>> another florida man kills a florida teenager over loud >> the victim was trayvon martin, you know that? >> no, i certainly wasn't a victim when i was having my head crashed into the concrete and beaten. >> a victim. >> another florida man kills a florida teenager over loud music. is this about race? nancy grace is here and she's fired up. are you ready for some football? >> how about some racism, bullying, and was it just usual behavior in the locker room?

it's president's day, what better day to ask how president obama's doing. george zimmerman still claiming he's a victim in the trayvon martin case. joining me now is nancy grace, on hln every night. before we start, let me play exactly what george zimmerman said about him as a victim here. >> i certainly wasn't a victim when i was having my head bashed into the concrete and my nose broken and beaten. i wouldn't say i was not a victim. and i try not to think about that too much, because i -- there's nothing i can do about being a victim or not being a victim. >> that was to cnn's chris cuomo this morning. nancy, i watched that as it

unfolded this morning on cnn. the whole idea of a banner headline with george zimmerman, headline, i was a victim. what do you make of it? >> well, it's very, very disturbing. and frankly, he's got a lot of nerve, trayvon martin is dead. at least zimmerman is going to get out and do his artwork online and sell it for 100 grand and his groupies, and boxing matches for charity. while trayvon mart season never getting out of his coffin. zimmerman needs to go away and stop rubbing salt in my wound. >> i want to play another clip here. this is when zimmerman talks about the night itself and his feelings on what he should have done. >> i think about that night. and think my life would be tremendously easier if i had stayed home.

>> what struck me was this narcissism of all this. >> really, all he's thinking about is his own life, him being a victim, when trayvon martin, a 17-year-old unarmed teenager is dead. >> i'm sure that in his own mind he feels victimized, you would expect at this point for him to be able to show enough class, enough dignity to not try to seek that manned el and mandate. and talk more about the harm and the pain and suffering of the trayvon martin family, when you don't see that, and you see the other side, whether it'sed arrest or the other stuff. you feel like, not only did the guy get away with, he doesn't seem to have learned very much. that's what seems to hurt people who care about this situation, hopefully the country learned something, but apparently zimmerman did not. >> wait, you expected zimmerman to learn something from this? >> one can pray.

>> there are reams and reams and reams of when he wanted to catch a black youth. he did it, he shot him dead. i don't expect him to learn anything. >> ben ferguson, can you construct for me any form of rational defense for the way zimmerman is currently behaving? >> well, i do think he's a victim of his own stupidity at this point. i mean, this happens to you, and you could say, look, i'm a victim of the obsession of the spotlight on this case. you might say, i'll never be able to live without worrying that someone's going to try to come after me, but that is the extent of it, i don't understand why he doesn't realize just go away. just walk away from the cameras. you don't have to do the interviews, you don't have to sit down and tell your story. and you're not -- your story is not a sad story. you're not some sort of victim from what happened after the fact. now, that night, to be honest with you, no one really wants to hear about you becoming a victim regardless of the fight, regardless of the possible screams for help.

regardless of the facts of the case. >> i don't think he wants to live in -- >> he won't walk away from this. >> before i come back to you nancy, i got into a twitter exchange with george zimmerman after i tweeted you're not a victim george zimmerman, you're someone who killed a 17-year-old boy. and that's indisputably what he is, whether you agree with the final verdict or not, everyone knows and he accepts he killed a boy who it turned out was unarmed. he replied this, god bless you, you will be in my prayers which is a theme -- only god can judge me, it's between me and him, now. that kind of religious defense. when i come to some of the other tweets in a moment, him relying on his religion on his faith, on god that he's only really now answerable to god, what did you make of that? >> well, i really don't think

god and jesus reallien watt to be dragged into george zimmerman's tweeting with you. but since you brought it up, i think he's in a position where he doesn't know what to say back. and you were talking about how somebody was, about him suffering, because he can't live in anonymity, he doesn't want anonymity, he wants this type of attention, he's living off of it, he's making money off of it, his last picture he traced, i think he stole it from ap. he made $100,000 off of not being anonymous, that's blood money. the more we talk about him, and put him on tv, the more money he makes off killing trayvon martin, that's what i'm saying. >> okay. let me turn back to you. van jones, this exchange became quite an illuminating exchange about the kind of personality george zimmerman has, i said, well, since you're citing god,

george zimmerman, try this, thou shalt not kill, ex-douse 20:13. to which he said, when godless, i will see you in court. you can't shred and delete e-mails fast enough amigo. anyone who doesn't go along with his way of looking at this he can sue. which i thought was an extraordinarily deluded way of looking at this. >> when people go through things, they do become more religious. i don't challenge him for that, i think that's a good thing, maybe the only good thing i've heard, he's trying to do something along those lines. that's a good thing. the problem is, you don't have to engage. and then when you start engaging, and then you -- someone says something you don't like, you think you can sue them, take them to court, you think you can do something, that's a problem. somebody does something you don't like, you're going to -- whether it's your girlfriend,

trayvon martin, you're going to get them, you're going to do something. it's the same pattern, the problem is, you put this stuff on full display, and everyone can see it, and you wonder why people don't want to have anything to do with it. >> after he shot trayvon martin, did he find god and before he pulled a knife on his girlfriend? pulling god or christ out of your back pocket and slinging them around. i don't think that's a good thing. >> i don't think it's slinging them around. you're making the case for him as in saying that he's a victim. because you're saying he's a killer. well, a court said it was self-defense. so he's not -- >> let me finish. >> if you are george zimmerman, do you want to be labelled as a -- do you want to be labelled as a killer when the court said that it was self-defense?

you obviously don't like the opinion of the court, piers, you don't either. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> i'm not -- >> you keep referring to it as if he's a murderer. >> i'm not saying anything about that court decision. >> i made my feelings clear, that's irrelevant. i'm disputing the fact that you don't think he's a killer. >> he's a murderer, and when you act as if he went out there and just started shooting at people or walked up and started killing someone cold blooded. >> what do you think happened, the boy was unarmed, just like with michael dunn, he killed an unarmed youth. i don't know if you've ever -- >> nancy, nancy, nancy -- >> -- tried cases or dealt with the legal system, but to me, that's open and shut. someone is dead, that's a murder. >> you're totally leaving out the core part of what the jury -- and thank goodness you weren't on that jury, they looked at the facts and you don't want to deal with the fact that there was -- >> look around yourself, are you in a court of law?

you're in a tv studio. we're not -- >> so are you. >> let me say something here, i want to say something here. >> yeah, i sure am. >> first of all, he certainly is a killer, the question is whether he is a murderer, the court said he's not a murderer, they said he was justified with self-defense, using a law that a lot of people have objections to. the reality is, he is a killer, he did take a life, and he has to live with that, my problem with the whole situation is, increasingly, you're seeing him when he's not in the news for doing something dangerous toward a member -- his girlfriend, whoever it is, his ex-wife, he's jumping into the media for no reason at all. i think that is a part of the problem here. >> well, van. >> hen watted to be a big shot out there, he wanted to be this superhero, and now he has nothing going for him but to keep relitigating this. that's the problem. >> it's the tone he adopts when he adopts this. another tweet i sent me, piersy you will get what you deserve. treating the whole thing as a

bit of a joke. underlying it, a certain reaction airy tone. >> a menacing tone against someone he can't control. >> no matter what, everything was not allowed to get in front of that jury, juries are not perfect, they're just the best thing we've got. >> you have this threatening menacing tone against you, against anybody who doesn't agree with him. and yet people want to pretend this guy -- >> let's take a short break, i want to carry on this in another block, we have the michael dunn case, almost an identical scenario, really of a man finding himself in a conflict with a 17-year-old unarmed young black boy. and he ends up killing him. and he has not been convicted of murder. let's get to the verdict after the break. first, on president's day, my conversation with the men who hold the higher office in the united states. >> day after tomorrow, my wife,

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i feel michael dunn has a minimum of 20 years on one count. another 20 years on another count. another minimum 20 years on another count. he's got to learn that he must be remorseful for the killing of my son. >> the father of jordan davis talking about michael dunn. very similar parallels here. a 17-year-old young black teenager minding his own business, playing a bit of music a little too loudly. and an older man coming over, poking his nose in, where he hadn't been asked to, making false assumptions, and shooting him dead and not being convicted of murder. what's going on here? is it a florida issue? or a cultural issue?

what is it? >> well, a lot of people suggest it's a florida issue. when you look at tot mom and zimmerman, and now this i get it. but the thing about florida, they are the only state that have cameras in the courtroom no questions asked. so we see what's happening in the courtroom. at least zimmerman had one band aid on the back of his head. remember that band aid he had on the back of his head? michael dunn didn't even have that. he admitted to police that he may have imagined that the teen, jordan davis had a gun. there was no gun. there was never a gun. and the jury verdict is very, very disturbing. now many people will say, you know what, just take what you got, it's 60 to 90 years guaranteed.

i as a crime victim myself, i don't agree with that, i think the case regarding this boy, jorden davis needs to be retried for murder one. >> here are my problems with this. if dunn and zimmerman had not been carrying guns, then these two young boys who were unarmed as it turned out, regardless of any fear they had been felt by the people shooting the guns, they would be alive, right? there's a gun accessibility -- >> are you back on gun control again? if it weren't for the british, we won the have to have gun to protect ourselves. the british were running through all of our homes trying to take our stuff. we're protected under the constitution. it's not right for a brit to jump up and start talking to us about gun control. >> you will be unsurprised to hear i couldn't disagree with you more. it comes down to a brit because you can't sort out your own gun

problems. let's not talk about gun control, because nancy's made her statement, and i have reposted. let's talk about racial profiling or the fear element in here of an older man coming face to face with a black teenager and fearing he was going to be shot and using that as justification to kill that teenager dead. >> i think there's two cases. one is, you had an altercation, you had zimmerman who called police, this dunn case is totally different. not only does he shoot someone he unloads on a car fleeing the scene. and he didn't have to do that. the other issue is, he didn't call the police. which means he knew he probably did something incredibly wrong and was afraid that someone may have been shot or killed because of his actions. if you're in the right, you don't have a problem calling

911, there's a difference there zimmerman did call 911, he didn't just have a band aid as nancy said. he had blood coming from his nose and there was a struggle on the ground. as a victim of crime you should know that doesn't matter. >> i'd like to see what you do if someone was beating you up and you're on the ground, nancy? what are you going to get up? >> i wouldn't shoot an unarmed person. he knew he wasn't supposed to be out with a gun, that was a rule of neighborhood watch. he goes out, looking to find somebody, and he does. what a surprise. >> van jones. the reality, neither michael dunn nor george zimmerman had poked their nose into other people's business without any good reason, they would both those boys be alive. that's what my problem is. is there a racial element to

these two stories which links them? >> i think there is. these stories just chill my blood, they're heartbreaking, very hard, you don't know how you're supposed to raise your kids. neither one of these boys who are dead, they're not involved in gangs or any of that stuff. most americans now are on dr. king's side. do you think that white people are better than black people, they will tell you no they can pass a lie detector test. that's a huge victory given 400 years where that wasn't true. the problem is it's the sub conscious mind that's doing the work here. you can show pictures of african-american boys and young men they don't register with their faces. even though 85% of the white people who are killed are actually killed by white people,

white people are afraid of black people. statistically, that's insane. there's a stereo tape that gets in there, we need to upgrade our loss to take advantage of what we know about the brain science. >> i have to leave it there, because you guys have to go. watch nancy grace nightly on hln at 8:00 p.m. figures just out yesterday, showed that the total number of gun murders in england and wales for 2012, '13 for the year, 29. >> just as you said earlier, mind your own business. >> right, nancy, i'm going to put my nose into your business for a moment. >> mind your own business. be glad i'm not packing heat, piers. >> 29 gun murders in one calendar year, the lowest since 1980. that's 34 years. >> you know what, piers. >> i've spent my whole legal

career fighting gun violence. so you're preaching to the choir. >> let me say one thing, i do believe -- >> i spent my whole legal career fighting violence. >> in florida, i believe there should be a mind your own business law. the stand your ground law should be repealed, there should be a mind your own business law. stop going up to kids and challenging them and trying to police their music or whatever. mind your own business law. i'm in favor of that. >> thank you both for joining me. it was good to have you all. thank you very much. >> when we come back, president obama's dropping approval rating, does it matter? and the newest member of the cnn family talking about that. another president on president's day. listen to what george w. bush said about his wounded warriors on the show. it's important to me, because i want to stay connected to the veteran community. i'm not going to be a very public person. it's a rare interview for me. and yet i'm -- and, therefore,

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we'll talk about all that, my newest cnn colleague. welcome to you. you're in the chair tonight. >> it's good to have you here. >> good to have you on board. >> you were talking during the break about this michael dunn case. >> right. >> and the zimmerman case. we have these two cases not dissimilar, where people have got into scrapes and the up shot is, two 17-year-old kids have been shot dead. >> i find dunn's account to be incredible. i say that, because i'm in a firefight and i have clean hands and i did perceive there to be a weapon that i'm responding to. the first thing i do is call the police. he never called the cops, i can't get over that, but as i look at the verdict, what occurs to me, is that that was a jury that was prepared to put the hammer down. i'm not sure about the zimmerman jury, this jury was prepared to do justice as they saw it. as evidenced by the fact that there were three guilty verdicts in that case. so it makes me wonder, did the prosecution overcharge. should this have been a

manslaughter case. >> nancy grace gave me a few jibes about gun control there. my issue about the gun thing in all these cases, this kind of dispute, if it happened in england or australia or japan or wherever, it will be settled with fists or whatever. >> right. >> it would never be settled with guns. >> right. >> how do you explain the fact that so many americans now, their instant reaction, whether it's a movie theater, walking along with a kid like trayvon martin coming toward you, or whether it's michael dunn with these kids in the car making noise, the reaction is always to shoot? how do you change that? >> i think the nra has been too successful, they've been too successful in so far as this has now become the culture. i believe that 99.5% of their membership are probably law abiding and not going to use that weapon. >> i agree. >> they've created a climate where there are just too many

weapons, i say that as a firearm owner. you look at what happened in the tampa movie theater and it makes the point you were illustrating. >> i find that an awful story. he's texting to see if his kid is okay. >> yeah. >> let's turn to politics. does it matter that obama's approval ratings are a bit down. does every president turn a blind eye to this kind of poll? does it have an impact on them? >> it has an impact for us, we love talking about it. i don't think it has an impact for him day too day. the numbers will continue to ebb and flow, and we'll be sitting here many, many years after he's left office debating the obama legacy, and it will rise and fall based on the affordable care act. we don't know which way it's going to go. >> outside of obama care, i've always been a fan of obama care, i thought the way it was implemented was a disaster. he can come through that, but i thought, what else do you

consider -- what would constitute a great legacy. half of the electorate has drawn a line in the sand. no matter which way this thing goes, they're not going to give him credit for it. a case can be made that we skirted financial hardship, that we really could have taken this thing in a downward direction. the dow has turned around, unemployment is at 6.5%. the deficit is a share of gdp has declined and home prices are on the rise. there's an economic funk out there, because i don't know that people appreciate that which already has turned a corner, and he hasn't convinced them. that's a failure on his part. he's a great advocate when he's running for office. he hasn't been a great advocate

for himself as the president. >> let's turn to hillary clinton. this is what mitt romney told me about the press and hillary. >> the times when he was president were by and large positive economic times for the country. on the other end he embarrassed the nation, he breached his responsibility as an adult, and as a leader. in his relationship, and i think that's very unfortunate. i don't think that's hillary clinton's to explain. she has her own record, her own vision for where she would take the country and that's something which will be debated extensively during the 2016 campaign. >> see, i agree -- i thought that was a measured way of dealing with it, i agree with him. i don't see why hillary clinton if she runs, should be judged the entire period of the campaign on what her husband did 16 years ago. >> well, if i were hillary clinton, i would be hoping that all of those charges would be raised, because all it does is make her that much more of a sympathetic figure. i can't understand why rand paul

continues to talk about it, unless his objective is to raise money. the clintons are just fabulous in terms of raising money on the right, but beyond that, there's no net plus for the republicans. >> if she runs, who's she going to face, if i asked you three or four months ago, we may have said, chris christie's the man. >> i still may say that. >> you think he can come through? >> it dpernds if there's anything, if there's one shred of evidence, one witness, one e-mail out there that contradicts what he said in that marathon press conference, then he's finished, otherwise, you know the way the media functions, we love building him up, tearing him down, it's time to be built back up again, if there were a strong field. if there were someone among those republican competitors who was a likely successor meaning as the front-runner, i would feel differently. >> marco rubio, ted cruz, i don't see it in the cards for any of them. >> what about rand paul? >> i don't think that rand paul can lay claim to the christie constituency, i think the christie constituency is whatever's left of moderates

within the gop. there aren't too many of them there. >> could rand paul rally the call base of the party perhaps better than chris chrisdy? >> i don't think so. i think that rand paul's problem is the problem faced by his father. his father always made a lot of sense to me on foreign policy issues, meaning, we should stay out of a lot of these foreign entanglements. the issue is that father paul was always someone who appealed in college dormitories but could never go mainstream. i'm not sure that rand paul could do that which ron was never able to do. >> let's turn to the ladies. >> michelle obama is ranked among the top five first ladies in a survey questioning scholars. one was roosevelt, dolly madison, and then michelle obama. what do we think of michelle obama? >> well, thank god you're not asking me about abigail adams many i think michelle obama, those numbers are reflective of

the fact that we look at the way they're raising the daughters. there hasn't been a hint of anything embarrassing, relative to the obama family unit. i think she deserves and is afforded great credit for that. she also gets the attributes that the husband gets, she doesn't get the liabilities, people aren't holding her accountable for obama care if they don't appreciate the way in which that was rolled out. >> i met her once, she was utterly delightful. completely warm, friendly and charming, i thought, that's great, she's actually how i hoped she would be. >> there was a charicature created of her during the campaign, she's been able to break free of hers than he has. >> i think that's true. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back. we're awed by the we're awed by the responsibility on my shoulders. last night we spent there, i had not been to sleep for three

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relationship with john. there's an nfl investigation, and they will get to the bottom of all that. this is about me and john. and this is about me carrying for this guy and loving this guy like a brother. >> the dolphins former guard talking to fox sports' jay glazer. the dolphins suspended incognito. they found harassment, racism, bullying and homophobia in the dolphins locker room. much of it directed at martin and the team. and another young man identified as only player a. joining me now, brett tess letter, the agent for player a now identified as andrew mcdonald. thank you for joining me. i've done a lot on this story in the last few months. i never had a huge amount of sympathy for jonathan martin, because i thought, these guys are huge blochs in a sporting locker room, you know, surely they can't be the kind of bullying we are talking about. i read the details of this report, i have to say, i found

it horrifying, and i revised my opinion. am i wrong to do that. >> no, you're not wrong whatsoever. people are entitled to feel how they feel about it. different guys are wired different ways, and while i'm not here to speak on behalf of jonathan martin or richie incognito, andrew asked me to come on here because people are talking about this regardless. it's better for me to be here to tell his side of the story as opposed to having it told for us. >> right, and i'm going to talk to kenny zuckerman after you, actually. let's talk about this player. andrew mcdonald, known as blair a. when you read the details in the report about him, a lot of it is bordering on outright abuse, harassment, homophobia, even though there's no suggestion

about sexuality i'm aware of. how did your client say -- was he pleased? is his name in this report? what does he think? >> obviously not at all pleased, piers. i don't think anybody wants to be associated with the things that are contained within this report. but it kind of became known that he was player a because richie incognito's attorney released a text a couple weeks ago that jonathan martin had sent to richie that included andrew mcdonald in it, and when the report came out, it reiterated that story, and so people are able to put two and two together. so naturally, no, nobody wants to be associated with something like this, especially a young player like andrew who is trying to move ahead. he's been with another organization for about a half a year, and obviously he's done a nice job there throughout the last year, they signed him to a new contract for 2014. so yeah, it's one of those deals

where he didn't ask for this, he certainly didn't want to be this rust into the public eye, andrew's a low key guy who would rather go about his business and let football do the talking. >> it's interesting to me in the report, dolphins offensive line coach was aware of the running joke that player a was gay open on at least one occasion he participated in the taunting. the coach gave the offensive lineman a gift bag. the gifts included inflatable female dolls, except player a who received a male blowup doll. don't even kash about the sexuality of andrew mcdonald. it's up to him if he ever wants to tell anybody. what i thought was interesting was the juxtaposition of this report saying that. and now the college football player has to go into this environment where this is deemed to be perfectly acceptable behavior. >> no, you're correct, piers. i think the reason why coach

turner gave andrew that gag gift is because he probably felt comfortable enough with their relationship, and the reason why a guy like andrew was able to kind of take it in stride is because he is confident in his sexuality, and not that that's really the point here, but as far as it related to andrew, he was able to let it roll off his back, as a young player, you really need to remain focused at the task at hand and in the case of andrew, that was just going out every day and doing what he could despite whatever was going on around him, and, you know, andrew's a mentally tough guy who was able to fight through it, and apparently as we've seen, you know, for someone like jonathan martin, it appears it became too much. >> do you think that this may draw a berline in the sand about where banter begins and ends? and genuine harassment and abuse and bullying starts?

>> i absolutely do, piers. if anything good is going to come from this, it's going to be that. usually for any major change to come, sometimes it takes an extreme instance like what's gone down here, but obviously workplace hazing, things like this have gone on in many different arenas, you know, not just the national football league, it goes on in the military, the police academy, fire academy, celebrity apprentice, you know, it goes on many different places. >> tell me about it. >> exactly. but again it's just all about perspective, and in the case of a guy like andrew mcdonald, just to show the kind of character he is, you know, he still, despite all this feels terrible about the way this is affected coach turner's reputation, he feels like coach turner is the greatest coach that he's ever played for. and somebody who he had a very, very close relationship with. >> thank you very much indeed for joining me. send my best for andrew mcdonald

who has had to deal with all the fallout, i'm sure it's been a difficult time for him. i appreciate you joining me. >> our pleasure, piers. thank you. when we come back, a man who knows jonathan martin better than anyone else. his agent joins me after the break.

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do you think it will have an affect on people when they see this report as it's come out? >> definitely. i think it will be a really positive situation moving forward. and i think teams and players are going to look at this, and you know, second guess or think about things before they do it. >> what does jonathan feel about this now, now that the dust has settled and the emotions have calmed down and he has had a chance to reflect on it all? >> piers, i'm not going to get into that. i think jonathan is just happy this is behind him and he can focus on playing football. he has called me two or three times in the last couple weeks and emphasized how much better he feels and how excited he is to get on the field in 2014. that's the issue here and for

him to get back on the field is going to be really good for everyone, including society. >> we have seen a few cases recently where players' emotions and behavior have been analyzed by everybody, is there room for that behavior in the nfl. where will the lines be drawn about how you take these guys who on the pitch you want to be often murderous barbarians, and away from the pitch to be polite, gentle people. >> well, i mean, that's a great question. having played division i college football, it took me a while to really understand that times are changing now, and society's changing now and we have to treat things different and we have to be much more positive and work as a unit toward keeping everyone, no matter who

you are, from any race or color or creed, everyone has to be accepted. and we have to make that environment safe. >> what is the plan for jonathan? is he ready to play for the team? have you had offers from other teams? >> right now the miami dolphins have his rights. we cannot talk to other teams until they give us permission. this week we will see what they want out of this deal. but i expect it will be a substantial amount of teams that are interested in a young, athletic offensive tackle. >> what about richie incognito? he has been tweeting away saying you couldn't define me in 144 years, let alone 144 pages, mr. wells. he quit twitter. i want everyone to know i'm in good spirits and look forward to playing again one day. should richie incognito be given another chance? >> you know, that's not for me to say.

and i don't want to judge him. i'm only concerned about jonathan and what happens to other youth or young athletes around the country and how they deal with it. whatever happens to richie, happens to rich y. the report speaks for itself. >> should sports boss, coaches, managers, chief executives, so on, should they be taking more responsibility about behavioral issues? has there simply been not enough attention over the years, allowing the players to get the wrong idea about where lines and boundaries are drawn? >> well, i think, this is a -- this will change a lot of things. i think that we saw all these big companies, whether it's toyota, nabisco, they changed over the years and i think the nfl is too. and i think we're going to see a lot of positive changes in nfl

locker rooms. >> how would you describe, finally, jonathan's state of mind right now? do you feel like he's over it? has he got to a place -- you suggest head might with in a happier place. but is he ready to play professional football at the highest level do you think? >> as you know i'm not a health professional but he sounds great. he sounds positive and i think he just wants to get on the field and let it go and see where he stands. he has been working hard, going to stanford, going to class with some of the football players and working out in the weight room with the strength coach. he sounds great. and i think that 2014 will be a positive year for him. >> richie incognito says i apologize for acting like a big baby for the last few days. i don't think the last few days is what i'd say. anyway, kenny it's good to talk you. i would love to talk to

jonathan. the report made awful reading for anyone who doubted the scale of what had gone out. i put myself in that category and apologize if i understated the kind of thing he had been through. we would love to talk to him. thank you very much. >> thanks, piers. thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back. ] [beep] [clicks mouse] nice office. how you doing? good. automatic discounts the moment you sign up. ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time,

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