these hidden camera videos as much as the next guy. but maybe just maybe let's do some of them i don't know in cleveland for awhile. in the meantime we new yorkers are a savvy lot. we get it. we'll be on the lookout from now on always for unmanned strollers carrying puking demon babies for zombies in the subway grates. we're ready for anything on "the ridiculist." that does it for us. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. >> next, major blow to chris christie's critics. a crucial piece of evidence against him untrue. plus the star of "dirty jobs" under fire for teaming up with walmart. critics say he has totally sold out. and a look inside philip seymour hoffman's private diary. reportedly he describes in detail the demons that drove him to drugs. let's go "outfront." good evening to all of you. i'm erin burnett. a rare evening of glitz and glamour at the white house.

president obama and the first lady are hosting a state dinner for the french president francois hollande. it's the first state dinner in almost two years. right now you're looking at a live picture. guests have been arriving on the red carpet, the most red carpet can get. bradley cooper, there have been movie stars. this is the excitement of a dinner like this. we're still waiting for the formal picture of the president and first lady, the dress she wears. hollande's arrival covered in every detail for you as we're monitoring that this hour. we're going to be going there to the live star-studded guest list. we have the menu and how much the shindig costs taxpayers we're always looking at that angle. coming up this hour "outfront." as we get ready for the big photo op, i want to get to the other top story, which is massive witch hunt. democrats versus chris christie. today another blow for the accusers. this one comes down to helicopters. the new jersey state police now

say the three helicopter flights that governor christie took during the week of those lane closures of the gorge washington bridge didn't go over or anywhere near the bridge. that is crucial. it means the governor did not actually have a sight line to the traffic. you may say could the story get any more petty. if he saw it, then that could mean he had something to do with it. democrats in new jersey investigating the governor's role were hoping, of course, for a different outcome on the helicopter flights as they're hunting for a smoking gun to bring the governor down. meanwhile, christie is in chicago doing more fund-raising and attempting to go about business as usual. dana bash is with the governor. dana, is the governor having any success on that front today of trying to make this not the issue? >> well, he had an hour-long session at the economic club of chicago here. it was a pretty prominent public event for any politician, but particularly for chris christie,

given what he's doing. he only had one question. it was a friendly forum, aaron. the guy doing the questioning happens to be somebody who christie appointed to the board of governors in rutgers university. that might have something to do with it. he used that one question, that one chance to try to frame the scandal as a plus actually, as a plus in that he has handled in a way that should have -- give people some confidence in him. listen to what he said. >> if you're a leader, you have to try to get a handle on the story and then take decisive action, which we did by letting people go and talking to the public about it. we're in the midst of an internal review now. whatever that will review discloses, we're going to release to the public. if there's more action that needs to be taken, i'll take it. >> he also said the past six weeks haven't been easy. i'm sure that's an understatement, erin. he certainly tried to move on and to talk about the things that made him a national figure before this scandal erupted. things like why washington is

broken, blaming both parties for that and talking in pretty blunt terms about what his republican party will need to do to get back the white house without exactly saying anything about his own plans, which, of course is what everybody wants to know but he doesn't want to go there for obvious reasons. >> i guess everyone assumes he's going to run. i know the republican governors association is trying to set him up for that and they announced today he's raised $1.5 million on his recent swing through texas for the republican governors association. and $6 million in the month of january. they say more than twice as much that ever raised during the same month. you know, i am skeptical of the numbers. january versus january is not the right comparison. you know the reality is this spin or a sign that christie is emerging the victor here, the guy that can get the money? >> i actually think it's a little bit of both. it can be, believe it or not,

because certainly the fact that they are putting this out there, that they are letting us know as you said that $6 million figure from last month. they want to make it clear that he still has fund-raising prowess which is the main job of any republican governors association chair, to raise money for all the governors all across the country who are up for re-election. as soon as he doesn't have that ability, you can bet that he will be in trouble with that job. so far it looks like he's not in that kind of trouble. at the same time, you know, he has had meetings with donors, obviously he's doing fund-raising, another main reason he's here. he has had meetings with donors here in florida and texas. and at this point, we've heard a lot of rumblings about the fact that people, some people looking at him as a 2016 candidate are keeping their powder dry. they want to know if there's another shoe to drop with regard to the scandal. but i think you can bet that at least in the short term, he is

raking in the dough at least in the last month and probably the next couple of months if nothing else people want to know what he has to say about the scandal he's embroiled in right now. >> we all sort of have that u.s. weekly thing about us. joining me now is bill kristol. and chris kofinis. chris, let me start with you. when is enough enough on this? democrats in new jersey have this committee looking into this. both chairs are both democrats looking for a smoking gun since october. so far they have not found one. regardless of the look and feel of the administration and the damage that could have been done from that, the reality of did he lie or not, there has been no smoking gun. it's starting to feel like a witch hunt, isn't it. >> no, i don't think it's a witch hunt. you have a situation where as we all know, the governor's staff basically orchestrated a bridge closing to punish political targets.

so the question becomes not only just in terms of what the governor knew, but how does he run his administration? i think these investigations are ongoing. there's multiple ones. when they come out with the reports, we'll know exactly what he knew or what he didn't. at the end of the day, i think there's a bigger part to this. the bigger question for me is how did he not know? how was it possible that he didn't know that his staff was doing this? i can tell you having worked with governors, it is a very closed club in terms of how they work with their staff. the notion somehow a deputy chief of staff was on their own doing this and never percolated up is probably more damning than almost the fact that he didn't know. >> i mean, look, i hear your point. bill is there any way he didn't know, given the way chris says it, regardless of whether there is the smoking gun e-mail that says here's the proof? >> sure, it's possible he didn't know what his staff was doing. that happens in life or maybe he did know. we'll find out. that's why we're having investigations.

what strikes me is how pathetic desperate the democrats are and terrified what happens happening in the country. obamacare is a fiasco. republicans have finally kind of got their act together. they're pushing interesting conservative reform ideas. speaker boehner i think deftly has managed to get the debt ceiling through the house. that's not going to be an issue. the republicans can't be accused of shutting down the government. >> and though boehner said he would never do any such thing. >> politics requires you to be flexible. look, he did what he had to do. he doesn't have much leverage on then issue. they got it through. the republicans won't be responsible for a government shutdown or a default. they're not going to kill themselves on immigration. we can focus on obamacare, the democrats main achievement. >> i just want you all to know what's on our screen for viewers. this is the president and first lady.

this is the formal picture at the state dinner. this is a very special and important state dinner for the president of france, francois hollande. we haven't seen him yet. that's the gown michele chose to wear. i do not yet know who designed it. i can tell you there was speculation it might be a french-american designer, sophie theallet. but i do not know. i'm only saying with speculation that's what it might be. it is an absolutely beautiful blue color. and it looks like this is -- is this going to be the limo with hollande? i think it is. just because i like the pomp and circumstance, gentlemen, i hope you'll bear with us. so viewers can see the formal greeting of how this happens. here he is going for the formal greeting with the president and the first lady. you hear that whirring in the background? that is the photographs around the world. this is the formal picture they are taking. now, of course, the big scene here was how he has arrived stag

without a date. we will have much more on that in a bit and much more of course, on what i admit everyone does love to talk about which is the first lady's attire. let's just go back to this chris christie conversation. bill, you are trying to defend him here. but i'm just curious. today the governor sent out another e-mail to supporters vilifying "the new york times" which to its credit has admitted to some inaccurate reporting or they didn't like the tone of some of the reporting. but why is he still sending out e-mails in anger about it, given that? doesn't that show a penchant for vengeance? >> i don't know if it's vengeance. he's just criticizing. i don't think he's necessarily the front-runner for the republican nomination. i'm just amused at the democrats' desperate desire to make chris christie the main story in america today when something happened. we don't what christie knew or did.

we're going to find out. the democrats are desperate to keep talking about it. >> thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. there will be more on this conversation i can promise you, pathetically desperate or not. still to come, a look inside the private diary of philip seymour hoffman. he reportedly wrote quite a bit about drug deels and demons. we have the details tonight. and the man at the center of the so-called loud music trial testifies why he says he fired his gun into a vehicle full of teens. and the most dramatic video of the day, a suspect trying to elude police gets taken down hard. we'll show you the video, and was this really racist? >> did you get a lot of reaction to that super bowl commercial? >> we don't all look alike. choose two melt-in-your mouth entrees, like new parmesan crusted chicken, 3 courses, 2 people, just $25 at olive garden! also enjoy weekday signature favorites, four classic pastas, now just $10!

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new details tonight from the private diaries of philip seymour hoffman. according to nbc news, the 46-year-old oscar winner's private thoughts reveal that he was troubled by demons, struggled to control them with narcotics anonymous meetings and was addicted to heroin. hoffman is believed to have died from a heroin overdose after police found him with a needle in his arm february 2nd. multiple sources familiar with the contents of the diaries say the late actor's entries and i want to quote here, hard to read with scribbled lines, sentences that ran into each other implying he could have been keeping it and maintaining it as he was actually under the influence of heroin.

bob forrester is a recovering addict and a counselor on "celebrity rehab." let me start with this question of the demons. that could mean a lot of things. it could be a general thing or something specific. he was seeing, having been through this, anyone who suffers an addiction obviously is battling demons. but what do you think the so-called demons that an addict saw might have been? >> well, what happens is the person's priorities in life become all distorted and out of whack. so though you care about your family, you find yourself caring about drugs. and though you care about your job, you find yourself caring more about getting the money in order to get drugs. and so it just disregulates everything about the person's priorities and their personality and what's important to them. and that's what you can't see that when it's happening, you can't see what it is that's driving it. it's the drugs and your quest for them.

>> and you know, it seems these diaries obviously are going to be incredibly candid and personal. and a look into his mind that we don't often get. according to nbc's reporting, hoffman was almost writing in a stream of consciousness. it makes reference to specific drug deals. a person named frank and a 15-year-old girl from texas. we have no idea who these people are. is this someone he met in rehab or what that might have been. what does that sound like to you? sort of what you would expect, given that it seems he was keeping this during a time he was fighting heroin? >> it seems like he had a history of recovery. so when somebody relapses, you have this ability to understand what's happening to you, but not stop it. and so there's -- a friend of mine did the same thing, a very famous mu vision musician who relapsed and started documents his life on videotape. and in this depth that you're going through.

and it's a strange narcissism that addicts are. that's what i call it, a strange narcissism because it's a self-destructive narcissism. >> it's interesting you say that. when i hear you saying that, i'm thinking the only thing worse it would seem than being addicted would be being addicted and knowing what you were doing to yourself and not being able to stop it. that's actually worse would be having that knowledge. we know he went into rehab in 2013 and supposedly, who knows, had been clean for two decades before that. but do you think i -- what's your view on that? does that make sense that you could be clean for 20 or 23 years as i know it's reported and suddenly he could have descended into this? >> yeah, certainly. it's happening all over the united states in the recovery community because of prescription drugs mostly. it's happened to a lot of my friends. i had two friends that had 14 years and 12 years end up, you know, as you age, you end up hurting your back snowboarding and you get a surgery, and the

next thing you know, you're in the situation that this man was in. it's -- they say in the 12 step world there's no worse place to be than to have a belly full of beer and a head full of aa. and that is this spot that you're finding more and more sober americans returning back to. >> bob, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. should am yule l. jackson be outraged? he slammed sam ruben for confusing the robo cop star with another actor, laurence fishburne. >> did you get a lot of reaction to that super bowl xher natural >> what super bowl commercial. >> you know what? my mistake. >> you're as crazy as the people on twitter. i'm not laurence fishburne. >> that was my fault. i know that. >> we don't all look alike! >> i am guilty. i am guilty.

>> he bought you were bob dylan. >> you're the entertainment reporter? you're the entertainment reporter for this station and you don't know the difference between me and laurence fishburne? >> i'm sitting here with don lemon. ruben later apologized and said the obvious, he was hugely embarrassed. >> i pride myself on the fact that unlike a lot of people who do this kind of work, more often than not, i do know what i'm talking about. but i didn't 30 minutes ago and i'm embarrassed about it and i apologize to samuel l. jackson and nip else who was offended for a very amateur mistake. >> you've been mistaken for another anchor that used to work here, t.j. holmes. and you used to joke about it. >> i just texted him and said, where are you? i was going to bring him on and

have him pretend to be me. he would send a text to me sometimes saying, the lady in terminal b, who checks tickets, is going to be really mad at you because i called her don and i ignored her. sometimes people call me, it doesn't happen frequently now, i would just say i'm don or i'm the other black guy. or nice to meet you, i'm t.j. or people say to me, you look just like don lemon. and i would say, i am don lemon. >> now, here's the thing about this. when this happened, samuel l. jackson handled it so beautifully. a study in the american psychological association, people are awful at recognizing

faces from other races. i have an infant at home. he spends all day having to stare at my face when i don't have hair and makeup. he's getting used to that set of features we are so used to. when someone looks as a different face structure, we blend them together. >> when someone is in our tribe. it's easier. this is just me talking. when someone is in our tribe, it's easiest for us to tell them apart because we're used to their facial features or the little differences or the mannerisms what have you. when someone's in a different tribe, sometimes it's harder. let's be honest. i'm probably going to get in trouble here. people do look alike. there are features that african-americans have that are similar. there are features that white people have that are similar, so if you're not used to seeing that tribe -- last time i was in a restaurant. i was asking him for food. he said i don't really eat meat. i said are you from india? he goes close. i started thinking about it, and i said bangladesh. he said good, yes.

i'm from bangladesh. we try to figure it out. people look similar. >> well, it's true. you can say, i know, having asian friends they all know every single distinction, and sometimes it takes you awhile to get to know people from different places to say this might indicate you're from here versus there. >> it's not about race. you go to brooklyn. everybody's got a beard and plaid shirt. they may be able to tell each other part but they all look alike to me. i go to certain bars. that's the reason they say there are chelsea gays and hell's kitchen gays. it's two areas in new york, predominantly gay. they all have the same haircut, the same look. they all go to the same gym. you're like are you chad or steve? i don't know. you guys kind of all look the same. >> that is funny. i've got to show you one picture before we go just because a lot of people think that -- i'm saying this goes both ways. i showed you and t.j. so -- yep. >> emily deschanel.

you're better looking, though. >> her face is wider. a lot of people go those two women look exactly the same, two white women with blue eyes. >> you're both beautiful women. if someone mistakes me for t.j. holmes, i could do worse. can i say something quickly, i know you have to go here. samuel l. jackson, that may have come from a wound that's been opened over and over again because of black actors in hollywood are always looking to be recognized. he's made over 70 movies. tyler perry movie is still in the other category. someone over 70 movies, you should probably know his name by now. >> he showed he was angry but did it with humor on the fly. i thought it was, you know -- >> he apologized. move on. sam is a great reporter. >> i appreciate it. good to see you. >> good to see you, mr. holmes, as well. >> thanks. outfront" next. a rare event at the white house tonight. a state dinner in honor of the french president.

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tonight, an evening of pomp and circumstance at the white house. president obama and the first lady hosting a rare state dinner for french president francois hollande. this happened moments ago during our program at the top. hollande coming up for the formal portrait with the president and the first lady who is wearing carolina herrera. we can now report, an absolutely gorgeous gown. this is the first state dinner in almost two years. a very big deal. guests arriving include bradley cooper and julia louis-dreyfus. we just caught a glimpse of michelle obama's gown as you can see. it's long and flowy. it's sort of got a little pintuck thing at the back. i've got a guy who can talk more about it and lace and her hair goes perfectly. she got it all right this time. he's going to tell you. for more on the pageantry and diplomacy of the night, sayly

quinn, the author of "the party." and creative director of elle magazine joe z. sally, you were the guest i wanted for this segment. you've been covering state dinners to are years. people say what is the point? we go through the menu and all the fanciness of it. it is important, right? >> well, the point of this state dinner is syria, syria, syria. and when people talk about these dinners being frivolous or they cost too much, $600,000 if that's what the this dinner costs is nothing when you talk about it in terms of pr and in terms of our being able to reach out to an ally like france who is incredibly important to us as we have seen. france has stood by us in syria and other places around the middle east. you can't buy that kind of publicity. and you can't buy that kind you have good will.

and by doing this, we're not -- we're not just honoring hollande. we're also honoring the french people. we're saying, actually, we're sorry that we kind of hung you out to dry when you said you were going to back us when we agreed to use force if the syrians didn't back down. and get rid of their chemical weapons. and we're also saying, we want you to be on our side and we want you to stick with us if we have to go into syria. so i mean, when you look at a dinner like this, you see michelle obama in this gorgeous dress and this fabulous -- but it's all about honoring the guests. and you know, people it has been said that wars have been started over wrong seating at state dinners. it can be a treacherous thing. you have to have nerves of steel to be a white house social secretary. >> i can't imagine how difficult that job would be. but you know, to the whole point, by the way, when people out there say the british, for example, weren't with us. the french when it comes to al qaeda and things are the

stalwart friends. we've got to do whatever it takes at this point. let's talk, joe, about the pomp and circumstance of this. part of the way you honor is the way you dress and the way things happen. let's talk about her dress. what do you think about it and what do you think about our choice of designers, not a designer with french links as some thought? >> no, this is quite interesting. tonight's state dinner is significant for two reasons. listen, we're very obsessed with everything flotus wears. the french president came stag. the spotlight was on michele. >> there was no second dress. you're right. >> she was not sharing the spotlight. she was it. i think we were expecting her to wear potentially an american-french designer that had a link back to tonight's state dinner but she chose carolina herrera, of spanish descent. she's an incredible evening wear designer but i don't think that's the one we thought she would be wearing tonight. >> tell us more about your view of the style, how she looks in it, and as we talk about sally mentioned the cost of the dinner, what does a dress like that cost?

>> well, first of all, i love the dress on her because i think it's so elegant and simple. that is the princess shape. it's got that sort of pouf at the bottom but very billowy at the same time. it's strapless. we want to call that french blue maybe. >> i was calling it french slate blue but definitely. >> some people might call it periwinkle with the jet bodice. a dress like that could potentially run up to almost $10,000. >> wow. but she doesn't pay for it, or does she? >> not even close. >> sally, what about the cost of the overall dinner? cbs news is reporting it could be -- i'm sorry, they said the first dinner with india could be $600,000. where do you think tonight's dinner ranks? i heard the dinner with india cost $600,000 because of $400 bottles of wine. i thought if you were going to do $400 bottles of wine you should have waited for the president of france. >> well, by the way, i think that dress probably cost around $12,000. but that's just my guess. >> i bet that's an informed

guess. okay. thank you. >> but in terms of the expense of this dinner, first of all, it's larger than most of the state dinners they've had. so it will be more expensive. they probably are cutting down on the price of wine because they were getting criticized. and i think the obamas have entertained less, have had fewer state dinners than most presidents because they don't particularly like to entertain. and they keep to themselves a lot. but also, because of the economy. i mean, you know, when people are starving and don't have jobs, it doesn't look good to spend too much money. i think the economy is up enough now and it's important for us to entertain the french. so i think this is -- it's worth every penny. >> before we go quickly, joe, we have a few pictures of other dresses she's worn at other state dinners. where does this one rank? given that you probably have them rated in your mind. >> this one is more grand than some in the past.

i did like the red. but she got a lot of flack for that one back when she was doing the state dinner for china. i think this is a much more grand dress but also very subdued at the same time. >> that's absolutely -- i love it. i'm not a fashion person. >> i love it, too. i'm with you. >> you made me feel like my taste was all right. >> i validate you. >> thanks so much to both of you. the shooter in the so-called loud music trial has taken the stand. police say michael dunne shot and killed jordan davis, 17 years owed, a black teenager and apparently the reason was that he was playing loud music out of his car at a gas station. he explained to the jury this afternoon why he fired into the suv full of teamers. we want to warn you some of the language you are about to hear in this testimony could be offensive. >> i hear, "i should kill that mother [ bleep ]." and i'm flabbergasted and then even more elevated voice i hear

i should [ bleep ] kill that mother [ bleep ]. now he's screaming. i saw sticking above like the windowsill about four inches of a barrel. after he opened the door, then he looked at me and said you're dead, bitch. i say over here is my glove box. i'm looking out the window. and they said you're not going to kill me you son of a bitch, and i shot. i had no choice but to defend myself. it was life or death. >> our martin savidge is out front no jacksonville tonight. the state had a chance to cross examine him. we just played part of the testimony there. how did it go overall? >> reporter: very contentious for the cross-examination. john guy, the prosecutor, challenging this in any way was self-defense. they claim what will really happened was michael dunne was

angry because a teenager, especially a black teenager, had mouthed off against him. michael dunne said that's not the case. then the prosecution said, well, how come you didn't tell the love of your life, your fiancee these teenagers had a gun? dunne said he was pretty sure that he did. then the prosecution came back and said, after the shooting, why didn't you call police? and that's when michael dunne said, well, i didn't think i hit anybody. two, i was in the wrong state of mind. remember, he twoent his hotel. no gun was found in that suv. then the next morning they said when you knew a teenager had died, why didn't you call the police then? and that's when dunne said that, well, he tried to reach out to a friend in law enforcement. well, that's when the prosecution produced phone records that showed he called nobody. then they called his fiancee and put it to her. did he tell you about those teens having a gun? listen to this. >> also on november 23rd, 2012, after the shooting, when you came out of the gate gas station and got into the defendant's car. >> yes. >> did the defendant ever tell

you he saw a gun in that red suv? >> no. >> did the defendant ever tell you that he saw a weapon of any kind in that suv? >> no. >> there was no mention of a stick? >> no. >> there was no mention of a shotgun? >> no. >> there was no mention of a barrel? >> no. >> there was no mention of a lead pipe? >> no. >> if there was ever an ah-ha moment in the case, that might just have been it. the defense and state have now rested. tomorrow morning we expect the closing arguments and the jury may get this tomorrow afternoon, erin. >> and martin, thank you very much. still to come, a popular tv host under major fire for supporting walmart in a major way. is he a corporate sellout? plus paula deen, is she on the verge of a comeback? hey guys! sorry we're late.

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is paula dean about to come back? according to "the wall street journal" tonight, a newly formed company and appropriately named paula dean ventures has received up to $100 million from a private equity company. dean came under fire last year after admitting she used the "n" word. deen will move away from a business that relies on licensing her likeness to teaming up with retailers and other companies on deals. she or theedly earned an estimated $17 million in 2012. when she lost her show, a lot of

people said she was gone for good. a news camera rolling when he this suspect grabbed a bike and tried to make a run for it. an officer asked a teenager for his fare at a transit station. that was the small spark that caused this. then he tried to punch the officer. the suspect ran. police called the canine unit and set up a perimeter. that's a lot of reaction. soon, the teen tried breaking through the perimeter but was tackled by an officer. all right. a champion for the working man selling out to the world's biggest retailer. mike rowe is the former host of "dirty jobs" and he's under fire for narrating a new commercial for walmart. here's the commercial. >> at one time, i made things. and i took pride in the things i made. and my belt whirred and my engines cranked. i opened my doors to all, and together, we filled pallets and trucks. i was mighty. and then one day, the gears

stopped turning. but i'm still here. and i believe i will rise again. and we will build things and build families and build dreams. it's time to get back to what america does best. because work is a beautiful thing. >> critics are blasting rowe on social media for promoting the retail giant saying things like it's hypocrisy. walmart's products are all made in china. walmart contributes to those empty factories. what's so powerful about an ad that makes no sense? marc lamont hill a political commentator for us and mel robbins, former criminal defense attorney. mark, let me start with you

in response to the comment everything is made in china. mark rowe has been on facebook. he said that's not entirely accurate. there's a lot of merchandise currently in walmart manufactured right here in the usa, including "dirty jobs" cleaning products. walmart promised to buy $250 billion of american made stuff and put it on shelves. whatever else you might think of the company, can you root against an initiative like that. >> no one's saying boo, don't put jobs back in american spaces. they're saying you can't be a champion of the everyday guy, the everyday woman and then work with walmart, which is known for foreign holdings, for buying chinese products more so than american products, for having severe labor problems, for cruelty to animals. a big controversy about walmart and pigs in their factory farms. we can go down the list, environmental abuse, labor pricing. i mean, anything you can think of when it comes to work, walmart is at the center of it. not a good look. >> mel? >> oh, come on. walmart's at the center because they're the biggest so people go after them. walmart is also a company where when you look at the management

teams, 75% of those management teams, mark, came from entry level folks that started there. walmart is the kind of place that if you want to work hard, you can climb the ladder and have the kind of job where you're going to make $50,000 to $170,000. nobody is complaining about apple, mark. 85% of apple vendors is overseas. >> the average walmart worker makes $17,500. they have a 70% turnover rate per year. that means more people quit therein than anybody else. >> if you don't like it, don't shop there, mark. jcpenney is practically going out of business because people don't like it. i get sick of people attacking companies that provide jobs. >> tom forman showed in a report that walmart plays full-time

employees above the average. but on that front, the democratic stat with the house committee on education in the workforce, it is democratic, i'll acknowledge that, they said on this issue of part-time workers, because they earned so little, they are forced to rely on government programs like good stamps. and according to this analysis, walmart super costs on average $904,000 a year to taxpayers in the form of providing these ways of support. again, i'm emphasizing the part-time workers, not full-time. but that's hard to justify, isn't it? >> i say free markets to that. i mean, look, to me it's not walmart's responsibility to turn this economy around or to be responsible for every single person that works for them. their number one priority are their customers. >> they're not responsible for every worker? >> showing up which they do 60% of americans, mark, shop at walmart and they shop there for a reason. it's because cheaper prices and

stores that as far as i'm concerned look like a hurricane ran through them are more important than supporting a store that has better policies towards their employees. we have a free market system in this country for a reason. >> walmart is anything but free. so much deregulation attached to it it makes it easy for them to shut down the mom and pops. that's why 60% of the people go there. to say that walmart doesn't have responsibility for all of it workers is actually unamerican. >> mark what about the issue of mike rowe? is he a sellout, the guy that does "dirty jobs" for saying i believe in this initiative? people are saying, i work for these factories, and it's helping me. >> i don't want to call mike a sellout. he's a decent guy an i think he may be making a decision he this on principle. but he's still wrong. walmart does -- >> what's your point, mark? walmart's wrong so they shouldn't make the investment at all? >> i didn't say that. >> you say i don't like walmart

it's terrible. >> i didn't make that argument. they should do the initiative. it's a great idea to invest in american jobs. doesn't let them off the hook, they're still not above critique. i'm here to critique walmart because i'm one of the 40% of americans who don't shop there. i like american jobs and american people and i would be willing to go to a different store. >> there's 1.3 million americans that work there. every time they open a store they've got 10,000 people lining up for the 300 jobs. so there is something that walmart is doing right on some level. >> you can put a dirty glass of water on the table people drink it. there's no other jobs but they all quit because they hit it, they don't pay. >> we'll continue to follow this issue. specifically about mike rowe and walmart. i'm sure your conversations at home are as heated as that one. still to come, shirley temple dies at age 85. a look back at her amazing life. power consumption in china, n impact wool exports from new zealand,

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