>> this reminder that charles barkley will join me live in "the situation room" later today at 5:00 p.m. eastern. we will get the behind the scenes at the white house for this interview with president obama. charles barkley and me in "the situation room" later today. that's it for me right now. thanks for watching. newsroom continues right now with brooke baldwin. >> wolf blitzer, thank you so much. great to be with you on this monday. i'm brooke baldwin. we have a murder defendant who is coming clean in a stomach turning kind of way. reportedly once a victim herself, this 19-year-old woman said she has victimized many. in a jail house interview, miranda barber told a pennsylvania newspaper she killed too many to count. barber is charged with the murder of a man she and her husband lured through a craigslist ad. they don't believe her yet about the other killings, but they are looking into it. here's cnn's susan candiotti.

>> a stunning new development in the case of accused killer mi ra randa. she and her ruz are charged with luring a man to a meeting and stabbing and strangling him just for the thrill of it in sun bury, pennsylvania. she claims to be a serial killer with so many victims she can't remember them all. when i hit 22, i stopped counting she told the daily item newspaper in pennsylvania. she said she went on her alleged killing spree in alaska, texas, california, and north carolina. do police believe her? >> i don't want to discount her credibility. at this point we are taking her claims seriously. we are liaisoning with different state and federal authorities to determine whether or not there is validity to her statements. >> the newspaper quotes barber admitting to the craigslist murder and 22 plus others.

i feel it is time to get all of this out. i don't care if people believe me. i just want to get it out. she told a newspaper. sun bury police said their investigation is ongoing. >> we have exhausted every avenue, every lead. we devoted thousands of man hours to this and will continue to do so until it is successfully resolved in court. >> according to the paper, she said she was 13 when a cult leader forced him to help her shoot a man who oh,ed him money. she claims she went on killing. >> joining me now, i'm sorry, i wanted to jump at this. i have so many questions beginning with from what i have read, this woman's attorney didn't know this interview happened. how did it happen? >> she requested it. the newspaper reporter had wanted to speak with her. she finally reached out to him. he went in and he was not allowed to bring in a note pat

or recording device. the jail house instead roared audio of the interview and then he was allowed to listen back to that audio recording and we got the quotes. she said when i hit 22, i stopped counting. i am talking to a criminologist who is not buying it. what are the chances she is making it up? >> that's the obvious question to ask. female serial killers are very rare. but based on what police say they know so far, law enforcement source said this could be real and that's in part because they have heard very much the same thing from some of her family they say and friends according to our source. as well as from her husband. this is the first time however they said they are hearing it from her. they are looking into it. >> susan, thank you. we will talk to the

criminologist who was skeptical of this story. now to the hottest stories in a flash. roll it. a copilot hijacked his own flight in a desperate mission for asylum. the plane left bound for rome, but when the pilot left the cockpit for the restroom, that pilot seized the chance and locked that door and rerouted the plane to geneva and switzerland. the copilot escaped through the window using a rope before ultimately surrendering to police. five people are found alive. search and rescue say fishermen found four women today. they found the fifth in the same area and now they are being treated at bali hospitals. the seven japanese women and two instructors and five tourists

failed to return after their dive on friday. a found floating on the manhattan side of the river has been identified as 55-year-old michelle sevoya. he was last seen partying at this new york nightclub on thursday. police say there is no sign of foul play. now to the 22nd winter games in sochi. two americans, charlie white and merrill davis have become the first americans to wind olympic gold for ice dancing. they were world champions last year and also in 2011. plus it's not exactly the moment bode miller won a bronze medal but the moments after that so many are talking about. this olympic scare here broke down after placing third in the men's super g. a lot of people are criticizing kristin cooper, a former

olympian herself for pushing him to talk about his brother who died last year. >> we see there and it looks like you are talking to somebody. what's going on there? >> there is a lot more to the story next hour. we will hear how bode miller has come to the defense here of the voice you just heard. what happens when you have an nba hall of famer interviewing the president of the united states? you talked basketball, but you also get unforgettable sound bytes. sir charles barkley's sit down with president barack obama. if you are one of the million who is enjoy listening to pandora, have you heard this? this company said they know your politics. you won't believe what they are planning to do with that information. e days to take caref business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner,

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. for those of you not working, it is president's day. here's a question. how do you think president obama is doing? look at the poll of polls. 42% of americans surveyed approve of the way the president handles his job. 53% disapprove. last february it was know opposite story. 52% gave the president a thumbs up and 43% did not approve. it's an average of three national surveys. charles barclay paid a visit to the president recently. the nba star sat down with president obama in the oval

office for an interview before the big nba all-star game over the weekend. of course they talked basketball, but sir charles also asked about politics as well, specifically asking if he likes the name obamacare. take a listen. >> i like it. i don't mind. i tell you five years from now when everyone is say are glad we got health care, they won't call it obamacare anymore. >> joe johns. it was a fun interview to watch. talking obamacare and talking lebron james. i loved the sound bide when they were talking about waning up over 50 and feeling aches and pains along with that. >> fascinating interview. brooke, one of the things i found most interesting is because it was charles darkly intrusion the president, darkly took a turn and started asking

about eric holder and the latest move to try to put gays and lesbians on e kwa will legal footing. the president took that opportunity to turn it around and talk about two african-american trailblazers and professional sports. the discrimination that they had faced along the way. listen to how the president talks about how this issue of gays and lesbians in america is bigger than sports. take a listen. >> think about basketball. you think about what the nba was before african-americans were allowed to play on an equal footing. you think about some of the stories that even folks like oscar robertson tell what they went through. you think about what jackie robinson meant not just to baseball, but the society. i wouldn't be sitting here.

i think everything is being treated with respect and dignity. >> in that interview, the president applauded michael sam, the college football stand out who took the opportunity before he was even drafted to announce he was gay. a lot of entering conversation in that interview on tnt. >> one more sound byte. i think it's charles barkley's birthday this thursday. talking about getting older in our years. >> how often do you play now? >> these days probably once a month. you get a little older and creekier. the second thing is you have to start thinking about elbows and you break your nose before a state of the union address. >> it's a fun sound byte. i thought it was great. i texted him on friday and i said look at you. from birmingham, alabama to

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>> record novel and rapid warning and strong winds add up to dangerous conditions in the mountains. officials in colorado say that is behind this deadly weekend avalanche in that country. we now know that recovery steams found not just one, but two skiers'ses yesterday buried in steep terrain. they were a group of when that avalanche hit. the other did survive, but saturday's avalanche follows a string of deadly snow slides and the avalanche center said it is teetering on the brink of critical mass and warrants unusual conditions in the rocky mountains right now. i wanted to talk about this today. i know this winter seems

particularly rough and when you think about it out west, why is that? >> there have been 130% of normal for snowpack. some spots 145. that is not record breaking snow. they had record breaking snow days. one day will be four feet. all of a sudden that four feet gets heavy and it's on top of others that have been there for a while and wants to slide off. that's what they have been having. day after another and all of a sudden you don't have a homogonous layer of snow. you have snow that break apart and slides. 130 to 150% of normal. it is still snowing in spots. you go from low to considerable to high and extreme where the avalanche was only moderate and now considerable in other areas around there. all of the mountains, we are not even to that four or five. we are category two and category three.

for a very long time that loaded the slopes with snow. also something is done, blowing the snow over the top and lands here. it lands here. just like you get a drift on the side of your house that doesn't have the wind blowing. all of that slabbing on the top with the overhangs that will slight down at times and that will happen here. some of these really amazing skiers head out and they have to know ahead of time. they did have that and they were buried in steep derain. they literally mean you get in a helicopter and ski down by

yourself. this is not the kind of weeks or months you will do that. this is really snow loading because of the northwest winds going from the same direction for so long. >> now to this, despite a trial and a credit, there is no sense of peace for jordan davis's family. he was the teenager michael dun was accused of killing over loud music. michael dun was convicted of attempted murder over the weekend, but the jury couldn't agree on a verdict in davis's death. what caused the jury to deadlock? what happened? our legal debate coming up next. you are watching cnn. ness... from fashion that flies off the shelves. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. and only national is ranked highest in car rental customer satisfaction by j.d. power.

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>> we are so grateful for the truth. we are so grateful that the jurors were able to understand the common sense of it all. we will continue to stand and we will continue to wait for justice for jordan. >> i thank you. he was a good kid. it was not allowed in the courtroom, but he was a good kid. >> in the teen's hometown and jaupd were absolutely furious with the out come of the trial. right now a rally is going on at the gas station where he was killed. in the meantime, michael dunn

will likely spend the rest of his life behind bars. his daughter talked to "good morning america." >> i can't imagine without him. he's going to protect himself. if he sees no other way, that's what he's going to do. >> let's bring in the two legal minds. legal analys joe jackson and danny sa vales joining me here and welcome to both of you. this is sticky each way you cut it. let me begin with you. for people who were not watching especially on saturday, how did that happen? how did the jurors decide on attempted murder and the three counts but they were deadlocked on the murder one charge? >> what happens is whenever you have the claim of self defense, it's predicated upon your perception and do you reasonably perceive that someone represents a deadly threat to you. in this case of course there was no physical confrontation. there was no fight.

you have the argument and apparently the jury or jurors found it compelling that there was a reasonable perception here that he would have been under attack. first-degree murder was charged and they said we are going to reject your claim and self defense. they had an option of putting it down from first degree to second. you are left with the idea that there was a faction on the jury. they haven't spoken. whether it was two, we don't know. if it was deadlocked and some believe mr. dunn's indication that he was in reasonable fear. they rejected the claim as it related to the others. why? they convicted of attempted murder and the rationality for

that was there were volleys of shots that dunn fired. on the first volley of shots they felt he was justified. as the teens began to go away and retreat from that parking lot and he continued to fire, they rejected it and said you exceeded the bounds of self defense. the key word on perception. you said this has been a fascinating self defense case raising issues such as -- >> first the issue of flight. this is something you didn't see in the simmerman case. the person left the scene and that is evidence of consciousness of guilt. multiple shots fired which is an intent to use did thely force. what is fascinating is that the jury's verdict unlike many others gives us a real look into the thought process. it was attempted second-degree

murder which many felt was the proper charge. we can reasonably guess when it came to second-degree murder for jordan davis, they got hung up on the issues of either self defense or simply the complexity of the jury instructions. if you read the jury instructions for all the murders and all the manslaughters in florida and in really every jurisdiction, they can be very complicated and they don't get any easier just because a judge reads them slowly and out loud to a bunch of jurors. these are highly abstract. when you read them and you understand, even to us lawyers they can be confusing. there is a lot of potential overlap. when they were going-over this coupled with their having to deal with self defense, you can understand how they may have gotten hung up. the fact that they convicted on seconding it attempted murder means for all of the crimes they probably had second-degree murder on their mind ultimately

for jordan davis. that's where they got hung up. >> given the esoteric wonkyness, my word, of having to go through this, the state attorney here said she wants a retrail on this same charge, murder in the first degree. do you think that will happen and is that a good idea 14. >> you know what, here's the way it boils down. the first thing i would do if i'm the state attorney and she will make her own decisions, you consult with the family. we have opinions and views about the case, but the families have paramount. it's not so much that the family dictates, but you take it into consideration in what their perceives notions are of justic and whether this is enough. this is the first thing i will do. moving on from that, however, ultimately they tried to get first degree premeditation. they argued and getting the gun

from the glove compartment and taking the lock off and aiming at the gun. that was the argument. that was rejected by the jury as to whether a new jury will buy that argument, that remains to be seen. >> what do you think? will it happen? is this just a waste of time? >> i won't go that far, but by any account this is a victory for the prosecution. to those people who thought that this or any other trial is a slam dunk, let me disabuse you of that idea. every trial is a flip of the point. anything can happen if it was a slam dunk, no one would take that to trial. every trial involves risk. every trial has an element of unpredictability. i think the prosecution can take a look at this case and plant their flag and declare a win because of mandatory minimum sentencing in florida, he will spend a minimum of 60 years on those convictions. so we have to ask ourselves the

broader question. is it worth expending the prosecution and the state's resources to retry this case when most of the effect, most of the desired out come has been achieved? >> i'm glad you brought that up because so much focus has been on the teenager who is no longer with us. saw the daughter of michael dunn in tears on "good morning america" for all accounts. she will lose her father going away for 60 years in prison. you mentioned the j word. justice. i want to play sound. this is what marku lamont hill had to say. >> it's not enough. as a practical matter he got a life sentence. whether he is reright to, the out come will be the same. he will spend the rest of his life in prison. there is justice given what happened to jordan davis. as a symbolic matter, it may be

long-term even again as a practical matter it shows we are unable to convict a man of killing an unarmed black child. ha is disturbing and problematic. >> you get the final word, joey jackson. where do we go from here? >> mark raises a good point. where we go is examining the issue of stand your ground. is that the type of law we want? is it appropriate to have the ability to say that i could stand here and if i perceive you to be a threat and say i'm scared and you could have killed me, can i take your life? if jordan davis is to live on in terms of what happened here and the legacy he had, we have to debate the appropriateness and having discussions about race, tolerance, sensitivity and relations and why it's certainly not appropriate just because of someone's skin to have any irrational fear that they might represent to you. >> perception as you said earlier.

thank you both very, very much. >> a pleasure, brooke. >> can the type of music you listen to nail down your personal politics? internet radio company pandora said you betcha and they will take your information and use it. how, you ask? we will tell you. you heard about this amazing story in sochi. not just winning medals, but saving puppies. a family of them. he shows off his lucky litter to cnn. you don't want to miss this. [ male announcer ] imagine this cute blob is metamucil.

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. so did you know pandora has you pegged and the online service plans to make a little money by steering politicians your way based upon your favorite musicians. if you listen to say dolly parton and other country musicians, you probably vote

republican. miles davis fans and jazz listeners tend to vote democratics as do fans of mary j. brij and bob marley. yanni republican. jay z and bruce springsteen demes and republicans both. with us from new york, this was interesting. i was thinking what do i listen to and which way does that go? >> i was thinking brooke loves all sorts of music. i would love to see pandora target her. it's all about the zip code. when you sign up, that is a lot of important data. they have said hey, let's look at the zip code ask see how they voted before. do they lean left or right? what's new is they are adding in the listening layer. if a lot of people in a certain district lean left and listen to reggae, let's put that and there can be a correlation to target

the ads. they are partnering up with different advertising firms. is bully pulpit interactive. he talked to me and said this is why the technology will be interesting. listen to what he said. >> most interesting thing about pandora's new technology is the ability to reach the right voter at the right time, but get to understand a little bit more about their lifestyle and get to know more about what their tastes are. >> brooke, you think about it and we carry these mobile devices and listening to streaming services like pandora and spotify. it's how they can target us. the data said look, country music listeners are more associated with republican zip codes. reggae and jazz is more associated with democratic zip codes. it will be interesting to see how they will serve up political ads based on this information. >> i think i would break it.

it would be so all over the place. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> with the music, we are talking olympics. i didn't do this before, but spoiler alert. in sochi, history has just been made. to americans, charlie white and merrill davis have become the first americans to win the olympic title in ice dancing. this is the 15th gold in olympic figure skating for the americans. more than any country by the way. this is the first in dance. sochi hopeful bode miller moving on didn't make the medal stand in his first two alpine events, but did come through in the slalom effect tied for bronze. it was what he said, what happened after this race that is making news. this emotional post when interviewed that is causing a bit of controversy. we will talk about that

controversy and what he is saying next hour. let's look at how the new cold helped the u.s. in the medals. team usa is tied for first with russia. both with 18 medals each. the sochi games, listen, you know this. they had their fair share of problems. suspected bombers on the loose for one. warm weather melting the snow. controversy over gay rights and half built hotels. perhaps the most unexpected story is stray dogs. packs and packs of them roaming the village and reports of calls prior to the games. it is affecting the athletes. some are leaving with medals, others are leaving them with dogs. rachel nichols has the story. >> how much has your life changed since you stepped off

the stand? >> i don't know. it has been like a world wind of excitement and just so much going on. >> you tweeted a picture on a corn flakes box. >> we won and 12 hours later, we were on a serialial box. it's a huge dream come true. to get to be one of the hosts, it's insane. >> want to see the dogs? >> let's do it. for sure. >> you heard there were stray dogs and what they were doing. what was that like? >> it just kind of sucked for sure. i felt for the animals and heard they were rounding them up and extrerm na trerm naterminating

out of view. i wasn't planning to come here and be an animal activist or spokesperson for humanity for the dogs or anything, but this particular family just really touched me and i think they are so cute and they need some help. i'm going to try to bring this family home. hi, you are okay. look. >> we will have this give this one a russian name. >> i was thinking sochi or rosa or silver. i don't know. >> silver would be good. >> right? are you going to show her your medal? does she like it? >> a collective awe. this is becoming a trend. a former olympian is planning to take a stray dog home as well. >> "the tonight show," tonight is the night jimmy fallon debuts as the new host. the stakes are high.

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would have stayed home that night? >> in hindsight, absolutely. >> as a point of clarification, when you say i wish i stayed home and my life would be easier, are you thinking of you and trayvon martin? >> certainly i think about him. i think about my family. all the families that have been put in any type of dangerous situation. yes, i think about everybody involved. >> to say if you can change how that night came out, you would both be alive today? >> i think that's just a different way of rephrasing it. >> if you could do it again, you would have stayed home? >> i would have stayed home. >> both of you would be alive. >> i don't know what would have happened. i could have gotten in a car accident. >> but you wouldn't have killed trayvon martin if you had your way? >> he wouldn't have attacked me either if i stayed home.

>> his family, do you think about his family? >> certainly. >> people want to know that. coming out of this situation, they haven't heard you say i feel for his family. >> i i appreciate the opportunity. i hope they had seen that i did address that. >> it's different in court. >> sure, but i was just simply saying that i did address it. another misconception is that i never apologized and reached out to the family. would i like to? certainly. >> what would you say? >> you know, i would say exactly what i said on the stand. that i'm sorry for their loss. just exactly what i said on the stand.

>> thoughts about the victim, trayvon martin. the victim was trayvon martin. you know that. >> i certainly was a victim when i had my head bashed into the concrete. i wouldn't say i was not a victim. >> despite the public outrage paining him as a racist in the case by a prosecution calling him a murderer. >> what do you want to say to people who believe you went out as a vigilante and being looking for trouble and found it and bailed yourself out. >> i don't focus on them. i deal with their hatred by loving my supporters more. >> when people reach out for the wrong reasons, what were supportive for the wrong reasons. they like that a young black man had been killed, how did that make you feel? they saw you symbolically as representing them. >> equally as disgusted as i was with people who were threatening my family.

saying negative things about me. >> sitting through all of it and listening to the evidence and everybody's differently take on your actions and reactions, did it make you doubt yourself? >> no. >> why not? >> faith. >> in yourself or in god? >> i know that ultimately he's the only judge. he knows what happened and i know what happened. i leave it up to him. >> a faith that keeps him in florida despite a number of threats on his life. >> people say george, you have to go. >> i will never leave this country and i will leave my home when i want to leave my home. i know it sounds stubborn and ideological, but i will move when i want to. >> the word haunted often comes up in these situations. are you haunted by memories of that night? >> no. >> because? >> i don't know. >> george zimmerman is not

haunted by taking a man's life. more surprising, zimmerman thought his life would stay the same. >> the feeling was that people will accept this. i'm going to go through the trial and it is what it is, the out come will be accepted and you will move on. >> i was hoping for that, yes. >> when did you realize you weren't going to get that? >> i think it was the first speeding ticket when it made international news. it was shocking. >> chris cuomo with george zimmerman. for more of the interview, go to newd newdaycnn.com. the now canceled boxing match. >> bode miller breaks down in tears after his most recent olympic win and a killer said she is really a serial killer. why is she coming clean now? we have answers for you next here on cnn. [ sneezes, coughs ]

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. >> tonight is the night comic and late night gabber jimmy fallon takes over "the tonight show" and putting on his game face. >> we are all tied up. potato sack race for the marbles. >> good luck. you are going to need it. >> remember the video? by the way, the first lady is booked at one of the premier week guests. she will be visiting the studio on thursday. tonight's debut lineup is will smith and u2. what's at stake for the late night star.

hey, michelle. >> jimmy fallon does have big shoes to fill. "the tonight show" is a 60-year tradition that launched so many careers. while this is probably the most prestigious of the jobs in late night, it's also the most scrutinized. jimmy of course is taking over for jay leno, the host for 22 years. the convincing number one for most of those. he has to follow the 2009 debacle where nbc took jay off the air in favor of conan o'brien. we remember how that turned out. they seemed a bit more harmonious, i guess i can call it. they did that passing of the torch duet and interviews together in the past month. jay leno said that if anyone on the air in late night right now, jimmy fallon is the closest to johnny carson. that is high praise since he said johnny carson is the best to have done it. by the way, for the past 22

years, the show is called "the tonight show" with jay leno. jimmy is calling it "the tonight show" starring jimmy fallon. will smith is his first guest. u2 is the musical guest. "the tonight show" is relocating back to new york. jimmy fallon said he does plan to bring the snow los angeles at least once a year. back to you. >> got to get a ticket to that. thank you very much. and i will just continue on. top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with a murder government opening up about a life of crime so evil, many doubt her confession. reportedly once a victim herself, this 19-year-old woman said she victimized many. in this jail house interview, she told the daily item newspaper she murdered too many times to keep track. let me quote her. she said when i hit 22, i stopped counting. then she explains to this

pennsylvania paper why she embraced a life following the devil. she was only 13 at the time. susan candiotti has been following the case for us. she is charged with killing a man she and her husband allegedly found lured through craigslist and reportedly the answer that this victim, this man gave her, that is pushing her to stab him 20 times. >> that's what she told the reporter. miranda barber told the newspaper after luring this man to her car, they were supposed to get intimate. she said she was a minor and claims that was the wrong answer because he said it's okay. she stand him 20 times and said her husband who was hiding in the back seat moved forward and strangled him. then she went on to claim and didn't seem rehearsed. she said she killed more than 22 people in four states. alaska, california, texas and

north carolina. the newspaper quoted her as saying i feel it is time to get all of this out. i don't care if people believe me. i just want to get it out. she also claim that is when she was 13 years old, she was a member of the satanic cult and the leader of that cult forced her to shoot a man that he was murdering and forced her to participate in that murder and that's what she said helped lead her to the she led over the years. she is only 19. we talked to the police chief about -- does he believe her? here's what he said. >> i don't want to discount her credibility at this point. we are taking her claims seriously. we are liaisoning with different state and federal authorities to determine whether or not there is validity to her statements. >> in his interview with her,

miranda barber showed nothing. >> barber had encountered with at least 30 men, but is she a serial killer. jack lemon is a criminology and has been writing books for many decades. >> thank you very much. >> we know that miranda barber is charged with one murder and now is opening up and talking. she said this was time to get it out. she is 19 years young. obviously making national news, sir. you are not buying her story. >> anything is possible, brooke. of course it's conceivable that she is a serial killer, but i will tell you why i doubt it. first of all, this would be a very rare case. now it's true that about 25% of all serial killers will kill in a team with a partner. there have been husbands and

wives who killed serially. when women kill and there not many who become serial killers, they tend to use poison or suffocate patients in a hospital with a pillow. they don't usually stab their victims. they are not 19 years old. most serial killers are experienced. they get away with murder. otherwise they would be caught right away. they are in their 30s and 40s. i think the biggest reason why i'm skeptical is the disorganized way they killed this particular victim, leaving his body in an alley where it was quickly discovered. if you are a prolific serial killer, you go out of your way to dump the in a desolate area off a highway so that people don't find the evidence. >> here is how he said she did it. let me quote this paper. i would lure these people in. i studied them. i learned them. i even became their friend.

i did this to people who did bad things and didn't deserve to be here anymore. does that sound like if it happened, i know you write about the whole notion of playing god, feeling powerful. that plays into that, correct? >> false confessors lock a lot like serial killers. they share the same motivation. they want to feel powerful and in charge and big shots. they want us to believe that they killed lots of people. if they killed one, it will be a big local story. if they killed 22, then they are on cnn. >> why would she want that? >> because these killers and false confessors have a profound sense of powerlessness. they want to feel important. they want to feel special and they achieve it through a sense of infamy by becoming

celebrities. >> she said she was molested at age 4. her mother corroborated that and joined a satanic cult and witnessed a murder which was part of a murder at age 13. might that have played a part in her story, be it real or not? >> it's possible. i'm hoping that the police investigators will indeed take this very seriously. let me tell you that there millions of people who have suffered as children. millions of them. most of them never hurt anyone. they grow up to be healthy decent civil human beings. you can't just take a childhood experience and say that's the reason that she is a serial killer. >> you are absolutely right. jack levin, criminology at north eastern university. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. now to the olympics.

to the 22nd winter games in sochi. we will give you the medal counts, spoiler alert here. spoiler alert. i get your tweets and we apologize if we get the news out too quickly. the u.s. won gold. however we will talk about an olympian breaking down. not during his performance. bode miller won a bronze in the men's super g. the brick down that happened afterwards as this nbc sports reporter talked to miller about the medal and his younger brother who died just last year. >> i know you wanted to be here with chile really experiencing these games. how much does it mean to you to come up with a great performance for him and was it for him? >> i mean i don't know if it's really for him, but i wanted to come here and -- i don't know. make myself proud, but --

>> when you look up in the sky at the start, we see you there and it looks like you are talking to somebody. what's going on there? >> horrible. i have seen that a couple of times and you see the tear come down his cheek and she pushes on with looking up in the sky and makes you want to cover your eyes. >> exactly. it's again and again and again that she seems to go at him. bode miller did open up the door to this line of questioning. he did mention his brother in one of the first answers that he gave her, but it was for there. why would you keep going after someone at this time when he won a bronze and become the oldest medalist in olympic alpine history and you want to see the tears so badly.

he held his head down and it was too much for him. he had to walk away. it's really incredible. he's not the most emotional person. this guy was always about feeling his run. his ski runs and races and he never really showed this kind of emotion. to see this from him and after the year he had with his brother passing away and the year off where he wasn't competing because he was injured and battling for custody over his child. there was a lot going on and this was a time to focus on him winning a medal. >> people have pounced on him and they have come to the defense of the reporter whose voice you hear. she was an olympian. correct? she may have had a friendship and she was familiar with the story with the brother. what has he said in her defense? >> he tweeted about it afterwards and said the sweet

read and i don't want to mistweet. emotions were raw. she asked the question that every interviewer would have. pushing is part of it. she wasn't trying to cause pain. sure, the emotions were raw and yes, maybe every inch would have asked about the emotional year, but i wouldn't have pushed like that. >> i have been put in situations where people broke down and you can accidentally or not e lisit emotions. you have the spidey sense when not to cross a line. >> certainly. you even see her extend her arm and she is comforting him, but at that point i am sure that she looks back on it and she is probably not 100% happy. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, you heard this story. killed by a snake bite. this pastor in kentucky. giving sermons is killed with a

venomous bite. he refused and his family refused medical treatment. we will tell you his story coming up. a plane is hijacked by the copilot and hoped to get political asylum. that story is coming up and the trial of michael dun who was convicted on three counts of attempted murder. jurors couldn't quite decide on that first-degree murder charge. he was not convicted there. nancy grace joins me next. is there a chance for a retrail? rewill discuss. stay with me. ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around, barry ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ [ female announcer ] fiber one. [ male announcer ] how did edward jones become one of the biggest financial services companies in the country? hey. yours? not anymore. come on in. [ male announcer ] by meeting you more than halfway. it's how edward jones makes sense of investing.

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. it is one day after what would have been jordan davis's 19th birthday. instead of a party, his mother and father are reacting to a verdict. saturday night michael dunn was found guilty on four of five counts and the jury deadlocked on the most significant charge, murder in the first degree on the death of jordan davis. the teen was shot and killed in a gas station parking lot over this dispute over loud music in november of 2012. as you can imagine, look at this. emotions were running high. saturday night into sunday as many in the hometown of jacksonville and beyond were furious with the out come. michael dunn's family is speaking out as well. his daughter choking back tears, talking to abc's "good morning america." >> i love him so much. he's my best friend. i can't imagine living life without him.

if he sees no other way, he's going to do. >> going to bring in nancy grace. nancy, right out of the gate, your reaction to what happened saturday night? >> i have to tell you playing what you just played, that makes me hurt for her because we all look up to our fathers or most of us do and believe what they say and we are always on their side, but that is just not what happened. my reaction. my reaction is a, i believe he is going to jail. he is looking at 60 or 90 years behind bars depending on what the judge does. other than that, i'm stumped. i don't understand the jury's thinking. if they thought it was self defense, it would have been an out right not guilty. to me, it's more like they found him guilty for missing the use

of the car. not for trying to kill and killing jordan davis. >> how does this work? i'm honestly confused. they are going back and forth and obviously they are not all agreeing on murder and they agree on the tempted murder charges. how are they deadlocked in murder in the first degree? >> i was up all night just reliving it. when i did those off, i kept hearing them announcing the verdict again. i couldn't believe it. we had a fair warning. they told us on friday night we are stumped on one charge and we have got a verdict on the others. there was only charge that was different and that's the murder charge. we knew what the problem was, but when they came to fruition, it didn't make it feel better that we had warning. i know this jury worked hard. all i can imagine is this.

he claimed he saw a gun with jordan davis. we all know he didn't have a gun. that's his claim. he never claimed he sought other three boys with the gun. did they think hey, even if he was wrong, he was acting in self defense against jordan davis and the other three so they convicted on shoot other three? do you follow where i'm going? it is convoluted. that's the only way to make sense of it. this much i do not appreciate people saying there shouldn't be a retrail. darn right there should be. >> you say yes, there should? angela said they want it and she wants murder one again. >> if i hear more person say it's going to cost too much money. bs. i call foul. here's the deal. i went on trial every two weeks with a new felony. that courtroom is going to be running.

the lights are on, we paid for the sheriffs and the bailiffs and the court reporter with our tax money. they will be trying somebody. we have a mistrial on that count. he needs to go to trial. will it add any years to his term? maybe not. but i don't want his parents going to their grave saying i never had a trial on my son's murder. >> then you have as we saw a teary michael dunn's daughter and she is losing her father. >> no she is not. >> potentially for 60 years. >> she can go visit. >> the question is, is that justice. i would love to hear your reaction. >> is it justice? i can't even wait on the sound. jordan davis is dead. >> roll it. >> no, it's not 234enough. as a practical matter he got a life sentence and whether we retry or not, he will likely spend the rest of his life in prison.

there is justice there given what happened to jordan davis. as a symbolic matter and representational matter, long-term it shows that we are unable to convict a man of killing an unarmed black child. that is disturbing and problematic. >> i know you have thoughts and you were a prosecutor for years and years. react to that for me. >> i think he's right and he's wrong. the jury did not convict on killing jordan davis. they did convict on shooting at the other three. you would have to be blind not to see they convicted on those three charges. i don't understand what the problem was with jordan davis's case. i can tell you this. people that say a trial is too expensive, they want judicial economy, that is all rhetoric. i am a crime victim. my fiance was murdered. i can guarantee this. if that case had not gone to

trial, regardless of the out come, guilty, not guilty, i don't care. it that case had not gone to trial and godden a verdict, i couldn't live with myself. i know that is how jordan davis's family feels. they are torn up and it's still not over for them. i don't think anybody gets it. it will never be over for them. they will live with this the rest of their lives. >> this notion of closure, i don't believe in it, but maybe they can find a sense of peace. >> that are sound got me very upset. >> we watch you each and every night here on hln. thank you as always. coming up, a plane on the way to rome is hijacked by its own copilot. we flew the plane to another country. where he took the plane and why is next. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the little room

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. a copilot hijacked his own flight, taking over the airliner on this desperate mission for asylum. he was bound for rome and when the pilot left if to go to the bathroom, he seized his chance and he landed safely and escaped through the cockpit window using a rope before surrendering to police. >> john mccain is lighting into the situation. the way mccain puts it, america is ignoring reegistic ways to end a savage killing. here he is, senator john mccain.

>> we can do nothing, we see a further deterioration and a regionalization of the conflict. they will have to go in militarily. did you know, there is a terror group in syria so grazen, they were expelled from al qaeda. cnn obtained. this is exclusive cnn reporting. you are about to see. it is so frightening to watch. get the kids out of the room right this second. this is the senior correspondent.

the voice asks how old are you. i was born in 19 ikt. are you married, yes, i have two children. do you want to see them again, god knows i do, i have nothing to hide. the man who calls himself a doctor pauses, collecting his thoughts. the interrogators speak with distinct iraqi accents and northeast. they are not with the regime of president assad, but rather with i sis, the islamic state of syria. it's not clear what happened to these men, but another chilling video will show you later may be

a clu. the groups are fighting that is left well over 2,000 dead. even al qaeda's leader. missing in the interrogations is any mention whatsoever of the assad regime. the only concern is the challenge posed by other factions and the local populous to i sis. >> who wasn't racing on the walls. i swear i don't know as god as my witness, responds this man who identified himself. another interrogation. what were they saying about the islamic state, he asked.

safety truth, save yourself. i will speak the truth even if i lose my head, responding this man who said he is called mustafa. all of these were found in the residence of this man. or the iraqi. activists describe him as an i sis commander and an intelligence officer. they found the abandoned video in january after he fled fighting between i sis and other factions. some of the clips and still shots show a young woman in the company trying her hand at shooting an ak-47 assault rifle. >> steady, he told her. steady. i sis is imposing the strictest possible dress code for women in the area they control, given that her face is uncovered, clearly this was a private moment. so what happened to the interrogated man? it's not clear from the videos.

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this was his son as he tried to revive his father. >> i kept saying talk to me. get responsive. after he passed the out, he never said nothing much. that was his last word. he said sweet jesus. that was it. >> the pastor died saturday evening about two hours after being bit. let's talk about this. practice with snakes in church am daniel burke in washington. in los angeles gabriel directed this documentary entitled heaven come down that examines religious snake handlers that folks do at these churches. let me play this before we kickoff from the documentary. take a look.

this is a piece of the documentary. daniel, first to you. can you explain to all of us, the use of snakes. this is how literally folks translate the gospel of mark. >> that's right. the gospel of mark is an important passage for snake handlers. there two lines. one is that they shall follow those who believe me. they shall take up serpentents. the pastor takes that as a divine commandment. that would be disa baying god. >> this pastor was missing half a finger. he has been bitten. i don't know how many times this was generational. he was hoping to pass along to his son. gabriel, me about what you and your crews saw. in these sorts of snake handling

and i know fire is involved and drinking strick 9. what do you see? >> a lot of the services are lasting a long time. there is music as a huge component. they play these long long jams of rock billy gospel music that can go on for hours. the serpentent handling is an organic part of that experience. it sort of comes up naturally in the procedures. >> the sermons or processes.

did you ever see anyone bit? >> yes. several people. one person got medical attention and two people we saw department get medical attention. one pastor who died last year was bitten and we went back to his -- to a home near the church. people gathered around him and it was really intense. for hours after the bite, after about four or five hours he got up and there was people who brought in a couple of strat casters and an amp and they were playing i saw the light. everybody was singing on this tiny house that was perched on this edge of the hall.

the thing was literally shaking with all the people inside. his brother reached down into a box and gave him a handful of the serpentes that bit him not five hours before and he began to handle in this little home. it was pretty intense. >> sounds intense. i am trying to wrap my head around why one would want to do this. isn't part of it the notion? i'm going to handle the snakes and yes they are venomous. if they take my life, it is got's will for them to do so. is that the notion? >> that's exactly right. because it is a divine commandment as they see it, it's a consequence of that commandment is god's will. people like the pastor will not seek medical treatment. even though there were ambulances and medical people at his house, they decide and he

talked about this a lot. in the show he talked about this as well. he is not going to do it. he puts his in god's hands in that case. >> and the question, gabriel, to you. this is against the law. you are not supposed to do that in churches. from everything i read, police look the other way and don't want to interrupt sunday church service? >> it's a freedom of religious expression and issues get involved in it. it's something that i think they -- the fact is that the number of deaths in this community is for the number of people who actually do it is incredibly small. it has been going on for over 100 years. it's very dangerous, but you would be surprised atta how infrequently people are bit. much more than how frequently.

i think in the communities that a lot of the communities are so tight knit that the law enforcement and religious communities are so inner meshed, they give them a little bit of a breath because for the most part they keep to themselves and don't bother people and they are just expressing their own faith. >> thank you. again, the documentary heaven, come down and daniel burke with the belief blog. thank you very much for that. coming up, do drugs used to combat attention deficit disorders work long-term? for most drugs the answer is no. stay with me. ing up. it's time for advil cold and sinus. [ male announcer ] truth is that won't relieve all your symptoms. new alka seltzer plus-d relieves more symptoms than any other behind the counter liquid gel. oh what a relief it is. [ male announcer ] even more impressive

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. we are ten minutes away from jake tapper and "the lead." jake, let me bring you in. we played a piece from ben wedeman in syria. what do you have? >> well, there's been a lot of frustration voiced by secretary of state john kerry when it comes to what is going on when it comes to the peace talks. he's basically accused assad of stonewalling, of basically just trying to delay these conversations about a transfer of power in the peace process and trying to win this fight on the battlefield as opposed to win the peace process and he used the word enabling to describe what the russians are doing when it comes to syria. that's pretty strong language to use to talk about russia, to say that they are enabling what

assad is doing, brooke. >> they are good friends and go back a long time. we'll hear more from what secretary of state john kerry ree is saying at the top of the hour. thank you, sir. >> thanks, brooke. the late dwight d. eisenhower finally got his wish. the augusta tree is gone. it lost so many limbs that they cut it down over the weekend. the tree got its name after eisenhower asked for it to be removed because of his notion to hit wayward shots. and ellen page revealing that she is gay. my next guest says the announcement is wonderful but questions whether or not in this day and age if it's brave. [ park sounds, sound of spray paint ]

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in case you hadn't heard, ellen page says she's had enough. acknowledging that she in a very public way that she is gay. >> and i am here today because i am gay. and because -- [ applause ] -- and because maybe i can make a difference to help others have an easier and more hopeful time regardless for me i feel a personal obligation and a social responsibility. >> ellen page, you heard the cheers but what you didn't see is the standing ovation that she got at this conference in las vegas on issues of gay communities. so what is this? brenden, nice to have you on. >> thank you. >> so let me just read part of

what you have written here. this is your question. "in spite of the many wonderful reasons to celebrate page, i still can't help wondering this. was it brave of page to announce to a room full of lgbt youth at a room full human rights campaign that she, a popular well-to-do hollywood 20-something was gay? so brandon, what did you decide, brave or not? >> i think with the word brave, i basically in the piece say there's no way of knowing what is going on with ellen personally so i can't really speak for her. but i think when we use the word "brave," we're talking more about the society that is receiving the news than the celebrity. so what i do know is this. the world is changing and every day we are inching closer to society and, yeah, so maybe in

her life is did require bravery. when we use the word brave of every person who comes out, we don't really admit and acknowledge the progress that our community is making every day. i wonder if there might be new language to describe it. >> progress in the community in our society and, of course, you mentioned michael sam, the football player who may be the first out football player. celebrating him versus celebrating ellen page's announcement, is one a bigger deal than the other, do you think? >> yeah. i think objectively looking at it, i think it would be easy for us to say it would be objectively easier to come out in the arena of hollywood than to come out in the arena of the nfl. but, again, we just don't know the personal aspects going on.

i mean, every person's closet is different. that it may be quaint state tifl hard to come out in hollywood. they are forward-thinking to me. >> so bigger picture, i feel like society has evolved. that was the word that the president used when he was talking about his personal views on same-sex marriage. we have seen what the supreme court has said on all of this. at what point do you think that we as a sotomayor will hear about somebody and say, oh, they are gay? no bigs. >> yeah. i mean, i'm not sure what the answer to that is. i think different pockets of society, it's different for. and i do think when we're talking about celebrities, you know, i mean, as journalists, we need something to write about so we're going to discuss that. but i think that we all know people and they come out to us and we say, oh, no bigs.

let's go out to dinner. so i think the media maybe blows it up a little bit. >> i'm glad we tried to grab some perspective. brandon, thanks very much. i'm brooke baldwin. i'm out of time. turning things over to jake tapper, "the lead" starts right now. when george washington, the father of our country, reflected on our country, he thought some people may get great tire deals on my birthday. and today's juiciest political drama is not here in washington, it's in kentucky. the state's two senators are putting those differences aside, or at least pretending to, as one of them is fighting for his political