like 12. but since 2005, fairly regularly with my father. >> kind of a family, community activity? >> yes. it would be one of those saturday things. we would go flying and go shoot trap. >> so you understand how shotguns work? >> yes. >> you understand how they fire? >> absolutely. >> you understand how projectiles come out of a shotgun? >> very much so. >> now, at this point, he reaches down and slams up what you think you see is a shotgun. is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> do you reach for your firearm? >> no, i do not. >> do you say anything to him, you're dead or anything like that? >> no. he put -- he slammed something against the door and said -- and i asked him, are you talking about me? and i didn't know what it was at

first. he was showing me a gun and threatening me. >> again, you said it was only a few inches of that barrel? >> yeah, i'm estimating four. >> again, at that point, did you grab your firearm? >> i did not. >> did you have any words back in terms of retaliation? >> no. i was in fear for my life and i was probably stunned. >> at that point, how did that make you feel? had anyone ever pointed a gun at you or even said that? >> i had never been threatened, let alone threatened with a firearm before, not threatened with death. >> at this point, in terms of your mental processes, could you even imagine it would escalate to that point over asking someone to lower their radio? >> i was incred did you louse.

>> what does that mean? >> i couldn't believe what i was seeing and hearing. >> were you frozen in that seat? >> i was. >> where was miss rouer, your fiancee? >> she was in the store. >> from the back window of that suv to you, would that be a diagonal straight line? >> yes. >> from you to the front of that gate entrance, would that be a diagonal straight line? >> yes. we were in line. >> if somebody had fired a shotgun from that angle, anybody coming out could be hit? >> that's correct. >> that would include your fiancee? >> right. >> did you even have time to look back to see if miss rower was coming out? >> i did not. >> you don't pull your weapon at this point. you are sitting there. what happens now? >> well, i didn't react to this. i'm just like processing what's going on. this young man in the back seat, the back passenger seat opens his door, he cracked it.

he just popped it open. >> could you hear the door unhinge? >> i saw it move just a little bit. >> at that point, you already said you were in fear of your life when he said you're -- >> i was. >> were you still in fear for your life? >> i became even more fearful at that point. >> at that point, what did you believe was about to happen to you? >> i thought i was going to be killed. >> did you even think he might be able to get a shot off? >> yes, yes, i did. but i still didn't go for my gun at that time. >> why is that? why did you not reach for your gun? >> i couldn't tell you, hoping that the situation was gonna

deescalate. i was in fear for my life but i wasn't to the point where i was ready to employ deadly force. >> were you even thinking about it at that point? >> not really. i was just going, oh, my god. where is all this hostility coming from? >> at that point, is miss rouer even in your view sight yet? >> no. >> did you know she could be standing outside your car? >> she could be. my focus is to the left. she could be standing right there. of course, you know, a lot of things are going through my mind. it is not just my life. it is hers too. >> let me ask you this. at any time, did any of the people in the suv try to calm that individual down? >> no. when i was looking at the person in the rear passenger, i could see the rear driver's side too. while he wasn't saying anything,

it was still that i would say scowl. an angry expression. >> he was kind of still watching his friend? >> oh, absolutely. he was right there. >> did anybody in the front seat or at any time did that back window ever come up or go up halfway or inch or anything like that. >> no, it did not. >> again, you don't know who else is in that vehicle other than somebody working the radio, i guess? >> yeah. i assume there is somebody in the back. >> correct. >> the two guys in the back and the one guy threatening you in the back? >> correct. >> now, you say you see a move and you hear the door unpop. >> right. >> do you see the door open? >> yes. >> at this point, are you still frozen in fear? >> i am. >> what changes, what is that variable? >> after the -- and this young

man gets out and as his head clears the window frame. >> do you see that man try to get rid of what you thought was a shotgun he was holding against the door? >> well, when the door opened -- >> you didn't see his body moving trying to get rid of it and then get out? >> no. i just him get out and the shotgun was not sticking up anymore. >> did you think he was going to get out to yell at you some more? >> this is the point where my death is imminent. he is coming to kill me, to beat me. i am not real sure what his intentions were. actually, he made it very clear what his intentions were. >> again, you only know what you're being told and what you

see. >> yes, and not having any doubts at all between his threats and his actions that that is a gun in the window. >> again, you see him now come out over the door frame is that correct? >> i saw his head over the window frame as he stepped out. it was at that point -- >> have you ever been in any remote type of position like that? >> never. >> do you have any type of law enforcement or military training to deal with that? >> no, i do not. >> in your wildest dreams, could you fathom being in that position over a common courtesy? >> no. >> now, at this point, are you looking for miss rouer? are you trying to figure out where she is? what's going through your mind? >> what went through my mind is

that this was a clear and present danger and i said -- >> looking at him or were you now moving. >> i said that as i was retrieving my pistol. >> where was your pistol? >> it was in my glove box. >> where do you routinely keep that pistol? >> in my glove box. >> is that the same pistol we saw here today? >> yes, it is. >> does that pistol fit all the way down deep into that holster? >> yes, it does. that is the holster you would use for concealed carrying. >> if you are concealed carrying it, it is not open carry like you see in the wild west where the cowboys can grab their trigger and pull? >> right. that's inside the waistband holster. >> does that trigger guard, that holster, cover that trigger guard? >> yes, it does. you can see how it is molded over. when the gun fits in, it completely covers the trigger

guard. >> when did you have that or purchase that firearm? >> early '90s, '90, '91. >> would you take that to go target practicing? >> yes, i would. >> that's the paper tark get you see in shooting ranges? >> yes. >> any type of modifications or customization to that gun? >> the only thing i did was i took the walnut grips off and i put the packmyer grips, the black grips, nonslip. >> the walnut is kind of a smooth finish. >> exactly. >> it could slip out. >> exactly. >> if you are shooting, even at target -- >> i think the packmyer grips look better and they are probably safer. >> again, have you ever had to take that out other than to shoot paper targets at a range? >> i've never, ever had to resort to any kind of firearm, let alone that pistol.

>> now, can you fire that gun through the holster? >> no, you cannot. the trigger is completely blocked. >> how many rounds does that gun hold? >> fifteen in the magazine. >> you heard miss pagon testify that you can carry one chamber, is that correct? >> you could. i don't do that. >> have you ever carried your firearms in your house, car, or person what i would call live, meaning there is a live round in the chamber? >> no, i don't believe in that. i think it's a safety issue. >> again, have you had guns since you had a family? >> yeah. with young kids in the house, you know, specially a revolver, a kid is strong enough to pull the tricker and snap it. a revolver is just not safe. the same thing can be said for a double action pistol. if you have a round in the chamber, they are strong enough to pull the trigger but you they are not strong enough to work the slide. at least not enough, not until

they are old enough where they know better. >> again, there was some mention about your son, chris. you and phyllis molenaro separated when he was quite young. >> yes. >> did she go on to get remarried? >> she did. >> did she have kids with that man. >> yes. >> did she have kids? >> yes, a daughter. >> did you go on to get married. >> yes. >> and have more children. >> yes, i have two daughters. >> is that part of the rational that you don't carry it, because of my young daughter. that pistol is actually older than they are. >> with that being said, when you reached over, tell the jury what you did. was your glove box locked? >> my glove box isn't locked but the way my seat is kind of tilted back, i had to lean forward once to pop the glove box and then bounce back and lean forward again to grab the

pistol, like leaning forward a little bit farther. >> when you grab it, is it still in the holster? >> yeah. i grabbed the whole thing. >> do you unholster it. >> i grabbed the whole thing and threw the holster down at my feet in the car. >> is this a very quick action that you are doing? >> absolutely. i'm in a panic. >> that's what i was going to ask you. at that point, do you also then rack the gun or cock the gun? >> to recreate it, i grab the gun and stripped off the holster and i put the pistol up into the window and cocked it and turned to my left. >> at that point when you turned to your left, are you trying to acquire a target or anything like that. >> i'm just pointing it at the direction of my attacker at that point. >> that's the last place you saw this person? with the firearm or deadly weapon in his hand? >> yes. everything he said and did

cemented the fact that whatever he threw up against the door that looked like a gun was a gun. >> at that point, were you shooting only to defend yourself? >> yes, i was. >> duff any malice intent outside of what you have already testified to and why you grabbed your pistol? >> no, i did not. >> had you ever met anybody in this red suv before? >> no, i had not. >> obviously, you have learned their names now. have you ever had any contact with them, their families, anything at all? >> no. >> would they have even known who you are? >> unlikely. >> you said you hadn't even lived in jacksonville since the mid '90s? >> correct. >> now, how fast, i know we kind of recreated and walked you through it. if you could, could you show the jury exactly what you did when you heard it's going down now? >> well, is if we say over here

is my glove box, i'm looking ou is my glove box, i'm looking ist my glove box, i'm looking out the window. i said, you -- >> do you recall how many times you shot? >> i did not. >> you obviously heard the video. >> yes. >> you got to see the video? >> yes. it was very -- >> how did that make you feel watching it? >> it put me back in the moment. >> how did that make you feel? >> scared. >> about as scared as you were that day? >> not even a little bit but it brought some of it back. >> have you ever been put in that position before in your life? >> no. >> do you have any type of training to deal with being put in that position? >> objection, asked and answered. >> sustained. >> at that point, we hear the gun go off three times. you heard boom, boom, boom or bang, bang, bang, however you want to describe it.

you could hear it yourself? >> yes. >> at any point, do you then move the gun to find anybody else? >> no. >> are you now searching? >> how can i describe this? i had what's called tunnel vision. my hearing kind of dimmed. my senses just kind of -- everything faded in the background. it was focused on the target and pulling the trigger. >> was that target being the red door? >> just door. >> why are you shooting at the door? >> that's where the threat was coming from. that was the last place i saw my attacker and that was about as far back as i could get in my position. >> again, were you shooting directly to your left or would that be at the passenger door? >> that would have been at the front passenger. i was angled behind me two

handed. i have a damaged right finger. i really can't shoot a gun, because i have to use this as the trigger finger. i would only beholding it with two fingers. so i have to hold it two handed for the recoil. >> judge, if i may, can i have him sent down so the jury can see his finger. >> mr. dunn, if you wouldn't mind stepping down. when did this injury happen to your finger? >> can you put your hole hand out so they could compare that finger to the others? >> could you slide down? i hate to do that to you, mr. dunn. could you tell the jury, how did that injury occur?

>> a home improvement project gone awry. >> was that with your father? >> yes, it was. >> did he feel kind of bad? >> he feels terrible. >> because of that, you said you have to hold it with two hands. >> right, because i would otherwise just beholding the grip with two fingers and that's not enough. >> would it almost injury you trying to fire the gun? >> i think it would jump out of my hand. i've never tried it. just out of a -- >> safety issue? >> yes. >> with that being said, is it even possible when you're firing back at that back passenger door, is it even possible, did you dunk your head and aim those crosshairs or sites? >> i didn't aim. i pointed. >> duff time to acquire a site? >> no. my hands were rested on my windowsill. >> why did you fire so quickly? what was still going through your mind at that moment if anything at all?

>> i was fighting for my life. >> at that point, you felt your life was still in danger? >> i object to leading. >> sustained. >> how did you feel in terms of your mental abilities of being in fear? >> i was still fighting for my life. i was still in fear for my life. >> did anybody yell out, no, no, we're just kidding, no, no, it's okay, any type of comments like that? >> no, nothing. >> anything to deescalate the threats towards you? >> nothing at all. >> at that point, at some time, do you now realize the suv is gone? >> yeah. as i mentioned, i kind of was in a fixed position with the tunnel vision. i didn't realize the suv was moving at first. you'll see in photos that there are three holes in the front passenger. i was still aiming at the rear

passenger and it didn't register that the car was backing up. >> at some point, you realize now there is no more red door in front of your face? >> i registered movement and stopped but i had already put three additional shots into the front passenger. >> again, was that with any malice and intent for anybody in the vehicle other than the gentleman who threatened your life with a firearm? >> no, it was just a byproduct of the tunnel vision. >> did you stop once you realized that suv is now no longer there? >> yes, i did. >> at that point, did you look up? >> yes. >> where was the suv when you looked up? >> they had backed up directly behind me. >> so at that point, if you are facing this way, aiming out your door, your door is closed? >> my door is closed. my window is down. >> did you ever try to open the door and get out of the vehicle and chase them down? >> not chase them down. i did open my door.

>> tell the jury, why did you open your door with the suv behind snu. >> well, they had a shot at the back of my head, a very easy one. >> again, did you ever see anybody throw the shotgun or the deadly weapon away? >> no. >> at that point, if they have a shotgun, what kind of sight do they have to use? >> right. this is where rhonda starts coming into my mind. i know she has heard the shots. i know rhonda. it wasn't just my life i was worried about now. >> was that in terms of your mental state? how did you still feel at that point in terms of the threat of imminent danger? >> now, it is double, because it is not just me we are talking about. >> at some point now, do you see that suv actually drive towards

a different direction or try to drive away? >> it did. this is where now they are back in line with it. they fire on me, they will hit the front door and this is where rhonda comes out. >> again, with your gun, how many bullets can it fire at a time? >> one. >> that goes in one direction? >> yes, sir. >> with your experience and training, what does a shotgun blast do? >> it has a very nice spread. >> the further away you you get, the bigger that spread? >> the bigger that spread. >> that's kind of why you could shoot clays at 50 yards plus and still hit it? >> and hit it, yeah. >> do you fire additional rounds into the back of the truck? >> i did. in my panicked state of mind, i thought i fired once but i've seen the photographic evidence. i shot three times. >> what was your purpose of firing towards the back of that vehicle? >> i was worried about the blind firing situation where they

would, you know, shoot over their heads or whatever and hit me or hit me and ran da. >> was the back passenger window sd still down? >> yes, it was. >> could a gun barrel be pointed out there? >> absolutely. it was at a 45. >> 45, you mean the angle? >> yes, sir. >> not the firearm. >> correct. >> at that point, what was going through your mind in terms of fear? were you still in imminent fear? >> absolutely. >> what was your purpose of shooting into that vehicle at that angle? >> to keep their heads down, to keep them from shooting blindly. >> again, at this point now, you know there is at least -- >> four. >> do you know what they have in that car? >> no. i know there is at least one weapon. now, i've got three, four potential shooters. >> again, how many are you? >> one.

>> at that point, let me ask you this. after you fire the round from the back to keep their heads down, do you unload your clip? it is a common term, you just keep shooting until everything is gone. >> no, i did not. >> why did you stop firing and at what point did you stop fire sng. >> i stopped firing when it appeared that the threat was over. >> they were far enough away where they couldn't shoot back. >> they were far enough away where they couldn't shoot back effectively and i certainly couldn't aim effectively. >> were you even trying to continue to shoot as they were driving away? >> no. >> at that point, what was your next focus on immediately after that? >> getting rhonda and myself to safety. >> did you try to return into the store? >> no. >> when you turned around, who was standing there? >> rhonda. >> what did you say to her? >> i said, get in the car, we've got to go. >> what did she do? >> she twot in tgot in the car. >> at that point, did you know where that red suv went?

>> no. i lost sight of the red suv and i thought they turned on to that main road, whatever goes north there, i think. i really wasn't that familiar with the way the parking lot works but when they turned the corner and took off, i thought they were on south side. >> at that point, did you have any type of mental thought or retaliation or them coming back? >> yes. i was worried them coming back and maybe possibly they had friends in the area doing retaliation. >> was it a busy gas station with a lot of people there? >> yes. >> did you look around and start asking people, are you friendly, are you not friendly? >> no, no, no, just got out. >> at that point, what is still your mental state of you being in fear of that situation? >> i'm still in a panic. i'm still in -- we're in a very dangerous spot.

i mean, i just got my life threatened because i asked them to turn the music down. now, i shot at them. so now what are they going to do? >> again, it is your belief they still have weapons in that vehicle? >> absolutely. >> at that point, emotionally, physically, do you notice any differences about your body physically? >> i'm shaking. i'm quivering like a leaf. >> had you ever experienced those feelings about have? >> no, this is all new. >> how was rhonda once you explained to her what happened or did you explain to her or try to in the vehicle? >> i tried to. she was hysterical. >> were you still shaking and panicking? >> i wasn't much better. >> okay. so was it a little bit difficult for you to verbal looize clearl we are today? >> i tried to get out the fact

that they were threatening me and advancing on me. i tried to get out the fact that they were armed. but it was difficult to say the least. >> was that because of your mental state? >> both of ours. >> now, how far away -- did it take you a long time to get back to the hotel? >> no, not at all. do you even remember the ride back? >> i don't remember pulling in. >> you heard rhonda testify she got out of the car, jumped out and ran in? do you recall that? >> vaguely. >> do you recall what parking spot you parked in. >> no. >> do you recall where in the parking lot vicinity you park snd. >> no. once she runs in, she is still visibly upset, obviously? >> yes sherk, she was. >> is there any communication about what you are going to do and why? >> no, no, no. >> what do you do in terms of your firearm?

>> i safed it. i took the magazine out and then i took the shell that was in the barrel out. i put it back into the magazine. >> did you have a little bit difficult time, your hands still shaking? >> i think i dropped stuff. >> at that point, were you even worried about grabbing it and shaking of what might happen? >> i was being very delicate. >> in terms of your emotional state at that point, were you worried about being followed, i don't mean by police. people trying to find you to hurt you. >> absolutely. we were staying at a hotel that has like a club room at the top floor. we were there looking out the windows like a waking nightmare. every car was a red suv. i mean, to us. we were just -- you have to

understand, we didn't know anybody had been hurt. we thought we had just made them go away and that they were going to come back. >> at this point, have you ever been in any type of situation, even remotely similar? >> objection, asked and answered. >> stained. sus sustained. >> no. >> have you had any type of counseling to deal with this? no. >> did you think you would need it? >> no, never. >> how was rhonda's demeanor once you were upstairs? >> she was a wreck. >> how was your demeanor once you got upstairs. i wasn't much better but i, you know, i needed to hold it together for both of us. >> were you trying to do that for her? >> yes, i was. >> did you see her testify the other day? >> yes. >> would that be very similar to how she was acting the other

night? >> that was calm compared to fa night. >> she was much worse that night? >> yes, she was. >> obviously, sitting here today, you are still visibly upset? >> yes. >> would you say this is probably calm to how you were reacting that night? >> i think i'm more emotional now than i was that night. i was trying to be stoic. i had difficulty processing what was going on. >> were you trying to comfort your fiancee? >> yes, i was. >> at some point, did she even have to go get air because you were -- >> smothering her? >> yes. >> yes. >> trying to get her to breath and relax. >> yes. >> jundge, leading. >> mr. stro ldelo, don't leez. >> i was trying to get her to relax and stop hyperventilation and calm down. i was explaining to her it was self-defense. we were not in trouble with the

police. we might be in trouble with the local gangsters but not -- i didn't do anything wrong. >> let me ask you this. at some point, did you take charlie down stairs to use the bathroom? >> yes. we went upstairs and she changed. we were both wearing eveningwear. i took charlie down to go potty. by the time i got up, she had just finished changing. >> let me ask you this. we kind of talked about walking the dog. did you take charlie out for a walk? >> no. i took him to just go potty. he was ready to go. >> did you walk him around the parking lot? >> no. this wasn't an exercise walk. this was just to go potty. >> can you explain to the jury once you go down stairs in the hotel, where is this area that the animals and the pets could

use the bathroom? >> it was right outside the door. right around the building. >> was it in front open to the public on a public road? >> no. it was kind of like to the side. >> was it extremely close, you said, right outside that door? >> yes. >> did charlie have to use the bathroom? >> yes, it was immediate. >> did you let charlie walk around and smell the grass or play? >> no. i didn't want to be outside right then. >> did you immediately pick up charlie and go back to the room? >> yes, we did. yes, i did. excuse me. >> at some point, there was some discussion about ordering a pizza. please tell the jury who ordered the pizza. >> well, i made the phone call but it was rhonda hadn't -- rhonda didn't eat a lot for dinner. rhonda was upset and her stomach was in knots and i suggested

maybe she needed something to eat, to put in her stomach. >> did she agree with that? >> she did in theory. >> who actually got the information to order the pizza? >> i believe rhonda did. >> at that point, did you go down stairs to get it? >> yes. >> duid you have to go outside and meet somebody outside in the public parking lot? >> no. it was in the lobby. >> is that lobby secured and locked? >> yes, it is. >> explain to the jury how that area works? >> rhonda started talking about a key card? the elevator is locked. you have to have a room key to operate the elevator. >> so the pizza guy couldn't come up. >> correct. >> again, did you ever go outside other than the area of the elevator to get that pizza. >> no, i did not. >> when you brought the pizza up, did miss roue prchlt try to eat the pizza? she did. she tried to eat a slice. >> did you eat any of the pizza?

>> no. i had no appetite. >> at that point, you guys still had some alcoholic beverages in the room you could make? >> yes, we did. >> did you make them? >> yes, i did. >> can you tell the jury was it to have a night cap and put your head on a pillow and watch a movie? >> no. it was trying to calm down, trying to -- we were both so upset. >> at that point, were your hands still shaky? >> absolutely. >> was your body still shaky? >> yes, it was. >> what about miss rouer? >> she was quaking. >> visibly? >> visibly quaking. >> is that the reason why you poured alcohol? >> yes, it is. >> at some point. let me ask you this. did you guys keep drinking all night long? >> no. i think it was the one we had. >> were you toasting each other, hey, what a beautiful day? >> not at that point. >> was there any type of joy or occasion of what a wonderful

day, let's have a drink, anything at all in those lines? >> no, no. it was all, we were stunned and horrified and just couldn't believe that things escalated the way they did over a common courtesy. >> at any time, talking about that, of escalating, at any time, did you ever raise your voice to the men in the suv? >> i think when i said -- >> other than that, no. >> did you ever curse at the men in the suv? >> other than the last thing i said, no. >> did you ever say anything derogatory at all to the guys in the suv? >> no. i did not. not even when they were saying derogatory things towards me. >> now, at some point, does miss rouer fall asleep? >> yeah. that was around midnight.

>> were you able to sleep? >> i fell asleep around 5:00 a.m. >> why was it so hard for you to fall asleep? >> i was still processing the emotions and trying to make sense of what happened. >> at this point, are you still upset or shaken? >> i'm upset and shaken and, again, we still don't know about the death. it is just a shooting at this point. >> at some time, though, in the middle of the evening or the middle of that night, you do learn that somebody had passed away? >> yes. i used my phone. we didn't have a computer with us. i would have been watching the channels for news. i found on my phone where they talked about that. >> can you tell the jury what you saw on your phone that led you to believe that? >> i don't remember exactly what it said. it was something about the shooting on the south side. it showed a fatality.

>> obviously, they use the word fatality. you know what that means. >> yes. >> can you tell the jury how you reacted when you saw that on the phone is. >> i ran to the bathroom. >> tell the jury why you ran to the bathroom? >> i vomited. >> at that point, had you had any food in your system since the dinner at the wedding? >> not since dinner. >> at that point, did you decide to put on a movie or eat pizza? >> no. >> how long were you in that bathroom sick to your stomach? >> all the rest of the night until i think i was finally able to lay down around 5:00. >> what time -- did you have a great sleep? >> did you sleep in until 9:0010:00 in the morning? >> no, we were up at 7:00. >> where were you when miss rouer woke up? >> i was in the bathroom trying to get clean. i was taking a shower. >> because of what you had

experienced physically that night? >> yes. >> what did you hear miss rouer say to you? >> well, i guess the tv was on and she saw the news report and that's where she was calling me. >> how was she calling you? was it just a soft, hey -- >> no. it was hysterical. >> do you recall what she said when she said that to you or how she called you? >> yeah. she said my name three times. >> at that point, you knew she was awake? >> yes, i did. >> did you go out of the bathroom to talk with her? >> i did. i went out and i gave her a hug and i told her i know. >> at that point, what did miss rouer say to you immediately after that hug? >> take me home. >> how many times did she say that to you? >> multiple times, three, four times. >> was there inflection in her

voice or was she calm about it? >> she was quaking. >> was it safe to say based on your knowledge and he cexperien was she panicking? >> she was panicking and almost mute. she couldn't really talk to say take me home. >> at that point, did you leave the hotel? >> yeah. we checked out at 8:00. we were up at 7:00 and out of there. >> and you still had to get your things together and get charlie? >> it took about that long to get together. >> at some point, did you guys decide, hey, let's go have breakfast? >> no. >> let's go have coffee and orange juice? >> no. we had plans to spend the afternoon with my son in st. augustine. that was off the table as well. >> so if you wanted to leave jacksonville, you could have actually -- you had a reservation at a bed and breakfast in st. augustine. >> yes. >> did you go there, stop there? >> no. >> did you even go to look to

see it, maybe we will stay here and hang out? >> no. we had -- >> what were your intentions after speaking with rhonda at that moment? >> well, we were gonna go back to brevard where we live. i have a neighbor who is in law enforcement. >> is that mr. ken laskolet. >> yeah. he is in washington, d.c. >> did you make a phone call to your neighbor ken laskolet? >> yes. we left the hotel at 8:00. i was calling ken at 8:30. >> what was your intent or your purpose to talk to ken or call ken? >> well, ken is a federal law enforcement official, he knows me personally. i figured if i went and i talked to him,i knew he had friends in the local brevard county sheriff

where we could go together and i could speak to my hometown sheriff to tell them what happened and, you know, hopefully, they would listen to my side. >> did you know anybody in law enforcement in jacksonville, florida? >> no. >> did you still have contacts with the guys on the navy base in jacksonville, florida? >> no. >> again, in terms of your mental state, were you your normal self at this point? >> no, not even close. >> as we sit here today, 15 months later, are you even remotely close to how you were that morning? >> no. >> do you recall the drive back from jacksonville to home? >> it was a 2 1/2 hour drive. it went -- it was over in the blink of an eye. >> was there a whole lot of discussion and talking between you and miss rouer? >> no. she was mute the whole time. >> did it appear she was still visibly shaken up? >> absolutely. >> again, was she crying and sobbing in parts of this trip?

>> yes, she was. she had fits of silence, fits of sobbing. >> obviously, did this play into your mind of you still being upset? >> yes. again, i knew i had done nothing wrong but it was hard to get her to understand this. at the time, i was more concerned with her, getting her taken care of and go to the law enforcement later? >> did you have any belief or inclination you were going to be accused of murder? >> absolutely not. >> did you still have a pilot's license november, 2012? >> yes. >> still valid, the day you were arrested? >> yes. >> did you lose the ability to fly a plane? >> no. i had a valid passport as well. >> and you had money in the bank? >> yes. >> and you still had friends

that you knew where they lived. you could drive to their house if they had an airplane? >> yes. >> sustained. >> let me ask you this, mr. dunn. did you still have friends, if at all, that owned airplanes, november, 2012? >> several. >> did you drive to their house? >> no, i did not. >> did you call them? >> no, i did not. >> did you ask anybody to try to fly you to the bahamas or another country or anything like that? >> no, i did not. >> did you contact the airlines? >> no, i did not. >> did you contact a car rental place? >> no. >> did you even try to stop anywhere to use your credit card? did you do anything to buy a bus pass or anything like that? >> no, i did not. >> did you get ahold of ken lascolet when you called there at 8:30 in the morning? >> i did. the purpose of my call was to make sure he was going to be home. i told him i would be there about 10:30. i had something very important to discuss with him. i wanted to make sure he was going to be there. >> okay. did he indicate to you he would

be there to talk to you? >> yes. and he was. >> when you got home, you saw some pictures of where you guys used to live. do you recall seeing those pictures? >> i do. there was a little bluish/silver truck outside. whose car was that? >> that's rhonda's. >> where does miss rouer normally park? >> right where that car was at. >> where do you normally park? >> in the garage. >> why do you keep yours in the garage? >> hers is bigger. mine is new. >> it is only a little one-car garage? >> right. >> i saw some things on the walls on the side. why are those there? >> those are like door protecters for the bumpers. are those in lane with exactly where your door would open? >> yeah. i installed those. >> when you pulled in, did you cloth close the garage? >> no. >> did you try to conceal your vehicle? >> absolutely not. >> did you go try to ditch your

vehicle somewhere else and have somebody pick you up? >> no. >> when you get home, what's the first thing you and rhonda do? >> we unloaded the dog. >> where did you go after that? >> i went, headed out to the backyard and that's how i would get to my neighbor's? >> and kind of explain for the jury, because we don't get a lot of pictures of your neighborhood. it is where all the doors face the front like a regular house or are the doors on the side or the back? >> most of the front doors face the road. the back doors face the ocean. the side units, the front door is actually on the side. >> where is mr. lascolet? >> he is on the side. he has a back door. >> what's the easiest path to get to his house? >> the -- >> have you done that before? >> yes. >> have you socialized before? >> yes. >> so to walk to that back door was not going to surprise him? >> no.

that was the usual. >> at some point before you went over to mr. lascolet's house after unloading charlie, did miss rouer get a phone call? >> yes, she did. her phone rang and it is was a 904 area code. we assumed it was my son calling and i answered. >> when you answered the phone, did you try to disguise your voice? >> no. >> did you troo i y to muffle i say, hey, don't use my name? >> no, absolutely not. >> when you answered, who was on the phone? >> it was detective musser. >> did he tell you who he was or just say it was the detective of jacksonville? >> detective musser, homicide detective from jacksonville. >> what was the first thing you said to him? >> i know why you were calling? >> it was self-defense. i am on my way to a law enforcement officer's home right now. my intention is to make my

report to the brevard county sheriff's. >> what did detective musser respond, say i am on my way to law enforcement to make my report? >> he said that was a good idea. i had about ten minutes to be on my way. >> you were already walking out the back door to your neighbor? >> i was. >> when you got to his house, how close of a walk is it? is it a mile away? >> oh, no. it is three units away, 30, 40 feet. >> when you get there, is he there to open the door and greet you? >> yes, he was. >> do you advise him of what happened in jacksonville? >> yes. without going into a lot of detail, i just kind of told him the blunt facts that were involved in the shooting and somebody is dead. >> did you ask him for assistance of saying, i want to contact the brevard county sheriff's office? >> i did. i made sure he knew it was a self-defense situation. >> duff your firearm on you? >> no.

it was in my car. >> did you try to get rid of the firearm? >> did you try to hide it, anything like that? >> no. >> as a matter of fact, when you walked away from your car, you left it in your garage? >> correct. >> was your garage still open? >> when i walked away, it was. >> now, do you know that miss rouer tried to follow you or was behind you? >> she showed up at ken's eventually. >> at some point, were you in your neighbor's house drinking a glass of water? >> yes, i was. >> was mr. lescolet on the phone? >> yes. he had a business card for one of the local sheriff deputies. we met him. i don't remember his last name but that was the gentlemen. so he was calling to speak to that detective or deputy specifically because he had personal knowledge. >> and that was somebody mr. lescolet could trust. >> yes. >> durin that conversation and don't go into what mr. lescolet

is on the phone, is it obvious he is talking to law enforcement? >> yes. >> at some point, does the phone ring again for miss rouer? >> rhonda's phone rang and now it is a 321 area code. that's the local for where we were at. it was the brevard county deputy sheriff on the phone for me. >> and then did you get on the phone and talk. >> i spoke with him. >> what did he say to you when you got on the phone? did you describe to disguise your voice or your name? >> no. >> what did you say? did he give you instructions? >> he did. i was a little confused, because i thought ken, mr. lescolet, was on the phone speaking with him and he was here at our request but he was actually there to execute a high-risk arrest. >> did he tell you that on the phone? >> well, he said i need you to come outside with your shirt off

and your hands up. >> when you said high-risk arrest, that's because the witness that testified was that same one? >> yeah. i just learned that today or the other day, sorry. >> so he didn't say that to you on the phone. >> you are right. he said i want you to come outside with your shirt off and your hands up. >> did you ever say anything back to him or resist in any way, saying, i'm not coming out? >> no. >> what did you do with your shirt? >> took it off. >> what did you do with the phone? >> set it down. >> what did you did with your person? >> i went outside. >> when you walked outside, you walked outside ken's front door or did you walk out his back door? >> i went out his front door, which is the side. >> that would be closest to the road? >> well, actually, it was -- there was a wall dividing our area with another condo. so it was closest to a wall on the north side of the compound. >> let me ask you this. if you wanted to flee, could you have hopped that

let me ask you, tell the jury, why you think that. when you walked outside of ken's house, what direction was the county sheriff's office facing? >> they were facing my front door. >> were you actually behind them? >> yeah, he has an extended cab pickup truck so it's like 30 feet long, so i had to walk past the truck to get out to the parking lot. and that put me 20 feet behind the sheriffs. >> and because they were focused on your unit. >> yes, with rifles. >> all right. and at that point, did they know you were behind them? >> i high -- they did not until i announced my presence. >> did you try to run? >> no. >> did you try to flee or hop a wall at that point? >> no. >> okay. at that point, how did you get their attention? >> i think i called out to them. >> okay. >> i don't recall what i said, but it was something like "i'm over here." >> okay. and did that take them off guard when they turned around? >> very much so.

they seemed surprised. >> okay. and, again, you're standing there with your shirt off? >> in my hand. >> as instructsed by law enforcement. >> yes, sir. and what instructions did they give you at that point? if you recall. >> i think they wanted me to kneel with my ankles crossed. >> and did you do that? >> yes, i did. >> did you comply with all of their instructions? >> everything. >> did you ever resist, become aggressive, verbally challenge them, anything? >> no, i had no reason to. >> okay. at some point, did they put you in the back of a patrol vehicle? >> yes. >> did they take you to the brevard county sheriff's office? >> they d. >> okay. did they tell you why? >> i'm sure they did. >> do you recall what they said? >> no. >> what was your state of mind at that point? >> well, after -- what happened the night before and the two hours of sleep, i think it's safe to say i was not in my

normal state. i don't know how to describe. it was a surreal experience, to say the least. >> okay. had you ever been in that mental or emotional state your entire adult life? >> never. never had anything traumatic like that happen. >> okay. and at some point, were you put into an interview room? >> i was. >> okay. and obviously they had cameras, you could see they had recording devices? >> yeah, the cameras were fairly obvious. >> okay. and how long did they make you sit there by yourself? >> it was hard to judge time at this -- i mean, i can tell how long an hour is, but not that day. oench >> okay. and at some point, do detectives come in from the jacksonville sheriff's office. >> yes. >> and detective musser? >> right. and detective oliver the other. >> and did they ask you to give a statement? >> they did. >> did you talk to them? >> i spoke to them freely. i had nothing to hide.

>> were you cooperative with them? >> yes. >> were you trying to be evasive? >> no, i was not. >> were you sarcastic? >> no. >> were you rude? >> no. >> were you disrespectful? >> not even a little. >> and at that point, did you even know that they had already had a warrant for your arrest for murder? >> no, i did not. >> nothing further, your honor. >> mr. guy. cross examination. >> mr. dunn, you love rhonda rou rouer. >> yes, sir, i do. >> you love her a lot, right? >> yes, sir, i do. >> and you loved her back then,

correct? >> i love her today. >> november 23rd, 2012, you were in love with her. >> yes, sir. >> you cared about her. >> yes, sir. >> right. and when she got into that car, she asked you, what happened, right? >> yes, sir. >> and you told this jury, you explained it to her, right? >> yes, i did. >> and she -- as you said, was a wreck. right? >> yes, she was. >> because she knew that you had just fired into a car with human beings inside. >> she doesn't understand self defense. but you are right. she was very upset over what i had done. >> right, right. and so you guys were together for three miles, and she was hysterical? >> crying, yes. >> right. you did not tell her during that three miles anyone pointed any weapon at you, did you? >> i think i did. i think i was very clear that they threatened my life.

i was very clear that they came out of their car, advancing upon me. and whether she comprehended what i was saying, i couldn't say. >> my question was, did you tell her they had a weapon of any kind? >> yes, i did. >> you did. what did you tell her? tell the jury the term you used to describe the weapon. >> i don't know what i said, but i told her that they had a weapon, they threatened my life, and they were -- they -- he advanced upon me. >> how did you describe the weapon? did you say they had sword? did you say they had a machete? >> a gun. >> gun. you ooused the word gun with rhonda rawer. >> yes, i did. >> when? >> multiple times. [ inaudible ] >> one at a time, mr. guy. >> sir, are you telling this jury that on the way back to the hotel, you told rhonda rouer

that the boys in the car had a gun? >> if i told her on the way to the hotel, i told her several times at the hotel. i told her several times on the way home. that this was self defense. >> that wasn't my question. >> well, the whole conversation revolved around gun, threat. they came out of the car at me. so it wasn't just they had a gun. because when he just had a gun, i didn't shoot him. it wasn't until he made specific threats and got out of his car and came after me. >> okay. >> so all of that was part of the conversation. >> all right. i'm going to take this in little tiny increments now. from the time you left the gate station to the time you got to the sheridan, how many times did you use the word "gun" to describe -- let me finish -- what the boys in the car had? >> i couldn't tell you. >> was it more than one? >> at least one.

>> okay. and when you got back to the hotel, she was still a wreck, right? >> that's correct. >> she was upset? >> that's correct. >> she didn't go into the room, right? she was sitting up on the elevator. >> she went into the room to change, and then we went out to the club room. >> right. and she -- as she testified, was waiting for the police to come, right? >> well, we were waiting for the red suv to come. now, that's what i was waiting for. i couldn't tell you what she was waiting for. but that was what -- that was the sentiment that i understood that she was waiting for. retaliation. >> okay. we'll get back to that. the suv. how many times during that time did you tell her they had a gun? >> i don't think we discussed it, because we were in a public area. >> okay. well, you did go back to your room, correct? >> i'm talking about in the club room. >> i understand. now i'm talking about you go back to your room, right? >> right.

>> she was still a wreck. >> yes, she was. >> okay. tell the members of the jury how many times you said to her, "they had a gun." >> at least once. >> and when she woke up, she heard that somebody had been killed, right? >> yes, she did. >> okay. tell the jury how many times you told her at that point, "don't worry, honey, they had a gun." >> i didn't say that. >> the truth is, mr. dunn, you never told rhonda rouer ever -- >> your honor -- [ inaudible ] >> that's incorrect. >> hang on. >> counsel testifying -- [ inaudible ] >> cross-examination, mr. strolla. overruled. >> mr. dunn, the truth is, you never told the love of your life that those boys had a gun. >> you weren't there. >> did you? you did tell her that? >> i said "you were not there." >> i get that.

i know that. the truth is, you didn't tell her about a gun, did you? >> i mentioned the gun. >> mr. strolla, if you want to object, please stand up and make the objection loudly so everybody will stop. of. >> asked and answered, your honor. >> i don't think it's been answered. >> at this hour, you've been watching special coverage on cnn. watching inside a jacksonville, florida, courtroom. compelling testimony on the stand right now michael dunn, a 47-year-old, accused of shooting and killing a 17-year-old teen. jordan davis. he is being cross-examined by the prosecution at this hour and has been really compelling to hear the cross-examination. >> he made the case to the defense that he was acting in self defense. he said he felt threatened by the teens who were in the car. he claimed to have seen a weapon there. now, of course, what you're hearing is the prosecution going after him in cross. and it is getting quite hostile, quite quickly. the judge has had to step in a few times to calm things down. you be you can watch this throughout the day on cnn.

we will continue our coverage. right now, though, we go to washington, d.c. and wolf blitzer with special coverage of president obama along with french president francois hollande in a joint news hollande in a joint news conference there. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, i'm wolf blitzer in washington. we'll continue to monitor that trial, the riveting testimony that's under way right now. but this edition of "legal view" will begin with a presidential news conference. today we get not one, but two presidents, president obama is hosting the president of france, francois hollande, in the first state visit by a foreign leader in almost two years to washington. state visits, of course, the most sought after invitation in world affairs. speaking of affairs, president hollande is traveling solo this time, having just broken up with his long-time companion in light of a rumored fling with a younger actress. so don't expect any of that necessarily to come up during the course of the news conference due to get under way any moment now. live coverage coming