing an american without going through a court proceeding is an awesome responsibility and has sparked a lot of controversy. the president is going to try to think twice. >> i know the issue is precision. how precise this targeted killing would be. we know what drones can do and what they call the collateral damage and unintended victims of drones. how can any president justify legally continuing their use? >> look, the issue is one of the core legal and policy issues that is at stage here. when we are talking about a president who has a responsibility under the constitution not just a right to defend america against attack, how can a president not choose

to use whatever means are available to him if in fact the president believes and this is the key question, that the threat that we are talking about, the individual that we are talking about poses a legitimate ongoing threat. >> what if the president determines that threat exists. he indeed wants to target said american. is there anyone who can stop him? >> in the past, we have gone through a little bit of a conversation about whether it would be appropriate for courts to become involved. the best answer is probably not. there is more latitude to get the courts involved in the process of restraining the president in instances where we think the president is acting lawlessly. >> nya, thank you very much. . >> now to the castaway. the castaway who has been lot of

at sea for he said more than a year is heading home to mexico. he is boarding a lean and doesn't look the same. clean shaven. rocking a phi dora, looking better than when we last saw him. washing ining ashore in this b headed out to sea off of mexico 13 months ago and drifted off path and surviving on fish and turtle blood and rain water and sometimes his own urine. cnn has his movement and suspicion surrounding his story. miguel? >> the first leg was a short trip home. it's now over. he is accompanied by a diplomat by the em passy in tokyo. they are not represented in the marshall islands. the one thing he asked for was a

photo with the president and he certainly got it. other dignitaries have gathered at the airport to take pictures with him. he is the digest celebrity that the marshall islands have seen in a long time. when he boarded the plane in the marshall islands, he was brought to the plane in a wheelchair and got up the stairs with the help of two individuals. he looked frail, but in good condition. he said he was feeling good. he said he was very emotional. certainly looking forward to getting home. we are learning new details about the first hours that he was found about 200 miles from there. he made contact with individuals on that island. he was dressed only in underwear that were tattered. he had a knife in his hand. once they got him to put the knife down, they were able to

communicate. there was a norwegian anthropologist who spoke italian as well. most of the skills came from the show dora the explorer, talking to him in spanish. during the flight, he didn't have any issues. i did pass by his seat at one point and he was looking over the safety card. this is the guy who doesn't want to be caught out and wants to know where the exits are after his harrowing experience, 6600 miles, 13 1/2 months on the ocean. now he has about 24 hours before he will be home in el salvador. cnn, honolulu. >> can you blame him? i would do the same thing. thank you very much. how about this. have you ever planned a party and something major happens and forces you to up and change the guest list.

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a female problem as in one too many. his partner left him amid reports that he has been slipping away on a scooter for terrorists with an actress. jake tapper is next. jake tapper, as far as this dinner goes, the white house had to toss out the original limitations because they had the wrong picture on them. what other headaches have been caused by the complicated love life of the french leader? >> the invitations had the name of his then girlfriend, now ex-girlfriend. those are fancy invitations. they are engraved and have the presidential seal in gold. >> not cheap. >> to trash them and get rid of them, there other things they will have to do. questions about protocol. he takes the spouse of the visiting head of state to a local school and there is an event around education and children. that will not happen this time. also the first lady usually has

a coffee and tea with the visiting spouse. that will not happen. obviously this is a moment where we revel and talk about the great relationship between the united states and france and as was observed earlier by a senior official, we have come a long way. >> indeed we have. thank you. we will see you in 15 minutes on the lead. coming up next, one of america's most famous winter olympians takes to the slopes after a lot of controversy over his actions. i'm sure you have seen this picture. the bobsledder tweeted this. he had to punch out of a bathroom and he was locked inside. what are the chances something like this could happen twice? rachel nichols is in sochi. she has the scoop, next.

. one of the best-known american olympians hits the snow tomorrow in sochi. rachel nichols is standing about i in russia. rachel nichols, the man we fly the flying tomato. we will see shaun white tomorrow? >> reporter: well, you're supposed to see him tomorrow, brooke, but there have been a ton of problems with the half-pipe course that you're supposed to see him on. first of all, it's been warm here. remember, we are in russia's only subtropical climate and it has been in the 50s today. that makes for soft snow. so that has been one issue. there's also been some issues with the course's design and the construction that's been done around it in the past few days and riders are saying that it is dangerous. in fact, two-time olympic

medalist hanna teeter went so far as to call it crappy. these are problems. what's the deal? the half-pipe is supposed to be have a half bottom. when you land, i don't know, you want it to be flat. right? it's so bumpy that the riders say it feels like a mobile course to them and hannah is asking them to move the dates of competition until the course is straightened out. i don't think that is going to happen and, by the way, it's raining. we'll see what happens with that. the rain could firm up the soft snow but it will be an adventure, no question about that. >> so it's an adventure in balmy, sochi. i don't think it was the weather, though, that led to this picture and tweet from american bobsledder johnny

quinn. >> reporter: he has a roommate but his roommate wasn't there and he didn't bring his phone into the shower because, you know, most of us don't do that. when he got out of the shower he realized he didn't have a shower with him and he went to open the door and it was jammed shut. he had quite a bit of struggle. i talked to him and this is what he told me. >> my neighbors are my two other members of the bobsled so i was banging on the wall and nothing. it did not happen. >> reporter: did you have a panic moment? >> not so much because i have running water. but i had nothing and i was sitting there banging on parts of the wall see if i could catch somebody's attention. and as i'm banging on random

parts, i kind of hit the door and it cracks and so i go a little bit harder and my fist goes through the door and so -- >> reporter: are you surprised at that? >> well -- >> reporter: do you normally punch through doors? >> no. so i see light and i was like, okay, it's time to get out of here now. >> reporter: you can see that johnny punched through the door and it's also cardboard. they released his door, which is a good thing, except he did something today, which was get into an elevator with two of his fellow bobsledders and guess what, brooke, the elevator doors were stuck shut. they were trapped. they couldn't get out of there. >> no! >> reporter: and it's not so easy to punch your way through elevator doors. johnny tweeted out a picture and he had said in the tweet, you guys aren't going to believe me but i swear i've got two other guys in here to back me up and they all say in fact that the elevator was stuck shut.

fortunately, the doors were not that hard to pry open. they did get some help getting out. but as one of the guy said, it's a good thing that there's no doors on the bobsled to get stuck, otherwise when they go down for their next practice run, johnny may not get out there. >> he seems like a nice guy but don't get stuck in tiny spaces with johnny quinn ever. rachel nichols, thank you so much. the oscar. coming up next, we'll show you what it looks like without all of the glitz and the glamour and the gold. we'll take you live to where those statues are made. aflac.

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well, we know the chief of general motors, the new ceo is going to earn big bucks. but exactly how big? the ceo, mary barra's total compensation will be $14.4 million just this year. that includes cash and stocks. 10 million will have to be approved by shareholders at their june meeting. hollywood's grandish most glamorous night is a little over two weeks away. it's on march 2nd. the luncheon is just getting started. you have 150 nominees all sitting together and eating lunch together at the beverly hilton hotel today celebrating the honor of just being in the running for academy award. the class picture will be taking place, so combine the a-listers with contenders whose names often only make it to the

credits. that's happening now. nominees are getting ready and so are the oscars themselves. the statuettes. you're about to see what they look like underneath the shimmery gold. ted rowlands is live. ted, walk me through it. >> reporter: we're going to watch one being made right now, brooke. watch an oscar being born. we're in chicago. this is where they pour the liquid metal into this cast, which is then used for every oscar awarded over the last 30 years. joseph petrie is with r.s. owens and he's doing this process. the oscar goes in and he goes out? >> absolutely. he gets cast and then he sits for 20, 30 seconds and from there it's all about inspection and quality control. >> this is the caster right now and you're going to see in about two seconds an oscar.

they don't come out gold. they come out silverish. >> yeah. they go from being cast and then we cut the gate off, we go through a hand grinding and hand-polishing process. it's several steps that we go through. after he goes through the initial level of quality control, he goes back to the engraving department where he gets an individual serial number put on him which will be with him. >> reporter: we're running out of time. david is going to come with us to the buffing zone and you say it's a seven-day process, basically to get one of these from start to finish, and then they are shipped off to hollywood. they are actually made one year in advance. so what we're seeing is this year's problem but they will be awarded next year? >> absolutely. these guys go through heavy hand work. they are being individually hand-polished. then they go into our electroplating department. >> reporter: and then they go from silver to gold and, brooke, that is a five-step process as

well. they plate it, the different metals. it ends up being gold but before it gets to gold it gets all of these others, copper and silver. look at this, though, they also make these. these are the name plates. these go on at the governor's ball. this is for leo dicaprio. he hopes he wins it. there it is. >> ted rowlands, the birth of an oscar. guys, thank you very much. have to go. that was amazing. i'm brooke baldwin. see you back here tomorrow. now we go to washington. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> to kill or not to kill? i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead. he's described as a member of al qaeda, planning attacks on americans and the only thing keeping him from becoming a smouldering hole in the ground may be the fact that he was born in the country he's accused of plotting against. will the obama administration decide to take him out with a drone anyway. the politics lead. hillary clinton, why d y