when it comes to best announcer, we're putting our money on woody. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> what was he doing to that mic. thanks very much for watching "ac 360" starts now with john better man. good evening, a top nfl prospect says he's gay. will it be a game changer in a league when it already is under fire for tolerance. one player says it will not work. and expressed fears over gays in the locker room. also tonight, what hlary clinton really thought of monica lewinsky. unexplored documents tell the story of the first lady and the other women, including the one she called a narcissistic looney tune. kids love injury afters, so do lions. what on earth convinced a zoo

that kids would like to see this giraffe shot, cut up and fed to lions. jack hannah joins us and he can't understand this whole thing either. there's that, and an exclusive keeping them honest investigation on a so-called char ity and what it did with people's money. ten words that could change the face of football. >> i'm michael samm i'm a football player and i'm gay. >> that is michael samm speaking to the new york times revealing what his teammates already knew and anticipated. what his parents knew and accepted. he spoke to the times over the weekend and told them why he went public. >> i'm coming out because i want to own my truth. i didn't want anyone to break a story without me telling it. i want to tell it the way i want to tell it. >> now that he has, the reaction in the nfl where he is expected to be a mid to low round draft pick, appears to depend on

whether that reaction is by name or not. yesterday the league tweeted. we admire michael's honesty and courage. he's a football player, any player with ability and determination can succeed in the nfl. we look forward to welcoming and supporting michael samm in 2014. on the other hand, what allowed to remain anonymous. nfl executives and coaches told sports illustrated a much different story. one said the league just isn't ready, maybe in the coming decade or two, he said. another doubt of the maturity of players especially in the locker room. sometimes the new orleans saints linebacker echoed in a recent interview. >> i think he won't be accepted as much as people think he'll be accepted. i don't want people to think oh, we're homophobic.

if he's the guy next to me, and he looks at me, how am i supposed to respond? >> another nfl executive quoted anonymously in sports illustrated, said the presence of a gay player would inballan nfl locker room chemically. to which frank brunni replied, get over it. it's a locker room for heaven's sake, not last call at the rawhide. now joining us is jonathan vilma. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> less than two weeks ago, this was before michael samm's announcement, you said a gay player would not be accepted as much as he would think he would be accepted. why not? >> right. >> well, i think you have a gay player as michael samm who has come out, and he's done a

tremendous job, it says a lot about his character and who he is as a person. it's a simple change, people are resistant to change at times. and it's not just as simple as comes into the locker room, so my words, it was a poor illustration of the example i was trying to give out of context. so i do apologize for that. i was trying to explain that whenever you have change into something that's been set in stone for so long, or you've had something that's been going for so long, that change always comes with a little resistance. and it was a poor choice of an example that i used, i do apologize for that. but someone like michael samm, who is extremely confident and a powerful man in himself, within his own right, into an nfl culture that's used to one thing, there's going to naturally be that first level, first wave of resistance before you have the transition.

>> what specifically about this change do you think will lead to the resistance? >> because you have many different dynamics in the locker room. you have people that are open minded, some people are closed minded. some people grew up with or without the acceptance of gays in their families. you have a lot of different elements in the locker room, which you don't see right now. me being on the inside for 10 years, inside the locker room, i've been around that, and it's not to say that locker rooms are bad, there's going to be people that accept it willingly as soon as he comes in, welcome him with open arms, and unfortunately, there will be some -- i'm about 99% sure the minority will say, well, they're not comfortable with that yet. they don't know how to respond to that. that's just what's going to happen in the first year, two

years. you have more players like michael sam coming out and saying that they're gay. the transition will be a lot smoother. >> you talked about the showers, and this is a subject that does come up quite a bit. you said, you know, if i'm naked in the shower, what if he looks at me, how am i supposed to react? >> right. >> what's your concern there? >> no, there is no concern. the -- again, the point i was trying to make, or the context i was trying to take it in is that i've never been put in that situation. no player in the nfl has been put in that situation, so it's not as simple as anyone saying, well, there's nothing wrong with it, i don't see anything wrong with it, you have other players that may, other players that may not. i don't know, and the players don't know, this is the first time you have a michael samm who will, by all accounts be drafted, openly gay, come into a locker room, knowing in the nfl

for the past however many years has experienced it this before. this is all new to everyone. >> you played 10 years, there are 53 players on the team? you showered every day after practice. you showered with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of men. >> yes. >> you really think none of them have been gay? >> that's the funny thing about it, i look back at my transcripts and andrea kramer said, you really don't think anyone is gay? i said, 5% or 10% of the locker room is gay. she said, you don't think they're looking at me? i'm not that good looking, i don't think they're looking at me. the stats say that, the facts are, no player before michael samm has come out before getting drafted or during his career in the nfl and openly said i am gay. and that, i'm sticking strictly to that context.

>> you think there is some concern about the showers. >> no, as i said, that was a poor example on my part. i'm glad i'm able to clarify that. >> we're literally there for 12, $13 a day for us. men, guys, straight, gay, guys, religious, nonrelnonreligious. we're around each other for extended periods of time. it's a winning culture. as long as he can play football. i am okay with it. it doesn't bother me at all. >> what about the locker room culture might make it difficult for a gay athlete or a michael samm? >> well, the culture in the

locker room. you can tell its extremely comfortable. he's a very good comfortable football player. for other guys who may not be as strong minds, strong willed. they may be a little timid, there may be times where they don't know how to react or assert themselves or whatever the situation is. >> i know you went to miami, right? missouri is a pretty good school also. his teammates knew all season. pretty good complex there. if he can succeed in a season playing in the sec, why on earth couldn't he succeed with flying colors playing in the nfl. >> i believe he will succeed in playing the nfl, i don't think he won't succeed. i think he's going to do very well.

you have -- of course, we look at the football player, then you look at him as a person. for him to come out and be as 12r07k as he is, he's a leader, i think those are all pluses for him. you have gm's, scouts looking at them, he can play football. you have these dynamics of him as a person, these characteristics, i think they're going to bode very well in the nfl. >> i want to bring a slightly different perspective here. chris clue we, who is also an ambassador for the lgbt group, beautiful unique sparkle pony. you have been an outspeaken supporter of same sex marriage, you've also said your outspoken support for same sex marriage may have cost you your job in the nfl. i want to ask you to look at this from that perspective. if you think you were run out of the nfl before your support for

same sex marriage, don't you think it will be tough for a gay football player? >> yeah, i agree is with jonathan, there will be people who don't get it, who don't understand why you shouldn't discriminate against someone. but i think that that is the minority in terms of the locker room, in terms of the players, and it may be a vocal minority, maybe people you hear from, but everything i've seen in the last eight years that i've been in the league, is that that is shifting toward more tolerance and more acceptance. really, players don't sign mares paychecks, it's coaches and administrators that sign the paychecks, that's where the issues you run into. you have the older guard, this older generation way of looking at things, and they don't understand that a football player goes out to play football. and like john said in the locker room, we're around each other the entire day. you develop bonds with guys, and we'll be fine as players. it's not players you have to worry about, it's coaches and front office.

>> what about those coaches? they don't think that michael samm will fit in right away. cbs says his draft prospects have dropped like 70 slots over night. because of this new information. you think this hurts his prospects in the nfl? >> i think it honestly does, and i think it's unfortunate that that's the case, it shouldn't hurt his draft prospects what his sexuality is. just like it shouldn't hurt someone's draft bro spects, what their religion is, or the color of their skin. everyone has freedom to pursue their own life, and michael samm wants to be a football player, that's what hen watts to do, and it shouldn't matter what his sexuality is, it's unfortunate that we're still in that transition process where it probably will hurt his draft status, but he's making a key step forward so in the future it

won't hurt other guy's draft status, they'll be able to be openly gay, and be who they are, and it won't be a story, it will be a nonissue. >> things are changing and continue to change at this minute. your position, your words at least seem to have changed over the last few weeks, as a captain on your team, what would you say to your teammates, were michael samm drafted by the saints? >> there's nothing to say. the first thing that matters is, can he play football? when he steps into the locker room, he steps on the field my concern is getting him lined up and making sure that he knows the call, and he can go out there and play football. and he can play to our ability or to our expectations. so for me as a captain, it's about holding everybody accountable to the level that we said, i think the saints have done a good job, holding players to a standard. we've been in the playoffs for the last four or five years, and it's really about keeping the

culture, keeping it the way it is. the white noise, anything that's not concerned with football throughout the season, we would take an easy back seat to it. >> thank you for joining us tonight, i appreciate it. >> what did hillary clinton think of monica lewinsky really at the time? and her husband's motivation for having an affair with monica lewinsky. see what forgotten papers from the first lady's close friend now reveal. sure, it's the circle of life. why did the zoo have to make it a show for the kids, and what made them sacrifice a healthy

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isn't that what retirement should be, paying ourselves to do what we love? ♪ history coming around again and the same names resurfacing concerns hillary clinton. and notably her thoughts on monica lewinsky, the intern who struck president clinton's fancy. >> the documents which resided at the university of arkansas were first made public in 2010, few people took notice. in one of them, at the height of the lewinsky scandal, blair writes about how her friend hillary viewed the infidelity. it was a lapse, but she says to his credit, he tried to break it off. tried to pull away, tried to manage someone who was clearly a

narcissistic looney toon, but it was beyond control. the infidelity stemmed from the personal toll from the death of her mother, father and their friend vince foster had taken on mr. clinton among other things. in a moment, carl bernstein joins us, but, randi kaye on more of the history that's resurfacing today and probably will yet again if hillary clinton decides to run for president. >> this embrace from 1996 may be our only glimpse inside the bizarre relationship between then president clinton and monica lewinsky. she joined the white house as an intern the year before. she was 21. >> do you have any anything to say to the president? >> reporter: in january 1998, various media outlets got winds of her affair with the president. president clinton publicly denied it. first lady hillary clinton

standing stone faced at his side. >> i want to say one thing to the american people. i want you to listen to me, i'm going to say this again. i did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss lewinsky. >> reporter: by the very next morning, hillary clinton's pr campaign was in full swing, smiling for the cameras. and defending her husband. first on nbc's today show. calling the accusation a feeding frenzy. and blaming it on a vast right wing conspiracy. >> i think the important thing now is to stand as firmly as i can and say the president has denied these allegations on all counts unequivocally, and we'll see how this plays out. >> then on abc's good morning america. calling the allegations false. saying she's sure her husband had told her the whole story. >> i know the american people

will eventually know the story. i really just want everybody to take a deep breath and relax and just sit back, because here they come again. >> mrs. clinton promised in her interviews the truth would come out, and it did. president clinton spoke to the american people from the white house in august that year about seven months after his wife declared to the world he had done nothing wrong. he admitted just the opposite. >> indeed i did have a relationship with miss lewinsky that was not appropriate. in fact it was wrong. >> reporter: in december that year, the house of representatives voted to impeach president clinton, accusing him of lying under oath, abusing presidential power to conceal a sexual relationship, and obstructing justice. the president was acquitted by the senate. four years later in 2003, the former first lady spoke to abc's 20/20, breaking her silence and

sharing her feelings about the affair on television for the first time. >> i was furious, i was dumbfounded. i was just beside myself with anger and disappointment. i couldn't imagine how he could have done that to me or anyone else. >> in 2008 the former first lady opened up to talk show host tyra banks. >> you're mad, you're really upset, disappointed, all of that goes through your mind. but i have found you really shouldn't make decisions in the heat of those moments. >> decisions and declarations that are now making headlines again. randi kaye cnn, washington. >> thanks randy. >> additional context now, investigative reporter carl bernstein has written a

biography of hillary clinton, a woman in charge. you got to know diane blair for your book, you spoke to her. a lot of the information here is not new, some of the words, though that we're seeing today are new. she called monica lewinsky a narcissistic looney toon. now, that sentiment might not be new, but the words are, what was hillary clinton going through when she said that. calling monica lewinsky a narcissistic looney toon? >> let's back up a little bit and take a look at what these supposed revelations are. almost all of what i've read so far is not very revealing in terms of new information. what we have here is a lack of context in the presentation of this material today, particularly by right wing websites. by clinton ago lights coming out to defend hillary.

we're back into combat. and without too much context and without too much helpful information. i think we have to put everything in that light. and then go on from there. looney toons if you read my book, other accounts, hillary was quite valuable on the subject of monica lewinsky. she called her narcissistic, i don't know if i used that word in my book. i'd have to go through the whole book. but she called her a stalker. that's what bill had told her originally, that she was stalking him. hillary clinton believed her husband up until two days before the special prosecutor interviewed him, many months later. she believed that bill clinton had not had sex with that woman. >> and he continued to tell her that, so it's not just these

documents which are being dredged up again in some cases or seen for the first time. there are people talking now about both clinton fairly actively. who's talking about the monica lewinsky affair again. saying that hillary shouldn't accept money in some ways from bill clinton. that what he did is tantamount of being a sexual predator in the white house. are you saying that will make the clintons wary about another run? >> first of all, it's inevitable and very useful for republicans to make that kind of talk. and also i believe, and i've talked to some people about this, that one of senator paulson's objectives may be to keep hillary from running, by getting this stuff out there, and making things uncomfortable for the clintons and making them confront these questions now with the hope that she wouldn't run. she's obviously the most

formidable democratic candidatc. >> this is a story we've been talking about for a long, long time. just ahead for us, a young healthy giraffe is killed, cut up and fed to lions in front of an audience full of children. the zoo is now facing a firestorm. also ahead, dramatic testimony today about the gunshot wounds that killed jordan davis, allegedly after an argument over loud music. if yand you're talking toevere rheuyour rheumatologistike me,

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the outrage that escalated to death threats against the staff at the copenhagen zoo. by now you've probably heard about the giraffe shot dead by the veterinarian. he wasn't sick or old. he was part of a surplus of giraffes at the zoo. he had the same genes as many others so they killed him to prevent inbreeding. after he was killed he was cut up and fed to the zoos lions all in front of children. the zoo called it a learning

opportunity. jack hanna is the director amayor tuesday at the columbus zoo, he joins me tonight. most of the time we speak with you it's a feel good animal story, i spoke to you earlier today and i never heard you so upset about anything. this is one of the most horrifying things you've ever heard in your entire life. >> it is. it is grotesque, abombenable. i could go on with the words, but let's let that go right now. it's unbelievable. why is that? i just heard an interview where the person said this is maybe a cultural difference. no, this isn't a cultural difference. in other countries they do have giraffes as a consumption food. but that's people who live way

out in other areas. not at a zoo. you tell me why they did this, i don't think anybody can tell you why, i can't. >> you said this kept you up at night. the zoo says it was to prevent inbreeding. they do say they have a scientific reason. they need to manage the population in the right way of the giraffe at this zoo and many others. if they have too many giraffes, why do they keep bringing the genetic line. if they do have the giraffes, they don't want to breed, they can stop it, it's simple, there's castration, birth control, some may tell you can't do that to giraffes, fine. they don't do it in the wild, we could find a home for this giraffe. one man offered a half a million

dollars to save this giraffe and give him a home. it's hard for me to give you an answer. they took it and shot it, that's great. i think from what we saw in the pictures, they cut it up and did an autopsy. why do an autopsy? they took it next door and fed it to the lions. >> the head of the zoo said this was meant to be educational. a little earlier today he spoke to brook baldwin. let's listen to what he said. >> when we feed it to the lions either we feed them a horse or a cow. and now we could feed them a giraffe. i don't see any problem in that. i think that kids need to see sometimes what the real world is. >> let's review, the shot the giraffe in the head, cut it up and fed it to the lions and leopards. it sounds horrible when you say it like that, in a way, season the this just the circle of life? a nature show, they show on

national geographic where the animals are getting eaten and killed by the lions and tigers? >> right. i can't say -- i can't argue that point what you see on national geographic. you see once or twice on my show. we're not going to be doing that, we haven't done it for years. you'll see some clips down the line. what he's saying is, these are young people, yes, it is nature. don't you think we ought to educate people about why it's important to have the giraffe? a lot of people don't understand. they're very endangered, okay? to me, that's a weak point of educating young people about -- they have an animal there that might pass on, that they do take out and feed to their cats privately or whatever they want to do, that's up to them, okay? i disagree with the fact that that's anything about education. >> jack, you seem deeply and even personally offended by this. i'm wondering if you can explain why? >> because i work so hard and so do all the zoos in this country

to bring the zoo logical world to people, when we spend tens of millions of dollars on habitats for the polar bear. 28 million we're spending to show the beautiful giraffes out there. we have a hand feeding place where kids go out there and hand feed the giraffes with carrots and things like that, what a beautiful animal. that's how i want them to remember the gir offs, they want to love something and save something. we're trying to educate people, if you don't see something and don't love something, you can't save something. >> this kept you up last night? >> you know something, i've had things that bothered me in my life, this is one of the top five. when i was told my daughter had brain tumors, the top five things that ever affected me, the zanesville incident, we had to shoot 48 animals because they escaped. the top five things in my life at my age. as far as the animal world is concerned, i can't even compare

this, in our country, we don't do that, we don't ever intend to do that, we're there to educate you and educate people about these beautiful creatures god gave us, that's what we're there for. >> jack hanna, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. defense witnesses testify for michael dunn in his loud music murder trial. not before the parents of his young victim left the courtroom. drew griffin goes on the hunt for $40 million worth of medicine allegedly donated. he didn't reach the people who needed it, we're keeping them honest. choose two melt-in-your mouth entrees, like new parmesan crusted chicken, 3 courses, 2 people, just $25 at olive garden! also enjoy weekday signature favorites, four classic pastas, now just $10!

crime and punishment tonight, the murder trial of michael dunn in florida, prosecutors rested their case today, the defense called witnesses. dunn is charged with first degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old jordan davis in a confrontation at a gas station. now, he admits he shot the teen in a dispute over loud music, but claims he fired in self-defense, he said he thought he saw a shotgun in the suv davis was riding in. no weapon was ever found. seeing as martin savage was inside the courtroom today. the details about the shooting of jordan davis were so intense his parents for the first time had to leave the courtroom. jurors were shown photographs, x-rays in the blood stained clothes, the 17-year-old was wearing when he was killed. the prosecution's final witness,

former associate medical examener stacy simmons, testifying davis was shot three times, twice in the leg, it was a bullet to the abdomen that killed him. >> right about here is where the bullet entered. it entered at the actual border. over here it perforated the right lung and continued on behind the heart and in front of the spinal column to per foreate the aorta. >> as a result of the study of the wounds. davis was leading away from the door of the vehicle. and not trying to get out of the suv as the defense suggests. dunn's fiancee took the stand saturday, emotionally describing the events that led to davis' death. after having a few drinks, they pulled into a parking lot at a gas station. she recalled dunn being annoyed by the loud music coming from

the vehicle. all of a sudden there was shooting. she didn't see who was shooting, but returning to the car, she saw dunn put a gun into the glove box, the couple never called 911, instead drove back to a hotel where dunn mixed drinks and ordered pizza because her stomach was upupset. >> when you woke up, was the television on? >> yes, it was. >> did you happen to see something on the news? >> yes. >> did you learn that a teenager had been killed at the gas station? >> yes, i did. >> did you tell the defendant you wanted to go home? >> yes, i did. >> why did you decide you all needed to go home? >> because i thought i was going to be arrested too. >> instead of contacting police, the couple drove back to their

home in satellite beach, 130 miles away, where dunn was later arrested. the defense called several of dunn's friends to testify as character witnesses. >> i always thought he was a gentle man. >> she never saw anything from dunn but a calm demeanor. martin savidge, cnn, jacksonville. >> let's talk more about this case with sunny hostin. a former federal prosecutor, she's in jacksonville, sunny is in the courtroom monitoring this trial. thanks for being with us. dunn claims he acted in self-defense. we just heard his fiancee give that emotional testimony where she detailed how even after seeing the report on the news about the shooting, that neither she nor dunn reported the shooting to the police. that doesn't seem to bode well for the defense. >> it really doesn't. this is a huge problem for the defense in this case, they sort of have been dancing around. let's face it, it is clear from

the prosecution's case that michael dunn shot the car ten times, and after that, got into the car and drove away. after driving away, what did he do? he basically had some pizza, watched a movie. had a drink and went to sleep. that is going to be very difficult for the jury to overcome. what i've heard is that tomorrow they are going to call acute stress reaction expert. i've never heard of that kind of expert, my sense is, they are going to try to explain away that behavior as part of his reaction to the stressfulness of the shooting. >> one of the other things they seem to be doing right now is giving defense witness testimony that he's a nice guy. they're putting up friends, the flight instructor of michael dunn who is a peaceful man. how is that playing in court. >> it wasn't playing very well, it really fell flat, that usually is the case with character witnesses. unless you have someone that is a really strong character

witness, let's say the childhood friend who has become the president of the united states to talk about what a wonderful person this is, it just doesn't bode well, and i was looking at the jury, john, and i think they found them to be pretty incredible, especially after cross-examinati cross-examination. and the prosecution did a pretty good job pointing out while they knew him, they really knew his parents and they weren't there the night this happened. >> given the character witness testimony seemed to be going well by your eyes. given there is still some discrepancies in the time line of the story there. do you think there's a good chance that dunn himself will have to testify in his own defense? >> you know, that is the million dollar question, john. that's the question that we've all been talking about today after court. i think he has to testify. and let me tell you why, bottom line is, he has alleged and his lawyer talked about this in opening statements, that this was a self-defense case, that he saw a gun he may have seen a

pipe. guess what? no one has testified to that, the only person at this point that can testify to that is michael dunn, i think the prosecution in this case really learned from the zimmerman case, no video interrogation of michael dunn telling his story is in evidence. the only way to prove self-defense at this point is to have michael dunn testify. when i was in court right before the end of the day, the defense indicated that they had one or maybe two witnesses pending, angela cory, when going over the jury instructions, the defense wanted to go over it, the self-defense instruction. she made it clear that it would be inappropriate to go over that instruction unless there was evidence of self-defense, i suspect we're going to hear from michael dunn tomorrow. >> sunny hostin, thank you so much. up next, we're back on the charity money trail, keeping them honest. to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape?

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we're trying to track down more than $40 million worth of u.s. medicine that charities claim to have sent to guatemala. we reported on some of these groups in the past. remember those coconut m&ms that a charity unloaded on a veteran's center? >> we got bags of coconut m&ms. we didn't have a lot of use for 11,000 bags of coconut m&ms.

what about that one finger salute. we have questions for them in nearly 15 other charities. the times have helped prepare this report. >> reporter: if you believe their paperwork, 15 little known u.s. charities who have had very little, sent 40 million dollars in medicines to guatemala in 2010. which charity? if you've been watching, you've seen them before, the breast cancer society in arizona, with its finger wave iing president. and his stepmother who runs a charity. she earns $227,000 a year. declined to tell us where all the millions in her donations

go. >> is rose available? >> she's not available and she's not doing interviews. >> they claim to have sent massive quantities of medicine to guatemala. despite the substantial size of the donations, the internal revenue service doesn't require charities to disclose exactly what they sent. we did something the irs and others are unable to do. try to find even one shipment of medicine that quite frankly, local guatemalan relief agencies say would have made a huge difference. >> have you ever seen a million dollars worth of stuff? >> not in our world. >> the organization that

accepted the medical shipments in guatemala, the order of malta wouldn't talk to us. but for a sign in an office building, it was hard to find evidence in guatemala that the group even existed. >> the order is based not here, but in a home? >> you can see how confusing this is, this is order of malta office, but the office -- there's a business office, the embass dor is not here, we've been trying to reach him, he's in town, he's out of town, he's in country, he's out of country. this organization has somehow distributing tens of millions of dollars in goods throughout the countryside of guatemala. nobody knows where. >> when we tried to reach the headquarters for the order of malta in rome our e-mails went unanswered. it's not the order of malta that we've claimed to have donated or even distributed $40 million in

aid to this country. this is our 15 small charities back to the united states. >> this one comes from st. cloud minnesota. >> charity groups who actually operate in guatemala tell us $40 million worth of medicine had shown up here? there is virtually no way it could not be noticed. >> is he working with you? >> this is one of the houses we've helped out with. >> richard helps international has been working in guatemala for 13 years, he's never heard of the order of malta here. in addition to helping poor guatemalan villagers build these smoke free stoves, they organize medical teams from the u.s. who conduct clinics across the countryside. $40 million worth of medicine in his word is unheard of. >> in a year we'll carry out

about 15,000 clinics, and doing 1300 operations, surgical operations. >> through that entire process, you're talking about $350,000? >> yeah, maybe with medicines, yeah. so it's -- it has to be a huge organization. >> in a last effort to try to verify any of the alleged huge donations from the american charities, we travelled to the countryside and to the address of the warehouse where the medicines were restored. the guard would not allow us in without permission, and over the phone he was soon given the order to keep us out. why? the man on the other end of the phone wouldn't tell us. >> i'm telling you, we cannot find it anywhere, we cannot find any stamp of your work. and we're just trying to get to the bottom of it. we're standing at a warehouse gate and no one will let us in.

we never got it, and never got an explanation where the 40 million in medicines went. what's this all about. the investigation shows how easily charities can take credit for good deeds abroad. but how difficult it can be to track their impact on the ground. were the $40 million in donated medicines to guatemala all just made up? if anyone knows that answer it is these two men? roy tidwell, the head of charity services international, who runs a company that helps arrange charity shipments to far away locations and this man, who comes up with the paperwork that claims the donated goods are worth millions. according to sources, cnn learned both men are under investigation by regulators from two states, who are asking the same questions cnn has been asking. $40 million in donations is being reported to the the irs,

where are they. >> drew joins us now. it seems inconceivable that $40 million worth of donations and medicine can simply go unnoticed. is it something that happens in the world of charity? >> the accounting happening all the time incredibly often we see charities that have nothing to do with foreign aid, everything to do with veteran services, dogs in the u.s. cancer society in the u.s., some kind of veterans groups, and all of a sudden, on their 990 tax forms, shows these million dollar donations to far flung places that you really can't track down whether it exists or not. >> drew griffin, thank you so much for being on this for us. ] ...and let in the dog that woke the man who drove to the control room [ woman ] driverless mode engaged. find parking space. [ woman ] parking space found.

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