tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN February 17, 2014 4:00pm-5:01pm PST
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i think that the absence of leadership from the president of the united states is what fails to educate the american people about the challenge. >> thank you both for being here. the debate will continue online. from the left i'm van jones. >> from the right i'm s.e. cupp. next the picture worth a thousand words. a 4-year-old child alone in the desert, caught on camera alone trying to escape syria. tonight cnn inside syria with an a exclusive look at the human toll. outrage after jurors fail to convict a white man of the shooting death of an unarmed black teen. and a reality show pastor dies from a snake bite. let's go outfront.
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good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front a picture worth a thousand words. sometimes it takes just one image to capture something, to make it come alive. i'm talking about this photo. syrian child just four years old. if you look at u.n. workers. he worked alone carrying possessions in a plastic bag. he is the face of the brutal civil war destroying syria. his name is marwan. this little boy is lucky. the u.n. workers who found him were able to unite him with his family making him unique. one life so small still
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fighting, alive but surely scarred forever. officials estimate there are roughly 2.5 million syrian refuge refugees. as for the death toll the u.n. has stopped counting. the last count in late july more than 100,000. it has been eight months since the white house admitted that bashar al assad crossed the red line by using chemical weapons. at this time the weapons should be gone. only 11% have been destroyed. there has been a loud silence. the world and the united states are running out of time and options. here is secretary of state john kerry. >> they have refused to open up one moment of discussion legitimately about a transition government. it is very clear that bashar al assad is continuing to try to win in the battlefield rather than come to the negotiating table in good faith.
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>> the security situation in syria is out of control. for months we have heard reports about atrocities being carried out, by a rebel group. as you can imagine it is extremely dangerous to report from inside syria. they have shown absolutely no problem in killing. travelled and risked their lives so you could see these images for yourself. this is a cnn exclusive and we want to warn you that some of what you will see is disturbing in this report. >> reporter: this grave has been dug up before, the bodies unidentified, reburied in the same spot. in video filmed at the time gruesome images of the corpses of four men. it is among many graves rebel fighters unearthed after they captured the town from radical fighters who once were their allies. weeks later a family hopes for
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closure. we found a foot and a shoe and a jacket she says. she is with her neighbor. it's his two younger brothers that are missing. one might be here. he just went out to get tomatoes and sugar mohammed recalls, still disbelieving. and his wife wanted socks for their kids. it's the same jacket, mohammed says. the site is next to a former prison run by the islamist prison. its walls lined with bullet holes, some from clashes, others we are told from execution. masked fighters as seen in this rare video posted to youtube used fear to rule. anyone caught filming them, killed. this was the main check point
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leading into. and as part of the terrorer tactics eyewitnesss were telling us they would leave some of the bodies of the people they executed lining the check point so that every single car coming through would be forced to slow down and could not ignore that brutal message. ice s is a group so murs laesz that even al qaeda has distanced itself from it. telling us thatti isis had beheaded one of the main rebels here. they came in the early morning when the market was busy and placed his head on top of the garbage heap. they turned around and told everybody that that would be the fate of anyone who dared speak out against them. their harsh and tolerable rule
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caused other rebel groups to launch an offensive against them earlier this year. had to leave the fronts with the regime and fall back to fight isis to liberate another time. but isis still looms large in syria consolidating the forces and posing the rein of terror. in this video filmed the day after we met mohammed he realizes it is not two but three of his brothers murdered. he thought one of them was in jail. cnn, syria. joining me now is the house majority leader eric cantor. leader canter you have seen the photos out of syria. last fall you said you were going to vote to allow the president to use force in syria. obviously, it never came to that. is now the time?
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>> well, erin, clearly there is a humanitarian catastrophe in syria. there is also a residue of america drawing a red line and failing to live up to its word. i'm very concerned about our alliance on vladimir putin and the u.n. to try to dismantle the chemical weapons in syria. it has been six months, perhaps, since the agreement has materialized and yet assad is still there, the chemical weapons are still there. and there are a lot of people being killed. and frankly, america's reputation as a leader has been severely tarnished. so i believe that we need an america that leads which means an america that will bring together our allies and work to defend the moderates over the extremists in syria. now, this is not without risk and it is not going to be pretty
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or easy. but i hate to think of the future of those moderate fighters in syria or ours if we do not attempt to try and lead and bring our partners together. >> and so when you say there is a risk i guess let me put this on the table point blank. that means you are willing to accept the fact that we may fund some quote, unquote bad guys, that some weapons may get in the hands of some america doesn't want to have happen at all. these are the risks we have to take in your view? we have to accept that that might happen if you do arm the rebels, right? >> well, i think there is no clear cut definitive outcome in any challenge that america takes abroad or policies frankly that we implement at home. i think we have to go and be calculated and understand that america is a force for freedom. i think the american people
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expect an america that leads. we know that the number of foreign fighters flowing into syria exceed the number that were in iraq or afghanistan. and so we know also that the secretary of homeland security as well as the secretary and leaders of the intelligence communities said this montht that foreign fighters represent now a threat to us because they are armed with western pass ports. i think we have seen now and learned the lesseons of history america has to lead. i think liyndon johnson said if you tell a man to go to hell make sure you send them there. finally the scandal of the bridge hurt chris christie in the polls.
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his approval rating dropped from 59% to 39%. do you think chris christie did anything wrong? >> i know there is a lot of attention being given to that issue around the george washington bridge. i can tell you chris christie has been a great leader for the state of new jersey. and, you know, the things that went on there i'm sure he is on top of. look, erin, if the question is about 2016 we have an election in 2014 which we are in the house very focused on. i predict republicans in the house will pick up seats and possibly republicans will take the senate. think about the working middle class right now traveling across that bridge or anywhere else are not focused on electoral politics but focused on what washington can do to get them back to work. >> thank you very much. house must just leader eric
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cantor, appreciate your time. >> thank you. outfront next pope francis fingerprinted and photographed. the pontiff like you have never seen him before. a freak accident at sea. we will tell you how this rogue situation happened. and a controversial end to the murder trial of a white man accused of killing an unarmed black teen. tonight outrage. >> tired of it. [ female announcer ] you know the little song he'll hum as he gets dressed... you know the shirt he'll choose... the wine he'll order. you know him. yet now, after exploring vineyards in the hills of italy, he doesn't order the wine he always orders. he asks to be surprised... and for that moment, he's new to you.
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just like every other world traveler pope francis has a passport which expires. he insisted on paying the fee himself to renew it. he was fingerprinted, photographed and cleared for travel. it is one more example of the pope being like any other person. here is the pope getting a passport. it is something because it is so
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mundane that you don't usually associate with the pomp and circumstance. you would be like does the guy need a passport. >> how would you like to be the tsa agent that pats him down? he doesn't need a passport. i think this is more of a pr move. this pope was on the cover of "time" magazine three times. pope benedict before that. he wasn't getting three covers. and the first time he was on it they sold 70,000 copies. edward snowden was probably most talked about. there is 1.2 billion catholics, i'm sorry christians in the world today. t that is such a huge built in audience. >> so the vatican is willing to
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put the pictures out and tells the story that went with it that one of his counselors had come in and taken the picture and presented it at the argentine consulate. it is not as if it was snuck out. i like on the other side of this the second kind of picture. so it is good public relations. but what i find amazing is that he is saying these things and indicating that the church is open in a lot of ways and the rock star pope. the doctrine of the church has not changed. >> that is going to take a long time to change thousands of years. he softens his tone on gay marriage and abortion and has spoken out more with the whole sex abuse of children scandal. he is at least talking about it. it will take a long time until he can get the word out. >> can't just say i will allow
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women priests and gay marriage. it is not that simple to win people over. >> it is like congress and the senate. he has to go through a bunch of factions within the church. he is getting the word out and using twitter. he has 3.2 million twitter followers. that is 700,000 less than piers morgan. i would have thought he had more. he only follows eight people which is all him in different languages. >> piers morgan i hope you are watching somewhere. >> he wrote me and said make sure you use me in context with the pope. something like that. and now to a very much more serious story but one that has been fascinating me all weekend. a freak accident at sea left an elderly man dead, his widow
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shaken. a massive wave hit the cruise ship broad side. it was a rogue wave sending water crashing through a restaurant. our tom foreman is here to tell us more about how it happened. the ship was heading from spain to uk. are they as rare as we think? >> some of them are as big as eight and nine story buildings. the scary part is they are not as rare as people think. gigantic rogue waves were either nonexistent or rare or more likely the result of overexcited imagination from sailors who encountered very rough seas. now we know the monster waves are much more common than we thought. what do i mean when i say monster wave. we are talking about a wave that is two times bigger than the
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average big waves in the given area of sea. that sounds impossible. so some years back the europeans set out to find out if it was really happening or if it was a myth. they had the max wave projects where they used satellites to study the oceans. they were shocked to find ten monster waves in just three weeks recolleweek s, each more than 80 feet high. ten of these in three weeks. that forever laid to rest the idea that these were once in a lifetime events. >> when you say eight to nine stories, 80 feet tall. so here is the thing. do they just happen? i'm trying to think about the bottom of the sea? you have to be in the middle of a storm or near a storm? or can you have out of the blue an 80-foot wave? >> if you are near storm
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conditions obviously you get bigger waves. part of what is unusual is that they don't have to be in a storm to form. they can appear in relatively mild conditions. three factors can come into play. you can have something called a general broad permanent wave, more of a high swell in the water which can push all of the water above it. what can make this happen? areas where currents are flowing together in different ways, if you have that happen these sort of currents moving underneath here basically slamming into each other in some fashion can force water up. there is a second factor you can talk about here, too. you can have high winds also playing a role. if you have water coming in and winds sweeping in and pushing against that water that can also drive the water up frururther. if you put it all together you wind up with a wave much taller and it can hollow out a trough
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here and any boat caught in it is in for a tough time, bone breaking power crashing in on it. >> i have been fascinated by that. thank you for explaining it. now we know you don't have to only worry about shark attacks. think this guy is the new king of late night? think again. we are going to show you the real power player. and was it an act of faith or foolishness? peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business.
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tonight a new king of late night. we are not talking about jimmy fallon because it will take time to see how it works. the executive producer, lorn michaels who is the king. if that name sounds familiar it is because lorne is the brains and creative mind behind "saturday night live," "night with seth myers" and "30 rock". that brings me to the number, $115,000 supposedly what nbc paid lorne michaels for "snl."
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i don't think it is a drop in the bucket. it is a fraction of what he is worth which is now supposedly $350 million. the senior editor for buzz feed outfront. these numbers are pretty stunning. talk about self made through his talents. personally won 13 emmy's named one of the most influential people in the world. what is it about him? >> no one is more keenly aware of lorne michaels legacy than lorn michaels. every decision is designed to enhance legacy or cement place in history. he does not feel any decision is too small from casting to costumes. everything is brilliantly chosen to make sure the brand continues to be the number one brand in comedy. >> i got to say he is the best argument i have heard from micromanagement. usually they say it is bad to
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delegate. amy poehler and tina fey. he has had best actor in a comedy in andy samburg. it is pretty incredible when you look at his resume. you can't say that all of that is luck by any stretch of the imagination. it has to be a pretty incredible talent. >> absolutely. i think one of the brilliant things lorne has done, you come in a newby. every "snl" cast member gets to write and pitch ideas and that turns them into the people who will shape the future of comedy. you come in and learn from the masters and become the master who teaches the next generation. >> here is the one question i had. he will be in charge of all of nbc's late night which is a very powerful place to be. is that the good thing or will
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all shows feel the same? it is difficult to run programming as one person and not have it all start to feel the same. >> absolutely. the one thing with seth and jimmy is they bring in incredible writing teams. lorne is executive producer but will not be writing scripts. i think you will have the stamp of approval but won't have every word sounding like it comes out of lorne michael's mouth. the white man who fired a gun into an suv of black teens faces serious prison time. so many people feel that he beat the system and that there was a great injustice done. divers tug of war with an octopus, all of it caught on camera. speaking of photos jeanne moos shows us how not to take a selfie. >> i do sometimes when i get into a bus like did i take a
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flight with 202 people on board when the pilot went to the bathroom. the co pilot used a rope to exit from the cockpit window. it was quite the spectacle. the co pilot wanted asylum from ethiopia. we were startled by the repression. this is video we took. the government was so controlling and concerned about unrest that people there have to wait outside the airport to meet friends and family in the rain. why it matters so much to america please visit cnn.com/outfront. and a camera shy octopus. two divers met a giant pacific octopus. the octopus was a very curious octopus. after a few flashes the sea creature wrapped its eight long suckers around the camera and swam away. not sure what it was thinking. maybe it decided it didn't taste
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so good but an octopus can resist the pull of 800 times its body weight. if it wanted to seat the camera or photographer it could have. a controversial verdict. michael dunn convicted of three counts of attempted murder. but jury failed to find him guilty of murdering jordan davis. today dozens of davis supporters gathered in jacksonville to protest. we begin our coverage tonight with martin savage. >> we find the defendant guilty of attempted second degree murder. >> reporter: protesters gathered at the gas station where the shooting occurred. for a second time in six months they have seen an admitted killer not convicted for a black teen's death, first trayvon
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martin, now jordan davis. >> this little man here i love with all my life. i don't want him or no other black child to have to continue to go through this. it has to end and it has to be now. it has to come to an end now. >> reporter: not far away parked his suv hip hop blaring just as davis was doing. loud music has become a symbol of protest. like many in jacksonville think prosecutor failed the black community just as she did he says in the trial of george m zimmerman. >> you think she should resign? >> immediately. >> the night of the verdict protesters marched demanding angela curen's resignation. they are not the only ones unhappy with the outcome. today rebecca dunn told "good
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morning america" she hadn't stopped crying since her father was found guilty on three counts of attempted murder. >> i love him so much. he is my best friend. i can't imagine living life without him. >> reporter: dunn says she has no doubt her father killed 17-year-old jordan davis in self defense. >> he is going to protect himself. >> reporter: says she will retry dunn for murder. dunn could spend the rest of his life in prison but in jacksonville not everyone sees it as justice. as for what comes next for michael dunn the judge says sentencing should come around the end of march. meanwhile the defense attorney has talked about the possibility of an appeal. and then there is the prosecutor who says she intends to retry michael dunn for the murder of jordan davis. that could be relatively soon. the defense says if it happens
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they will ask for a change of venue. >> i want to bring in our analysts. mark and nathalie were on opposite sides of the george zimmerman trial with mark leading the zimmerman defense. nathalie, dunn shot ten times, three as the teen's suv was driving away. three shots at davis alone. were you surprised dunn was not convicted of first degree murder? >> yes, i was. >> you usually have more to say. you sound pretty muted. >> i was surprised like everyone else. this verdict really hurt. we know the kids did not have a gun. we know there was no reason for him to shoot at all. we know he was not feeling threatened because there was no gun. how do we protect our children if we have to protect them from imaginary threats all the time? and from people running to them. this was a mind your business.
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he went to these kids and told them to turn down their radio. >> mark, what is your take on this? do you agree with her in this case? or no? >> i think that this was a frustration for black americans because i think they looked at the dunn case as being an opportunity to sort of get an indictment on the american justice system because of the way it has been treating young black males and missed the opportunity with the dunn case. i understand the frustration. it is presented the same way with the charges to george zimmerman. i think it was less of a reason for that. i think much more of a bad fit. in this case i understand the frustration. i think the jury really thought the case through. i think the three attempted second degree murder charges were appropriate because at the very least the last three shots that dunn fired were never justified under almost any set of circumstances. but i disagree with nathalie a
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little bit in that the faster this case at least from what the state presented did not show a clear cut case of dunn having no reasonable fear whatsoever. i think it is a little more questionable than that. i think the jury was very concerned about whether or not there was the reasonable belief or fear that dunn may have had. >> so let me ask you this. because when we look at this first degree murder charge specifically that dunn was facing regarding jordan davis, i want to note dunn is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. 75 years is what he is facing for the charges he was convicted of with the other three teenagers in the car. so my question to you is, does the state need to go back and try him for first degree murder or should they do a lower charge? is the charge itself whatt matters so much to the black community for justice? >> i think the state should
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charge him for whichever charge they feel they can prove. i think they felt they could prove first degree murdmurder. you have a man who testified that he reached into his glove compartment, unholsterred the gun, shot, got out of his car, repositioned and shot again. that is premeditated murder. >> you think they made the case? mark, no? >> they did not make the case. this is never a first degree murder case. i think if we took away the racial component of it which we should if looking at the elements of the crime, two strangers came up to each other. >> this is a case where michael dunn came up to jordan and he asked him to turn down the music. >> let me finish. they came to each other and we know that in circumstances where the parties don't know each other it is very difficult to
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get to the point in any physical confrontation or verbal confrontation to the level of premeditation necessary under the law in any state for premeditated first degree murderer. this was no more than second degree murder. if dunn did not act properly then that depraved mind is second degree. if he acted in imperfect self defense under all law it is manslaughter. the reason why he should not be retried for first degree is because the state will yet again do something that they can't present to literally the community who they should be looking at which is the black community to say we will charge you with what -- >> this is an issue important to every community. we heard testimony from a witness that said michael dunn
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said i am tired -- something to the fact that i'm going to shut you up. he reached into his glove compartment and made a conscious decision and lied on the stand by saying that he told his girlfriend that he saw a gun. his girlfriend said he never said that to her. i thinkt that there is a case for first degree murder. you and i will just disagree. we will. >> i know obviously there are a lot of questions. we invite your feedback on the case. what do you think of that issue, if a man reaches into the glove compartment and shoots multiple times is that first degree murder or not? the author of harry potter makes an announcement of her next book and we think it is ridiculous. [ male announcer ] how can power consumption in china,
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the verdict for michael dunn. and accusing north korea of atrocities, starving, killings comparable to the nazi area. a kentucky pastor took the snake-bite handling style of preaching all the way to a reality tv show. he is dead tonight of a snake bite after refusing medical treatment. it is all at the top of the hour. >> we are looking forward to that. john mentioned that snake story. it is compelling to imagine how it happened. the snake handling pastor who appeared on "snake salvation" has died. he was bitten on saturday. snake handling was not something funny. it was a key part of his faith.
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>> to me it is as much a commandment from god as thou shall not commit adultery. when i first started i said if i went to a hospital or doctor of a snake bite i would quit church. >> despite the practice being illegal in every state except for west virginia there are more than 120 snake handling churches throughout the southeastern united states. outfront ralph hood joins me now. thanks for taking the time. i'm sorry for your loss. i know you have been friends with the pastor for a long time. how passionate was he about the snake handling? >> he was very passionate. he was a firm believer in this tradition that believes in the gospel of mark that they shall take up serpents. so he was always concerned to be
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obedient to what he understood to be the imparities of god so serpent handling was one of the things he did primarily to be identified as christian. >> when you talk about how important this is. how essential is serpent handling to the religious experience they have? >> it's essential largely because the larger culture has stood in such strong opposition to it, and so in the gospel where it says they shall take up serpents, the other churches gradually abandoned the practice as people began to get bit and maimed. the renn gads churches insisted on continuing the practice, and coming to terms with a religious ritual. that can under certain conditions maim and kill. >> now that he's died of a snake bite. what happens in his church.
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is this something where people will say, you know what, we don't want to do this any more? or does it actually have the opposite effect where they will embrace it even more? >> what do we believe has happened to him? >> they believe that. i believe that the pastor will accept the fact that he died being obedient to god. he's not a question of whether or not you're going to die. it's a question of how you're going to die? and the tradition believes there's no greater way to die than being obedient to god. if you xi being obedient to god, then your salvation is assured, so pastthe pastor is the defini of this. he was bit, he did not seek medical attention. and he is with liz maker.
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his church believes they will be reunited with him in eternity. >> when you reference the bible, it was mark, they shall take up serpents. can you explain to me and for others who may not explaunderst how the literal interpretation becomes pick them up inside the church? >> sure, the verse u.s. mark 16, 17, 18 are the foundation for these believings. it goes on to give the signs, in my name they shall cast doubt in kev ims, shall speak with newtowns, they shall take upper is pents, they shall lay hands upon the sick and they shall recover. these churches practice all of those signs because they beli e believe. and if you went to one of these churches, the thing you would
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argue is first you must believe. you will cast out demons. you will lay hands upon the sick, and you will take upper is pints. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time tonight. >> i appreciate talking to you. now it's time for the outfront outtake. j.k. rowling is ready to release a new book, it's called the silk worm. it's going to hit shelves this summer. if youen watt to buy it, look for the title and not j.k. rowlings name you won't find it. some are excited by the prospect of another galbraith thriller. unlike the last time she used the name, this time we know it's her. we know she's not the only author to use a pseudonym.
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back in the day, women had to write under a plan's name to even sell a book. once the cat is out of the bag, that experiment is over. which is why rowling's decision is so perplexing, with he know it's her. why isn't she publishing the book under her own name, instead of announcing the title and pseudonym under a press release? she's going to make a rare public appearance to promote the book in july. she's made so many characters creatively, at least she could have thought of a new name for herself. still to come, jeanne moos. instead of paying too much for an ipad, i got the surface 2. first of all, it comes with office and outlook. then, with free skype calls to phones in over 60 countries, i can talk to my cousins any time. and then, i got 200 gigs of cloud storage -- free -- so i can get my photos and stuff almost anywhere. i
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. all eyes are on the winter olympic games this week, one eye in particular is stealing the show. jeanne moos has more. >> what's wrong with this picture? it could happen to any of us. >> my mom, my grandmother, my aunt would all pull something like that. >> she thought her point and click camera was pointed at the olympic hockey rink where slovenia and russia were battling it out. instead of shooting hockey, she's looking into the lens and shooting her own eyeball. >> that's sad. not my generation. >> the eyeball has become the second most famous eye at the sochi olympics. second only to bob costas' pinkeye. he's now back at work, he had to endure pirate jokes and comparisons to t s terminator. his eye infection inspired a flip book. since it started out in his left
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eye, of course, that eye had to have its own twitter account, naturally with a twitter handle fcostaslefteye. and since it spread to both eyes, both eyes had to tweet. now the same goes for the eyeball shot captured by russian tv at the hockey game. who hasn't taken an accidental selfy. >> i tried to take a video of my sister and it ended up being one of me. >> how did you look? >>. >> i do it sometimes i'm taking pictures and i'm like, did i just take a picture of myself? >> but hey you don't always end up on the right end. you may miss the moment. this is a dad trying to capture his daughter being proposed to. in the age of the selfie it's
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all about me, me, me. or in the case of the accidental selfie, it's eye, eye, eye. >> jeanne moos, cnn, new york. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. tonight the jury could not decide whether killing an unarmed teenager was murder or self-defense. almost everyone is talking about what they think of the case. we have quite a conversation. all sides, you can decide for yourself. also tonight, how an airline pilot hijacked his own flight. why he took it, where he took it, and what happens to him now. and later, we take you inside a church that puts faith to the test by handling poisonous
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